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Alright, perhaps someone can make some sense of this for me.

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story_348001946.html


(CBS) PLAINFIELD, Ill. A 13-year-old Plainfield boy and his parents are stunned and outraged after the teen found a gun in school and turned it in to authorities, who then expelled him.

CBS 2's Dana Kozlov reports Ryan Morgan's parents and supporters attended the school board meeting Wednesday evening to try to fight the expulsion. They believe the punishment, and the subsequent alternative school option, are not the proper responses to a mistake made by a teenage boy.

Ryan Morgan, 13, says he pocketed a pellet gun he and a friend found in their school's bathroom to keep people safe. Morgan's mother says a short time later Morgan gave the gun to the Troy Middle School assistant principal.

"I told him maybe that wasn't the best decision, to remove that gun, but it did lead to you finding the culprit, he was arrested and to put my son in alternative school -- he has no behavior problems," Audrey Morgan, Ryan's mother, said.

The Morgans say there was no reasoning with the principal or with the school superintendent.

"He said, 'The board can give your son full two-year expulsion, I'm asking you not to go before them,'" Audrey Morgan said.

They went anyway, saying they had nothing to lose, only to see the meeting minutes already recommend expulsion.

Roy Morgan says he can't accept that, but accepts his son's decision.

"He said 'I'm going to turn this in' and you know what, I commend my son for making that decision. It was the right decision," he said.

School board officials issued a statement Wednesday night saying due to confidentiality reasons they can't discuss the specifics of this case, but that "purposeful possession of weapons is a serious offense and deserves careful consideration by the administration and the school board."


First, I have to say:

What the hell?

Second, well that is all really. The kid found the gun, the kid turned it in, they found out whom the gun belonged to... and they expelled the kid who found the gun? Can someone really make some sense of the issue for me? The kid didn't own the gun, he didn't bring it in to the school, he brought it to the Vice Principle...

I really am not comprehending this at all.

This is what happens when reactionist fucks get too much power.

I have to agree. What the hell?

American schools seem really, really stupid... is this reasonably accurate?

I really am not comprehending this at all.

Neither am I. If there isn't more to the story then it is PC run amuck. If the kid did what he said he did, the school system is damn well sending a wrong message to all the other kids in the district. :mad:

Had a similar experience in Middle School

It's because in America we are afraid of kids touching a gun, even to hand it in, perhaps that will go on a muderous rampage(lol pellet gun rampage).

He was expelled for touching it.

I have to agree. What the hell?

American schools seem really, really stupid... is this reasonably accurate?

You know, I went to a small rural school, and I have a hard to conceiving something like this would have actually happened there. I would figure the officials would be more... intelligent than that.

That being said, I wouldn't see such a problem if the kid were indefinately suspended while an investigation were done into the source of the matter(As it would be suspicious), but the actual owner of the gun was found, the kid had nothing to do with it, and was expelled? There is no way I can conceive how such a thing could actually happen.

i think he did it the wrong way around, found a teacher first and told them where he had found it.

But he should in no way be punished for doing "the right thing", it does set a terrible example to other young kids.

Only thing that should have happend is for him to be reminded not to pick the things up if he sees them lieing around, the friend he was with could easily have been shot, if he didn't hurt himself with it.



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It's because in America we are afraid of kids touching a gun, even to hand it in, perhaps that will go on a muderous rampage(lol pellet gun rampage).

He was expelled for touching it.

If so, that is the most idiotic thing to ever occur. Sure, the kid should have thought a bit more about getting a faculty member to deal with the issue, instead of grabbing it himself, but come on. It was a minor oversight in judgement that does not deserve expulsion.

i think he did it the wrong way around, found a teacher first and told them where he had found it.

But he should in no way be punished for doing "the right thing", it does set a terrible example to other young kids.

Only thing that should have happend is for him to be reminded not to pick the things up if he sees them lieing around, the friend he was with could easily have been shot, if he didn't hurt himself with it.



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Indeed. He should have been lectured on the importance of not touching such things, however punishment for trying to do the right thing? Sends a really poor message to people. Some kids might get the idea that if they even say anything, they could be in line for punishment.

I have to agree. What the hell?

American schools seem really, really stupid... is this reasonably accurate?

That statement is accurate for all of our leaders.

The Democrats, of course, haven't had a chance to prove it yet, but they will.

Remember kids: If you see a potentially slightly-dangerous toy sitting around, of the kind that could sting if you shot someone with it, DON'T pick it up! DON'T hand it in! Just walk away and forget about it! You'll be glad you did!

I mock the daftness, but if this happened in Britain I wouldn't be surprised if a Police Armed Response Unit rolled up. *Sigh*, the world's gone mad...

I am a big fan of lawyers when I read something like this. the kids parents need to take legal action.

Sue for the difference in cost between public and the new school?

This isn't the first time I've heard this kind of story. A lot of schools have "zero tolerance" policies that make weapons possession, regardless of circumstance, an automatic suspension or expel. They were passed after the Columbine shootings, but most have been removed since instances like this cropped up. I'm a little surprised at the school board, but school board members in my area were usually stupid bureaucrats, so I'm not that surprised.

This isn't the first time I've heard this kind of story. A lot of schools have "zero tolerance" policies that make weapons possession, regardless of circumstance, an automatic suspension or expel. They were passed after the Columbine shootings, but most have been removed since instances like this cropped up. I'm a little surprised at the school board, but school board members in my area were usually stupid bureaucrats, so I'm not that surprised.

"Zero tolerance" is a nice idea, but fails in reality, especially under cases such as this. I understand WHY some places have it, however that doesn't mean it's such a great idea.

As for the school board, you are quite right. They usually are completely out of touch with the needs of the school.

I can certainly understand why they would react to this level. Considering the Columbine shootings and the Platte Canyon tragedy--among others--people are extremely jittery about guns in schools.

But under no circumstances should the kid who found the gun and turned it in be expelled for doing the right thing. He had nothing to do with bringing it into the school building. Indeed, he performed a service by turning it in when he found it. What if a teacher had found it instead? Would that teacher be fired? I wouldn't fire said teacher. So why expell the kid?

I wish school boards were as tough on the workshy teachers as they are on the kids.

I can certainly understand why they would react to this level. Considering the Columbine shootings and the Platte Canyon tragedy--among others--people are extremely jittery about guns in schools.

But under no circumstances should the kid who found the gun and turned it in be expelled for doing the right thing. He had nothing to do with bringing it into the school building. Indeed, he performed a service by turning it in when he found it. What if a teacher had found it instead? Would that teacher be fired? I wouldn't fire said teacher. So why expell the kid?

Because there is no sense left in the US schools. There is no funding left for that.

Because the teacher is so much older and wiser. Honestly I think people are too hyped up over everything around here.

Which is easier for the teacher/principal? To say that the gun was found and turned in, meaning someone unknown brought a firearm into the school, or to say that the student was caught with a firearm?

Its the same as the TSA. Not actually doing anything, but making desperate attempts to appear like they are doing something.

Media-attention whores?

Remember kids: If you see a potentially slightly-dangerous toy sitting around, of the kind that could sting if you shot someone with it, DON'T pick it up! DON'T hand it in! Just walk away and forget about it! You'll be glad you did!

My thoughts exactly. I'm sure the school board wouldn't mind if he tackled the next kid who picked up the gun though.

I mock the daftness, but if this happened in Britain I wouldn't be surprised if a Police Armed Response Unit rolled up. *Sigh*, the world's gone mad...

Not mad enough I say. We can always imprison him for illegal weapon possession. THEN, and only then, can we be truly insane.

No, make him a political prosoner for sympathysing with the terrorists and having the intent of hijacking a school bus. THEN we are insane.

It's a bloody pellet gun! If he found an Ak-47 in the bathroom and decided to pick it up and carry it to the office, it would've been a different story, but its a bloody pellet gun. What is he going to do? Play airsoft in the hallway?

He will cause someone seriously moderate discomfort.

Le monde is le screwed...! :)

Ok, those school officials were stupid with a capital STOOP.

Ok, those school officials were stupid with a capital STOOP.

Or maybe, they're just teaching students how to survive in the world as criminals.

"Remember kids. The law is NOT your friend. If you find a potentially dangerous weapon, don't give it to the law. Keep it for yourself."

Had a similar experience in my elementary school.

Two days before the end of school, somebody thrashed the bathroom. Having been taught by my parents that I was supposed to tell somebody in charge about this sort of thing, I went to the principal (since I had no idea who else to go to) and said "Mr. (asshole), somebody marked up the bathroom and stuffed toilet paper into all the toilets and theres water all over the floor."
Since nobody else could be found, I got the blame was was expelled.

Fourtunatly we were moving at the time, so I got to laugh at the bastard.

You know, back when I was in high school, there was a student that brought in a REAL firearm for a class project/demonstration. There was no big deal or special arrangements made (he rode the bus), nobody died, and the student wasn't expelled/disciplined (I don't know what kind of grade he got though, as he wasn't in my class).

We've come a long way in 15 years, when someone who's trying to do the right thing gets expelled. :rolleyes:

This islamofascist sympathiser communist gay terrorist clearly is an unlawful combatant with this weapon, and must be sent to an offshore detention facility to be systematically beaten, humiliated and tortured while being kept in solitary confinement for days at a time. It's the only way to protect America.

American schools seem really, really stupid... is this reasonably accurate?

YES!

Had a similar experience in Middle School
My friend did. In 6th grade someone found this notebook with lists of teachers to kill and a bunch of pretty gory stuff, and my friend got blamed for it by some idiots who didn't even know who really did it (turned out to be a kid with behavior problems). :rolleyes:

Everyone worries too much about elementary and high schools. The middle schools in America are by far the WORST and nobody does a THING about it!

That's what caused most of my problems with the MS I just escaped in June. I would have gladly gotten myself suspended just to get out of there. Trust me, ALL MIDDLE SCHOOLS IN AMERICA REALLY ARE THIS FREAKING RETARDED.

guys, stfu about all of America being retarded. If you don't go there, don't talk about it. Yet, this is indeed really weird. I can understand why they might do that, but yeah, it's not fair that he tries to do something right and yet boom expelled.

guys, stfu about all of America being retarded. If you don't go there, don't talk about it. Yet, this is indeed really weird. I can understand why they might do that, but yeah, it's not fair that he tries to do something right and yet boom expelled.

I live in America. All American middle schools are retarded.

Some, maybe? All, no.

guys, stfu about all of America being retarded. If you don't go there, don't talk about it. Yet, this is indeed really weird. I can understand why they might do that, but yeah, it's not fair that he tries to do something right and yet boom expelled.
I also live in America, and when I was in school I neither saw nor heard of any evidence of neuronic activity in any school administrators!

This latest story just tells me that instead of having merely "no" neuronic activity, they have now somehow managed the once-thought-impossible feat of staying alive while having a negative number of functional brain cells!

Remember kids: If you see a potentially slightly-dangerous toy sitting around, of the kind that could sting if you shot someone with it, DON'T pick it up! DON'T hand it in! Just walk away and forget about it! You'll be glad you did!

Walking away from problems and leaving them to other people seems to fit in nicely with most of adult society, so they might as well learn young.

Ugh.

I finished high school 20 years ago, so my experience is prolly outdated. I grew up in South Louisiana. During Duck season we would bring shotguns to school in our cars and before school (early in the morning) we would walk out to the lake behind our school, sit in duck blinds we had build over the summer. We kept our kills in the school lunchroom freezer. We also fished during lunch break and after school. I carried a .38 loaded with snake shot and no one said a word, come to think of it. What a diffeent world we live in now. I am not sure I would want my kids doing what I did, not because I don't trust them, but because I don't trust YOUR kids. Guess that is what it's all about, at the heart of things.

I live in America. All American middle schools are retarded.

Emphasis on all.

I went to one of the best public school systems in the state of Ohio, and my middle school experience sucked. I had teachers who made it more tolerable, but I also had teachers who made it worse.

Of course, the worst bit was being punished by an assistant principal about a week before he was discovered filching money from the school. That was truly amazing.

Remember these important lessons in life: If you ever find a weapon, never, never, ever turn it over to those in power. THEY WILL FUCK UP YOUR LIFE.

Remember these important lessons in life: If you ever find a weapon, never, never, ever turn it over to those in power. THEY WILL FUCK UP YOUR LIFE.

Even simpler message: Don't do the right thing. The hand that feeds always gets bitten. The one message that can be seen both in American middle schools, American corporate world and American politics.

The correct thing to teach children about finding a weapon is DO NOT TOUCH IT. If it were a real firearm it could have gone badly.

So it was a pellet gun. I have a pellet gun that at a distance and without seeing the muzzle clearly is indistinguishable from a real 1911 .45 . It would even fool an uninitiated adult.

The student shouldn't have picked it up, he could have guarded it and raised hell until an adult was present.

I agree that the punishment is ridiculous and is another testament of the senselessness that abounds...They should have sent him to a firearms safety course! ;)

This isn't the first time I've heard this kind of story. A lot of schools have "zero tolerance" policies that make weapons possession, regardless of circumstance, an automatic suspension or expel. They were passed after the Columbine shootings, but most have been removed since instances like this cropped up. Sad thing is NONE of these stupid laws will stop another Columbine from happening.
How long did they have those guns hidden? 15 seconds? Lot of good that law would have done there. :rolleyes: It's just to make the moronic soccer moms happy.

Even simpler message: Don't do the right thing. The hand that feeds always gets bitten. The one message that can be seen both in American middle schools, American corporate world and American politics.

QFT

*Gives Siap a cookie*

Sad thing is NONE of these stupid laws will stop another Columbine from happening.
How long did they have those guns hidden? 15 seconds? Lot of good that law would have done there. :rolleyes: It's just to make the moronic soccer moms happy.

And that's ignoring the fact that if a kid chooses to go Columbine, he's not exactly going to worry about being expelled.

ALL MIDDLE SCHOOLS IN AMERICA REALLY ARE THIS FREAKING RETARDED.

QFT. Darknovae rocks.

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I have to agree. What the hell?

American schools seem really, really stupid... is this reasonably accurate?

Yes. Yes it is.

However, the intial reaction from the principal wasn't that outlandish. In certain school districts near where I live (Los Angeles), gang member students have used roughly the same tactic the boy here used to get rid of their own weapon when they're about to get turned in, and pin the gun on their rivals or someone they just don't like. Principals have to be suspicious. Admittedly, this is an extreme case, and I'm not saying what's going on is right, but still there is just a SMALL bit of precedent here.

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So, the verdict on this thread is: American middle schools suck. If you are not the teacher's pet, you don't matter and therefore you may be expelled for any reason.

Now we may fluffle-spam. :)

So, the verdict on this thread is: American middle schools suck. If you are not the teacher's pet, you don't matter and therefore you may be expelled for any reason.

Now we may fluffle-spam. :)

That seems to be the case.

Oh, i almost forgot.

Orange Soda for everyone! :)

So, the verdict on this thread is: American middle schools suck. If you are not the teacher's pet, you don't matter and therefore you may be expelled for any reason.

Now we may fluffle-spam. :)

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Should sue them for every dime they're worth.

Yes. Yes it is.

However, the intial reaction from the principal wasn't that outlandish. In certain school districts near where I live (Los Angeles), gang member students have used roughly the same tactic the boy here used to get rid of their own weapon when they're about to get turned in, and pin the gun on their rivals or someone they just don't like. Principals have to be suspicious. Admittedly, this is an extreme case, and I'm not saying what's going on is right, but still there is just a SMALL bit of precedent here.

Indeed, the initial reaction was probably justified. However, the school board's decision just seems not only idiotic, but completely uncalled for. They knew the facts as they made their decision... and yet they expelled him. It makes absolutely no sense to go to that extreme for such a small occurrance.

there should be a poll. It should ask if you think american middle schools are retarded?

Indeed, the initial reaction was probably justified. However, the school board's decision just seems not only idiotic, but completely uncalled for. They knew the facts as they made their decision... and yet they expelled him. It makes absolutely no sense to go to that extreme for such a small occurrance.

I agree. Maybe for an initial reaction, I could see the suspicion. But after they do indeed determine that it wasn't his and they know his it is? That's just plane idiocy.

Am I the only one who thinks this No Tolerance BS will eventually piss someone off enough that they'll end up shooting up the school?

Am I the only one who thinks this No Tolerance BS will eventually piss someone off enough that they'll end up shooting up the school?

Don't do it, Wilgrove! Think of the people who would miss you!

Don't do it, Wilgrove! Think of the people who would miss you!

Nah I'm not in school now so I don't have any reasons.

Nah I'm not in school now so I don't have any reasons.

Put down the gun! This doesn't need to end in bloodshed! We can work it out!

But seriously, I can't see a kid shooting up his school because of No-Tolerance policies. I'd have thought the social alienation, bullying and excessive pressure to succeed would push him further.

So, the verdict on this thread is: American middle schools suck. If you are not the teacher's pet, you don't matter and therefore you may be expelled for any reason.

Now we may fluffle-spam. :)
uh actually no. You can not state that "American middle schools are retarded," since that would be a huge over generalization. The Federal government does not dictate the procedures, the school's curriculum, and other fine details of schools around the United States. Most of that is taken care by the individual towns (Or counties depending on where you live), and then they have guidance and funding from the state, and lastly they get some guidance and funding from the federal government.

For example here in Massachusetts, where I live, I go to probably one of the best high schools in the USA. But my school does not represent the educational institutions of our nation, it only shows one specific town. So as such a case as this one, it seems the the specific town, and not the federal government, has royally fucked up when it comes to its school system. As stated, my school does not represent the USA's educational institutions, and nor does this school do anymore of a role of that representation.

Jesus...some people need to learn how the system works before you criticize it.

I absolutely detest our culture sometimes.

I absolutely detest our culture sometimes.
Opposed to the culture of other places in this world? I would have to say we're a hell of a lot better off then most other countries in this world.

I kind of get their point; they would have wanted the kid to leave the gun there and just tell them where it is. However, what he did is by no means something that should be punished by anything more than a stern lecture on why things need to be done a certain way.

uh actually no. You can not state that "American middle schools are retarded," since that would be a huge over generalization. The Federal government does not dictate the procedures, the school's curriculum, and other fine details of schools around the United States. Most of that is taken care by the individual towns (Or counties depending on where you live), and then they have guidance and funding from the state, and lastly they get some guidance and funding from the federal government.

For example here in Massachusetts, where I live, I go to probably one of the best high schools in the USA. But my school does not represent the educational institutions of our nation, it only shows one specific town. So as such a case as this one, it seems the the specific town, and not the federal government, has royally fucked up when it comes to its school system. As stated, my school does not represent the USA's educational institutions, and nor does this school do anymore of a role of that representation.

Jesus...some people need to learn how the system works before you criticize it.

I know that the nation's middle schools aren't run by the federal government. I'm not a total idiot. What I'm saying is, adults have blatantly and grossly misremembered their own middle/high/elemenary school days so in middle school, puberty finally kicks in and everything starts going wrong and no adult seems smart enough to do anything. I was bullied most of my middle school career, I tried speaking up about the bullying and other things and nobody listened, because I was simply another middle-schooler who was trying to get attention or suffering from the loneliness of impending adolescence.

That, and I wasn't the teacher's pet.

So many middle schools in the USA seem screwed up. Why? They are. Nobody gives a flying damn about middle schools.

Am I the only one who thinks this No Tolerance BS will eventually piss someone off enough that they'll end up shooting up the school?

I'd set it on fire.

Though not my high school, my old middle school.

I agree that Middle Schools in America are pretty messed up. I got suspended for having a pair of scissors. I got caught with the "potentially deadly weapon" during lunch time, where I was working on a project or something for art class. I got dragged into the office by the bitch hall monitor, made to sit in a heavily trafficed hallway getting curious stares (because I never got in trouble) until the assistant principal dragged me into her office and bitched me out.

Then she called my mom, who promptly bitched the assistant principal out for scaring her. She thought the call was because I got hurt or something. Anyway, the took my scissors and said a parent would have to pick them up or I could reclaim them when I turned 18. I suspect that's just how they save money on office supplies. *grumbles*

The whole experience was rather humiliating for me and I'm still bitter. I can only imagine how this kid feels. Way to punish the good guy.

I agree that Middle Schools in America are pretty messed up. I got suspended for having a pair of scissors. I got caught with the "potentially deadly weapon" during lunch time, where I was working on a project or something for art class. I got dragged into the office by the bitch hall monitor, made to sit in a heavily trafficed hallway getting curious stares (because I never got in trouble) until the assistant principal dragged me into her office and bitched me out.

Then she called my mom, who promptly bitched the assistant principal out for scaring her. She thought the call was because I got hurt or something. Anyway, the took my scissors and said a parent would have to pick them up or I could reclaim them when I turned 18. I suspect that's just how they save money on office supplies. *grumbles*

The whole experience was rather humiliating for me and I'm still bitter. I can only imagine how this kid feels. Way to punish the good guy.
:rolleyes: You weren't the teacher's pet, were you?

I swear, middle schools are out to get you, and if you don't suck up to all the authority figures, you're screwed.

state run high schools in Australia are just as shit as the ones in the US
here we just don't bring guns to school,give it time

state run high schools in Australia are just as shit as the ones in the US
here we just don't bring guns to school,give it time

Somehow I get the feeling that all the English-speaking countries are bendign to the USA's will..............

Ah ha ha! :rolleyes:

Somehow I get the feeling that all the English-speaking countries are bendign to the USA's will..............

Ah ha ha! :rolleyes:

got that right

Come to Britain. We actually use our classrooms for teaching. It's a good system, perhaps American schools should try adopting it.

Come to Britain. We actually use our classrooms for teaching. It's a good system, perhaps American schools should try adopting it.

We should, but it will likely never happen. I don't remember much about British schools, but I'm sure that it'll brign a lot of BS from both ends of the Party. :(

:rolleyes: You weren't the teacher's pet, were you?

I swear, middle schools are out to get you, and if you don't suck up to all the authority figures, you're screwed.
I was more the quiet kid in the corner that never bothered anyone and didn't like to be bothered. =P

I was more the quiet kid in the corner that never bothered anyone and didn't like to be bothered. =P

Same here.

Look how I turned out.

I was more the quiet kid in the corner that never bothered anyone and didn't like to be bothered. =P

i was the kid teachers place on too hard to teach pile

there should be a poll. It should ask if you think american middle schools are retarded?

And we all know they are.

Same here.

Look how I turned out.

You seem to have turned out alright despite the bullying. I might even go so far as to say the bullying improved you in some areas.

However, much more bullying and even you would have snapped.

I'm genuinely shocked that the state of education in America's schools is so bad that people with lower levels of intelligence than ordinary uneducated persons are running them. I feel sorry for Americans. No wonder so many people assume most Americans are stupid when such people are running supposed 'educational' institutes.

We should, but it will likely never happen. I don't remember much about British schools, but I'm sure that it'll brign a lot of BS from both ends of the Party. :(

Ouch. The Party. With all their goodthinkfuls, duckspeakers, and blackwhites.

*Man whispers in ear*

Oh, wait. It's not that party?

*Man whispers in ear*

Oh, but it is similar? OK...

You seem to have turned out alright despite the bullying. I might even go so far as to say the bullying improved you in some areas.

However, much more bullying and even you would have snapped.

i have snapped three times

i have snapped three times

Oh...

How many deaths/injuries?

Ha ha, silly public school students! Private schools pwn j00. Sure, they're expensive, but then we get... uh, more emphasis on sport and weekly chapel services. Damn. :headbang:

surely I can't be the only cynic wondering if this would have turned out the same if the kid was White.

surely I can't be the only cynic wondering if this would have turned out the same if the kid was White.

THE KID WASN"T WHITE???!!!

RACISM, RACISM, RACISM!!!!!!!

Maybe, I dunno...

Oh...

How many deaths/injuries?

one person i all most killed (high school)
two doors (at home)

and i now hate the person my mum going out with
thanks to him last night i now feel i must join the army

You seem to have turned out alright despite the bullying. I might even go so far as to say the bullying improved you in some areas.

However, much more bullying and even you would have snapped.

Hmm, yeah, if I wasn't bullied I wouldn't be some pallid acne-ridden geek who stays inside most of the time and so therefore would have never discovered NSG :p

Guess bullying isn't all bad, but yeah, too much will make one snap.

If I ever have to go back to my old middle school with all the current 8th graders, you'll hear about it without me making a thread about it.

surely I can't be the only cynic wondering if this would have turned out the same if the kid was White.

I was wondering that. I think the parents should sue for racism if that's possible in the US.

Hmm, yeah, if I wasn't bullied I wouldn't be some pallid acne-ridden geek who stays inside most of the time and so therefore would have never discovered NSG :p

Guess bullying isn't all bad, but yeah, too much will make one snap.

If I ever have to go back to my old middle school with all the current 8th graders, you'll hear about it without me making a thread about it.

be hard to make a thread were you be :(

This is too stupid for words.

looks like more of this "zero tolerance" nonsense.

state run high schools in Australia are just as shit as the ones in the US
here we just don't bring guns to school,give it time
Actually no...you're wrong. Most of these high schools that you hear about, with all their problems, are usually large cities where there is a lot of crime and other problems. Opposed to the high schools which are moderately large towns, usually are some of the best since they have the funding, and the town doesn't have to waste over half it's budget on police to try and control the crime rate.

Yes, Multi, you could file a civil law suit for discrimination. I'm sure the ACLU does ALL the time (Those bastards piss me off sometimes), and surely they would love another case like this.

Hmm, yeah, if I wasn't bullied I wouldn't be some pallid acne-ridden geek who stays inside most of the time and so therefore would have never discovered NSG :p

Well, that I wouldn't have ben able to guess.

Guess bullying isn't all bad, but yeah, too much will make one snap.

A lack of bullying leaves one unprepared for the 'real world'.

That being said, a lot of it (like in your case) isn't that good.

If I ever have to go back to my old middle school with all the current 8th graders, you'll hear about it without me making a thread about it.

Hey, you ARE popular! :p

Just kidding. That is REALLy not good...

Actually no...you're wrong. Most of these high schools that you hear about, with all their problems, are usually large cities where there is a lot of crime and other problems. Opposed to the high schools which are moderately large towns, usually are some of the best since they have the funding, and the town doesn't have to waste over half it's budget on police to try and control the crime rate.

Yes, Multi, you could file a civil law suit for discrimination. I'm sure the ACLU does ALL the time (Those bastards piss me off sometimes), and surely they would love another case like this.

i mean the way of life in them, bullying ,teachers and so on

Wow, so even when you obey the law you're still considered a criminal. I hope that boy's situation is solved, and this doesn't affect his future prospects. They (school board) are not trying to fix the real problem, how did the gun get through security (if the school had one), and how can they prevent this from happening again, instead of scapegoating the innocent boy who probably saved students and staffs when he decided to take the dangerous weapon out the washroom and inform it to the principle. That’s why you hear gun shootings occurring all over America, because staffs are not focusing on the real perpetrators or would-be perpetrators. I wonder how students will react from this event, what happens if another student finds a gun in his/her school’s washroom, will he or she report it to the principle or keep their mouth shut and move on.

Well, that I wouldn't have ben able to guess. Are you being sarcasmic?
A lack of bullying leaves one unprepared for the 'real world'.

That being said, a lot of it (like in your case) isn't that good. Exactly.
Hey, you ARE popular! :p

Just kidding. That is REALLy not good... Yeah... they're the ones who kept making fun of my acne.... :mad:

If the story is accurate, I personally feel that it's too much to expel a kid for turning the gun in, but schools are really fidgetty when it comes to guns on school property and most if not all have a pretty strict "zero-tolerance" policy. The school may be sideing on the side of caution.

That article only gives the one side of the story so it's possible that there is more to the story than we know.

THE KID WASN"T WHITE???!!!

RACISM, RACISM, RACISM!!!!!!!

Maybe, I dunno...

That's Absurd.

If the story is accurate, I personally feel that it's too much to expel a kid for turning the gun in, but schools are really fidgetty when it comes to guns on school property and most if not all have a pretty strict "zero-tolerance" policy. The school may be sideing on the side of caution.

That article only gives the one side of the story so it's possible that there is more to the story than we know.

I admire them for taking action, but expelling the kid is far too extreme. Apparently he's not a teacher's pet, or else he'd still be in school and the school authorities would have actually listened. That's the way American middle schools work.

I admire them for taking action, but expelling the kid is far too extreme. Apparently he's not a teacher's pet, or else he'd still be in school and the school authorities would have actually listened. That's the way American middle schools work.

I agree but I put into consideration the seemingly growing dangers of kids bringung guns to school. It appears, atleast to me, that it's becoming more of fad or the cool thing to do is to take a weapon to school and show it off to your friends. I understand, from the schools situation and them being on a very slippery slope as to what to do, why this decision could have been a very nervous and cautious decision.

The kid probably should have went straight to the assistant principal first to report it. He could have checked to see if it was loaded and if it was could have unloaded it and thrown the pellets out then went to the principal.

I do think it's an excessive punishment if the story is accurate.

looks like more of this "zero tolerance" nonsense.

I wouldn't consider this "more of this 'zero tolerance' nonsense" not after seeing what seems to be an upward trend of bringing weapons to school for what reasons. Definately not nonsense.

I agree but I put into consideration the seemingly growing dangers of kids bringung guns to school. It appears, atleast to me, that it's becoming more of fad or the cool thing to do is to take a weapon to school and show it off to your friends. I understand, from the schools situation and them being on a very slippery slope as to what to do, why this decision could have been a very nervous and cautious decision.

The kid probably should have went straight to the assistant principal first to report it. He could have checked to see if it was loaded and if it was could have unloaded it and thrown the pellets out then went to the principal.

I do think it's an excessive punishment if the story is accurate.
The dangers could be growing, but IMO it's not much. It's not really a fad or it would be a lot more common. A lot of kids who bring guns to school already have problems, the fad seems to be dealing with the kids by expelling all who come into contact with a wepon at school. Zero-tolerance may seem like a good idea, but when you think about it, nobody listens to the kids involved unless they're teacher's pets.

This isn't the first time I've heard this kind of story. A lot of schools have "zero tolerance" policies that make weapons possession, regardless of circumstance, an automatic suspension or expel. They were passed after the Columbine shootings, but most have been removed since instances like this cropped up. I'm a little surprised at the school board, but school board members in my area were usually stupid bureaucrats, so I'm not that surprised.

same what i say is fuck those bastards :upyours: i mean its not like hes gonna go out and shoot evreyone or join a gang or somin :mp5:

That's Absurd.

it isnt absurd alot of people are racist.......like that bastard on my bus...:mad:

I wouldn't consider this "more of this 'zero tolerance' nonsense" not after seeing what seems to be an upward trend of bringing weapons to school for what reasons. Definately not nonsense.

"Zero-Tolerance" is just a way of saying "Zero Thought Applied". It's a pure and simple, incredibly stupid way of not actually dealing with a situation - because that would require intelligence and actually listening to someone.

Policies normally need to be evaluated for a few months or even years before they can be considered to have succeeded or failed. Anything labelled "Zero-Tolerance" can be shitcanned from day one.