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It seems that Litvinenko guy who was poisoned with polonium was working with his Italian contact to get weapons to Chechnia. A small number of people believe that he may have accidentally poisoned himself while smuggling materials for a dirty bomb. It seems this story is getting stranger and more complicated by the day. I wonder if we'll ever know the truth of what happened.

http://www.disinfo.com/site/displayarticle18031.html

We'll never know.

BTW, one of the uses of polonium is as a fission initiator.

Doesn't that make you feel better?

We'll never know.

BTW, one of the uses of polonium is as a fission initiator.

Doesn't that make you feel better?

Large explosions always do.

It seems that Litvinenko guy who was poisoned with polonium was working with his Italian contact to get weapons to Chechnia. A small number of people believe that he may have accidentally poisoned himself while smuggling materials for a dirty bomb. It seems this story is getting stranger and more complicated by the day. I wonder if we'll ever know the truth of what happened.

http://www.disinfo.com/site/displayarticle18031.html?? where would that dirty bomb have come from? polonium is made only in very expensive labs that are most probably state financed. it cannot be bought on the street.

?? where would that dirty bomb have come from? polonium is made only in very expensive labs that are most probably state financed. it cannot be bought on the street.

Pwned

http://www.unitednuclear.com/isotopes.htm

?? where would that dirty bomb have come from? polonium is made only in very expensive labs that are most probably state financed. it cannot be bought on the street.No, but it's available online (http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2006/12/04/tech-isotope.html)

Edit: Dang you DK.

?? where would that dirty bomb have come from? polonium is made only in very expensive labs that are most probably state financed. it cannot be bought on the street.

Small ammounts can be purchased on the internet for about $69 US per sample.

Pwned
http://www.unitednuclear.com/isotopes.htm
"You would need about 15,000 of our Polonium-210 needle sources
at a total cost of about $1 million - to have a toxic amount."
And you need to get it inside one's body. Just getting in touch with contaminated material doesn't poison someone.

Small ammounts can be purchased on the internet for about $69 US per sample.What amount? And how many of those do you need to poison someone?

"You would need about 15,000 of our Polonium-210 needle sources
at a total cost of about $1 million - to have a toxic amount."
And you need to get it inside one's body. Just getting in touch with contaminated material doesn't poison someone.

Somehow I doubt you would want to ingest even one source.

The real question is, toxic over what period of time. Immediately toxic might require 15,000 sources.

Giving you cancer might only take one.

Somehow I doubt you would want to ingest even one source.

The real question is, toxic over what period of time. Immediately toxic might require 15,000 sources.

Giving you cancer might only take one.Litvinenko didn't die of cancer.

The dude was an ex spy and possibly an arms smuggler. I'm sure he could get his hands on polonium and other radioactive elements in larger quantities and at lower prices than the average guy with a credit card and an internet connection.

Litvinenko didn't die of cancer.

Interestingly, it somehow got into his bone marrow.

Since none of the others got it into their bone marrow (or they would be dead now as well), I wonder how it got there.

Doesn't take much, if the source is placed in the correct area.

Interestingly, it somehow got into his bone marrow.

Since none of the others got it into their bone marrow (or they would be dead now as well), I wonder how it got there.

Doesn't take much, if the source is placed in the correct area.How did it get "placed in the correct area" accidentally if he was indeed in touch with materials for a bomb? Polonium is harmless unless you get it inside your body. And I suppose once you have it inside your body it will get everywhere via the blood.

How did it get "placed in the correct area" accidentally if he was indeed in touch with materials for a bomb? Polonium is harmless unless you get it inside your body. And I suppose once you have it inside your body it will get everywhere via the blood.

Not necessarily. Not all materials will go to all areas of the body once in the blood.

For instance, a surprising number of chemicals won't get into the brain.

I'm incline to believe the Russian government may have been involved because it appears to be in the habit of suppressing dissent...

Anti-Putin protest to go ahead (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6181613.stm) despite being officially banned, while a pro-Kremlin march faces no restrictions...

That's ignoring the facts that Polonium traces was found not only at Chelsea grounds where a couple of Russians went to before they met Chevenko, but also on the plane they took, the hotel in London they stayed, and even the house of the ex-wife one of them stayed before he flew to London.

I'm incline to believe the Russian government may have been involved because it appears to be in the habit of suppressing dissent...

Anti-Putin protest to go ahead (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6181613.stm) despite being officially banned, while a pro-Kremlin march faces no restrictions...
Something like 2/3 of gpvt posts have been given to ex-KGB agents since Putin became PM.
Jobs for the boys, it would seem.

In my local newspaper I read one day the Russians are sending investigators to help the British police investigate this. The next day I read the Russians have told the British police they will not be allowed to question anyone in Russia. Gee, now that doesn't sound suspicious at all.

Its scary how Russia is sinking back into the Soviet mentality. They should recall the mass murder and emmense human suffering caused by their mistaken ideology.

I wonder what connection this "small number of people" have to the murder regime of Vladimir Putin?

Outside of very compelling evidence to the contrary, this reeks of the kind of tricky assassination of which russian intelligence is so fond. They were certainly willing to poison yushchenko, or has that been forgotten?

It is certainly in the putin regime's interest to try and spin this into some convoluted "terrorism" abortion. Don't aid them.

I suppose the counterargument that our president looked into Putin's soul and saw he was a good man might be launched, but be serious.

Disinformation is a fake news website, so don't try and play it of like it is legit

Disinformation is a fake news website, so don't try and play it of like it is legit

No it's not. It's a fringe news site. Some of what it reports is accurate, some is exaggerated, some is opinion, and some is wrong, but none of it is a parody like the Onion.

No it's not. It's a fringe news site. Some of what it reports is accurate, some is exaggerated, some is opinion, and some is wrong, but none of it is a parody like the Onion.

really, I got the feel that it was a little on the fake side.