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personally i think everyone should be able to say what they like. :)
your opinion?

Is someone threatening to staple your mouth shut if you say something stupid or offensive?

Is someone threatening to staple your mouth shut if you say something stupid or offensive?

Yup :)

I think I should be able to have sex with whoever I like. :)

I think I should be able to get married. :)

Fair enough, as long as you don't mind people using their freedom to beat the crap out of you if you offend them.

There's being tasteful and tactful, then there's being PC... and PC takes it to the extreme. It's possible to be tactful without being politically correct.

Yup :)

Well good luck to them, then. Make sure they smash your keyboard while they're at it.

personally i think everyone should be able to say what they like. :)
your opinion?

The PC thought police should be defied at every opportunity. More than that, they should be ridiculed at every opportunity.

you can say what you like doesn't mean someone won't take offence though

…well unless your on NSG in which case it is Max Berry’s divine will *spooky sounds*:eek:

There's being tasteful and tactful, then there's being PC... and PC takes it to the extreme. It's possible to be tactful without being politically correct.

Indeed.

Gay-NOT PC
The alternative-lifestyle choosing man-PC

No.

I agree.

...and of course, that means if someone says something objectionable, I can still call them a fucking idiot and tell them to shut up - and they've got no right to whinge about it. Awesome. We're all happy. :)

I think I should be able to live without any financial worries :)

Of topic, but I was reading a rather interesting article about the way power worked among the Bedouin for my Anthro class today, that kind of relates to this. It talked about how the people in authority held it because of how respectful and generous they were. One thing I found interesting was a bit were the anthropologist in question refered to one of the shepherds of their host by the word for shepherd and her host corrected her saying that they prefer to call them "people of the sheep" because it sounds nicer. I thought it was kind of funny to see as such an old feature in another culture, when people in our own are always bitching about it, that and how much it reminded me of saying things like "sanitation engineer" instead of "janitor.":p

You ever get the feeling that the people who complain the loudest about political correctness are really saying "I should have the right to be a dick and no one should be able to complain about it?" Just saying.

You ever get the feeling that the people who complain the loudest about political correctness are really saying "I should have the right to be a dick and no one should be able to complain about it?" Just saying.

Frequently. Especially when they open a thread on the topic immediately after starting one on how they hate humanity. I call let it die on both threads.

I think I should be able to live without any financial worries :)

Sir Gravlen? Are you male??

I agree.

...and of course, that means if someone says something objectionable, I can still call them a fucking idiot and tell them to shut up - and they've got no right to whinge about it. Awesome. We're all happy. :)

Well put. I have heard that some of the liberal colleges persecute the non-PC. I am not PC and am considered a bit of a racist and homophobe by some but I never was persecuted for my speech or beliefs. So I cannot say from any personal observations that the non-PC among us are persecuted in anyway.

I have had my non-PC language circled in red pen by professors but after I explained to them that I am not PC they stopped circling such language. I think that they mjust have thought that I wanted to be PC until I let them know that I choose not to follow that lifestyle choice.

personally i think everyone should be able to say what they like. :)
your opinion?

The problem I have with people complaining against PC is that a large portion of them want a license to be intolerant bigots.

Can the OP state a time that 'PC' has directly affected him or her?

The problem I have with people complaining against PC is that a large portion of them want a license to be intolerant bigots.

People must be free to be bigots.

People must be free to be bigots.

Agreed but they bitch when we use our freedoms (weather that be of association ... or freedom to hire or fire who we want or our freedom of speech to contradict them)

They dont want pc they want the limelight without contention

You ever get the feeling that the people who complain the loudest about political correctness are really saying "I should have the right to be a dick and no one should be able to complain about it?" Just saying.

Yes, the anti-PC people are the Thought police, they just cannot tolerate opposition to their ilk.

People must be free to be bigots.

There is no such thing as a right to oppress.

Can the OP state a time that 'PC' has directly affected him or her?

In fact, I'll open it up. Has anyone actually been affected by 'Political Correctness'?

In fact, I'll open it up. Has anyone actually been affected by 'Political Correctness'?

Political Correctness made me be a nicer person in public than I wanted to be. So, I got real drunk and forgot about it until I was reminded of it after reading this thread.

There is no such thing as a right to oppress.

That sounds like a nice bumper sticker slogan but what does it really mean? Only a government can oppress by denying human rights. I am not sure how a private person could really oppress somebody else unless we were talking about an oppressive parent of an oppressed child.

That sounds like a nice bumper sticker slogan but what does it really mean? Only a government can oppress by denying human rights. I am not sure how a private person could really oppress somebody else unless we were talking about an oppressive parent of an oppressed child.

Well, in the US, an individual can violate your civil rights. So I guess you're wrong.

That sounds like a nice bumper sticker slogan but what does it really mean? Only a government can oppress by denying human rights. I am not sure how a private person could really oppress somebody else unless we were talking about an oppressive parent of an oppressed child.

Any time there is inequality, there is oppression. Bigotry is an attempt to make oneself superior to another. Therefore, I will verbally oppose such attempts by people.

I feel people should be able to say pretty much whatever they wish, but if they say something too stupid and they end up getting the crap beaten out of it, frankly, that's their problem. :D

Any time there is inequality, there is oppression. Bigotry is an attempt to make oneself superior to another. Therefore, I will verbally oppose such attempts by people.

Oh come on now! Sometimes inequality exists because one person is too dumb to do any job but the most menial. Sometimes inequality exists because someone was more risk tolerant and got a better return on an investment. Here is financial inequality that is not the result of any oppression by anyone.

You're entitled to your own opinions.
But don't preach them on me.
;)

Well put. I have heard that some of the liberal colleges persecute the non-PC. I am not PC and am considered a bit of a racist and homophobe by some but I never was persecuted for my speech or beliefs. So I cannot say from any personal observations that the non-PC among us are persecuted in anyway.

I have had my non-PC language circled in red pen by professors but after I explained to them that I am not PC they stopped circling such language. I think that they mjust have thought that I wanted to be PC until I let them know that I choose not to follow that lifestyle choice.
It depends, of course, on what you're calling PC language, but if I circled something and told you it was inappropriate for academic writing and you refused to stop doing it, I'd stop circling it too. I'd just fail your ass instead.

That sounds like a nice bumper sticker slogan but what does it really mean? Only a government can oppress by denying human rights. I am not sure how a private person could really oppress somebody else unless we were talking about an oppressive parent of an oppressed child.Ask the Klan. They did a pretty good job of it for a while.

Ask the Klan. They did a pretty good job of it for a while.

Good point. Outside of prisons with the racial gangs I am not sure how much of this is actually going on these days in America.

Political correctness has gone too far in certain areas, but I don't see it as damaging as incompetence and stupidity. So, live and let live.

In fact, I'll open it up. Has anyone actually been affected by 'Political Correctness'?

Okay, I could go on making this wider and wider but I'll get straight to the point: political correctness has little to no meaningful effect on anyone, it's importance is massively overstated as a cover for right wing view points.

For instance, papers print things like "they're calling them winter lights not christmas lights because of x/y/z" (the much publicised British version where Muslims were the xyz was, of course, not true) on page 4 or 5 and then mention there's been a coup in Germany or something on page 11.

There is no real political correctness brigade (of the few stories that are true, nearly all of them stem from a non PC person trying to be PC) but there certainly is a vocal, annoying and increasing group on the Anti-PC brigade, erm, brigade. The thing that pisses me off, to be quite frank is that these people think they're somehow challenging conventional wisdom when they couldn't be more ignorant to the wider agenda.

Fair enough, as long as you don't mind people using their freedom to beat the crap out of you if you offend them.
Nobody has the right to assault anyone else.

The problem I have with people complaining against PC is that a large portion of them want a license to be intolerant bigots.
People have the right to say intolerant, bigoted things. And to get criticised for it.

I feel people should be able to say pretty much whatever they wish, but if they say something too stupid and they end up getting the crap beaten out of it, frankly, that's their problem. :D
In which case the government is not doing it's job of guaranteeing everyone's right to physical security.

Is someone threatening to staple your mouth shut if you say something stupid or offensive?

Mmph! (Translation: "they already did!")

Political Correctness went too far the day someone first thought of it.

personally i think everyone should be able to say what they like. :)
your opinion?

FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS T3H RULZ0R!!!!!!

In general I see political correctness as something created by people so immature that they can't handle the strait truth of what they are called. And enough of those wimpy, sensitive people got their lawyers to sue. So hence the craze of using "soft and PC words" to describe people.

I think it has gone too far a long time ago... long ago meaning the first time I was told in school that I would get in trouble calling people negros, browns, gays, (perfectly fine, uninsulting words in my view) and instead I should call them ____-americans and whatever the gay people call themselves now.

I do not want this stupid PC thing go so far that I would have to call a black person "a person with darker tone skin" in public.

There is nothing wrong with recognising that there are differences between people. There are, of course there are, and these differences should be open to acknowledgement. These differences should be used to treat people differently were it is reasonable. The problem only begins once irrelevant or insignificant differences are employed as a means of treating a person or people differently.