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From Tuft University of Massachusetts conservative student paper:


O Come All Ye Black Folk
Boisterous yet desirable
O come ye, O come ye to our university
Come and we will admit you
Born into oppression
O come let us accept them
O come let us accept them
O come let us accept them
Fifty-two black freshmen
O sing gospel choirs
We will accept your children
No matter what your grades are F's, D's, or G's
Give them privileged status
We will welcome all
O come let us accept them
O come let us accept them
O come let us accept them
Fifty-two black freshmen
All come! Blacks we need you
Born into the ghetto
O Jesus we need you now to fill our racial quotas
Descendants of Africa with brown skin arriving
O come let us accept them
O come let us accept them
O come let us accept them
Fifty-two black freshmen

I actually dont like affirmative action, but that sounds pretty racist to me

"Boisterous yet desirable"

"Born into the ghetto"

"Descendants of Africa with brown skin arriving"

From Tuft University of Massachusetts conservative student paper:

I'm not even sure how to respond to that.

Assholes! comes to mind.

Racist, and horrendously inaccurate as well.

Ouch

Heh. Stupid bigoted whites.

The line between "social commentary" and "Birth of A Nation" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_of_a_nation) is apprantly blurry there.

Racist, and stupid to boot.

People of NS, why must we argue? It's both racist AND critical of affirmative action.

People of NS, why must we argue?
What else is there to do? It's the intarwebs.

affirmative action is often stupid, but not as stupid and ignorant as that song and the paper that published it. fuckwits.

What else is there to do? It's the intarwebs.

We can post offbeat news stories and make fun of the people involved.

People of NS, why must we argue? It's both racist AND critical of affirmative action.

Well their defense is that it's a satire against Affirmative Action:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/12/12/tufts.satire.flap.ap/index.html


Took me a bit to find the text of the carol, seems they removed it from their website and are back peddling quickly.

I figured this was probably a satire. It may have gone a bit too far, but the truth is that quotas are retarded. In fact, minority groups often get way too much preferential treatment in our society.

This is funny but true. I know a professor who was not allowed to fail blacks no matter how poorly they performed. Damn affirmative action and treating people different because they are blacks!

I can't decide. It might be a protest of affirmative action going a bit far, or it could be intentionally racist.

Terrible sense of rhythm.

Yea, certainly not very catchy. Or even clever for that matter.

Terrible sense of rhythm.

Seriously. Even the best schools can admit racists, but I really thought Tufts was a decent enough university that its students would be bright enough to understand that "FIF-ty TWO BLACK FRESH-men" doesn't scan at all the same way as "CHRI-ist the LORD." :p

They should rap it......

I figured this was probably a satire. It may have gone a bit too far, but the truth is that quotas are retarded. In fact, minority groups often get way too much preferential treatment in our society.

Yeah, they've got the worst life opportunties and life expectencies, what's not to love?

I figured this was probably a satire. It may have gone a bit too far, but the truth is that quotas are retarded. In fact, minority groups often get way too much preferential treatment in our society.

Quotas generally are a problem. That's why affirmative action programs don't (and actually cannot legally) use them. At worst, an affirmative action program means that colleges actively recruit members of a minority and give a tie (ie. two students vying for the same position, but equally qualified) to the person who is a member of a minority at that school.

Interestingly enough, traditionally black colleges are now implementing similar programs to draw more white students.


This is funny but true. I know a professor who was not allowed to fail blacks no matter how poorly they performed.

O RLY?

it really doesnt even fit the song. i mean its blatantly racist enough, and i hate affirmative action, but god. if youre gonna be ignorant at least do it rhythymically(sp)

This is funny but true. I know a professor who was not allowed to fail blacks no matter how poorly they performed. Damn affirmative action and treating people different because they are blacks!

How does he now they're black when all he gets is a name and a student number on the paper?

This is funny but true. I know a professor who was not allowed to fail blacks no matter how poorly they performed. Damn affirmative action and treating people different because they are blacks!
Bullshit.

Yeah, they've got the worst life opportunties and life expectencies, what's not to love?

Alot of the problem with minority groups having fewer opportunities to get a good education and good job is due to the fact that they tend to be poor. Poor white people have just as much a hard time getting into college and getting a well-paying job. In my opinion, we should focus our efforts on helping empoverished families instead of giving minorities preferential treatment.

Alot of the problem with minority groups having fewer opportunities to get a good education and good job is due to the fact that they tend to be poor. Poor white people have just as much a hard time getting into college and getting a well-paying job. In my opinion, we should focus our efforts on helping empoverished families instead of giving minorities preferential treatment.

Riddle me this: why is it that minorities "tend to be poor"?

Riddle me this: why is it that minorities "tend to be poor"?

First, poverty is a self-perpetuating cycle. Poor families tend to stay poor because they can't afford the best education or don't have the time to get one. Second, many minority groups consist of mostly immigrants who are poor to begin with. There are also many people who are poor simply because they don't care about school, are lazy, do drugs, etc.

Minorities haven't always been treated fairly, but that's not the only reason they're poor.

First, poverty is a self-perpetuating cycle. Poor families tend to stay poor because they can't afford the best education or don't have the time to get one. Second, many minority groups consist of mostly immigrants who are poor to begin with. There are also many people who are poor simply because they don't care about school, are lazy, do drugs, etc.

Minorities haven't always been treated fairly, but that's not the only reason they're poor.

But being treated unfairly (and don't kid yourself that's all in the past) is a contributing factor to poverty - and it's a also a contributing factor to not caring about school, being lazy, taking drugs etc

it really doesnt even fit the song. i mean its blatantly racist enough, and i hate affirmative action, but god. if youre gonna be ignorant at least do it rhythymically(sp)

exactly

if it scanned brilliantly and made use of the sentiments of the song better we could enjoy it even if it is kinda racist.

as it is its a mean spirited attack on racial quotas using a song from a season of brotherhood.

But being treated unfairly (and don't kid yourself that's all in the past) is a contributing factor to poverty - and it's a also a contributing factor to not caring about school, being lazy, taking drugs etc

So because a handful of racist jerks make life harder for some minorities, they should be judged based on more lenient standards and given an advantage over the rest of us? How is that encouraging them to work harder? How is it fair to base hiring practices on race rather than credentials? How is giving one race better treatment than another NOT racism? You say that being treated unfairly is a contributing factor to poverty, but how is affirmative action solving this problem? I'm a first generation chinese immigrant. I've had my share of racial discrimination, but that didn't stop me from getting a good education from Case Western Reserve University and a good job.

So because a handful of racist jerks make life harder for some minorities, they should be judged based on more lenient standards and given an advantage over the rest of us?

They shouldn't be judged by more lenient standards. Luckily, that sort of thing is illegal. But gearing certain help programs towards minorities or more heavily recruiting them or any other number of programs that don't so so simply give them the same advantages offered to others.

How is that encouraging them to work harder?

If society tells you that you'll never go to college anyways, what's the point in trying?

How is it fair to base hiring practices on race rather than credentials?

It isn't. That's why such action is illegal.

How is giving one race better treatment than another NOT racism?

It is racism, so its a good thing that affirmative action programs have nothing to do with this.

You say that being treated unfairly is a contributing factor to poverty, but how is affirmative action solving this problem?

By working to counteract the effects of that poverty, to dispel the stereotypes that certain people cannot succeed, and by trying to provide fair opportunities to everyone, poor or not?

I'm a first generation chinese immigrant. I've had my share of racial discrimination, but that didn't stop me from getting a good education from Case Western Reserve University and a good job.

Good for you. Did you grow up in the ghetto with schools where you were constantly told that you'd never get a good job, so there was no point teaching you much anyways? Schools where violence was more of a norm than actual learning? A lot of people do. And those are the things that have to be countered.

They shouldn't be judged by more lenient standards. Luckily, that sort of thing is illegal. But gearing certain help programs towards minorities or more heavily recruiting them or any other number of programs that don't so so simply give them the same advantages offered to others.

Agreed.

If society tells you that you'll never go to college anyways, what's the point in trying?

Because you want to prove them wrong? Parents are the ones who need to enourage their children to value education more.



It isn't. That's why such action is illegal.

Not legal and not used aren't the same thing. Even though quotas aren't supposed to exist, companies still do it to look good.



It is racism, so its a good thing that affirmative action programs have nothing to do with this.

I probably shouldn't say affirmative action because I know that it's not supposed to do this. Maybe I should just say racially preferential practices. It does happen, you know it.


By working to counteract the effects of that poverty, to dispel the stereotypes that certain people cannot succeed, and by trying to provide fair opportunities to everyone, poor or not?


Sorry, I don't mean affirmative action. I mean the unfair hiring practices. We should be providing free training programs for disadvantaged people to help them qualify for more jobs as well as creating programs to help kids catch up in school ans encouraging people to take advantage of them.


Good for you. Did you grow up in the ghetto with schools where you were constantly told that you'd never get a good job, so there was no point teaching you much anyways? Schools where violence was more of a norm than actual learning? A lot of people do. And those are the things that have to be countered.

I grew up in a decent part of Philly. There were lots of gangs where I lived. I think this would be easier to counter by policing the district better and by improving the public school system.

Agreed.

=)

Because you want to prove them wrong? Parents are the ones who need to enourage their children to value education more.

Indeed. But that's a self-perpetuating cycle. A person is told that education is not important to them - that idea gets passed on to their kids - and so on, and so on.

This is why many Affirmative Action programs are really just a matter of getting out to the schools and being visible. If black/female/hispanic/etc. engineers are coming to the school to help with math and science, they provide a counterexample to all of those people saying that black/female/hispanic/etc. people can't be engineers and simply shouldn't try.

Not legal and not used aren't the same thing. Even though quotas aren't supposed to exist, companies still do it to look good.

I probably shouldn't say affirmative action because I know that it's not supposed to do this. Maybe I should just say racially preferential practices. It does happen, you know it.

Sorry, I don't mean affirmative action. I mean the unfair hiring practices.

All we can do is make them illegal and fine those who do it anyways, while working to ensure that a given ethncity or gender doesn't actually mean that you're unqualified.

We should be providing free training programs for disadvantaged people to help them qualify for more jobs as well as creating programs to help kids catch up in school ans encouraging people to take advantage of them.

I grew up in a decent part of Philly. There were lots of gangs where I lived. I think this would be easier to counter by policing the district better and by improving the public school system.

Agreed. But improving the school system, especially in high-minority areas, is part of affirmative action, as would be improving the areas in which many minorities live.

Terrible sense of rhythm.

What else do you expect from a bunch o' dem whiteys?

What else do you expect from a bunch o' dem whiteys?

buckra, not whiteys.

buckra, not whiteys.

Not 'buckras'?

I'm not even sure how to respond to that.

Assholes! comes to mind.

^ What he said. ^

As for the Affirmative Action, I'm completely against it, period. As for the song, it's definately racist but I'm not going to lose any sleep tonight over it.