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We have these muslim extremists who kill people in the name of Allah.
http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=7394

We have abortion clinics frequently under some sort of violent threats.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm

One woman in California claimed that God told her to toss her kids into San Francisco Bay.
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/257619.htm

What gives....My God is a Loving God, Peaceful God, and Forgiving God. Why do so many people commit these violent and horrendous acts in the name of God?

What gives....My God is a Loving God, Peaceful God, and Forgiving God. Why do so many people commit these violent and horrendous acts in the name of God?
because they want an excuse that they can use.

We had wars in the name of Freedom
We had wars in the name of Money
We had wars in the name of Pride.

God is just another excuse for the small minded person.

thats a tough question to answer, but it seems many commit violence not for God, but for political or social reasons that are wraped in religious language.

because they want an excuse that they can use.

We had wars in the name of Freedom
We had wars in the name of Money
We had wars in the name of Pride.

God is just another excuse for the small minded person.

Exactly, and also because things like religion are at least in part up to your interpretation it can be a flexible and solid excuse (at least in the eyes of those using it).

thats a tough question to answer, but it seems many commit violence not for God, but for political or social reasons that are wraped in religious language.

That's it right there.

We have these muslim extremists who kill people in the name of Allah.
http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=7394

We have abortion clinics frequently under some sort of violent threats.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm

One woman in California claimed that God told her to toss her kids into San Francisco Bay.
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/257619.htm

What gives....My God is a Loving God, Peaceful God, and Forgiving God. Why do so many people commit these violent and horrendous acts in the name of God?

Because the concept of religon is a powerfull social force.

In essence it is easy for people to use it to motivate others

OACF anybody? :(

As an American, despite the fact that I don't believe in a god, I would rather think that we were at war for an idea, like a religion, than for capitol or oil. I'm not trying to americanize the subject or change it to the war, I'm just saying religion can be used as a justification.

Cuz ppl r teh stoopid

As an American, despite the fact that I don't believe in a god, I would rather think that we were at war for an idea, like a religion, than for capitol or oil. I'm not trying to americanize the subject or change it to the war, I'm just saying religion can be used as a justification.

Isn't going to war over religious ideals a bit much, not to mention hypocritical in most religions?

The Bible and Quran are filled with wars, religious wars.

The only Abrahamic figure who can be show to be against war is Jesus.

Isn't going to war over religious ideals a bit much, not to mention hypocritical in most religions?

Isn't any war "a bit much"? But if you're going to go to war would you rather say "I'm going to war for money." or "I'm going to war in the name of my Lord?"

They're fundamentalists, and thus get to ignore the fundamental tenets of their religions.

Isn't any war "a bit much"? But if you're going to go to war would you rather say "I'm going to war for money." or "I'm going to war in the name of my Lord?"

Instead of God (for us USians at least) its democracy. Bush supposedly wanted to bring democracy to Iraq, but as we al know its for the oil.

thats a tough question to answer, but it seems many commit violence not for God, but for political or social reasons that are wraped in religious language.

I have to agree with this.

We have these muslim extremists who kill people in the name of Allah.
http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=7394

We have abortion clinics frequently under some sort of violent threats.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm

One woman in California claimed that God told her to toss her kids into San Francisco Bay.
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/257619.htm

What gives....My God is a Loving God, Peaceful God, and Forgiving God. Why do so many people commit these violent and horrendous acts in the name of God?

All of a sudden I have started to respect you. Bravo. :)

They use it because many of them believe that they are doing the right thing, no matter the consequenses

Any system that has as its central tenant an "Us and Them" mentality can be used to commit violence.

Whether it be I am better than you because I come from country X.

Or I am smarter than you because I have skin colour Y.

Or I am more worthy than you because I follow religion Z.

Or you think you are worth more than me because you have lots of money.

If you set up a system where some people are gonna be considered somehow more valued than others then its a reason for a war.

While I am personaly agnostic, I can see the reason why some peoples would believe in God(s), I believe the message the fundments of religions brings. Most religion talk about love, compassion, tolerance, etc...

BUT, some guys (with bad or good intentions, doesn't matters here) use religions (said above to be good) in a way they can mobilise others to do what they want them to.

My 2 cent resume: While Religions are not FOR war, some influent persons which lead those are.

It's a convenient excuse most of the time, I think. Sure, there are true believers who start wars because they think God told them to, but in most cases, I think it happens because invoking God is a way to get small-minded people on your side, and get them emotionally worked up in a way you could never get them if you were saying that we needed oil for the next thirty years, for instance.

The forces of spirituality and religion do more good for the World then anything else. The religious give more to charity, care more for others, and lead much more content lives than the non-religious do. As far as violent tendencies go, I would remind everybody that the worst mass murderer in history was an atheist. A clear and mature faith in God makes acts of destruction intolerable. All people of every faith should be able to see that. Islam is a religion of peace: I just wish many who claim to be Muslims would actually follow their own faith.....or better yet become Catholic.

Why do so many people commit these violent and horrendous acts in the name of God?

Cause God is too LAZY to come down and commit those violent acts himself.

That's right, I said it! You're too lazy! What are you going to do about it, huh?!?

*is struck by lightning*

*twitches*

Some religions are founded by warriors. Others by The Prince of Peace. What can one say?

Some religions are founded by warriors. Others by The Prince of Peace. What can one say?

Your god was not all peachy keen before his sudden change of roles in the NT.

Your god was not all peachy keen before his sudden change of roles in the NT.

Who cares.

They're fundamentalists, and thus get to ignore the fundamental tenets of their religions.

quoted for truth.

Some religions are founded by warriors. Others by The Prince of Peace. What can one say?

Wow! That was helpful! Look Ma, I found me a troll! Can I keep him?

Who cares.

I don't know people that use that use the bible as a source for their religion, I think one should care that in one part of the collection he is portrayed very differently then in the other part.

Because of their violent, barbarian, mud-hut religions.

The forces of spirituality and religion do more good for the World then anything else. The religious give more to charity, care more for others, and lead much more content lives than the non-religious do. As far as violent tendencies go, I would remind everybody that the worst mass murderer in history was an atheist. A clear and mature faith in God makes acts of destruction intolerable. All people of every faith should be able to see that. Islam is a religion of peace: I just wish many who claim to be Muslims would actually follow their own faith.....or better yet become Catholic.

Sorry kiddo, but Timur the Lame wasn't an atheist.

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I meant no offense to anybody. It is just a statement of fact. Mohammud was a much more violent than Jesus. No way to cut around it.

Tt?

I don't know people that use that use the bible as a source for their religion, I think one should care that in one part of the collection he is portrayed very differently then in the other part.

Which part portrayes him as violent? If neither do your point is irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Sorry kiddo, but Timur the Lame wasn't an atheist.


Well I guess you would think I was talking about him.....if you missed out on the past 500 years....I guess.

Which part portrayes him as violent? If neither do your point is irrelevant to the topic at hand.

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)


Helping kill children that insulted Elisha?

And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)

Ahhh fifty thousand men for looking into the ark ... intrestingly violent

Helping kill children that insulted Elisha?



Ahhh fifty thousand men for looking into the ark ... intrestingly violent

God is inherently peaceful and violent but his commandments are eternal. There is no contradiction.

We have these muslim extremists who kill people in the name of Allah.
http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=7394

We have abortion clinics frequently under some sort of violent threats.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm

One woman in California claimed that God told her to toss her kids into San Francisco Bay.
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/257619.htm

What gives....My God is a Loving God, Peaceful God, and Forgiving God. Why do so many people commit these violent and horrendous acts in the name of God?

Because it works better than violence in the name of Tapioca Pudding. Seriously, people are gonna go crazy and kill people anyway, it just gives them a valid (in their minds) reason.

Because it works better than violence in the name of Tapioca Pudding. Seriously, people are gonna go crazy and kill people anyway, it just gives them a valid (in their minds) reason.

Especially if the founder of your religion happens to be a violent man himself.

We have these muslim extremists who kill people in the name of Allah.
http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=7394

We have abortion clinics frequently under some sort of violent threats.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm

One woman in California claimed that God told her to toss her kids into San Francisco Bay.
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/257619.htm

What gives....My God is a Loving God, Peaceful God, and Forgiving God. Why do so many people commit these violent and horrendous acts in the name of God?


Because despite people's insistence that they worship God, and bow to the will of God, they more often than not worship their religion. They bow to the will of their clergy. No matter how you slice it, religion is corrupted by the mob mentality. I've met very few with faith AND who attend mass worship and still manage to differentiate between the will of their God, and the will of their church. *nod*

Because it works better than violence in the name of Tapioca Pudding. Seriously, people are gonna go crazy and kill people anyway, it just gives them a valid (in their minds) reason.

The difference is that Tapioca Pudding doesn't teach us to be peaceful and love our fellow man. In fact, Tapioca Pudding wants us to go crazy and kill people. That, and spray some whipped cream on it.

It also likes it when I throw it at people. :)

I blame violent Christian video games like Left behind

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6178055.stm

distributed by churches.

So they can blame god and avoid any messy concepts like "personal responsibility" It works in almost any cicumstance.

We have these muslim extremists who kill people in the name of Allah.
http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=7394

We have abortion clinics frequently under some sort of violent threats.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm

One woman in California claimed that God told her to toss her kids into San Francisco Bay.
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/257619.htm

What gives....My God is a Loving God, Peaceful God, and Forgiving God. Why do so many people commit these violent and horrendous acts in the name of God?

Ahhhh I know this one. Becuase the people that do this sort of thing are actualy stupid people.

Religion is an absolute concept. This makes it particularly easy to abuse.

There is no proof of God's will, commandments, thoughts, wishes, desires, etc. etc. etc., so it's a lot easier to disguise selfish motives, or just plain sociopathic tendencies as the inscrutible word of The Big Man Upstairs because no-one can question you.

Religion is just a way that humanity dresses up our ideologies in something bigger than this world to make them more attractive. This goes for good ones as well as bad.

I blame it all on the unquestioning nature of religious belief. This isn't necessary negative, it just leaves religion open to massive abuses, as I already said.
"You can change an idea, but beliefs....people die for those."
~Dogma

God is inherently peaceful and violent but his commandments are eternal. There is no contradiction.

The Book of Judges. The People of Judea are condemned to centuries of enslavement, save only during the reigns of the various Judges, for violating God's Commandment.

So far, so good. But what was the commandment they broke? They failed to commit genocide on all of the other peoples of Palestine.

Inherently peaceful my ass.

God is inherently peaceful and violent but his commandments are eternal. There is no contradiction.

I think you'll find that being peaceful contradicts being violent.

What gives....My God is a Loving God, Peaceful God, and Forgiving God. Why do so many people commit these violent and horrendous acts in the name of God?
They do so for exactly the same reasons why people commit violent acts in general. God-belief is an afterthought, an excuse, which people drag out and use to excuse the decisions they've already made. God-belief is a justification for the morality they've already decided to hold. God-belief is a prop for the actions they've already committed to.

Just think about it: do you really believe that you can take a peaceful, non-violent person, add in some God-belief, and all of a sudden they will be violent? Of course not. God-belief isn't what makes these people violent, it's just a handy way for them to get away with it. "God told me to" is still accepted and even respected in much of the world.

Unless I've missed a post just about everyone has missed the mark here, some are close though.

The majority of humans have a NEED for a belief system to which they can ascribe all the things that they don't understand. Years ago there were gods for the rivers, the sea, the sky, the wind, the sun etc. They had no concept of how things worked thus when a river broke its banks and flooded the plains which were good for crop growing and killed few people it meant that the "River God was angry at them" for some reason.

People have this need to a varying strength but in many many people it is very strong. Thus they believe whole heartedly in the dogma they were brought up on or instructed in by someone with very good people skills. Because of the large number of "True Believers" an individual or group of individuals can use this as a powerbase to gain a large ammount of support for whatever activity they wish to condone as long as they get their "Public Relations" right.

Leaders will wrap interpretations of scriptures or dogma with a lot of established and supported ideas which help carry the new idea and give it strenth and support. Thus the general populace believe that what they are being told to do is "the right thing to do" and in the case of war a soldier fighting for a belief is much harder to beat than a soldier fighting for money. It doesn't matter what the belief is, whether it's a so called patriotism or a guaranteed place in heaven. A soldier under this effect is much much more willing to give his life, to the extent that he or she may even be willing (in the modern age) to detonate an explosive device in a populated area.

THAT is why wars are fought in the name of religion, because its the easiest ideal with which to manipulate your forces.


Please understand that I'm trying my best to word this carefully and NOT point any fingers at anyone or anyone's religion.

We have these muslim extremists who kill people in the name of Allah.
http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=7394

We have abortion clinics frequently under some sort of violent threats.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm

One woman in California claimed that God told her to toss her kids into San Francisco Bay.
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/257619.htm

What gives....My God is a Loving God, Peaceful God, and Forgiving God. Why do so many people commit these violent and horrendous acts in the name of God?

Because they can say, "God made me do it" or "It was preordained by God that I do this".

Of course, you end up with the police saying this:

http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/media/calvinist.jpg

Because they can say, "God made me do it" or "It was preordained by God that I do this".

Of course, you end up with the police saying this:

http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/media/calvinist.jpg

You really like that picture, don't you?

I blame violent Christian video games like Left behind

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6178055.stm

distributed by churches.

And have you actually played the game? No? I thought not. The object of the game is not to kill people but convert them. Jeez. This is why I hate the media.

You really like that picture, don't you?

Yes, because it points out the major problem with predestination.

And have you actually played the game? No? I thought not. The object of the game is not to kill people but convert them. Jeez. This is why I hate the media.

Okay so you didn't get the irony about calling for a video game to be banned. Jeez.

Any system that has as its central tenant an "Us and Them" mentality can be used to commit violence.
This is true, and something that some religious figures, such as Jesus and Buddha, attempted to surmount.

As far as violent tendencies go, I would remind everybody that the worst mass murderer in history was an atheist.
Indeed, a lot of people forget that far, far more people have been murdered because of political ideologies (often by atheists) than for religious ideas.

And have you actually played the game? No? I thought not. The object of the game is not to kill people but convert them. Jeez. This is why I hate the media.

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Behind:_Eternal_Forces) disagrees.
the forces of good seek to convert to fundamentalist Christianity or else kill all the city's inhabitants and in which there are no noncombatants
The official "Left Behind: Eternal Forces" game description exhorts players to "wage a war of apocalyptic proportions" and "Conduct physical & spiritual warfare : using the power of prayer to strengthen your troops in combat and wield modern military weaponry" and "Command your forces through intense battles across a breathtaking, authentic depiction of New York City". Screenshots first distributed by the company to promote the game showed bodies laying in the NYC streets and soldiers firing on civilians.
Armed conflict involving "more than 30 units types" is an integral aspect of the game
A number of analyses of the game have raised concern that the game depicts a religious war in which the residents of New York City must convert to fundamentalist Christianity or die

Indeed, a lot of people forget that far, far more people have been murdered because of political ideologies (often by atheists) than for religious ideas.

What does this have to do with people committing violence in the name of their particular deity?

And have you actually played the game? No? I thought not. The object of the game is not to kill people but convert them. Jeez. This is why I hate the media.
I've played the game. I found it charming that you lose points for murdering non-believers, but a few moments of prayer will recover those points.

Such a wonderful lesson, don't you think? Kill all the heathen you want, and then just mutter to yourself for a few seconds and all is forgiven!

Personally I think it's wonderful with The Faithful make games like that one. Far from wanting to ban them, I hope to encourage The Faithful to publicly display their irrational fears and hatred for all to see, and I am delighted that so many people are eager to announce their hypocracy to the world.

What gives....My God is a Loving God, Peaceful God, and Forgiving God. Why do so many people commit these violent and horrendous acts in the name of God?

Because they don't really know God, and they follow leaders whom they assume are inspired that incite them to acts of violence; Leaders who use religion as a tool to control their followers, or perhaps their leaders are just as dilluded as those that follow them. A great number of people have an over developed sense of vengence (which they usually call justice), they believe because a person or group are doing something that offends their values, that they are justified in what ever evil action that they have it in their hearts to do to them. They make people that do or believe certain things into non-people, "your one of 'those people'", they will say in their heart, thereby dehumanising you and justifying them in persecuting and abusing you.

"When you find a spirit that wants bloodshed--murder, the same is not of God, but is of the devil." (from The Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith)

"Behold, this is not my doctrine, to stir up the hearts of men with anger, one against another; but this is my doctrine, that such things should be done away." (3rd Nephi 11:30 (http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/30#30))

I've played the game. I found it charming that you lose points for murdering non-believers, but a few moments of prayer will recover those points.

Such a wonderful lesson, don't you think? Kill all the heathen you want, and then just mutter to yourself for a few seconds and all is forgiven!

Yes. It is called forgiveness. Something that is actually taught in the Bible. Go figure that it would be in the game.

The Bible and Quran are filled with wars, religious wars.

The only Abrahamic figure who can be show to be against war is Jesus.

Matthew 10:34: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Matthew 10:34: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

If you put that in context (tough for a hater to do) you will see that it is a metaphore. He is talking about how love for Jesus and God is more important than love of family. He is not supporting physical violence.

I am really sick of people taking out of context bible quotes to try to slander Christianity on this thread.

Yes. It is called forgiveness. Something that is actually taught in the Bible. Go figure that it would be in the game.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I think it's totally consistent with some Christian theology. I just happen to think that theology is pathetic and cowardly.

The really ironic thing about many of the wars that are fought in the name of religion is that those on opposing sides are fighting in the name of the same god, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, a god who in reality is a god of love and peace.

Here are some examples (though some do include other issues):
Palestinians blowing up Israelis (in the name of Islam (and land)); Israeli army killing Palestinians (in the name of Judaism (and land))
The Crusades (Christianity vs Islam)
Ireland in the 1980s - 90s (2 types of Chrisianity against each other)
Present-day terrorists blowing people up (in the name of Islam); George Bush claiming "God Bless America" and invading Afghanistan and Iraq (Christianity)

The other issues in the examples above further show how religion is often used as an excuse.

Well, some religions are founded by warriors who have sex with a 9 year old. others are founded by the Prince of Peace. What can I say.

The really ironic thing about many of the wars that are fought in the name of religion is that those on opposing sides are fighting in the name of the same god, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, a god who in reality is a god of love and peace.

Here are some examples (though some do include other issues):
Palestinians blowing up Israelis (in the name of Islam (and land)); Israeli army killing Palestinians (in the name of Judaism (and land))
The Crusades (Christianity vs Islam)
Ireland in the 1980s - 90s (2 types of Chrisianity against each other)
Present-day terrorists blowing people up (in the name of Islam); George Bush claiming "God Bless America" and invading Afghanistan and Iraq (Christianity)

The other issues in the examples above further show how religion is often used as an excuse.

Yeah, the Afganistan invasion had nothing to do with 9/11
Yeah, the Iraq invasion had nothing to do with the broken cease fire.

It wasnt the Democrat Senate that passed the use of force resolutions.
It was George Bush and his belief in God.

Welcome to the land of oz.

Well, some religions are founded by warriors who have sex with a 9 year old. others are founded by the Prince of Peace. What can I say.

You could say, "LOL LOOK AT ME! LOL!"

It would be more honest.

You could say, "LOL LOOK AT ME! LOL!"

It would be more honest.

Are you trying to say what I claimed was not true? Because it is. It is not opinion, it is fact.

Are you trying to say what I claimed was not true? Because it is. It is not opinion, it is fact.

Oh, well your rectum has spiders breeding and hatching in it.

That's not opinion - it's fact!

Oh, well your rectum has spiders breeding and hatching in it.

That's not opinion - it's fact!

I have sources you do not. You must be a jackass, because you know what I am saying is true and the only way you can cover yourself is to divert attention.

I too have played Eternal Forces, and it is a violent game befitting one of the miscreant religions based on the Hebrew war god.

Well, some religions are founded by warriors who have sex with a 9 year old. others are founded by the Prince of Peace. What can I say.

What? I for one would love to know which religions you are talking about?

Are you trying to say what I claimed was not true? Because it is. It is not opinion, it is fact.

The "9-year old" is in fact disputed - but since nobody seems to deny she was a teenager while the prophet was well over 50 I tend to agree.

However, the whole "prince of peace" part is somewhat less factual.

Bottom line: Islam is violent and tolerates violence because it is a "religion" that was founded by a very violent man.

I have sources you do not. You must be a jackass, because you know what I am saying is true and the only way you can cover yourself is to divert attention.

Oh, you wouldn't believe the sources I have. You must certainly be having mental-emotional difficulties, because you know what I am saying is true and the only way you can cover yourself is to divert attention.

Also, I'm the Prince of Peace, but I haven't founded any religions yet. Religions are for weak-minded people who need spiritual crutches so they can get it up.

The "9-year old" is in fact disputed - but since nobody seems to deny she was a teenager while the prophet was well over 50 I tend to agree.

Mary was about 14, and the Holy Ghost was as old as time.

:shock:

What? I for one would love to know which religions you are talking about?

I am directly comparing Jesus to Muhammud.

The "9-year old" is in fact disputed - but since nobody seems to deny she was a teenager while the prophet was well over 50 I tend to agree.

However, the whole "prince of peace" part is somewhat less factual.

Jesus never attacked a city to spread his faith. And woman that I am talking about said she was 9 when she had sex with Muhammud. There are dozens of other sources that back up her claim.

If you put that in context (tough for a hater to do) you will see that it is a metaphore. He is talking about how love for Jesus and God is more important than love of family. He is not supporting physical violence.

I am really sick of people taking out of context bible quotes to try to slander Christianity on this thread.

Ok, post it in context.

Mary was about 14, and the Holy Ghost was as old as time.

:shock:

That's just.... indecent!

Clearly, the Bottom line: Christianity is violent and tolerates violence because it is a "religion" that was founded in pedophilia and violence.

Mary was about 14, and the Holy Ghost was as old as time.

:shock:

But we are atta-eeehm "comparing" prophets now. Not the Gods they represented ;)

Oh, you wouldn't believe the sources I have. You must certainly be having mental-emotional difficulties, because you know what I am saying is true and the only way you can cover yourself is to divert attention.

Also, I'm the Prince of Peace, but I haven't founded any religions yet. Religions are for weak-minded people who need spiritual crutches so they can get it up.


And that would mean atheists are people who don't want to get up. Lie there and die. Sounds like fun.

Mary was about 14, and the Holy Ghost was as old as time.

:shock:

That is called speculation. The woman I am referring to we have specific age information on. Once again more slander of Christianity.

Ok, post it in context.

Just go ahead and read the rest of the paragraph from your source that you apparently have right in front of you for crying out loud.

That's just.... indecent!

Clearly, the Bottom line: Christianity is violent and tolerates violence because it is a "religion" that was founded in pedophilia and violence.

More slander and hatred without facts to back it up.

And that would mean atheists are people who don't want to get up. Lie there and die. Sounds like fun.

Not at all. It means atheists don't need crutches in order to get up.

Sorry. You'll have to at least try to use your brain if you want to offend me. Raw stupidity doesn't offend me so much anymore.

More slander and hatred without facts to back it up.

So far as many facts as you have provided

Jesus never attacked a city to spread his faith.

You are assuming his lifes description is accurate. Considering there is no evidence to show he actually lived at all that is quite bold.

And woman that I am talking about said she was 9 when she had sex with Muhammud. There are dozens of other sources that back up her claim.

Actually most sources make clear Aisha could not have been 9 based on her lifes description. She for instance describes people rising to power before her marriage, while she was 12 when the rising happened.
However, 12-16 with a 50 year old still is too young IMO.

Then again, in the days of the Roman empire that was the norm.

Not at all. It means atheists don't need crutches in order to get up.

Sorry. You'll have to at least try to use your brain if you want to offend me. Raw stupidity doesn't offend me so much anymore.

Atheism is the opiate of the liberal. Nobody is watching from above as babies are slaughtered.

Just go ahead and read the rest of the paragraph from your source that you apparently have right in front of you for crying out loud.

Nope. I'm not all that interested.

So far as many facts as you have provided

1) Jesus never attacked a city to spread his faith. Muhammad did.
2) Jesus taught meekness and humility. Muhammud was a warrior.
3) jesus taught chastity and virtue. Muhammad was a child marrying polygamist.

Atheism is the opiate of the liberal. Nobody is watching from above as babies are slaughtered.

An opiate? So you're saying atheism binds to and activates μ-opioid receptors in the brain, spinal cord, stomach and intestine?

But we are atta-eeehm "comparing" prophets now. Not the Gods they represented ;)
Hey, one could at least argue that a prophet is human and therefore flawed or limited in some way. But if God is a pedophile, what's His excuse?

You are assuming his lifes description is accurate. Considering there is no evidence to show he actually lived at all that is quite bold.



Actually most sources make clear Aisha could not have been 9 based on her lifes description. She for instance describes people rising to power before her marriage, while she was 12 when the rising happened.
However, 12-16 with a 50 year old still is too young IMO.

Then again, in the days of the Roman empire that was the norm.


After that first comment I now see the kind of land of OZ that you are living in. I guess he was a mass delusion of some kind...like a UFO.

That is called speculation. The woman I am referring to we have specific age information on. Once again more slander of Christianity.
Hey, I'm just going by what Christian religious texts say about Mary. If you want to claim that Christian holy texts are "speculation" you aren't going to get any objection from me. I think 99% of Christianity is pure speculation. :D

Atheism is the opiate of the liberal. Nobody is watching from above as babies are slaughtered.
No, no. Atheism is the pot of the liberal. Opioids tend to reduce appetite, while atheism only increases our insatiable hunger for babyflesh.

I am directly comparing Jesus to Muhammud.

Ohhh comparing prohets.

Personaly I like the one who said.

I am neither Muslim, nor Hindu,worship of God is the important thing all other rights and rituals are meaningless, if you are a Muslim, then be a proper Muslim, and if you are a Hindu, then be a proper Hindu, it matters not what you call God coz all Gods are the same one.

Any ideas?:D

1) Jesus never attacked a city to spread his faith. Muhammad did.
2) Jesus taught meekness and humility. Muhammud was a warrior.
3) jesus taught chastity and virtue. Muhammad was a child marrying polygamist.

Hmmm the first two God himself did in the OT ... interesting

Atheism is the opiate of the liberal. Nobody is watching from above as babies are slaughtered.

Why do you consider this a baby?

http://i10.tinypic.com/2hda1kl.gif

That's a blastocyst. It's where stem cells are harvested. Is that clump of cells worth protecting at the cost of the suffering of so many sick people? If so, your lack of morality disgusts me. You seriously do deserve hell.

Hey, one could at least argue that a prophet is human and therefore flawed or limited in some way. But if God is a pedophile, what's His excuse?

He has no choice ? There is after all noone of similar age available.

He has no choice ? There is after all noone of similar age available.
There may be nobody of eternal age for him, but that doesn't mean there is nobody past the age of consent. He could still choose to have relations only with consenting adult humans, as opposed to knocking up little girls who have barely reached puberty.

Then again, we have only one report of God having sex with anybody, right? So maybe God is an insecure or inexperienced fellow, and he wanted to do it with a virgin so she wouldn't have any basis for comparison. How embarassing would it be if you were the All Powerful Creator Of The Universe, and she says, "Is that all?"

After that first comment I now see the kind of land of OZ that you are living in. I guess he was a mass delusion of some kind...like a UFO.

Do you believe Hercules existed ?

Are you aware that quite a few stories in the Bible are based on the stories from other religions, but with the people changed ? Noahs Arc is an excellent example. As is a certain boy in a basket on a river.
Are you aware that some Mithras myths, that far predate Christianity, state he was born out of a virgin, died on the cross and rose again after three days ?

The Bible is a "best of religion" anthology. Not an accurate historical work.

Why do you consider this a baby?

http://i10.tinypic.com/2hda1kl.gif

That's a blastocyst. It's where stem cells are harvested. Is that clump of cells worth protecting at the cost of the suffering of so many sick people? If so, your lack of morality disgusts me. You seriously do deserve hell.

I would personally say that after the first trimester it is a baby, thus I support embroyic stem cell research. I believe this because of my faith, and I also believe that there is no logical way to discuss hedge issues like this, so it should not be in policy to begin with.

There may be nobody of eternal age for him, but that doesn't mean there is nobody past the age of consent. He could still choose to have relations only with consenting adult humans, as opposed to knocking up little girls who have barely reached puberty.

Maybe God believes that Him creating everyone gives him the right to decide what is right and wrong, instead of the objective reasoning you use ? ;)

Maybe God believes that Him creating everyone gives him the right to decide what is right and wrong, instead of the objective reasoning you use ? ;)
That's entirely possible. I have never denied that it is possible that God is a total asshole. :D

Are you aware that some Mithras myths, that far predate Christianity, state he was born out of a virgin, died on the cross and rose again after three days ?

The Bible is a "best of religion" anthology. Not an accurate historical work.

That is ludicrous, prove it.

That is ludicrous, prove it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithra

"By at least the Hellenistic era, Mithra was identified as the son of Anahita, a goddess with extensive parallels to Near Eastern mother-deities who is not mentioned in the early Avesta. The largest temple with a Mithraic connection is the Seleucid temple at Kangavar in western Iran (c. 200 BC), which is dedicated to "Anahita, the Immaculate Virgin Mother of the Lord Mithras".

That is ludicrous, prove it.

Visit a library. I suggest starting with Ovids metamorpheses for the Noahs arc myth, and the Egyptian book of the living (may be incorrectly called the book of the death) for the basket on the river. Then start researching the fringe gods of that time and the Eras before.

The Bible really is not that original. A good read, but not an original one.

nothing in the article says anything like that, besides, I do not trust Wikipedia, it is too easily edited.

nothing in the article says anything like that, besides, I do not trust Wikipedia, it is too easily edited.

Heheh sooo that makes it about the same as The Bible then?:eek:

Heheh sooo that makes it about the same as The Bible then?:eek:

since when did this become a thread about gang-raping christianity buddy, there is just as many violent atheists, and even more violent muslims as violence Christians, so you all need to just look at other religions (and non-prophet organizations like atheism) as well as Christianity. I can't stand how people are allowed to take pop shots at Christianity all day long, but when someone draws a fucking cartoon of Mohammad, mass riots go down in the Muslim world. Have you ever thought about that, Jesus is mocked in print all day long, but we don't go around killing rabbis and clerics.

nothing in the article says anything like that, besides, I do not trust Wikipedia, it is too easily edited.

Fine bury your head in the sand ... I would recommend you go actually read the texts suggested but doubtful you will actualy go do it


If you want to see other examples of immaculate conceptions in religous mythology look at Perseus, he was also immaculately conceived son of princess Danae


Or how about Dionysus (Bacchus) born to the virgin Semele

Or Gilgamesh also miraculously concived

since when did this become a thread about gang-raping christianity buddy, there is just as many violent atheists, and even more violent muslims as violence Christians, so you all need to just look at other religions (and non-prophet organizations like atheism) as well as Christianity. I can't stand how people are allowed to take pop shots at Christianity all day long, but when someone draws a fucking cartoon of Mohammad, mass riots go down in the Muslim world. Have you ever thought about that, Jesus is mocked in print all day long, but we don't go around killing rabbis and clerics.

Want a cookie or something?

since when did this become a thread about gang-raping christianity buddy, there is just as many violent atheists, and even more violent muslims as violence Christians, so you all need to just look at other religions (and non-prophet organizations like atheism) as well as Christianity. I can't stand how people are allowed to take pop shots at Christianity all day long, but when someone draws a fucking cartoon of Mohammad, mass riots go down in the Muslim world. Have you ever thought about that, Jesus is mocked in print all day long, but we don't go around killing rabbis and clerics.

In truth though people are allowed to take potshots at anybody they please. Isn't this what our Grandads died to protect?

In truth though people are allowed to take potshots at anybody they please. Isn't this what our Grandads died to protect?

Not true, Dave Chappelle can make jokes about white people all he wants on his show, but if a sitcom has even the slightest racial stereotype, they are taken of the air, it is the dichotomy of our society, not that I am racist, by the way.

since when did this become a thread about gang-raping christianity buddy,
Okay, normally I just have a giggle at the Christian cry babies who whine about how mean it is when people pick on Jeebus, but this pisses me off.

Gang rape is serious, jackass. To compare the discussion of Christianity on this thread to gang rape is a pile of shit. Get the fuck over yourself.

Your self-pity and whining is pathetic, which wouldn't normally piss me off in and of itself, but I'm sick and tired of pampered, sheltered little Christian boys comparing normal criticism to some kind of abuse. The Jesus that I've read about in the Bible would smack you upside the head for being such a self-centered, ignorant, rude little creep.

Not true, Dave Chappelle can make jokes about white people all he wants on his show, but if a sitcom has even the slightest racial stereotype, they are taken of the air, it is the dichotomy of our society, not that I am racist, by the way.
So you are mad you cant make racist jokes?

Gang rape is serious, jackass.

That it is, however, it was a caffiene induced metaphor (I just had a cup of coffee after my run)
Your self-pity and whining is pathetic, which wouldn't normally piss me off in and of itself, but I'm sick and tired of pampered, sheltered little Christian boys comparing normal criticism to some kind of abuse. The Jesus that I've read about in the Bible would smack you upside the head for being such a self-centered, ignorant, rude little creep.

You still have not adress my arguement, why is it considered a natural occurance for Muslims to go bonkers over a cartoon, but when I make a simple online rant, I get jumped like white on rice? Can you justify that?

Okay, normally I just have a giggle at the Christian cry babies who whine about how mean it is when people pick on Jeebus, but this pisses me off.

Gang rape is serious, jackass. To compare the discussion of Christianity on this thread to gang rape is a pile of shit. Get the fuck over yourself.

Your self-pity and whining is pathetic, which wouldn't normally piss me off in and of itself, but I'm sick and tired of pampered, sheltered little Christian boys comparing normal criticism to some kind of abuse. The Jesus that I've read about in the Bible would smack you upside the head for being such a self-centered, ignorant, rude little creep.

rape not funny at all i lost a mate after he find his lady rape and murdered

That it is, however, it was a caffiene induced metaphor (I just had a cup of coffee after my run)

Blaming your bad behavior on what you had to drink is even more pathetic.


You still have not adress my arguement, why is it considered a natural occurance for Muslims to go bonkers over a cartoon, but when I make a simple online rant, I get jumped like white on rice? Can you justify that?
"Justify"? Justify what? That people on a fucking internet forum spaz out at EVERYTHING?!

Dude, you are not special. I could post a thread saying, "I like butter on my toast," and I could probably get at least two or three people telling me I'm a fucking moron who should be shot on sight.

You've posted some BS and people have pointed out that it's BS. (You also are getting holier-than-thou on this thread while bragging about how you're fucking one girl to get back at another girl on another front-page thread.) If you can't handle people criticizing Christianity then you'd better just give up on using the internet at all. If you can't handle people arguing with you, then I suggest you find a nice quite rock on the moon that you can hide under.

Get over yourself, and quit acting like you've got it rough. You don't.

And, while you're at it, offer up a sincere and humble apology to the actual victims of gang rape. You have absolutely no idea what it is like to suffer that fate, so kindly never presume to use it as a metaphor for your personal problems again.

Blaming your bad behavior on what you had to drink is even more pathetic.

It worked for Kramer, Foley and Gibson, I figured I might as well try it, but that arguement is for another time, another place.


"Justify"? Justify what? That people on a fucking internet forum spaz out at EVERYTHING?!

Dude, you are not special. I could post a thread saying, "I like butter on my toast," and I could probably get at least two or three people telling me I'm a fucking moron who should be shot on sight.

You've posted some BS and people have pointed out that it's BS. (You also are getting holier-than-thou on this thread while bragging about how you're fucking one girl to get back at another girl on another front-page thread.) If you can't handle people criticizing Christianity then you'd better just give up on using the internet at all. If you can't handle people arguing with you, then I suggest you find a nice quite rock on the moon that you can hide under.

Get over yourself, and quit acting like you've got it rough. You don't.

And, while you're at it, offer up a sincere and humble apology to the actual victims of gang rape. You have absolutely no idea what it is like to suffer that fate, so kindly never presume to use it as a metaphor for your personal problems again.[/QUOTE]

Still, you haven't answered my question, do you know why Muslims are given a get out of jail free card, while I have been flamed by tons of people on this forum over a few comments I have made.

You still have not adress my arguement, why is it considered a natural occurance for Muslims to go bonkers over a cartoon, but when I make a simple online rant, I get jumped like white on rice? Can you justify that?

That's not much of an argument. In fact it may be a simple Tu Quoque fallacy. Whether Muslims "go bonkers" or not has nothing to do with why we "jump on" on your online rant, they are independent things. So I think your comparison of the two is nothing more than an attempt to show how superior you are to - presumably - all Muslims. Chest-thumping, you see.

It is a comparison, of the reaction of people to Muslim violence, and Christian violence

It is a comparison, of the reaction of people to Muslim violence, and Christian violence

Right. A comparison. See above.

If you put that in context (tough for a hater to do) you will see that it is a metaphore. He is talking about how love for Jesus and God is more important than love of family. He is not supporting physical violence.

I am really sick of people taking out of context bible quotes to try to slander Christianity on this thread.

Well, some religions are founded by warriors who have sex with a 9 year old. others are founded by the Prince of Peace. What can I say.

Who's the hater here? All I've heard from you is hatred, chauvinism, and malice. If you as a christian are anything to go by, your prince of peace is not someone I would want to associate with or even be in the same room with for that matter.