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Are there left-wing sith and right wing sith in the Star Wars universe?

IF so which one would you vote for?

Aren't all sith supposed to believe something about taking over the universe and "RARR I AM SITH, YOU DIE NOW."....?

The writing of Star Wars is so convoluted and devoid of any real focus that I really don't much care for it anymore.

So, I really can't answer your question. I suppose that Uncle George would be able to come up with some completely idiotic answer, though.

Aren't all sith supposed to believe something about taking over the universe and "RARR I AM SITH, YOU DIE NOW."....?

Well there are lefty I want things to go my way like Vader and traditional ones like Sideous who devoutly follows his master's traditions in the dark side.

The sith are new labour.

Aren't all sith supposed to believe something about taking over the universe and "RARR I AM SITH, YOU DIE NOW."....?

That sounds very, very right-wing, if that helps the flow on this particular thread.

That sounds very, very right-wing, if that helps the flow on this particular thread.

Yes but Vader was the wishy washy I want my way kind so there are lefty ones, plus the left wingers want everyone like them, and to dominate like right wingers do, explain why else the wars against communism sparked in the east during the past five decades and explaine the wars between Russia and China. Left wingers want power too.

Yes but Vader was the wishy washy I want my way kind so there are lefty ones, plus the left wingers want everyone like them, and to dominate like right wingers do, explain why else the wars against communism sparked in the east during the past five decades and explaine the wars between Russia and China. Left wingers want power too.
Left wingers want everyone like them?
So "appreciation of diversity" and "political correctness" are assimilation techniques, in your estimation? :confused:

Left wingers want everyone like them?
So "appreciation of diversity" and "political correctness" are assimilation techniques, in your estimation? :confused:

Well people who aren't left enough where I am tend to be pestered by liberal propaganda, some liberals actually want you to join them and become like them.

Well there are lefty I want things to go my way like Vader and traditional ones like Sideous who devoutly follows his master's traditions in the dark side.

Vader was a pussy under Palpatine's thumb.

Well people who aren't left enough where I am tend to be pestered by liberal propaganda, some liberals actually want you to join them and become like them.

...

Okay *leaves thread*

Well people who aren't left enough where I am tend to be pestered by liberal propaganda, some liberals actually want you to join them and become like them.

M'kay ... forgive that I don't know you so well, but where are you that this comes up in such fashion, if you don't mind me asking?

M'kay ... forgive that I don't know you so well, but where are you that this comes up in such fashion, if you don't mind me asking?

Washington (one over Oregon) Arlington. Scary place :eek: :( :headbang:

Washington (one over Oregon) Arlington. Scary place :eek: :( :headbang:

Scary because of the liberals?
Scary because of the undying love affair with the corpse of Kurt Cobain?
Scary because of the conservatives?

Washington tolerates people too much. Some things they say are scary like "they can break **such and such** law if they want this is America, the cops infringe on our freedom" Brrr...:eek:

Scary because of the liberals?
Scary because of the undying love affair with the corpse of Kurt Cobain?
Scary because of the conservatives?

Both liberals and conservatives! Its a social war zone, everyones trying to recruit and disprove each other. And they're nasty about it too. :(

The Sith creed is innately Right Wing. The sith embody the concept of "Strongest man wins" that the Lasseize Faire ideology also follows.

They are libertarian when they are out of power, and authoritarian when they are in power.

Both liberals and conservatives! Its a social war zone, everyones trying to recruit and disprove each other. And they're nasty about it too. :(

Ah - truly unfortunate. I suppose when one crew decides to put out a contract on america ... er, Contract With America, it is fairly predictable that when that crew of folk start attacking everyone who isn't them, and they come into power, that they would deliberately and assiduously split as much of the populace as they possibly can over things they have no business creating the chasm over in the first place.
Predictable again that the disenfranchised populace would get fed up with it and stop being stomped on. Too late though, i fear.

The Sith creed is innately Right Wing. The sith embody the concept of "Strongest man wins" that the Lasseize Faire ideology also follows.

They are libertarian when they are out of power, and authoritarian when they are in power.

Winner of thread?

Winner of thread?

The Siths fight over the US :eek: *duel of fates comes on*

The Siths fight over the US :eek: *duel of fates comes on*

Same thread? ;)

Same thread? ;)

Yes :D

Yes :D
Gotta get the word out, then.
Admittedly, there's a lotta nerds whose attention you'll garner at first.
The trick may be to let them know your intent (somewhat) earlier than page 2.

I suppose that most Sith were leftish in the sense of expansive and centralized power. *shrugs*

Even as a secularist, I have always interpreted Star Wars in somewhat of a theological/philosophical manner, wherein the Jedi were right-hand pathers focusing on the greater good (humanism) and the Sith represented left-hand path individualism (satanism).

Has anyone else considered a similar interpretation?

I suppose that most Sith were leftish in the sense of expansive and centralized power. *shrugs*

Even as a secularist, I have always interpreted Star Wars in somewhat of a theological/philosophical manner, wherein the Jedi were right-hand pathers focusing on the greater good (humanism) and the Sith represented left-hand path individualism (satanism).

Has anyone else considered a similar interpretation?

I have. Hence the reason I started this thread. To see how many agree with me. :) Here have cookie. :p *hands you cookie*

I'm calling "bait and switch." This thread isn't about Sith. It's about your messed up ideas of political reality :rolleyes:

I'm calling "bait and switch." This thread isn't about Sith. It's about your messed up ideas of political reality :rolleyes:

Its about both, I'm curious as to whether there were lefty and righty siths, now that thats answered I'm completing objective two, engaging in political debate. :cool: Speaking of which, why do you say my views are messed up? :confused:

I'm calling "bait and switch." This thread isn't about Sith. It's about your messed up ideas of political reality :rolleyes:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12082546&postcount=21

Mmmhmmm ...
speaking of "switch", i don't think the right and left hand mentioned earlier are in the correct positions, but oh well.

The Sith creed is innately Right Wing. The sith embody the concept of "Strongest man wins" that the Lasseize Faire ideology also follows.


I may be quite off the mark with this, but if so please correct me:

Aren't the contemporary meanings of "right wing" and "left wing" defined by the size/power of the central authority?

The way that you explain, it seems like the terms describe actual policies, when today it seems that most policies could be either wing, depending on the context of the situation and the method of implementation. For example, you suggested that the Sith were right-wing authoritarians when in power, when absolute central authority sounds like a very statist (left-wing) principle.

I suppose this is as good a time as any to ask for a clarification?

I have. Hence the reason I started this thread. To see how many agree with me. :) Here have cookie. :p *hands you cookie*

*eats cookie, drops crumbs inside of keyboard, curses*

Well there are lefty I want things to go my way like Vader and traditional ones like Sideous who devoutly follows his master's traditions in the dark side.

This right here, mate. What is leftist about "I want things to go my way?" Both sides (ANY side, there's more than two) want that. And you're equating "traditional" with the right? And "devout" as well? Take some poly sci, learn what "left" and "right" stand for before using them in a post.

I suppose this is as good a time as any to ask for a clarification?
Seconded?

*eats cookie, drops crumbs inside of keyboard, curses*

What was that for? I had the alternate curiousity on the sith purpose as well too! :eek:

This is an odd discussion... can you really have varying political agendas when only two Sith ever exist at once and one is the master of the other?

What was that for? I had the alternate curiousity on the sith purpose as well too! :eek:

I was simply indicating that I am tired and clumsy. No harm, no foul :fluffle:

This is an odd discussion... can you really have varying political agendas when only two Sith ever exist at once and one is the master of the other?

Not so. Grievas, Dooku and Sidoeos and that one bald chick existed at the same time during hte clone wars toon series.

This is an odd discussion... can you really have varying political agendas when only two Sith ever exist at once and one is the master of the other?

Yes.

Seconded?

Reseconded? Smart people, save us!

Reseconded? Smart people, save us!

These things have this tendency to work themselves out. :)

This right here, mate. What is leftist about "I want things to go my way?" Both sides (ANY side, there's more than two) want that. And you're equating "traditional" with the right? And "devout" as well? Take some poly sci, learn what "left" and "right" stand for before using them in a post.

Another reason sideous is right wing is because he comes into power the way Hitler did, changes the clone troopers to STORM TROOPERS which was the nazi soldier (hired thugs for the party) before the party was in control of Germany. He made Vader's outfit presumebaly and vader's helmet is much like a German infantryman's. The tie fighters also shared the same color scheme of German WWII fighters. Which leads me to beleive Vader started out as a lefty sith but slowly went to the right.

I think that Siths and Jedis are quite on the right-wing... what a bunch of super-powered fascists!

ALL POWER TO THE GALAXY SOVIET!

Da. In Soviet Galaxy, the Force feels YOU!

I think that Siths and Jedis are quite on the right-wing... what a bunch of super-powered fascists!

ALL POWER TO THE GALAXY SOVIET!

Da. In Soviet Galaxy, the Force feels YOU!

I think the Rebels represent Soviets to an extent, they used to force to reach out with their feelings which is leftish and their symbol has reseblance to a red fist banner. Thus Soviets pwned the empire.

Are there left-wing sith and right wing sith in the Star Wars universe?

IF so which one would you vote for?

The villains of virtually all plots in which some monster, or monstrous person, must be overcome are far right wing characters. Right wing politics are those that stress the importance of hierarchy and order. That's why the first political action in the original Star Wars was to disband the senate and run the empire directly through subordinate executives. The Mulls I believe they were called.

Far right-wingers do this to the exclusion of general welfare. Modern American right-wingers actually disparrage welfare itself. The Emperor did it despite the fact that it encouraged the rebellion. "Gave fuel to the insurgency" to borrow a page from Dick Cheney.

What makes these characters villains is that they see the only purpose of this order and heirarchy as giving him something to hold him in a lofty position. Centrist and center-left people/characters see the purpose of this heirarchy as creating a society that can better provide for the people within it. Or "promote the general welfare" as our Founding Fathers said.

Far Left people see the heirarchy as an evil in itself, but it can become pretty convoluted when you try to make such a character because characters are points of focus. When you have a point of focus in a person you necessarily have a heirarchy. Like the villain of the Left Behind series who is just like George Bush except intelligent, compotent, and European. But of course, to have a villain, he must be compotent which is what will save George Bush from ever being cast as the villain when they start making historical docu-dramas about his administration.

Are there left-wing sith and right wing sith in the Star Wars universe?

IF so which one would you vote for?

Radical left wing - Government (i.e. Sith) controls everything. No freedom for people.

Da. In Soviet Galaxy, the Force feels YOU!

:eek:

Sexual Harassment!

I think the Rebels represent Soviets to an extent, they used to force to reach out with their feelings which is leftish and their symbol has reseblance to a red fist banner. Thus Soviets pwned the empire.

Again, you have a misguided conception of the definition of political "handedness". Are you implying that "righties" are unemotional?