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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJEw3A_QO9o

Discuss.

Wow. That cat must've had some nasty flashbacks after that.

It kinda looks like it thinks it'll float upward if it doesn't cling to the floor fast enough.

How much acid did they give that cat?

Not sure, though it's just a cat, so the weight ratio of how much it would take to make a human trip out is a lot smaller.

poor cat :(

looks like LSD works like a nerve agent on cats. the thing looked so scared. at least we can make some sort of sense of the hallucinations we see. a cat just get fucked up :( .

We should stick that guy torturing that cat into the gas chamber. Have him choke on cyanide. :mad:

Made me laugh.

poor cat :(

looks like LSD works like a nerve agent on cats. the thing looked so scared. at least we can make some sort of sense of the hallucinations we see. a cat just get fucked up :( .

Some of the comments on the youtube page suggests that it wasn't actually LSD, because there aren't any neurotoxins in LSD.

We should stick that guy torturing that cat into the gas chamber. Have him choke on cyanide. :mad:

There are a few comments to that extent on the youtube page.

It was probably just having a bad trip. It looked like a scared cat, nothing more.

I'm baffled as to why its under the "comedy" category

I just feel sad when I watch it.

I know someone who gave a dog acid and that dog was fucked up for the rest of its life. When the guy told me he had done it, he seemed so proud of himself, so I told him that it was cruel and left.

I actually heard that guy killed himself just two days ago. I think someone with mental problems like that guy is the only kind of person that could treat an animal that way.

Some of the comments on the youtube page suggests that it wasn't actually LSD, because there aren't any neurotoxins in LSD.


i know, i was just meaning the visible effects of the cat's legs being all splayed out. it's not clear from the video if that was a concious effort to hold onto the floor or simply loosing control of it's muscles due to fear.

anyway, whoever's experimenting with recreational drugs on animals should be beaten to a pulp :mad: .

i know, i was just meaning the visible effects of the cat's legs being all splayed out. it's not clear from the video if that was a concious effort to hold onto the floor or simply loosing control of it's muscles due to fear.

anyway, whoever's experimenting with recreational drugs on animals should be beaten to a pulp :mad: .

There's plenty of people who could be persuaded to take LSD if they want to test it on someone.

Whatever they gave it, it was horrible. That poor cat. :mad:

That's not funny. That's cruel! I like cats.

We should stick that guy torturing that cat into the gas chamber. Have him choke on cyanide. :mad:

Just give that guy some LSD. Anyone who is mentally deranged enough to give a cat LSD is going to have one hell of a bad trip...give him a nice trip to his own personal hell for punishment.

There's plenty of people who could be persuaded to take LSD if they want to test it on someone.

exactly, myself included probably, there's just no need to give any to animals. medical drugs i can just about accept the argument for animal testing (sometimes) but anything non-essential is just not worth the moral outrage.

Just give that guy some LSD. Anyone who is mentally deranged enough to give a cat LSD is going to have one hell of a bad trip...give him a nice trip to his own personal hell for punishment.

Well.... ok. Certainly a better punishment but it still feels like he is getting off easy.

exactly, myself included probably, there's just no need to give any to animals. medical drugs i can just about accept the argument for animal testing (sometimes) but anything non-essential is just not worth the moral outrage.

Huh? This was made in 1957. How are they going to know the effects of a drug without testing it on animals first? Without knowing the effects of the drug you cannot deem it "non-essential." Dur.

Well.... ok. Certainly a better punishment but it still feels like he is getting off easy.

Yeah, but from what I've heard of really bad trips this is a lot better punishment. Nothing like having your sanity snapped like a twig thanks to a combination of LSD and preexisting mental problems.

Yeah, but from what I've heard of really bad trips this is a lot better punishment. Nothing like having your sanity snapped like a twig thanks to a combination of LSD and preexisting mental problems.

Your naivety is showing.

Your naivety is showing.

Eh, I know nothing about LSD...psilocybin's my specialty. All I know is that it can fuck you up bad if you're not careful.

Huh? This was made in 1957. How are they going to know the effects of a drug without testing it on animals first? Without knowing the effects of the drug you cannot deem it "non-essential." Dur.

Do we know at what stage of the testing this was filmed? You're probably right though, its just not pleasant to watch.

poor kittie!!! :( :( :(

doesn't look like a nice kittie-trip :(

Eh, I know nothing about LSD...psilocybin's my specialty. All I know is that it can fuck you up bad if you're not careful.

I've had bad trips before, and I'm fairly sane. LSD won't snap your sanity.

Eh, I know nothing about LSD...psilocybin's my specialty. All I know is that it can fuck you up bad if you're not careful.

WHile bad trips can be no fun at the time, I have never seen one damage a person for life or really even affect a person much after they've come down except for a bit of complaining about the bad trip. Now, overdosing on the other hand...

I'm a huge fan of shrooms. I used to grow them *dreams of wonderful days long past*

WHile bad trips can be no fun at the time, I have never seen one damage a person for life or really even affect a person much after they've come down except for a bit of complaining about the bad trip. Now, overdosing on the other hand...

Well, the risk isn't that LSD itself won't induce psychosis, but will trigger conditions that were already present before the LSD. That's the risk; the problems caused by bad trips in mentally healthy individuals wear off in short order, but people with me

I'm a huge fan of shrooms. I used to grow them *dreams of wonderful days long past*

That's pretty cool. I always wanted to try it, but I don't think OSU would like people growing shrooms in their dorms.

WHile bad trips can be no fun at the time, I have never seen one damage a person for life or really even affect a person much after they've come down except for a bit of complaining about the bad trip. Now, overdosing on the other hand...

I'm a huge fan of shrooms. I used to grow them *dreams of wonderful days long past*

It's ridiculously difficult to overdose on LSD. Your body builds up immunity to the drug ridiculously fast, which is why it's also not addictive. For comparison, typical dosage is 150µg. An overdose would be 12,000µg.

I've had bad trips before, and I'm fairly sane. LSD won't snap your sanity.

Yeah, but do you have any mental problems? Like schizophrenia or something like that? I always thought LSD could really cause long-term and severe problems if you've got those kinds of conditions.

I have no problem with testing experimental medicines on animals, and since I don't know what the purpose of this test was, I am not going to rush to condemn the laboratory carrying it out.

To me that didn't look like a freaked out cat, but a cat that had no muscular control.

Yeah, but do you have any mental problems? Like schizophrenia or something like that? I always thought LSD could really cause long-term and severe problems if you've got those kinds of conditions.

Admittedly, no, I'm of sound mental health, though I'd expect that any psychoactive drug would fuck up a mentally unstable person.

Well, the risk isn't that LSD itself won't induce psychosis, but will trigger conditions that were already present before the LSD. That's the risk; the problems caused by bad trips in mentally healthy individuals wear off in short order, but people with me



That's pretty cool. I always wanted to try it, but I don't think OSU would like people growing shrooms in their dorms.


True, I hadn't thought about pre-existing and possibly dormant mental health conditions.

Just say that you are doing educational research :D

Admittedly, no, I'm of sound mental health, though I'd expect that any psychoactive drug would fuck up a mentally unstable person.

I always thought LSD was particularly bad for those kinds of problems considering that it's a partially synthetic drug and its effects on body chemistry would be different than those of other substances.

I don't know for sure, though.

Huh? This was made in 1957. How are they going to know the effects of a drug without testing it on animals first? Without knowing the effects of the drug you cannot deem it "non-essential." Dur.

the thing is the drug was first used by the guy who accidentally invented it. and besides that, unless there is a hypothetical medical benefit to a drug, why test on animals? i just don't think animals should suffer for our potential kicks. maybe we can morally justify animal suffering for potentially saving our lives our reducing our own suffering (maybe), but not for making sure our drive for the pursuit of happiness is satisfied, that's just sick really.

It's ridiculously difficult to overdose on LSD. Your body builds up immunity to the drug ridiculously fast, which is why it's also not addictive. For comparison, typical dosage is 150µg. An overdose would be 12,000µg.


it's not THAT difficult.

I know two people who did so fairly easily (they had quite a bit of excperience with LSD at the time as well).

One guy is permanently out of his mind for good. He only took like 10 hits of acid.

Another guy was a close friend who lost muscular control and was hospitalized for a few weeks! His facial expressions are kinda messed up now; he doesnt even look like himself anymore. He had taken about 20 hits of acid.

YouTube has some strange crap on it. Strange indeed.

the thing is the drug was first used by the guy who accidentally invented it. and besides that, unless there is a hypothetical medical benefit to a drug, why test on animals? i just don't think animals should suffer for our potential kicks. maybe we can morally justify animal suffering for potentially saving our lives our reducing our own suffering (maybe), but not for making sure our drive for the pursuit of happiness is satisfied, that's just sick really.

There was potential medical uses for LSD. It was widely used to treat mental disorders in the sixties. Please, edumicate yourself before leaking from your vagina.

it's not THAT difficult.

I know two people who did so fairly easily (they had quite a bit of excperience with LSD at the time as well).

One guy is permanently out of his mind for good. He only took like 10 hits of acid.

Another guy was a close friend who lost muscular control and was hospitalized for a few weeks! His facial expressions are kinda messed up now; he doesnt even look like himself anymore. He had taken about 20 hits of acid.

That's not an overdose.

Admittedly, no, I'm of sound mental health, though I'd expect that any psychoactive drug would fuck up a mentally unstable person.

some psychoactive drugs have seemingly positive effects on people with mental health issues.

Extacy has been used sucessfully in psychotherapy sessions with lasting positive results.

The leaves of the Salvia Divinorum plant have been used to help treat depression.

Yeah, but from what I've heard of really bad trips this is a lot better punishment. Nothing like having your sanity snapped like a twig thanks to a combination of LSD and preexisting mental problems.

Ok, if he has some mental condition then we'll pump him full of LSD. Otherwise, I'll go back to cyanide.

for once i want PETA to fight...thats pretty fucked up, they must have given that cat a human does, and whats up with the funky music

Since the movement of the cat seemed to so unnatural (to me it seemed to slide around the cage without actually moving itself) and that the experiment took place at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, I think that there may be some doctoring to this film.

That's not an overdose.

Then what was it?

It wasnt bad acid. The same acid in smaller amounts didnt hurt anyone else.

They had both taken acid before without negative results, but the large amounts had extreemely negative effects on them. large doses causing harm would sound just like an overdose to me. What would you call it?

I've had bad trips before, and I'm fairly sane. LSD won't snap your sanity.

that's not true at all. i happen to like LSD, i've had more good trips than bad. but the fact is you can;t know, as a fully sentient human being, whether you are going to have a good trip or not before you have a tab. a cat has no control over that decision in this instance and should not be involved. i know people who are irrevocable fucked off less active drugs than LSD. now, the fact that they're fucked up could be because they were predisposed to some mental conditions, but they didn't know that, but it was their choice in taking the drugs. we don't know much (or anything) about animal mental conditions so to experiment on them with recreational drugs is both pointless and 'immoral' because they don't have tht choice over messing with their brains. for all we know we could be the only species that can cope with an LSD trip, good or bad.

that's not true at all. i happen to like LSD, i've had more good trips than bad. but the fact is you can;t know, as a fully sentient human being, whether you are going to have a good trip or not before you have a tab. a cat has no control over that decision in this instance and should not be involved. i know people who are irrevocable fucked off less active drugs than LSD. now, the fact that they're fucked up could be because they were predisposed to some mental conditions, but they didn't know that, but it was their choice in taking the drugs. we don't know much (or anything) about animal mental conditions so to experiment on them with recreational drugs is both pointless and 'immoral' because they don't have tht choice over messing with their brains. for all we know we could be the only species that can cope with an LSD trip, good or bad.

A cat shouldn't be bound by a decision that it has no control over?

There was potential medical uses for LSD. It was widely used to treat mental disorders in the sixties. Please, edumicate yourself before leaking from your vagina.

all right, you got me there. doesn't quite excuse this video being used for entertainment now though.

i wish i did have a vagina, seems live so much more fun

That's cruel. Poor kitty...

I think if you laugh at animals, or really any living thing, being tortured, you are a sick f*ck and lack compassion ( to the extreme)

A cat shouldn't be bound by a decision that it has no control over?

not if it's going to harm the cat with no benefit to itself and isn't immediately necessary imho, no.

anyway, whoever's experimenting with recreational drugs on animals should be beaten to a pulp :mad: .

Would you prefer that they test on humans?

I think if you laugh at animals, or really any living thing, being tortured, you are a sick f*ck and lack compassion ( to the extreme)

What if the cat did something bad to you? What if the cat shit in your bowl of cheerios when you weren't looking? Then is it ok to laugh at it being tortured?

Would you prefer that they test on humans?

absolutely! wouldn't you!?!!

cosenting humans of course.

What if the cat did something bad to you? What if the cat shit in your bowl of cheerios when you weren't looking? Then is it ok to laugh at it being tortured?

would it be ok to lauigh at a humanbeing tortuered for that?

i mean actually tortured, so the pain might be unbearable.

Since the movement of the cat seemed to so unnatural (to me it seemed to slide around the cage without actually moving itself) and that the experiment took place at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, I think that there may be some doctoring to this film.

Could be. But I don't think it would be unusual for Wright AFB to be doing those kinds of tests back in the 50's; I mean, these were the days of MKULTRA and stuff like that.

would it be ok to lauigh at a humanbeing tortuered for that?

i mean actually tortured, so the pain might be unbearable.

I guess so.

What if the cat did something bad to you? What if the cat shit in your bowl of cheerios when you weren't looking? Then is it ok to laugh at it being tortured?

what are you talking about, if after it did that it would be okay to torture? hm sorry, that doesn't make sense. Anyhow, I don't believe there is justifcation for torturing a helpless animal.

What if the cat did something bad to you? What if the cat shit in your bowl of cheerios when you weren't looking? Then is it ok to laugh at it being tortured?


If you are speaking from experience, then I suggest you be nicer to the kitties so that they dont feel teh need to shit in your cheerios.

I guess so.

If the human were to give full consent and were given full disclosure of what would likely happen, I'd support it. But to inflict pain on an animal is something else entirely especially considering that such an experiment is of dubious utility to begin with.

But then again, this was the Cold War...things like animal cruelty, full disclosure, and scientific ethics were disregarded on all sides.

I guess so.

i had to re-read my post to get a sense of what you were agreeing to there. you're funny as hell but i think hell has infiltrated someof your other thought processes too.

If you are speaking from experience, then I suggest you be nicer to the kitties so that they dont feel teh need to shit in your cheerios.

Nah, I've got a dog, and it can't jump up on the table.

absolutely! wouldn't you!?!!

cosenting humans of course.

Unless the humans were criminals, rapists, murderers, ect., or consenting then sure. Otherwise, no keep it to testing animals if the human race will benefit from it.

I'm pretty easily amused and I take great pride in making almost anything amusing.

I'm not doing so well after that video. I'm not amused. :(

i had to re-read my post to get a sense of what you were agreeing to there. you're funny as hell but i think hell has infiltrated someof your other thought processes too.

Don't mind me. I'm sleep deprived. Last night my dog kept whining and having to go dump. I kept having to get out of bed to keep it from dumping on the floor. I wasn't completely successful.

Could be. But I don't think it would be unusual for Wright AFB to be doing those kinds of tests back in the 50's; I mean, these were the days of MKULTRA and stuff like that.

It seems to me that Air Force tests in the 50's would most likely be concerned with the effects of high speed travel, high gravity (or lack there of), or other physical forces. I think it is entirely possible that they were testing whether LSD could lessen the effects of high gravity, explaining why the cat was glued to the floor.

Even the idea that the cat is being "tortured" is not exactly conclusive, since we have no idea whether the cat is terrified or not.

I would be just as likely to believe that this was editted by someone seeking to make LSD look worse than it is.

Nah, I've got a dog, and it can't jump up on the table.


oh well then, nvrmnd and continue to abuse those animals then *thumbs up*

:D

it says I have to sign up for an account:(

it says I have to sign up for an account:(

The account is free, basically, it's just a precaution against being sued by the parents of an eleven year old seeing something they shouldn't. So don't be afraid to register. On the other hand, that video isn't worth the time. It's just a cat spasming. It make me kind of uncomfortable. *nod*

It seems to me that Air Force tests in the 50's would most likely be concerned with the effects of high speed travel, high gravity (or lack there of), or other physical forces. I think it is entirely possible that they were testing whether LSD could lessen the effects of high gravity, explaining why the cat was glued to the floor.

It could even be related to psychological-warfare programs, especially given that the US was involved in a lot of aerial espionage at the time and probably wanted to develop ways to prevent pilots from giving away important information if captured.

Even the idea that the cat is being "tortured" is not exactly conclusive, since we have no idea whether the cat is terrified or not.

It doesn't look pleasant, to say the least. Whether the cat is suffering is something else entirely.

I would be just as likely to believe that this was editted by someone seeking to make LSD look worse than it is.

The US government did that quite a bit during the 1960's and 1970's. I imagine if there was someone doctoring this thing, it was them.

I have more of a problem with the person who set it to music and put that on youtube for entertainment purposes.