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What's your view on these ideas for changing the country...

Multiland
15-12-2006, 23:20
...well for changing things about the country if I was Prime Minister of England anyway? Note: Where a number has a letter next to it (eg. '7a'), the letter means 'amendment'. They're just SOME ideas. Please provide reasons for responses, thanks.

SEXUAL VIOLENCE

1. Introduce a mandatory life sentence for rape
2. Create a sexual violence awareness campaign (start with one for female victims, then one for male victims)
3. Relax the rules that need to be met before a sexual violence case can go to trial:
(a) No need for two collaborating pieces of evidence
(b) All cases to go to trial, unless complainant is apparent serial
false-accusation-maker and there is no evidence
4. Make it easier for victims to report sexual violence and to have a fair trial:
(a) Sexual history to be disallowed (except for previous false accusations)
(b) Jury to be made up of 50% men and 50% women
(c) Foreman of the jury to be female in sexual violence against females cases, male in sexual violence against males cases
(d) Specialist prosecutors to be used
(e) CPS must prosecute if a law may have been broken – they may only NOT prosecute when a person has been charged with something that is not a crime
(f) Provide training for a senior member of each police force (who is then to pass it on to the rest of the team) about dealing with sexual violence attacks, particularly male sexual violence

YOUTH-RELATED CRIMES

5. Throwing bricks at a bus will result first in a caution plus a formal warning about what will happen it the incident or a similar incident reoccurs, then one week in a police cell – both to be coupled with a “Knowledge and Action” campaign (KAC) to find out why teenagers are behaving badly and to take action: KAC Headquarters to be informed of all brick-throwing-at-buses-related arrests.
6. Build more police cells
7. Build more prisons
7a. Riding/driving a legally-held motor vehicle in an illegal manner will result in immediate confiscation of the vehicle
7b. Intimidation to result in a caution then community service then a few days in a police cell
7c. Antisocial Behaviour Orders (‘ASBO’s) to be scrapped – they perhaps work brilliantly for the area where they are enforced, but the problem is effectively just moved on to a different area – could be moved on to YOUR area. They are also seen as worthy of ‘street cred’


HEALTH

8. Consult with the Royal College of Nursing and with individual nurses
9. Provide more funding specifically allocated for specific expenditure (e.g. medical supplies, beds, etc.)
10. Get rid of targets
11. Speak to individual patients about the quality of care received
12. Re-open hospitals, refurbish them
12a Make further decisions based on the above consultations

ENVIRONMENT

13. Set a specific date for companies to only be using as much packaging as is necessary to seal a product and to maintain the freshness of the product
14. ALL forms of energy to be seriously considered, but only the safest environmentally-friendly method will be used – this almost certainly rules out nuclear due to safety issues, but it will still be seriously considered
15. More bicycle lanes to be created
16. All bicycles lanes, where possible, to be separate from bus lanes
17. Recycling bins with clear information to be introduced into every major city

ANIMAL WELFARE

18. The Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (RSPCA) will be required to investigate every report of animal suffering, unless there is good evidence that the report is a hoax
19. The RSPCA must prosecute where a person is discovered to be guilty (or likely to be guilty) of causing animal suffering
20. Maximum sentence for causing animal suffering to be 10 years imprisonment (plus lifetime ban on keeping animals, plus £10,000 fine) and minimum sentence for causing severe suffering to be 5 years plus lifetime ban on keeping animals plus £500 fine. Breach of a ban to result in 2 years imprisonment.
21. RSPCA and Royal Society for the Protection of Birds (RSPB) and other animal welfare organisations to work more closely together
22. Law to make killing of a healthy animal illegal (currently seems to be legal for certain organisations to kill a healthy animal), save for food which is in common consumption in the UK (beef, pork, etc.)
23. Extra space required for farm animals
24. Sufficient access to the outside environment required for farm animals, provided in such a way that animals do not have to compete to gain access
25. Illegal to inject animals with drugs for any reason other than genuine health reasons
26. Foxhunting to be made completely illegal
27. Vegetarian and vegan awareness campaigns, in that order

SOCIAL WELFARE

28. Social Services management to be retrained (who are then to pass the training onto lower-level staff)
29. Social Services around the country must share important information relating to cases of harm and potential cases of harm (in a confidential manner), so long as it does not compromise the safe carrying out of their duties
30. Each care home and foster home to have at least 5 random spontaneous inspections each year, and must include private talks with residents (children / elderly people)
31. Police forces around the country must share important information relating to cases of harm and potential cases of harm (in a confidential manner), so long as it does not compromise the safe carrying out of their duties
32. Police, Social Services, and National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC) to work together
33. More specialist beds to be created for under-16s runaways, plus clear advertising of such places
34. More beds for homeless people in general, plus clear advertising of assistance available to homeless people
35. More beds for those suffering from, or who are at risk from domestic violence – males and females.
36. More gender-specific support for male victims of domestic violence / sexual violence
37. More gender specific support for female victims of sexual violence

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FUNDING: Funding for 27 to be sourced solely from personal income, not taxpayers.

Funding for other numbers to be sourced from:
• Money saved by not introducing an I.D. Card scheme (there is one in Spain, it didn’t prevent the Madrid train attack and there is no real evidence that an I.D. Card does anything more than allows a government to spy on law-abiding citizens – people have sneaked into the UK without I.D., an I.D. Card scheme won’t prevent people sneaking in – and someone who wants to blow people up does not need idea, they simply set off a bomb in a street)
• Lotto Money
• Money diverted from agriculture spending
• Money diverted from defence spending without affecting the UK’s security by bringing troops back from places where they are no longer needed
• Money gained from recovering the majority of the millions of unpaid fines that exist
• Money that is already specifically allocated for each of the above categories – see http://budget2006.treasury.gov.uk/page_09.html
• Personal income

Personal Income would hopefully be massive amounts by the time these ideas would be likely to be implemented - eg. from book sales, from well-paid job, from business enterprise, etc.
Saint-Newly
15-12-2006, 23:25
5. Throwing bricks at a bus will result first in a caution plus a formal warning about what will happen it the incident or a similar incident reoccurs, then one week in a police cell – both to be coupled with a “Knowledge and Action” campaign (KAC) to find out why teenagers are behaving badly and to take action: KAC Headquarters to be informed of all brick-throwing-at-buses-related arrests.


Would there be a sliding scale, depending on the size and designation of the bus? Like, less for a park-and-ride or minibus, more for a double-decker?
Swilatia
15-12-2006, 23:41
why are you so UK-centric?
Saint-Newly
15-12-2006, 23:45
why are you so UK-centric?

Typically, a government only sets laws for its own country ;)
New Domici
15-12-2006, 23:45
...well for changing things about the country if I was Prime Minister of England anyway? Note: Where a number has a letter next to it (eg. '7a'), the letter means 'amendment'. They're just SOME ideas. Please provide reasons for responses, thanks.

SEXUAL VIOLENCE

1. Introduce a mandatory life sentence for rape

Bad idea. Judges flexibility during sentencing is a) what a judge is for, b) one of the ways that these guys are put behind bars. If a defendent facing a charge that his lawyer believes is "beatable" then he might be persuaded to plea to a lesser sentence, getting him off the streets when he might otherwise have gone free to commit more violence.


2. Create a sexual violence awareness campaign (start with one for female victims, then one for male victims)

Such campaigns exist. But even if they didn't, why not both at once? Is rape of little boys any worse than rape of women?

3. Relax the rules that need to be met before a sexual violence case can go to trial:
(a) No need for two collaborating pieces of evidence
(b) All cases to go to trial, unless complainant is apparent serial
false-accusation-maker and there is no evidence

No. Very bad idea. The foundation our system of justice is that we are innocent until proven guilty. When you lower the standards just because a particular crime is particularly distasteful bad things happen. Just look at the molestation scare of the 80's. If a high burden of proof must be met before a trial for murder may proceed then why should it be less for sexual violence. Or, for that matter, drugs.

4. Make it easier for victims to report sexual violence and to have a fair trial:
(a) Sexual history to be disallowed (except for previous false accusations)
(b) Jury to be made up of 50% men and 50% women
(c) Foreman of the jury to be female in sexual violence against females cases, male in sexual violence against males cases
What you're asking for here is a guarantee of a jury prejudiced in favor of guilt. That's not justice. Justice is not served by making it easier for the prosecution to get a conviction. The job is difficult for a reason. It keeps innocent people out of jail.
(d) Specialist prosecutors to be used
(e) CPS must prosecute if a law may have been broken – they may only NOT prosecute when a person has been charged with something that is not a crime
Is this a big problem? I don't hear a lot about people being charged with not breaking laws.

(f) Provide training for a senior member of each police force (who is then to pass it on to the rest of the team) about dealing with sexual violence attacks, particularly male sexual violence

I'd be surprised if a lot of police forces don't already have such a system. However it should have a correlary introduced in prisons. Just because you've been convicted of a crime doesn't mean it's OK to leave you to be raped by people who have commited worse ones.

YOUTH-RELATED CRIMES

5. Throwing bricks at a bus will result first in a caution plus a formal warning about what will happen it the incident or a similar incident reoccurs, then one week in a police cell – both to be coupled with a “Knowledge and Action” campaign (KAC) to find out why teenagers are behaving badly and to take action: KAC Headquarters to be informed of all brick-throwing-at-buses-related arrests.
Is bricks and busses really deserving of a category of crimes? How is it not simply aggrevated assault?

6. Build more police cells
Definitly.
7. Build more prisons
Cells/prisons. Tomaito/tomahto.
7a. Riding/driving a legally-held motor vehicle in an illegal manner will result in immediate confiscation of the vehicle
Even if there are other members of your family who are also entitled to use that vehicle? Even the IRS doesn't hold a wife responsible for her husbands crimes.
7b. Intimidation to result in a caution then community service then a few days in a police cell
Way too vague, and practically unenforceable. Some people feel intimidated around people who are very big, even if they are the proverbial Gentle Giants. No one would believe that intimidation has been perpetrated by a Joe Pesci type, who could nonetheless be quite intimidating in the wrong mood. And don't even get me started on large black men in the presence of small white women.

7c. Antisocial Behaviour Orders (‘ASBO’s) to be scrapped – they perhaps work brilliantly for the area where they are enforced, but the problem is effectively just moved on to a different area – could be moved on to YOUR area. They are also seen as worthy of ‘street cred’

You mean that the justice system should not recognize psychiatric medical disorders? I think that they're underrated as it is.

My ADD's kicking in. I'm leaving it at that.
The blessed Chris
15-12-2006, 23:48
hmmm.....

-privatise the NHS and prison service
- re-institute capital punishment for murder, attempted murder, rape, attempted suicide bombing and most other terror related activities. Other, more moderate crimes, can be punishable by capital punishment after a succession of re-offences, with the quantity greater for minor offences.
- reduce benefits to a vastly augmented sum for the elderly, and those with prohibitive disabilities.
- state adoption and abortion schemes to prclude and control teenage and irresponsible pregnancy.
- remove ourselves from the EU.
- cease all immigration, and evict as many immigrants as is feasible. Please note that attendant to this would be a legal obligation to work for British citizens unable to support themselves, thus precluding the "they do jobs nobody else will argument".
- given the fiscal capital freed by the privatisation and sale of the NHS, the minimum wage would be greatly raised to compensate.
- a re-institution of grammar school education, an academic curriculum outlined by Oxbridge academics, and compulsory cessation of academic education at 16 for those deficient, or pursuing a more vocational path.

Anything else is beyond my mind at present, but ask questions by all means.
Yossarian Lives
15-12-2006, 23:50
...well for changing things about the country if I was Prime Minister of England anyway? Note: Where a number has a letter next to it (eg. '7a'), the letter means 'amendment'. They're just SOME ideas. Please provide reasons for responses, thanks.

SEXUAL VIOLENCE

1. Introduce a mandatory life sentence for rape
2. Create a sexual violence awareness campaign (start with one for female victims, then one for male victims)
3. Relax the rules that need to be met before a sexual violence case can go to trial:
(a) No need for two collaborating pieces of evidence
(b) All cases to go to trial, unless complainant is apparent serial
false-accusation-maker and there is no evidence
4. Make it easier for victims to report sexual violence and to have a fair trial:
(a) Sexual history to be disallowed (except for previous false accusations)
(b) Jury to be made up of 50% men and 50% women
(c) Foreman of the jury to be female in sexual violence against females cases, male in sexual violence against males cases
(d) Specialist prosecutors to be used
(e) CPS must prosecute if a law may have been broken – they may only NOT prosecute when a person has been charged with something that is not a crime
(f) Provide training for a senior member of each police force (who is then to pass it on to the rest of the team) about dealing with sexual violence attacks, particularly male sexual violence

I'm a bit leery about making it easier for people to be charged with rape, especially if you're compulsorily preventing the CPS from using common sense n their prosecutions. Seems like you're asking for more malicious accusations.And requiring that the foreman be the same gender as the victim means you're effectively asking them to emotionally connect with the victim rather than merely assessing the evidence, which doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

YOUTH-RELATED CRIMES

5. Throwing bricks at a bus will result first in a caution plus a formal warning about what will happen it the incident or a similar incident reoccurs, then one week in a police cell – both to be coupled with a “Knowledge and Action” campaign (KAC) to find out why teenagers are behaving badly and to take action: KAC Headquarters to be informed of all brick-throwing-at-buses-related arrests.
6. Build more police cells
7. Build more prisons
7a. Riding/driving a legally-held motor vehicle in an illegal manner will result in immediate confiscation of the vehicle
7b. Intimidation to result in a caution then community service then a few days in a police cell
7c. Antisocial Behaviour Orders (‘ASBO’s) to be scrapped – they perhaps work brilliantly for the area where they are enforced, but the problem is effectively just moved on to a different area – could be moved on to YOUR area. They are also seen as worthy of ‘street cred’

I like Asbos. They allow the police to criminalise virtually anything without worrying about precedent. But you're right that they're not enforced properly. But that's the issue the police face. It would be a relatively simple matter to lock up all those rowdy teans, expensive, but simple. But all it would do is teach them how to sponge of the state in prison, teach them further criminal wheezes when they're locked up and give them a further excuse not to work when they get out "oooh noone will employ an ex-con"


HEALTH

8. Consult with the Royal College of Nursing and with individual nurses
9. Provide more funding specifically allocated for specific expenditure (e.g. medical supplies, beds, etc.)
10. Get rid of targets
11. Speak to individual patients about the quality of care received
12. Re-open hospitals, refurbish them
12a Make further decisions based on the above consultations

It's a nice idea, but giving it's the NHS we're talking about it's just going to mean much dinero going to consultancy firms and such to orgainise this consultation with virtually all of it squandered.

ENVIRONMENT

13. Set a specific date for companies to only be using as much packaging as is necessary to seal a product and to maintain the freshness of the product
14. ALL forms of energy to be seriously considered, but only the safest environmentally-friendly method will be used – this almost certainly rules out nuclear due to safety issues, but it will still be seriously considered
15. More bicycle lanes to be created
16. All bicycles lanes, where possible, to be separate from bus lanes
17. Recycling bins with clear information to be introduced into every major city

more recycling bins good idea, bicycle lanes good idea, only the safest most environmentally friendly energy is a bit problematic. What are your options? Wind power? The sheer number you're going to need will a) take to long to rely on in the short term and b) have a fairly big effect on the environment just due to the number of them.

ANIMAL WELFARE

18. The Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (RSPCA) will be required to investigate every report of animal suffering, unless there is good evidence that the report is a hoax
19. The RSPCA must prosecute where a person is discovered to be guilty (or likely to be guilty) of causing animal suffering
20. Maximum sentence for causing animal suffering to be 10 years imprisonment (plus lifetime ban on keeping animals, plus £10,000 fine) and minimum sentence for causing severe suffering to be 5 years plus lifetime ban on keeping animals plus £500 fine. Breach of a ban to result in 2 years imprisonment.
21. RSPCA and Royal Society for the Protection of Birds (RSPB) and other animal welfare organisations to work more closely together
22. Law to make killing of a healthy animal illegal (currently seems to be legal for certain organisations to kill a healthy animal), save for food which is in common consumption in the UK (beef, pork, etc.)
23. Extra space required for farm animals
24. Sufficient access to the outside environment required for farm animals, provided in such a way that animals do not have to compete to gain access
25. Illegal to inject animals with drugs for any reason other than genuine health reasons
26. Foxhunting to be made completely illegal
27. Vegetarian and vegan awareness campaigns, in that order

I don't really see the issue with killing animals. Fair enough cruelty to them is bad, but humanely putting them out of their misery if you can't look after them sounds like common sense to me. And I can't see the benefit to the country for vegetarian and vegan campaigns.

SOCIAL WELFARE

28. Social Services management to be retrained (who are then to pass the training onto lower-level staff)
29. Social Services around the country must share important information relating to cases of harm and potential cases of harm (in a confidential manner), so long as it does not compromise the safe carrying out of their duties
30. Each care home and foster home to have at least 5 random spontaneous inspections each year, and must include private talks with residents (children / elderly people)
31. Police forces around the country must share important information relating to cases of harm and potential cases of harm (in a confidential manner), so long as it does not compromise the safe carrying out of their duties
32. Police, Social Services, and National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC) to work together
33. More specialist beds to be created for under-16s runaways, plus clear advertising of such places
34. More beds for homeless people in general, plus clear advertising of assistance available to homeless people
35. More beds for those suffering from, or who are at risk from domestic violence – males and females.
36. More gender-specific support for male victims of domestic violence / sexual violence
37. More gender specific support for female victims of sexual violence

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FUNDING: Funding for 27 to be sourced solely from personal income, not taxpayers.

Funding for other numbers to be sourced from:
• Money saved by not introducing an I.D. Card scheme (there is one in Spain, it didn’t prevent the Madrid train attack and there is no real evidence that an I.D. Card does anything more than allows a government to spy on law-abiding citizens – people have sneaked into the UK without I.D., an I.D. Card scheme won’t prevent people sneaking in – and someone who wants to blow people up does not need idea, they simply set off a bomb in a street)
• Lotto Money
• Money diverted from agriculture spending
• Money diverted from defence spending without affecting the UK’s security by bringing troops back from places where they are no longer needed
• Money gained from recovering the majority of the millions of unpaid fines that exist
• Money that is already specifically allocated for each of the above categories – see http://budget2006.treasury.gov.uk/page_09.html
• Personal income

Personal Income would hopefully be massive amounts by the time these ideas would be likely to be implemented - eg. from book sales, from well-paid job, from business enterprise, etc.
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I don't like the idea of taking money from defence spending to spend on some of that other stuff. Seems to me if there's any spare money we should put it into investment in science in technology. And well manahged defence spending can achieve that, and if you do it right you can flog the stuff abroad and benefit the economy.
Saint-Newly
15-12-2006, 23:51
-laws-

Anything else is beyond my mind at present, but ask questions by all means.

BNP much?
Swilatia
15-12-2006, 23:53
Typically, a government only sets laws for its own country ;)

Multiland is in the UK govt.?
Saint-Newly
15-12-2006, 23:55
Multiland is in the UK govt.?

:rolleyes:

...well for changing things about the country if I was Prime Minister of England anyway?

Check the phat OP I be readin'.
Raksgaard
16-12-2006, 00:01
You seem to have a "Great Society" program going there, and that's your problem. Socially liberal programs didn't work here in the U.S.A. and traditionally, rich societies are much more open to liberal social programs, and the U.S.A is the richest nation on earth at this point.

You also appear to have a number of exceedingly feminist perspectives. Consider this.

Men have an overall 200% higher risk of attempting suicide, which goes up or down depending on age bracket, than women.

Men display significantly more social maladjustment-related disorders than women.

Men have a vastly higher incidence of psycho-somatic diseases than women.

Comparative longevity has become more and more skewed towards women over the past 50 years

What we have here is a society where if you want cash, be a man, but if you want health and overall happiness, women have it far easier.

Try treating everyone equally for a change.

Sorry for my little anti-feminist rant.
Saint-Newly
16-12-2006, 00:03
You also appear to have a number of exceedingly feminist perspectives.


Where? It looks pretty egalitarian to me.
Multiland
16-12-2006, 00:27
why are you so UK-centric?

See the post directly below yours. This news has been brought to you by the DOBO* :)

*Department Of the Bleeding Obvious
Multiland
16-12-2006, 00:35
You seem to have a "Great Society" program going there, and that's your problem. Socially liberal programs didn't work here in the U.S.A. and traditionally, rich societies are much more open to liberal social programs, and the U.S.A is the richest nation on earth at this point.

You also appear to have a number of exceedingly feminist perspectives. Consider this.

Men have an overall 200% higher risk of attempting suicide, which goes up or down depending on age bracket, than women.

Men display significantly more social maladjustment-related disorders than women.

Men have a vastly higher incidence of psycho-somatic diseases than women.

Comparative longevity has become more and more skewed towards women over the past 50 years

What we have here is a society where if you want cash, be a man, but if you want health and overall happiness, women have it far easier.

Try treating everyone equally for a change.

Sorry for my little anti-feminist rant.

I'm too tired to respond to anything else right now, but I just wanna make it clear I do not have a feminist perspective. I posted the ideas based on current social situiations (eg. there are currently virtually NO sources of help for male victims of domestic violence or sexual violence, and the apparently 'general' helplines are geared towards women. That doesn't mean I don't realise women get a bad deal in certan ways - just means I haven't posted possible ideas in response to those things yet.

I do try to treat everyone equally, and I've no idea how you got, from a mostly GENERAL set of IDEAS (not statements - ideas, on which I wanted feedback) that I am a feminist or have feminist ideals.
Nadkor
16-12-2006, 04:49
...well for changing things about the country if I was Prime Minister of England anyway?

I wasn't aware there was a position "Prime Minister of England" :p
Neo Undelia
16-12-2006, 06:18
Tax the extravagantly wealthy more and not touch the middle and upper classes and use the money to fund all sorts of programs to improve society as a whole.

They could still have their yachts and town houses, just not five of them.:)
Dwarfstein
16-12-2006, 06:27
sounds fairly reasonable. An addition would be to allow men accused of rape to retain anonymoty, like the victims, as an accusation, even false, can destroy someones life, and this may be a factor in the many false accusations made by women. mud sticks.
Zarakon
16-12-2006, 07:16
SEXUAL VIOLENCE

1. Introduce a mandatory life sentence for rape
Bullshit. These people made one mistake, why should there lives be ruined? And don't give me that shit that the victim's life is ruined. He might be depressed for a while, but he'll get over it.


2. Create a sexual violence awareness campaign (start with one for female victims, then one for male victims)
First we need to change the laws so that woman CAN rape people. If you look at the law, the definition of rape is "the insertion of any object into any orifice with an unwilling person." So if a woman screws a man against his will, she's home free. Of course, I hope no attorney ever tries such a bullshit defense. Plus, no sexual violence awareness campaign for females. We have enough of those. If we HAVE to do one, we should do it second.


3. Relax the rules that need to be met before a sexual violence case can go to trial:
(a) No need for two collaborating pieces of evidence
(b) All cases to go to trial, unless complainant is apparent serial
false-accusation-maker and there is no evidence

No. Just no. More cases going to trial will fuck up the injustice system even more.


4. Make it easier for victims to report sexual violence and to have a fair trial:
(a) Sexual history to be disallowed (except for previous false accusations)
No. There sexual history is important to the case.
(b) Jury to be made up of 50% men and 50% women
Provided there are an appropriate number of qualified people of both genders, I have no problem with this.

(c) Foreman of the jury to be female in sexual violence against females cases, male in sexual violence against males cases
I disagree. I feel that the foreman of the jury should be the opposite sex of the accuser. Also, the foreman should not have any record of either commiting rape or being raped.
(d) Specialist prosecutors to be used
I don't really see what you're getting at.
(e) CPS must prosecute if a law may have been broken – they may only NOT prosecute when a person has been charged with something that is not a crime
So no plea bargins?

(f) Provide training for a senior member of each police force (who is then to pass it on to the rest of the team) about dealing with sexual violence attacks, particularly male sexual violence
What the hell? I believe they should have training, but there is no need to single one gender out. In fact, doing that could severely screw up the suspect list for rapes.
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YOUTH-RELATED CRIMES

5. Throwing bricks at a bus will result first in a caution plus a formal warning about what will happen it the incident or a similar incident reoccurs, then one week in a police cell – both to be coupled with a “Knowledge and Action” campaign (KAC) to find out why teenagers are behaving badly and to take action: KAC Headquarters to be informed of all brick-throwing-at-buses-related arrests.

Okay, no campaign. The reason they are behaving badly is because they are mother fucking regulated every fucking minute of there lives!
6. Build more police cells
7. Build more prisons
These seem to go together. We have enough prisons. We should build more facilities centered around rehabilitating petty offenders.
7a. Riding/driving a legally-held motor vehicle in an illegal manner will result in immediate confiscation of the vehicle
Your telling me now parking in a "no parking" zone will get your vehicle confiscated? Speeding? No one would go for this law.
7b. Intimidation to result in a caution then community service then a few days in a police cell
Guess police will spend the rest of there lives in jail. Fitting.
7c. Antisocial Behaviour Orders (‘ASBO’s) to be scrapped – they perhaps work brilliantly for the area where they are enforced, but the problem is effectively just moved on to a different area – could be moved on to YOUR area. They are also seen as worthy of ‘street cred’

No. What you are doing is taking away people's right to safety to take away some guy's "street cred". And that's just wrong.

HEALTH

8. Consult with the Royal College of Nursing and with individual nurses
9. Provide more funding specifically allocated for specific expenditure (e.g. medical supplies, beds, etc.)

No problems
10. Get rid of targets
Don't know what you mean
11. Speak to individual patients about the quality of care received. No. It just takes a few disgruntled crazies to fuck up the entire hospital.
12. Re-open hospitals, refurbish them
12a Make further decisions based on the above consultations

So long as the buildings are still viable.
ENVIRONMENT

13. Set a specific date for companies to only be using as much packaging as is necessary to seal a product and to maintain the freshness of the product Define "necessary". It's far to relative.
14. ALL forms of energy to be seriously considered, but only the safest environmentally-friendly method will be used – this almost certainly rules out nuclear due to safety issues, but it will still be seriously considered All Forms? So babies being shredded will be considered? God powering the vehicles of the good christians? Muslims being fed into combines?
15. More bicycle lanes to be created
16. All bicycles lanes, where possible, to be separate from bus lanes
Okay
17. Recycling bins with clear information to be introduced into every major city
No one will use them.


ANIMAL WELFARE

18. The Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (RSPCA) will be required to investigate every report of animal suffering, unless there is good evidence that the report is a hoax
Waste of time.
19. The RSPCA must prosecute where a person is discovered to be guilty (or likely to be guilty) of causing animal suffering
No. Possible extenuating circumstances..
20. Maximum sentence for causing animal suffering to be 10 years imprisonment (plus lifetime ban on keeping animals, plus £10,000 fine) and minimum sentence for causing severe suffering to be 5 years plus lifetime ban on keeping animals plus £500 fine. Breach of a ban to result in 2 years imprisonment.
HOLY SHIT THAT IS NUTS. That's sharper then the penalty for stealing a car in the states.
21. RSPCA and Royal Society for the Protection of Birds (RSPB) and other animal welfare organisations to work more closely together
Whatever.
22. Law to make killing of a healthy animal illegal (currently seems to be legal for certain organisations to kill a healthy animal), save for food which is in common consumption in the UK (beef, pork, etc.)
What about putting down dangerous animals? Is that still okay?
23. Extra space required for farm animals
Too relative.
24. Sufficient access to the outside environment required for farm animals, provided in such a way that animals do not have to compete to gain access
Okay

25. Illegal to inject animals with drugs for any reason other than genuine health reasons
No. We will then have no way of testing out new drugs, meaning we will have to test on humans, possibly causing death or severe injury.
26. Foxhunting to be made completely illegal
What the hell? This seems kinda out of nowhere. Do you like foxes or something?
27. Vegetarian and vegan awareness campaigns, in that order
They are stupid, bullshit lifestyles. They should not be given awareness campaigns any more than pro-anorexia people should get campaigns.

SOCIAL WELFARE

28. Social Services management to be retrained (who are then to pass the training onto lower-level staff)
OK
29. Social Services around the country must share important information relating to cases of harm and potential cases of harm (in a confidential manner), so long as it does not compromise the safe carrying out of their duties
OK
30. Each care home and foster home to have at least 5 random spontaneous inspections each year, and must include private talks with residents (children / elderly people)
That's good.
31. Police forces around the country must share important information relating to cases of harm and potential cases of harm (in a confidential manner), so long as it does not compromise the safe carrying out of their duties
OK.
32. Police, Social Services, and National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC) to work together
That's fine.
33. More specialist beds to be created for under-16s runaways, plus clear advertising of such places
That's fine too.
34. More beds for homeless people in general, plus clear advertising of assistance available to homeless people
35. More beds for those suffering from, or who are at risk from domestic violence – males and females.
Good. But why do you have to point out it's for members of both genders? You shouldn't have too.
36. More gender-specific support for male victims of domestic violence / sexual violence
Thank you. I'm glad someone else realizes that there are male VICTIMS out there.
37. More gender specific support for female victims of sexual violence There's enough of that. No need.

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Vernasia
17-12-2006, 00:16
Nice ideas!
I'd probably vote for you if you ever run, unless I'm standing myself.

My main principles:
1) The state should always provide for those in genuine need, by helping the get out of their situation.
2) Hospitals, schools etc. should be good enough for there to be no desire for private institutions.
3) Re-introduce a grammar school / secondary modern style system, where all paths are seen as equal, just different.
4) Become genuinely tough on crime.
5) Allow health services and school enough money and freedom from beaurocracy to do whatever is best in their local community.
Momomomomomo
17-12-2006, 02:32
Tax the extravagantly wealthy more and not touch the middle and upper classes and use the money to fund all sorts of programs to improve society as a whole.

They could still have their yachts and town houses, just not five of them.:)

Two words: Braiiiiiiiiiiiin Drain
Momomomomomo
17-12-2006, 02:36
2) Hospitals, schools etc. should be good enough for there to be no desire for private institutions.

Part b of this plan is that the country should suddenly become insanely wealthy right?

3) Re-introduce a grammar school / secondary modern style system, where all paths are seen as equal, just different.

And write people off when they're just ten or eleven? Return to a system recognised as a colossal failure?

4) Become genuinely tough on crime.

In what way? Longer sentances?

5) Allow health services and school enough money and freedom from beaurocracy to do whatever is best in their local community.

And what happens when that freedom leads to a royal f-ck up?
Gataway_Driver
17-12-2006, 02:53
1. Introduce a mandatory life sentence for rape


I know this is bad form to just pick out one point but what the hey.

As far as I'm aware a 16 year old having sex with a 15 year old is technically rape in the UK and yes those people are put on the sex offenders list but hey when we think of rape we think of a horrible eivil man taking advantage of a poor innocent woman. Not always that clear methinks .It might seem harsh but thats the way I see it.
TetristanBloc
17-12-2006, 03:03
tsk tsk tsk...where are the gulags? :mad:
Multiland
17-12-2006, 14:15
Bullshit. These people made one mistake, why should there lives be ruined? And don't give me that shit that the victim's life is ruined. He might be depressed for a while, but he'll get over it.


First we need to change the laws so that woman CAN rape people. If you look at the law, the definition of rape is "the insertion of any object into any orifice with an unwilling person." So if a woman screws a man against his will, she's home free. Of course, I hope no attorney ever tries such a bullshit defense. Plus, no sexual violence awareness campaign for females. We have enough of those. If we HAVE to do one, we should do it second.


Although as I'd said I just wanted feedback (and will not usually respond to the feedback, except perhaps in a new post, modified based on the feedback), you've gave me something I have to respond to.

Ignorant people like you really piss me off. People who have been raped do not just "get depressed" then "get over it" - it's not something that a person can get over (in the vast majority of cases). It's so bad that despite how scary the idea of death is for many people, people who have been raped would often rather kill thmselves than deal with the trauma that has been cased by what is form of torture. Of course, I don't expect you to believe me, which is why, if I'm wrong that you're completely ignorant, you'll click on a few of these:

http://www.healthyplace.com/Communities/Abuse/lisk/effects_rape.htm
http://www.healthyplace.com/Communities/Abuse/lisk/effects_rape.htm#ptsd

http://www.crcl.org.uk/effects.html

http://survive.org.uk/PTSD.html

And PS sexual history is irrelvant - it doesn't matter how much a woman CONSENSUALLY sleeps around, that doesn't mean she is happy to be raped. The only relevant sexual history is that which is DIRECTLY RELEVANT TO THE CASE (eg. previous false accusations).
Myseneum
17-12-2006, 16:32
...well for changing things about the country if I was Prime Minister of England anyway? Note: Where a number has a letter next to it (eg. '7a'), the letter means 'amendment'. They're just SOME ideas. Please provide reasons for responses, thanks.

Now leaving your country, taking my vast personal wealth and corporate holdings with me to a nation that places more value on liberty and rights. Macrosoft, my incredibly large IT corporation will move its headquarters out of London, taking all of its jobs along.

Sure, there'll be a significant short-term price to pay for the move, but it will be compensated in the long-term in its new location.
LiberationFrequency
17-12-2006, 16:51
First we need to change the laws so that woman CAN rape people. If you look at the law, the definition of rape is "the insertion of any object into any orifice with an unwilling person." So if a woman screws a man against his will, she's home free. Of course, I hope no attorney ever tries such a bullshit defense. Plus, no sexual violence awareness campaign for females. We have enough of those. If we HAVE to do one, we should do it second.




Is that really the definition of rape and for what state? Under that definition force feeding is rape.
Myseneum
17-12-2006, 16:54
Tax the extravagantly wealthy more

Defined how and by whom?

What is the orgasmic reason behind penalizing those who have succeeded?

use the money to fund all sorts of programs to improve society as a whole.

Not government's job.

Leave improving society to the people and running government to the government.

They could still have their yachts and town houses, just not five of them.:)

Why not? From where do you derive the authority to decide just how much property one may own?

A while back, taxation made it less desireable to purchase luxury craft in the US. As a result, many small businesses on the New England coast that thrive on this industry suffered. People lost their jobs, families were ruined; all because someone decided "those rich guys don't need more than one yacht."

When the incredibly wealthy purchase their second or more mansion or yacht, many things happen.


Their money becomes part of the economy, rather than sitting getting moldy.
Those in the contracting business get jobs, enabling them to pay for employees, who then put their money into the economy, too.
Ditto for the marine industry
Their money being spent on these luxury items is taxed.