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I know NS is all about allowing freedom of speech, but this site is headed down the slope towards becoming a hell hole.

From MTAE to the rash of racist trolls on this site, we are becoming more and more like Stormfront. I've been saying it for a while now and it looks like I've been right all along.

Hopefully Max Barry and the mods will have the balls to stand up for the reputation of their own site and fix it.

Here Here!

Overstate things much?

Overstate things much?

Perhaps you should check out all of the fucking Holocaust deniers on this site. They aren't worthy of life let alone bandwidth.

There's a better and easier solution for everyone:

If you don't like someone, then don't play with them.

I think that NS goes through a nazi phase every so often.

I know NS is all about allowing freedom of speech, but this site is headed down the slope towards becoming a hell hole.

From MTAE to the rash of racist trolls on this site, we are becoming more and more like Stormfront. I've been saying it for a while now and it looks like I've been right all along.

Hopefully Max Barry and the mods will have the balls to stand up for the reputation of their own site and fix it.

There's nothing wrong with this forum that a taco stand won't cure. :)

since when has NS not been filled with anti-Muslim folk? Are you just doing this now because what with the Genocide discussions Israel is coming under fire?

shoo! pesky censurer shoo! *hits with broom in a non-violent fashion*

There's nothing wrong with this forum that a taco stand won't cure. :)
Yay!:)

There's nothing wrong with this forum that a taco stand won't cure. :)

We're getting a taco stand?

*salivates*

Perhaps you should check out all of the fucking Holocaust deniers on this site. They aren't worthy of life let alone bandwidth.

oh so your against people voicing there opinion in a non-offensive fashion…charming:rolleyes:

Perhaps you should check out all of the fucking Holocaust deniers on this site. They aren't worthy of life let alone bandwidth.

Oh please. It's just that time of year on NS; perhaps Neo-Nazi schools let out early for christmas? Either way, they'll inevitably be deleted in a few weeks for trolling and flaming, as they always do.

funny coming from a racist.

I think that NS goes through a nazi phase every so often.

Yes. It's every year in December and January. This has happened each year that I can recall. It'll clear out just fine by February or so. Always does.

We're getting a taco stand?

*salivates*

Could be. :)

Perhaps you should check out all of the fucking Holocaust deniers on this site. They aren't worthy of life let alone bandwidth.

Major flamebait there.

Perhaps you should check out all of the fucking Holocaust deniers on this site. They aren't worthy of life let alone bandwidth.

All this has happened before and it will all happen again. When I first came to this site, the Nazis practically ruled the joint. It's nothing like that now.

there is an ignore function for those you simply dont get along with.

There's nothing wrong with this forum that a taco stand won't cure. :)

will there be free samples?

Mmm... tacos.

there is an ignore function for those you simply dont get along with.

but thats no fun :(

Yes. It's every year in December and January. This has happened each year that I can recall. It'll clear out just fine by February or so. Always does.

Just in time for the holidays, eh?

I know NS is all about allowing freedom of speech, but this site is headed down the slope towards becoming a hell hole.

From MTAE to the rash of racist trolls on this site, we are becoming more and more like Stormfront. I've been saying it for a while now and it looks like I've been right all along.

Hopefully Max Barry and the mods will have the balls to stand up for the reputation of their own site and fix it.Meh. We survived Indymedia's claim that NS is a neo-nazi breeding ground. We'll survive yours too.

every forum i've ever been on always has people who need to boost up their self esteem by talking about how great the forums used to be and how shitty they are now. give me a break.

every forum i've ever been on always has people who need to boost up their self esteem by talking about how great the forums used to be and how shitty they are now. give me a break.

:eek: get him he's a possible scapegoat!

I know NS is all about allowing freedom of speech, but this site is headed down the slope towards becoming a hell hole.

From MTAE to the rash of racist trolls on this site, we are becoming more and more like Stormfront. I've been saying it for a while now and it looks like I've been right all along.

Hopefully Max Barry and the mods will have the balls to stand up for the reputation of their own site and fix it.

If you go look at the "Holocaust Conference" thread, you'll notice that Arthais, Laerod, Slythros (sorry if I didn't spell that right) and I, and others I forget, have been taking on RuleCaucasia pretty much since the thread opened.

Hey, sometimes you hear what you like and sometimes you just have to go read a book or something. From what I hear about Stormfront, NSG is a walk in the park on a nice summer's day.

I do see what you mean. Id hate for people to read this site over my sholder

will there be free samples?

Virtually free. :)

If you go look at the "Holocaust Conference" thread, you'll notice that Arthais, Laerod, Slythros (sorry if I didn't spell that right) and I, and others I forget, have been taking on RuleCaucasia pretty much since the thread opened.

Hey, sometimes you hear what you like and sometimes you just have to go read a book or something. From what I hear about Stormfront, NSG is a walk in the park on a nice summer's day.

Here's the difference--and why IDF's statement is beyond ludicrous. If you don't agree with the idea of white supremacy at Stormfront, you get kicked out of the site. Here, there's actual debate on the issue, and the Stormfront types are exposed as the mental deficients they are.

Here's the difference--and why IDF's statement is beyond ludicrous. If you don't agree with the idea of white supremacy at Stormfront, you get kicked out of the site. Here, there's actual debate on the issue, and the Stormfront types are exposed as the mental deficients they are.

Pretty much what I thought.

There seems to be a pendulum or sine wave of topics and voices here in NS. I've been here about a year and three-quarters; I've seen some virulent racism come and go, and it never takes too long. Fundamentalism of all sorts tend to bloom and die in regular cycles. The judgmental troll in, and then they troll out again, and those of us who know better enjoy the diversion of pimp-slapping them with the truth while they spin ever more ludicrous rationalizations until they're so far off base, they just fly off into the Webisphere, looking for another place to alight and shit all over.

In short, relax.

There's plenty of 'antis' at Stormfront. There is an entire Guest section open to opposing views. As long as someone doesn't come in flamebaiting and being vulgar or just trolling and spamming they have their threads. That open section is where the very long debate of the Holocaust is located. There are many long time member jews involved in that debate on Stormfront.

There seems to be a pendulum or sine wave of topics and voices here in NS. I've been here about a year and three-quarters; I've seen some virulent racism come and go, and it never takes too long. Fundamentalism of all sorts tend to bloom and die in regular cycles. The judgmental troll in, and then they troll out again, and those of us who know better enjoy the diversion of pimp-slapping them with the truth while they spin ever more ludicrous rationalizations until they're so far off base, they just fly off into the Webisphere, looking for another place to alight and shit all over.

In short, relax.

Heck, I've only been here since July and I've seen that.

Look, Channukah starts Friday, take some time, be with the family, have some fun, come back in a week or so and you'll be refreshed and ready for battle.

I guess there have been a lot of stupid threads coming up, but they always fall back down. It's not like any of the regulars here are doing it either, it's the new people who crash our party that is NSG. Then they leave, and we forget about them a day later.

If it bothers you so much you can always like, turn off the computer and so something else. But hey, just my opinion.

I remember reading a post by IDF which said something in the line of "I dont like Germans" or "I dont like Germany". I forgot which thread that was. So no sympathies here.

The Muslim bashers are in much greater numbers too.

I remember reading a post by IDF which said something in the line of "I dont like Germans" or "I dont like Germany". I forgot which thread that was. So no sympathies here.

The Muslim bashers are in much greater numbers too.

cant rember the thread, but something about germans have pay back for what they did. swell guy.

I know NS is all about allowing freedom of speech, but this site is headed down the slope towards becoming a hell hole.

From MTAE to the rash of racist trolls on this site, we are becoming more and more like Stormfront. I've been saying it for a while now and it looks like I've been right all along.

Here's a tip - it might be a new and original thought to you:

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!

Oh, and I believe you're wrong.

I remember reading a post by IDF which said something in the line of "I dont like Germans" or "I dont like Germany". I forgot which thread that was. So no sympathies here.

The Muslim bashers are in much greater numbers too.

cant rember the thread, but something about germans have pay back for what they did. swell guy.It was the thread about one idiot wanting to sue the Poles for atrocities during WWII against Germans.

There's plenty of 'antis' at Stormfront. There is an entire Guest section open to opposing views. As long as someone doesn't come in flamebaiting and being vulgar or just trolling and spamming they have their threads. That open section is where the very long debate of the Holocaust is located. There are many long time member jews involved in that debate on Stormfront.

A shame they never return the courtesy...

I remember reading a post by IDF which said something in the line of "I dont like Germans" or "I dont like Germany". I forgot which thread that was. So no sympathies here.

The Muslim bashers are in much greater numbers too.

Agreed. IDF hardly holds the high ground.

I know NS is all about allowing freedom of speech, but this site is headed down the slope towards becoming a hell hole.

From MTAE to the rash of racist trolls on this site, we are becoming more and more like Stormfront. I've been saying it for a while now and it looks like I've been right all along.

Hopefully Max Barry and the mods will have the balls to stand up for the reputation of their own site and fix it.

What, no problem with the Muslim bashing, or only problems with those who oppose your favourite cause? Of course I forgot only your web site links actually report the truth:rolleyes:

Freedom of speech, freedom from thought police that's the bottom line here, people post some outrageous things, "Muslim women wear veils because they have a second Uterus under there"-Odergaard(I think that was name)....so what, ignore them if you don't like it

Agreed. IDF hardly holds the high ground.

He systematically calls anyone who disagrees with him an anti-semite too the point where now he has come across a real life one in RealCaucasia, his credibility to tackle him is diminished.

Perhaps you should check out all of the Holocaust deniers on this site. They aren't worthy of life let alone bandwidth.

I think you need to relax. I think they are a little foolish myself, but saying they don't deserve to live is going too far.

I've said it before and I'll say it at least this once more: these sort of angry, vengeful feelings aren't doing you any favors. They (holocaust deniers) aren't really hurting you, and you can always choose not to read the tripe they post if it upsets you that much. What will hurt you is harboring bitterness against them, that will eat you up inside, and if you continue to build upon such feelings it will eventually turn you into a very bitter and miserable person.

I have some experience in this area, and I can say from my experience that I am much happier now that I've decided to let go of such feelings, and to cast them out of my mind when ever I catch them starting to form.

Perhaps you should check out all of the fucking Holocaust deniers on this site. They aren't worthy of life let alone bandwidth.

Or the all the people who advocate the normality of pedophilia as a sexual choice?

Or any other number of other disgusting things.

This is NSG, the "shit" is always waste deep and it always has been.

You have been here long enough, your problem is it didnt bother until this particular group of turds popped up hating Jews.

You had no problem with the other broad ranges of hate and boorish disregard for society.

Only when it suddenly is your group under the iron that you become disappointed.

I am unimpressed and very unsympathetic...

You should have protested from the begining...but you waited until they came for you...and now look, there is no one left who cares.

I dont know about "becoming like stormfront" (IDF unreasonably shrill? perish the thought :rolleyes:), but the forum has gone downhill in the last month or so since the mods have adopted a troll-friendly position.

Banning people who post to be annoying would do wonders for this forum.

So NS always has been, and so NS always will be...

It's usually when someone is personally attacked that the NSSucks/CorruptMods/Everyone'sRacist threads pop up.

We all know that Voltaire quote "I may not like what you have to say..."

I know NS is all about allowing freedom of speech
Yes, yes it is. In fact, we mods are doing EXACTLY what we were asked to do by Max Barry, which is to make this a place where civil discussions about controversial matters can take place. So much for us not having "the balls to stand up for" our site. You do realize that this means that we have to deal with opinions we don't agree with and people we don't agree with and treat them with the same ruleset as people we like and agree with, and vice-versa, yes?

but this site is headed down the slope towards becoming a hell hole. Is it now? funny, compared to other sites, it seems pretty civil to me.

From MTAE Who? That nation no longer exists, for rulebreaking. Hmmm.....

to the rash of racist trolls on this site, we are becoming more and more like Stormfront. I've been saying it for a while now and it looks like I've been right all along.Untrue, and hyperbole. Go look at Stormfront. Then come back here. Different much?

Hopefully Max Barry and the mods will have the balls to stand up for the reputation of their own site and fix it.

We're quite happy with the reputation of our site; if it's a bother to you, then please, go find one with which you'd prefer to be associated. Our job is to enforce the rules and make it possible for people to discuss controversial issues civilly. Do we do that? why yes, yes we do.

It continues to amaze me that people can be very virulent in their own opinions about OTHERS, and their right to express their opinion about others, but when it is THEIR ox being gored, it's the end of civilization as we know it. If we were to ban anti-Semitic discussions here, we'd also have to ban anti-American, anti-European, anti-Asian, Anti-African, anti-Bush, anti-abortion, anti-Christian, anti-Muslim, anti-homosexual, anti-Atheist, anti-war, pro-war, pro-Atheist, pro-homosexual, pro-Muslim, pro-Christian, pro-abortion, Pro-Bush, pro-European, Pro-Asian, Pro-African, Pro-American threads... pretty soon all we'd be able to discuss would be which of the Teletubbies is our favorite one and whether or not Freddy Kreuger could kill Wolverine. No thanks.

We're not the thought police, and last I looked, we ARE doing our job, which does NOT include kowtowing to every individual who thinks his or her agenda is more valid than others'.

Great post, Katganistan.

They aren't worthy of life let alone bandwidth.

Were you talking about hate speech and trolls?

Who truelly cares. I can accept all sorts of ideas and points of view assuming they are at least rooted slighty in the real world and not in the realm of fantasy.

Views of Nazi supports is not something you need to discuss with them or take offense of. Have laugh at their expense and get on with thy life...

From MTAE to the rash of racist trolls on this site, we are becoming more and more like Stormfront.Choose wisely. Don't ride with the whitehoods, ok? Try to be more moderate. Think fairies, and you won't come like Stormfront, surely. WE are coming more and more drunk.

ya know, idf, youre going to come across anti-semitic, anti-israel, holocaust denying assholes your whole life.

ns gives you an easy practice in how to deal with them.

instead of whining about them, take the opportunity to show those who might be influenced by them what the truth is. it will serve you well in the rest of your life.

IDF, for someone who's openly racist and regularily makes bigoted comments towards Germans and Arabs, I'd expect you to be careful about suggesting racists get banned/deleted/censored. When they come for the holocaust deniers and other assorted racists you might just get swept away too.

I know NS is all about allowing freedom of speech, but this site is headed down the slope towards becoming a hell hole.

From MTAE to the rash of racist trolls on this site, we are becoming more and more like Stormfront. I've been saying it for a while now and it looks like I've been right all along.

Hopefully Max Barry and the mods will have the balls to stand up for the reputation of their own site and fix it.

There are going to be people whose beliefs will just piss you off and you need to deal with it. The majority of people on NS hardly have the beliefs that trolls such as MTAE have. And you know that just because people see faults in Israel's policies doesn't make them anti-Semites. The country isn't perfect but you seem to believe that when people make some valid criticisms of Israel then it is proof that the poster hates Jews. This simply isn't true and you need to realize this.

... the forum has gone downhill in the last month or so since the mods have adopted a troll-friendly position.

Personally speaking, I honestly welcome any increased diversity of opinion that this brings to NSG.

ya know, idf, youre going to come across anti-semitic, anti-israel, holocaust denying assholes your whole life.

ns gives you an easy practice in how to deal with them.

instead of whining about them, take the opportunity to show those who might be influenced by them what the truth is. it will serve you well in the rest of your life.
i've been told I killed Jesus, but I never met a Holocaust denier in my life until NSG.
For once, I agree with IDF. I hardly think that some recent behaviour, i.e., being told I should be murdered because I'm Jewish, constitutes 'civil discussion'. Of course, this type of thing is usually why I don't agree with IDF.

I know NS is all about allowing freedom of speech, but this site is headed down the slope towards becoming a hell hole.

From MTAE to the rash of racist trolls on this site, we are becoming more and more like Stormfront. I've been saying it for a while now and it looks like I've been right all along.

Hopefully Max Barry and the mods will have the balls to stand up for the reputation of their own site and fix it.
Horse shit, go find a pro-Israeli, anti-Muslim forum then hypocrite.

In NationStates General, site loses a lot of respect for YOU!

I'm sorry, I simply could not resist.

With regard to an increased troll problem, I must say that I do not see evidence of it. What I do see is trolls being less blatantly trollish in an effort to stay around longer, which is hardly a bad thing.

I also see encouraging open discussion and debate of those with extreme views as a positive thing. I think the trick is to not take them or yourself too seriously.

And as always...

http://img209.exs.cx/img209/2807/pd834lg5kv.jpg

Remember kids, only you can prevent forum fires.

Great post.
I disagree.
... just because I apparently can...
Yay! No Mod intervention.
Go NSG!
NSG rules over Stormfront ever so slightly!
Uhhh... I'm a bush of a cheerleader....

I know NS is all about allowing freedom of speech, but this site is headed down the slope towards becoming a hell hole.

From MTAE to the rash of racist trolls on this site, we are becoming more and more like Stormfront. I've been saying it for a while now and it looks like I've been right all along.

Hopefully Max Barry and the mods will have the balls to stand up for the reputation of their own site and fix it.

And the point of this thread is what? To whine about how people who don't think exactly like you don't get banned? why aren't we the special one. There are plenty of other forums where only your viewpoint is allowed. By all means try one of those. Personally I like having you around, as our views are so different.

I disagree.
... just because I apparently can...
Yay! No Mod intervention.
Go NSG!
NSG rules over Stormfront ever so slightly!
Uhhh... I'm a bush of a cheerleader....

What? Ofcourse you can disagree. Did you know who I was saying great post to btw?

I know NS is all about allowing freedom of speech, but this site is headed down the slope towards becoming a hell hole.

From MTAE to the rash of racist trolls on this site, we are becoming more and more like Stormfront. I've been saying it for a while now and it looks like I've been right all along.

Hopefully Max Barry and the mods will have the balls to stand up for the reputation of their own site and fix it.

I'm sorry?
Wait.. what was the point of this?

Freedom of speech is very usefull, it allows you to analyze topics from all angles; if we banned all the racist trolls, who would think of all the radically insane plans to purge humankind?

You've been saying it all along eh? You want prophet status or something?

What? Ofcourse you can disagree. Did you know who I was saying great post to btw?I did and do... but in NSG... I don't give a toss! Cos here I can! (or is it "can't"..?)

This site is blatantly racist against Trolls. I am part troll from my mother's side and find all this anti-troll talk horrible. My Uncle Marty was a full blood troll - he may have lived under a bridge and collected human skulls, but he paid his taxes and fought for his country.

Friggin anti-trollites.

I did and do... but in NSG... I don't give a toss! Cos here I can! (or is it "can't"..?)

Hell if I know man. You keep changing your posts.

I know NS is all about allowing freedom of speech, but this site is headed down the slope towards becoming a hell hole.

From MTAE to the rash of racist trolls on this site, we are becoming more and more like Stormfront. I've been saying it for a while now and it looks like I've been right all along.

Hopefully Max Barry and the mods will have the balls to stand up for the reputation of their own site and fix it.

Well said IDF. Well said indeed. This place does need to be cleaned up.

This site is blatantly racist against Trolls. I am part troll from my mother's side and find all this anti-troll talk horrible. My Uncle Marty was a full blood troll - he may have lived under a bridge and collected human skulls, but he paid his taxes and fought for his country.

Friggin anti-trollites.I feel for ya man.
Nothing much there in the telly for ye trolls. For quarter of NSG posters, there's always the Amazing Racist show.

Yes. It's every year in December and January. This has happened each year that I can recall. It'll clear out just fine by February or so. Always does.

Who are the NAZIs? MTAE is just crazy, IDF is just a zionist, and DCD is well, DCD. Which are teh fascists?

He systematically calls anyone who disagrees with him an anti-semite too the point where now he has come across a real life one in RealCaucasia, his credibility to tackle him is diminished.

IDF's main goal is to bow in every way to Israel and never question their motives for they are pure. Israeli and their people are never guilty of anything because the Holocaust happened and this now gives them a free pass. They should be allowed to deficate on others as they have suffered. If you however mention to him how bad black people suffered in their time, Native Americans, Rwandans, Tibetans, etc. he has no time for them. For they are not Jewish, and IDF is, so his fight must lie with only one cause. It is all the others who are evil while only the Jew is pure. Time and time again he'll call for reperations, punishment, even acts of reprisal against all those who have ever persecuted a Jew. He shares this compassion for no others but his own. Who is the bigger racist here? IDF's hate just comes in a different name and form than many are used to. It is hate nonetheless.

every forum i've ever been on always has people who need to boost up their self esteem by talking about how great the forums used to be and how shitty they are now. give me a break.


Although, this is one of the few forums I've ever encountered where it is as blatantly true as it is here (IMO).

Well said IDF. Well said indeed. This place does need to be cleaned up.
May I be the first to march to the chambers...? May I?

This made me wonder, does Max Barry actually check NSG like IDF suggests? I've not yet figured out which nations are his either.

Who are the NAZIs? MTAE is just crazy, IDF is just a zionist, and DCD is well, DCD. Which are teh fascists?

Here I thought NSG was filled with libertarians...

This made me wonder, does Max Barry actually check NSG like IDF suggests? I've not yet figured out which nations are his either.Yeah, ok. The old "This made me wonder" about Max Barry...
"Does actually check NSG?".. yeah yeah Max. Take it easy now. Inspect away "KatuMAXrkalurkmuBARRYrkstan".
Your secret is safe with...us.

IDF's main goal is to bow in every way to Israel and never question their motives for they are pure. Israeli and their people are never guilty of anything because the Holocaust happened and this now gives them a free pass. They should be allowed to deficate on others as they have suffered. If you however mention to him how bad black people suffered in their time, Native Americans, Rwandans, Tibetans, etc. he has no time for them. For they are not Jewish, and IDF is, so his fight must lie with only one cause. It is all the others who are evil while only the Jew is pure. Time and time again he'll call for reperations, punishment, even acts of reprisal against all those who have ever persecuted a Jew. He shares this compassion for no others but his own. Who is the bigger racist here? IDF's hate just comes in a different name and form than many are used to. It is hate nonetheless.

I understand what you are saying and the reason you are saying it. I can also understand his reason.. a bit....however so self centered, hypocritical or unfair. I can't blame him for sticking up for his people, ideology etc.. , but I can say he is delusional if he thinks everone else is suppose to hold the same position.

Yeah, ok. The old "This made me wonder" about Max Barry...
"Does actually check NSG?".. yeah yeah Max. Take it easy now. Inspect away "KatuMAXrkalurkmuBARRYrkstan".


I don't think I've ever called anyone a troll on here.. but you fit my description of one. Or maybe you come off schizophrenic (the only way I could describe what I was thinking, I'm not implying that you are really a schizo), and I just don't get you.

I know NS is all about allowing freedom of speech, but this site is headed down the slope towards becoming a hell hole.

From MTAE to the rash of racist trolls on this site, we are becoming more and more like Stormfront. I've been saying it for a while now and it looks like I've been right all along.

Hopefully Max Barry and the mods will have the balls to stand up for the reputation of their own site and fix it.

Just back from seeing stormfront for the first time. Excuse me for a second.

*vomits*

Alright. With that, NS is nowhere near the likes of that utter bullshit. Idiots, one and all over there. At the very least we have intelligent people here.

Yes, yes it is. In fact, we mods are doing EXACTLY what we were asked to do by Max Barry, which is to make this a place where civil discussions about controversial matters can take place... [snip] we ARE doing our job, which does NOT include kowtowing to every individual who thinks his or her agenda is more valid than others'.


**Rapturous applause.**

I don't think I've ever called anyone a troll on here.. but you fit my description of one. Or maybe you come off schizophrenic (the only way I could describe what I was thinking, I'm not implying that you are really a schizo), and I just don't get you.I don't believe I fit the troll description, sorry. But goodnight to you nevertheless.

If you go look at the "Holocaust Conference" thread, you'll notice that Arthais, Laerod, Slythros (sorry if I didn't spell that right) and I, and others I forget, have been taking on RuleCaucasia pretty much since the thread opened.

Hey, sometimes you hear what you like and sometimes you just have to go read a book or something. From what I hear about Stormfront, NSG is a walk in the park on a nice summer's day.

Hey! I was on that thread. I convinced a few people that RuleCaucasia was just another Jesussaves. He got pissed and ran out of points to argue about around an hour ago.

And btw, I think RuleCaucasia really meant it. But it was an incredibly effective way to piss him off.

Oh noes!! Not people with different opinions! Why can't we all just think the same things all the time like americans?

Yeah, ok. The old "This made me wonder" about Max Barry...
"Does actually check NSG?".. yeah yeah Max. Take it easy now. Inspect away "KatuMAXrkalurkmuBARRYrkstan".
Your secret is safe with...us.
I'd say something like, "Damn my shifty eyes, they give me away every time" but I'm betting that impersonating Max Barry gets you more time than impersonating a mod...

I don't believe I fit the troll description, sorry. But goodnight to you nevertheless.

Goodnight to you as well.

And personally, I like having anti semetics/anti-zionists(like Soviestan. there's a difference.) on the site. I get to argue with them, and even better, see them argue with each other.

Ok, I agree with the statement. I really, really hate racists. In my country (in the game, obviously) it's illegal to make a racist remark in public.

That being said, you have to realize this is what free speech is. It allows normal people to criticize the government, probably for the better. But, it also allows all the racists, neo-nazis, and just plain nutjobs to say whatever they want to. But, this is the Internet, so we don't necessarily have it everywhere. Check the F.A.Q.

...and whether or not Freddy Kreuger could kill Wolverine.
No. Fucking. Way.

And to the OP: poo. One of, if not the best thing about NS:G is that controversial and minority views can get an airing without instant knockdowns and judgments from polarised mods. That’s the good thing about free discussion; the truly whacko ideas, such as judging someone because of the amount of melanin contained in their skin, are shown to be absurd and false through people’s own reasoning, not through authoritarianism.

Free speech ftw, online and in r/l.

Well the fact is, the Zionists frame opposition to them as racist, but Israel under the Zionist regime has racial segregation laws which are far worst than any equivolent in the Modern World. They are the oppressors.

This so-called holocaust, where did it happen, Europe correct? Then why do Palestinians and others in the Middle East have to suffer for it?

If I might weigh in for a wee moment:

We all have opinions; we all have beliefs; each of us is blessed with some particular insights, and each of us are plagued - to one extent or another - with our own prejudices. One of my beliefs is that the purpose of Life (with a capital 'L') is to share all those opinions, beliefs, insights and prejudices and grow through the exchange - applying all those wonderful and awful things to our own ongoing experience - and with time, and perhaps just a smidgeon of luck, accruing wisdom in so doing.

IDF, in my experience on NSG, you've repeatedly and vehemently castigated not only those who disagree with your personal interpretation of daily events, but with your sense of history, or of occasion - and still onward to trifling nothings such as word definitions, and have even gone so far as to take umbrage when others don't happen to mirror your choice of viewing on television, or worse - quite stridently tried shutting people down for having the audacity to not agree with you where any of the preceding are concerned.

You've glibly tried selling others on the veracity of your personal fears, anxieties, and psychoses - to little or no effect - and thrown temper tantrums complete with veiled threats of moderator action for said apparent transgressions, not once hesitating to dust off your very own particular ethnic victim card if it suited you to do so.

All the while IDF, you've never been one to fail to misread any quip, jest, lark, giggle, guffaw or other mild attempt at cleverness or witticism written by your fellow posters. You've been unremittingly and may I say, rather self-righteously censorious in your ongoing bid to impugn or deride those you've chosen to see as your opponents.

Still and all, Life is synergy. I come away from exchanges with you with a better sense of who you are, of what you value, and what you would dismiss. While I'll admit I don't much agree with what you value, and I don't much agree with what you would dismiss - tell me truthfully, IDF - would our exchanges be of any value to you whatsoever if all we did was to agree? Would any of us stand to gain from having a 'mutual-head-nodding society' rather than what we do have?

Sure, such an arrangement might help you to validate what you feel to be objective reality, but what good would that be, if you didn't have dissonant voices to help keep your own subjectivity in check periodically - to perhaps keep you more cognizant of your own prejudices when expressing opinion, stating belief, or sharing insights?

Besides, I think you'd be rather hard-pressed to find an online forum community that can simultaneously mirror your sensibilities while providing intellectual stimulation of any great substance. You certainly haven't found that situation here - and simply demanding that it be so amounts to little more than wishful thinking, IDF.

He systematically calls anyone who disagrees with him an anti-semite too the point where now he has come across a real life one in RealCaucasia, his credibility to tackle him is diminished.

I've also noticed h'ell make broad sweeping claims without backing it up with a source, and then someone will post something he disagrees with, and will say the source is biased.

In fact, I can recall one incident this past week in which this happened. In the thread Jews want Israel gone! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=510617).

I was using a article written in 1947 by Jordanian monarch, King Abdullah, to show how the Arabs and Jews in the area at the time opposed the formation of Israel and that they didn't welcome the Zionists because they saw them as foreigners and not because they were Jews.

My link was dismissed because it disagreed with his views, despite that IDF hadn't provided one of his own, and my link was far from being anti-Semitic.

You sight a Jordanian government site. That's really objective:rolleyes:

This site is blatantly racist against Trolls. I am part troll from my mother's side and find all this anti-troll talk horrible. My Uncle Marty was a full blood troll - he may have lived under a bridge and collected human skulls, but he paid his taxes and fought for his country.

Friggin anti-trollites.

Aw, poor dear. Don't worry, there are minority rights for ethnic trolls, and not Zionist trolls. ;)

Who are the NAZIs? MTAE is just crazy, IDF is just a zionist, and DCD is well, DCD. Which are teh fascists?

And I'm just a crazy socialist who doesn't much care for Zionism and thinks Israel should take a look at its actions and see what consequences it has reaped.

Oh noes!! Not people with different opinions! Why can't we all just think the same things all the time like americans?

'Cause we ain't just Republicans here....

Well the fact is, the Zionists frame opposition to them as racist, but Israel under the Zionist regime has racial segregation laws which are far worst than any equivolent in the Modern World. They are the oppressors.

This so-called holocaust, where did it happen, Europe correct? Then why do Palestinians and others in the Middle East have to suffer for it?

That very thing was mentioned in the article that I posted in an earlier thread (mentioned above).

Rather off topic, but if you post LOLLERCAUST pictures on StormFront, do they deny it?

Rather off topic, but if you post LOLLERCAUST pictures on StormFront, do they deny it?

Only one way to find out......

I'm just wonderring did the OP have respect for this place then at some time?

Respect for an internet chat forum, strange!;)

There's nothing wrong with this forum that a taco stand won't cure. :)

Just don't get it from Taco Bell!!! Ha ha!

Yeah, and pics of poorly drawn penises seen from space...

Just don't get it from Taco Bell!!! Ha ha!

Well, sometimes NSG makes me constipated, Taco Bell gives me mud-butt, the two should even each other out.

The Muslim bashers are in much greater numbers too.

True. But to quote Terry Prattchet :"Just because someone is member of a minority it doesnt necessary mean they are not a evil minded git"

while some muslim bashing is just hatefull, I think those that write about destroying Israel completly, deny holocaust (I had family die in holocaust, not jewish, roma) and even insult other people's religions. Well they ask for it.
Which does not excuse bashers who bash on muslims just for being muslims, they are just as big evil minded gits.
I have no respect for either group.

Perhaps you should check out all of the fucking Holocaust deniers on this site. They aren't worthy of life let alone bandwidth.

Capital punishment for having an opinion?

Freedom of speech means someone's going to say something you don't like. But, you can't do anything about it.

Capital punishment for having an opinion?

Freedom of speech means someone's going to say something you don't like. But, you can't do anything about it.

Well, the disappointing part of this forum is that when people disagree with you, they accuse you of calling people "sand niggers" when you've never said anything remotely like that.

Well, the disappointing part of this forum is that when people disagree with you, they accuse you of calling people "sand niggers" when you've never said anything remotely like that.

Meh.

It's the same anywhere else.

Simply consider the source and sluff it off...

My grandfather fought against the Nazis in WWII and hid good Jews from the Nazi occupier. And he went to a concentration camp for it.

What I hate most about the radical pro-Israelis is that they try to make the suffering of the Jewish people unique. The "holocaust" is not just a "holocaust" it is the "Jewish holocaust", it is often forgotten that the following people: resistance fighters, POWs, Sinti & Roma, Homosexuals, many Slavs, Handicapped, Jehovas, "Work-Shy" people and people who had an interracial relationship were deported too.

It [holocaust] does not justify any of the terror actions against the Palestinian people. It does not justify any criticism on the current German society.

Ethnic/Religious sensitivity, an irrational hatred towards other peoples (Arabs, Germans) and a lot of weapons make a very dangerous nation.

I know NS is all about allowing freedom of speech, but this site is headed down the slope towards becoming a hell hole.

From MTAE to the rash of racist trolls on this site, we are becoming more and more like Stormfront. I've been saying it for a while now and it looks like I've been right all along.

Hopefully Max Barry and the mods will have the balls to stand up for the reputation of their own site and fix it.
that's the danger of freedom of speech and a freedom to exchange ideas.

you wanna stop that because some ideas or what some people have to say is offensive to you?

Well, the disappointing part of this forum is that when people disagree with you, they accuse you of calling people "sand niggers" when you've never said anything remotely like that.

let it go your getting irritating now instead of just sad

and why is this thread still alive?

My grandfather fought against the Nazis in WWII and hid good Jews from the Nazi occupier. And he went to a concentration camp for it.

What I hate most about the radical pro-Israelis is that they try to make the suffering of the Jewish people unique. The "holocaust" is not just a "holocaust" it is the "Jewish holocaust", it is often forgotten that the following people: resistance fighters, POWs, Sinti & Roma, Homosexuals, many Slavs, Handicapped, Jehovas, "Work-Shy" people and people who had an interracial relationship were deported too.

It [holocaust] does not justify any of the terror actions against the Palestinian people. It does not justify any criticism on the current German society.

Ethnic/Religious sensitivity, an irrational hatred towards other peoples (Arabs, Germans) and a lot of weapons make a very dangerous nation.excellent post, I agree completely....

There's nothing wrong with this forum that a taco stand won't cure. :)
One taco stand to order.....

http://www.truetraveler.com/Birrieria2.jpg

I know NS is all about allowing freedom of speech, but this site is headed down the slope towards becoming a hell hole.

From MTAE to the rash of racist trolls on this site, we are becoming more and more like Stormfront. I've been saying it for a while now and it looks like I've been right all along.

Hopefully Max Barry and the mods will have the balls to stand up for the reputation of their own site and fix it.
Perhaps a good hard look in the mirror is in order? :rolleyes:

I completely agree IDF, but the Mods don't take requests like this...

We're quite happy with the reputation of our site; if it's a bother to you, then please, go find one with which you'd prefer to be associated. Our job is to enforce the rules and make it possible for people to discuss controversial issues civilly. Do we do that? why yes, yes we do.

It continues to amaze me that people can be very virulent in their own opinions about OTHERS, and their right to express their opinion about others, but when it is THEIR ox being gored, it's the end of civilization as we know it. If we were to ban anti-Semitic discussions here, we'd also have to ban anti-American, anti-European, anti-Asian, Anti-African, anti-Bush, anti-abortion, anti-Christian, anti-Muslim, anti-homosexual, anti-Atheist, anti-war, pro-war, pro-Atheist, pro-homosexual, pro-Muslim, pro-Christian, pro-abortion, Pro-Bush, pro-European, Pro-Asian, Pro-African, Pro-American threads... pretty soon all we'd be able to discuss would be which of the Teletubbies is our favorite one and whether or not Freddy Kreuger could kill Wolverine. No thanks.

We're not the thought police, and last I looked, we ARE doing our job, which does NOT include kowtowing to every individual who thinks his or her agenda is more valid than others'.

Well, one of the Mods, I think it was either you or TG, banned pro-pedophilia discussions. Regardless of one's personal feelings about pedophilia, or homophobia, or Nazism, or Kahanism (contrary to my nation's name, I'm about as Kahanist as Adam Shapiro), or Zionism, or white supremacy, or black nationalism, or Communism, or goat fetishism, etc., etc. it's as acceptable IMO to discuss it as a philosophy or viewpoint that you don't find repellent.

We should return to the time when we could discuss subjects without having the Mods lock the threads because they didn't like the subject. Of course, if something degenerates into flaming, by all means put a stop to it.

If I might weigh in for a wee moment:
*snip*

:eek:

All right! Who are you and what did you do with the real Dobbsworld?

One of the things I like most about NSG is the holocaust deniers (and the pedophiles). Almost nowhere else will tolerate them, but if you're going to allow free speech you have to allow all speech, and that includes holocaust denials.

Heck, I've only been here since July and I've seen that.

Look, Channukah starts Friday, take some time, be with the family, have some fun, come back in a week or so and you'll be refreshed and ready for battle.

That's it - IDF just needs to replenish his HP/MP and he's good to go. Step into the restoration machine - it'll keep you alive, but you'll still be hungry.

Yes, yes it is. In fact, we mods are doing EXACTLY what we were asked to do by Max Barry, which is to make this a place where civil discussions about controversial matters can take place. So much for us not having "the balls to stand up for" our site. You do realize that this means that we have to deal with opinions we don't agree with and people we don't agree with and treat them with the same ruleset as people we like and agree with, and vice-versa, yes?

Is it now? funny, compared to other sites, it seems pretty civil to me.

Who? That nation no longer exists, for rulebreaking. Hmmm.....

Untrue, and hyperbole. Go look at Stormfront. Then come back here. Different much?



We're quite happy with the reputation of our site; if it's a bother to you, then please, go find one with which you'd prefer to be associated. Our job is to enforce the rules and make it possible for people to discuss controversial issues civilly. Do we do that? why yes, yes we do.

It continues to amaze me that people can be very virulent in their own opinions about OTHERS, and their right to express their opinion about others, but when it is THEIR ox being gored, it's the end of civilization as we know it. If we were to ban anti-Semitic discussions here, we'd also have to ban anti-American, anti-European, anti-Asian, Anti-African, anti-Bush, anti-abortion, anti-Christian, anti-Muslim, anti-homosexual, anti-Atheist, anti-war, pro-war, pro-Atheist, pro-homosexual, pro-Muslim, pro-Christian, pro-abortion, Pro-Bush, pro-European, Pro-Asian, Pro-African, Pro-American threads... pretty soon all we'd be able to discuss would be which of the Teletubbies is our favorite one and whether or not Freddy Kreuger could kill Wolverine. No thanks.

We're not the thought police, and last I looked, we ARE doing our job, which does NOT include kowtowing to every individual who thinks his or her agenda is more valid than others'.

Wolverine would kick Freddy's ass. He's got healing powers and adamantium claws, as opposed to what Freddy's got is surely just steel. All he needs to do is fall asleep and kick his ass, and even if he did get his ass whooped, he'd heal in no time and come back for more.

Also, kowtow is a funny word.

One taco stand to order.....

http://www.truetraveler.com/Birrieria2.jpg

two tacos to go please. :p

Wolverine would kick Freddy's ass. He's got healing powers and adamantium claws, as opposed to what Freddy's got is surely just steel. All he needs to do is fall asleep and kick his ass, and even if he did get his ass whooped, he'd heal in no time and come back for more.

Also, kowtow is a funny word.

except Freddy is a Dream. Wolvie can't kill a dream. :p

except Freddy is a Dream. Wolvie can't kill a dream. :p

You can pull him out of the dream. It's how Jason won in Freddy VS Jason.

You can pull him out of the dream. It's how Jason won in Freddy VS Jason.
never saw that movie... yet.

The sad thing is I haven't seen any of these movies.

:eek:

All right! Who are you and what did you do with the real Dobbsworld?

I like to think of myself as a work-in-progress, TBF...!

(And anyway, I don't think anything I wrote in that there open letter to IDF necessarily conflicts with what I've said in the past)

Look down at my signature. That's about it.

I know NS is all about allowing freedom of speech, but this site is headed down the slope towards becoming a hell hole.

From MTAE to the rash of racist trolls on this site, we are becoming more and more like Stormfront. I've been saying it for a while now and it looks like I've been right all along.

Hopefully Max Barry and the mods will have the balls to stand up for the reputation of their own site and fix it.

It Ebbs and flows. A racist troll discovers the site and tells his racist troll friends about it, then they get bored and move on. An enlightened liberal discovers the sight and tells his friends about it, then they get bored and move on, leaving the board again to the replacement crop of racist trolls.

two tacos to go please. :p
si senor :)

Meh.
Plenty of other racists here year round. Just the Nazis get under people's skin because Jews are mostly white.

It Ebbs and flows. A racist troll discovers the site and tells his racist troll friends about it, then they get bored and move on. An enlightened liberal discovers the sight and tells his friends about it, then they get bored and move on, leaving the board again to the replacement crop of racist trolls.
My favourite are the enlightened racists, who use credible scientific arguments that the races are different.

My favourite are the enlightened racists, who use credible scientific arguments that the races are different.
races are different...that is a fact, but not an excuse for racism....

My favourite are the enlightened racists, who use credible scientific arguments that the races are different.

By "credible" you mean "look credible, assuming you drank about four gallons of LSD-laced absinthe", right?

I generally stay out of general because it's just a Bash USA fest.