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In response to Q vs. Jedis poll, I propose another not too equal poll. But so for the best and for glory:

What about Star Trek nice Captains agains two Jedis.

Pick your choice.

Depends on the situation. The jedis would obviously defeat the captains in hand-to-hand combat, but when commanding space fleets my money would be on the Kirk/Picard duo.

EDIT: ah, your poll adresses that question :)
Do they have weapons with them, or must they use the available resources (like e.g. creating a bazooka from convenient materials to shoot diamonds in the hearts of an enemy ?)

Other:The Q would win.

Kirk!

and what is all this "oh, we love Picard" crap.........he's no Kirk. :(

Kirk!

and what is all this "oh, we love Picard" crap.........he's no Kirk. :(

Picard can dance (http://picardsong2k.ytmnd.com/), but Kirk is teh win.

Kirk!

and what is all this "oh, we love Picard" crap.........he's no Kirk. :(

Why - don't you like them both equally?

I vote Admiral Adama / Col. Saul Tigh would win :)

Why - don't you like them both equally?

I don't like any two people equally........not even my kids.

Even if it were Trek fleets against Star Wars fleets, the Jedi would use the Force to guide their fleet to victory.

Simple as that.:p

Even if it were Trek fleets against Star Wars fleets, the Jedi would use the Force to guide their fleet to victory.

Simple as that.:p

what if its a Borg fleet

It's quite simple really: Picard and Kirk would use their phasers to kill the Jedis because the Jedis' religion is nonsense and there's no such thing as magic.

Science > superstition. Always.

Even if it were Trek fleets against Star Wars fleets, the Jedi would use the Force to guide their fleet to victory.

Simple as that.:p

:p :p :p no.

Trek will always win against Wars when it comes to tech, because Trek is from the future and Wars was what? "a long long time ago"

everyone knows that.

It's quite simple really: Picard and Kirk would use their phasers to kill the Jedis because the Jedis' religion is nonsense and there's no such thing as magic.

Science > superstition. Always.

For today's science, phasers are fiction, thus magic.

Believing in Star Trek technology is equal to believe in Star Wars magic.

Guiding myself by your argument, John Rambo is able to pwn the four of them quite easily.

Picard can dance (http://picardsong2k.ytmnd.com/), but Kirk is teh win.

No, Picard is clearly ftw because he can not only dance, but he can also sing kick ass. (http://hjem.wanadoo.dk/~wan13237/darkmateria_the_picard_song.mp3)

For today's science, phasers are fiction, thus magic.

Nope. The science behind them is simple (energy pulse projected onto a surface to disturb its molecular cohesion) - the technology on the other hand is unattainable by today's mean. Still doesn't make it like the nonsensical magic that Star Wars ninkonpoops rely on, because the technology can exist while magic cannot.

Nope. The science behind them is simple (energy pulse projected onto a surface to disturb its molecular cohesion) - the technology on the other hand is unattainable by today's mean. Still doesn't make it like the nonsensical magic that Star Wars ninkonpoops rely on, because the technology can exist while magic cannot.

Oh, why then we don't use phasers?

What about magnetic fields, we could loosely base force users on that, and would be in equal footing.

Oh, why then we don't use phasers?

Because we are not that technologically advanced. The point is that no matter how much time passes, magic will remain impossible forever, while technology is just a matter of know-how.

What about magnetic fields, we could loosely base force users on that, and would be in equal footing.

Kirk and Picard need then just not have anything magnetic on them and they'll be fine.

Because we are not that technologically advanced. The point is that no matter how much time passes, magic will remain impossible forever.

Then you are sure that Star Trek predicts the future?

Nevermind, I am not going further into this discussion.

Then you are sure that Star Trek predicts the future?

It uses science not magic. Science makes sense, magic doesn't. It's simple.

No, Picard is clearly ftw because he can not only dance, but he can also sing kick ass. (http://hjem.wanadoo.dk/~wan13237/darkmateria_the_picard_song.mp3)

That is suprisingly awesome. Thanks Fass :)



Also, lol j00 haz 1337 postz.

That is suprisingly awesome. Thanks Fass :)

Old as the street, but I never tire of it, especially the "he just kept talking in one long incredibly unbroken sentence moving from topic to topic so that no one had the chance to interrupt it was really quite hypnotic." It's one of my favourite Picard lines and I still remember the episode it was from.

Also, lol j00 haz 1337 postz.

Creepy that you should point it out, as the last time it was pointed out as well.

It uses science not magic. Science makes sense, magic doesn't. It's simple.

It doesn't need to make sense; it's part of Star Wars canon and therefore an integral part of Obi-wan's and Qui-gon's characters. In any kind of hypothetical situation involving them post-Jedi training, their force powers would have to be present.

It doesn't need to make sense; it's part of Star Wars canon and therefore an integral part of Obi-wan's and Qui-gon's characters. In any kind of hypothetical situation involving them post-Jedi training, their force powers would have to be present.

Since magic is make believe, it wouldn't be present at all. Don't blame me, blame George Lucas for being the sucky writer he is to resort to magic...

Before we start to get into an arguement about the force we should work out what sort of universe they are fighting in. For all we know there may not even be the force present in it.

Since magic is make believe, it wouldn't be present at all. Don't blame me, blame George Lucas for being the sucky writer he is to resort to magic...

Lucas based The Force on an actual religion (I believe it was something akin to Buddhism) which stated all things in life are connected. The Force users in his canon are simply adept at manipulating that connection.

Furthermore, even barring their Force powers, I think the Jedi would have a significant advantage. Starfleet training likely resembles an extrapolation of modern-day naval training. Jedi training, on the other hand, focuses a lot more on personal combat (even before they were capable of wielding the Force, the Jedi trained in Lightsaber use).

Now, their weaponry would likely make a great deal of difference. I know blaster rifles as pictured in SW canon have a fairly long range; I'm not familiar with the hand-held phaser's range as I've only seen it utilized in close combat.

I'm guessing, barring use of the Force, the Jedi would opt to take blasters along with them; a Lightsaber is a much more potent weapon when wielded by the force adept.

Lucas based The Force on an actual religion

Which somehow makes it less magic and less bad writing?

Furthermore, even barring their Force powers, I think the Jedi would have a significant advantage. Starfleet training likely resembles an extrapolation of modern-day naval training. Jedi training, on the other hand, focuses a lot more on personal combat (even before they were capable of wielding the Force, the Jedi trained in Lightsaber use).

Picard fought Nausicaans with his bare hands, not to mention Kirk Klingons and the freaky Lizard dude in the desert. They'd eat your little Jedis for breakfast.

Now, their weaponry would likely make a great deal of difference. I know blaster rifles as pictured in SW canon have a fairly long range; I'm not familiar with the hand-held phaser's range as I've only seen it utilized in close combat.

There are phaser rifles. In any case, all the Jedi have are puny lasers, which Star Fleet abandoned centuries ago in favour of the much more advanced phaser.

I'm guessing, barring use of the Force, the Jedi would opt to take blasters along with them; a Lightsaber is a much more potent weapon when wielded by the force adept.

The light-sabre doesn't seem to shield from prolonged, continuous fire, instead just short bursts, and even then only lasers. Picard and Kirk need only use their phasers on maximum setting and the light sabre would blow up.

It's quite simple really: Picard and Kirk would use their phasers to kill the Jedis because the Jedis' religion is nonsense and there's no such thing as magic.

Science > superstition. Always.

Based upon your arguements, my joke about Battlestar Galactica would win would be true, at least in the new series. Shields do not exist yet, and their application is almsot fantasy. Galactica jsut has thick armor, that can even take nukes. Phasers do not exist, and their Scientific level is so high it may be unattainable. However Missles, bullets, Flak cannons and nukes do exist. Galactica uses all of these. Also based upon modern science, the transporter would take so much data to correctly map the entire molecular structure of an object and to correctly put it back together that this level of techonology is also near total fantasy, as of today's tech. So based upon your own arguement Galactica should own the Enterprise.

In science fiction, the important word is "Fiction". Also an important side note Star Wars is called Science Fantasy.

It uses science not magic. Science makes sense, magic doesn't. It's simple.


The Force is not with this one :p

Based upon your arguements, my joke about Battlestar Galactica would win would be true, at least in the new series. Shields do not exist yet, and their application is almsot fantasy. Galactica jsut has thick armor, that can even take nukes. Phasers do not exist, and their Scientific level is so high it may be unattainable. However Missles, bullets, Flak cannons and nukes do exist. Galactica uses all of these. Also based upon modern science, the transporter would take so much data to correctly map the entire molecular structure of an object and to correctly put it back together that this level of techonology is also near total fantasy, as of today's tech. So based upon your own arguement Galactica should own the Enterprise.

In science fiction, the important word is "Fiction". Also an important side note Star Wars is called Science Fantasy.

Galactica? That show sucks, so it's completely irrelevant.

Then again Star Wars sucks even more, making the discussion quite moot indeed, seeing as Star Trek wins on pure lack of suckitude.

Galactica? That show sucks, so it's completely irrelevant.

Then again Star Wars sucks even more, making the discussion quite moot indeed, seeing as Star Trek wins on pure lack of suckitude.

you and I are finding more and more common ground every day.

Galactica? That show sucks, so it's completely irrelevant.

Then again Star Wars sucks even more, making the discussion quite moot indeed, seeing as Star Trek wins on pure lack of suckitude.

Lol wow, can;t argue with that... You beat me so easily...

THe new series of Galactica I like a lot, however if you are talking about the 1978 version yes it did suck. Star wars had some bad movies, Episode I was bad. However Startrek has some "suckie" episodes to. ANyone rememebr when Kirk and spock met one of the Greek gods. or The movie the final frontier when they killed some sort of diety like creature trapped outside the great barrier. Or my favoirte the Klingon who quoted shakespear in every line..., or a nice little show named Enterprise. Yep startrek does not suck at all... LOL Learn2joke :)

A Blackhole wins against all three

Which somehow makes it less magic and less bad writing?



Picard fought Nausicaans with his bare hands, not to mention Kirk Klingons and the freaky Lizard dude in the desert. They'd eat your little Jedis for breakfast.



There are phaser rifles. In any case, all the Jedi have are puny lasers, which Star Fleet abandoned centuries ago in favour of the much more advanced phaser.



The light-sabre doesn't seem to shield from prolonged, continuous fire, instead just short bursts, and even then only lasers. Picard and Kirk need only use their phasers on maximum setting and the light sabre would blow up.

Well, if you want to do it the technological way, the Jedi could just bring along Personal Deflector Shields, Laser Carbines, a couple suits of Dark Trooper Phase 2 armor, and be essentially invincible.

I should also note that in the Jedi vs. Q thread, Q had his god-like powers, so it should generally be assumed the Jedi have theirs in this thread. You can say "Kirk and Picard would win if the Jedi didn't have the force", but you could also say "The Jedi would win if Kirk and Picard didn't have limbs," so it's not really a valid argument.

you and I are finding more and more common ground every day.

It's settled then: the awesome apocalyptic power of me and Smunkee agreeing is more than enough to wipe out anything Star Wars can muster.

Ok the Founders(Shapeshifters ..ex.Odo) and the Dominion vs. the Jedi?

What kind of a poll is that ?
Picard and Kirk can´t fly and jump tall buildings, they´re just regular humans and that´s the beauty of ST. They use their reasoning and their common sense and their leadership capabilities, not ESP..

If you want to make a comparison, well, then use similar things, stuff that have something in common..:rolleyes:

seeing as Star Trek wins on pure lack of suckitude.

Someone's never seen Nemesis.

Or Enterprise.

Or most of Voyager.

Or many of the Star Trek movies.

Someone's never seen Nemesis.

Or Enterprise.

Or most of Voyager.

Or many of the Star Trek movies.

Quoted For Truth and Emphisis. I would also like to add to the list the first 3 seasons of DS9, and about 25% of TNG.

Someone's never seen Nemesis.

Or Enterprise.

Or most of Voyager.

Or many of the Star Trek movies.

None of which, even if combined, amount to the singularity of suckyness that can be adequately summed up in: "Meesa Jar Jar!"

None of which, even if combined, amount to the singularity of suckyness that can be adequately summed up in: "Meesa Jar Jar!"

"Wesley Crusher."

None of which, even if combined, amount to the singularity of suckyness that can be adequately summed up in: "Meesa Jar Jar!"

jar jar needed to find himself on the wrong end of a lightsaber...

Also Lt. Barkley... and the famous Star Trek Technobabble

"Wesley Crusher."

:eek: :mad:

we don't speak of him.

jar jar needed to find himself on the wrong end of a lightsaber...

were was a Dark Lord when you need one

"Wesley Crusher."

Which wilwheaton.net (http://www.wilwheaton.net/) has more than negated, and nope, not even Wesley was ever as annoying as Jar "Meesa in a league of my own" Jar.

Not to mention that they never brought Wesley back for any of the movies, while Jar Jar was in I-III!

Which wilwheaton.net (http://www.wilwheaton.net/) has more than negated, and nope, not even Wesley was ever as annoying as Jar "Meesa in a league of my own" Jar.

you could just as well add in a few Ewoks and Wookies to prove your point as well. ;)

you could just as well add in a few Ewoks and Wookies to prove your point as well. ;)

Oh, the Ewoks! Why did you have to remind me? I'm gonna start twitching just at the thought...

Which wilwheaton.net (http://www.wilwheaton.net/) has more than negated, and nope, not even Wesley was ever as annoying as Jar "Meesa in a league of my own" Jar.

Not to mention that they never brought Wesley back for any of the movies, while Jar Jar was in I-III!

We can all agree that Jar jar Binks was the bastard Red-headed step child, who should have fallen in the middle of the lightsaber fight with Obi-won, and Darth maul, and been sliced to shreds, only to be resserected by the force and thrown down that long tunnel that darth maul died in.

Also Jar Jar had 2 lines in episdoe 2, and had no speaking parts in III. but yes those 2 lines he had in epiisode II did seal the fate of the entire repbulic. Jar Jar does win the "most annoying character ever created" award

Oh, the Ewoks! Why did you have to remind me? I'm gonna start twitching just at the thought...

I actually had a Warsie at con try to compare them to Tribbles :rolleyes: he was a dumb ass.

you could just as well add in a few Ewoks and Wookies to prove your point as well. ;)

The best part of Star Wars Battlefront is that it lets you hunt Ewoks, when my brother first got that game that is absolutly the only thing I did with it, god damn, fuzzy teddy bears.:mad:

Because we are not that technologically advanced. The point is that no matter how much time passes, magic will remain impossible forever, while technology is just a matter of know-how.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clark

I actually had a Warsie at con try to compare them to Tribbles :rolleyes: he was a dumb ass.

Well, that's par for the course with Warsies - what did you expect?

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clark

Apart from that minor detail that "the Force" is magic...

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clark

The force isn't a technology though its a energy field that the force users manipulated.

http://www.st-v-sw.net/videos/maulvspicard2.gif
Need I say more?

Just in case I do, Kirk did face someone with Jedi-like powers in the second pilot and won.

I'll take Star Trek anyday.

Picard can just have Q appear and make them disappear.

Lightsabers would be useless against phaser rifles. A phaser on maximum discharge can cause large areas of rock to explode so shooting the ground 10 feet in front of the Jedi should kill them.

Lightsabers would be useless against phaser rifles. A phaser on maximum discharge can cause large areas of rock to explode so shooting the ground 10 feet in front of the Jedi should kill them.

A Jedi could use Force Push to deflect them. :D

A Jedi could use Force Push to deflect them. :D

Never seen either Kenobi or Qui Gon possess that power. A single phaser on setting 16 would toast them.

I also doubt the lightsabers could deflect that phaser. We've only seen them deflect weak little blasters that seem to be less powerful that .22 bullets.

Never seen either Kenobi or Qui Gon possess that power. A single phaser on setting 16 would toast them.

I also doubt the lightsabers could deflect that phaser. We've only seen them deflect weak little blasters that seem to be less powerful that .22 bullets.

Obi-Wan did, in Episode 3.

some info. (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_push)

As for the blasters, I don't know. I think if a light saber can cut through a blast door like butter, it could probably deflect phasers on kill. I could be wrong, though.

Obi-Wan did, in Episode 3.

some info. (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_push)

As for the blasters, I don't know. I think if a light saber can cut through a blast door like butter, it could probably deflect phasers on kill. I could be wrong, though.

Yes, but past kill phasers also have a vaporize aqueduct setting.

Yes, but past kill phasers also have a vaporize aqueduct setting.

Do not forget that a jedi can easily take the phaser out of their hands with the force as per luke in Episode VI. Or they could simply knock them down with the force (Obiwan Kanobi, and Darth Maul Episode I ) or Vader could simply choke them. I am also sure that the jedi Mind Trick could do well against most of the extras on Star Trek. And Vader did deflect energy blasts in Episode V with his bare hands. He did not even need a lightsaber

Do not forget that a jedi can easily take the phaser out of their hands with the force as per luke in Episode VI. Or they could simply knock them down with the force (Obiwan Kanobi, and Darth Maul Episode I ) or Vader could simply choke them. I am also sure that the jedi Mind Trick could do well against most of the extras on Star Trek. And Vader did deflect energy blasts in Episode V with his bare hands. He did not even need a lightsaber

Yeah, but his hands were mechanical that wasn't necesarily the force. As for the rest they could also do what they do most of the time an instad try and block it with their lightsabers, which seems to be the standard response most of the time.

Yeah, but his hands were mechanical that wasn't necesarily the force. As for the rest they could also do what they do most of the time an instad try and block it with their lightsabers, which seems to be the standard response most of the time.


Yep they would try, and it would be like the battle of Genoisis in Episode II all over again. THe top and best jedi live the lesser ones, having the lifespan of Ensign Ricky, on an away mission with Captain Kirk, would prolly end up as blue glowies :)

Yeah, but his hands were mechanical that wasn't necesarily the force. As for the rest they could also do what they do most of the time an instad try and block it with their lightsabers, which seems to be the standard response most of the time.

"Do, or do not. There is no try." ;)

Yes, but this isn't that "standard" situation. They would use any means necessary to disarm their opponents, be it force push, force pull, etc.

In Ep. 2 Count Dooku did deflect Sith Lightning. That was pretty cool.

"Do, or do not. There is no try." ;)

Yes, but this isn't that "standard" situation. They would use any means necessary to disarm their opponents, be it force push, force pull, etc.

In Ep. 2 Count Dooku did deflect Sith Lightning. That was pretty cool.

Important Distinction

Jedi use the focre to defend, thus the lightsaber is the only resort for attacking

Sith use the force to attack, using the lightsaber only to humiliate opponents (usually Jedi), or when the Jedi is too strong to defeat with the force.

The federation only attacks when it is attacked, usually after several attacks so even if the universes were combined I can't see Pacard trying to pick a fight with the peaceful jedi. Although Kirk might when he finds out the female Jedi will not have sex with him :)

And the Sith would not openly attack the federation. Instead they would over a course of 20-40 years convence the federation that they should be in control. (i.e episodes 1-3)

It uses science not magic. Science makes sense, magic doesn't. It's simple.

No. Sometimes science does not make a sense (Quantum physics) and sometimes magic does (Who's in for Teleportation spell?!)

Old as the street, but I never tire of it, especially the "he just kept talking in one long incredibly unbroken sentence moving from topic to topic so that no one had the chance to interrupt it was really quite hypnotic." It's one of my favourite Picard lines and I still remember the episode it was from.
That bit is awesome. I don't remember the episode it's from, though a lot of the other lines are familiar.


Creepy that you should point it out, as the last time it was pointed out as well.
We're watching you Fass.........

Personally, I think that Bruce Lee, high on PCP and speed, equipped with Predator tech equipment and reinforced in space by a (militarised) Culture GSV, could wee-wee all over any number of Jedi nancy boys and PC Federation officers, and their soft, easily seen and slow ships.
So there.
Jim the Awesome has spoken.
:mp5: :sniper: :gundge: :upyours: :headbang:

It's quite simple really: Picard and Kirk would use their phasers to kill the Jedis because the Jedis' religion is nonsense and there's no such thing as magic.

Science > superstition. Always.

I disagree and how can you say trekkie episode is believable science (hard science) but anyhow, as a die hard SW fan I voted Star wars again

I disagree and how can you say trekkie episode is believable science (hard science) but anyhow, as a die hard SW fan I voted Star wars again

Star Trek science is much more believable that Star Wars magic

what if its a Borg fleet

Shove the Borg into a black hole.

(Hey, there's gotta be at least like 25 in the SW galaxy)

Star Trek science is much more believable that Star Wars magic

The Force needs no understanding!

Shove the Borg into a black hole.

(Hey, there's gotta be at least like 25 in the SW galaxy)

black holes are very usefull

Personally, I think that Bruce Lee, high on PCP and speed, equipped with Predator tech equipment and reinforced in space by a (militarised) Culture GSV, could wee-wee all over any number of Jedi nancy boys and PC Federation officers, and their soft, easily seen and slow ships.
So there.
Jim the Awesome has spoken.
:mp5: :sniper: :gundge: :upyours: :headbang:
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The Force needs no understanding!

Nor does the Deflector Dish(aka the Deus Ex Machina Machine)

It's quite simple really: Picard and Kirk would use their phasers to kill the Jedis because the Jedis' religion is nonsense and there's no such thing as magic.

Science > superstition. Always.

No it;d be more like this:

T3H S.T. people shoot. The Jedi reflect the shots with the lightsabers. Either the ST are hit or the Jedi use the force and pwn them.

It's been proven time and time again: only a suprise attack (i.e., the 'betrayal' of the troops in SWIII) can hope to kill a Jedi.

Nor does the Deflector Dish(aka the Deus Ex Machina Machine)

And? Do the S.T. people get one of those in combat?

I'd doubt it.

Scorpion wins. Flawless victory. :p

No it;d be more like this:

T3H S.T. people shoot. The Jedi reflect the shots with the lightsabers. Either the ST are hit or the Jedi use the force and pwn them.

It's been proven time and time again: only a suprise attack (i.e., the 'betrayal' of the troops in SWIII) can hope to kill a Jedi.

Kirk can send an infinite number of redshirts to distract the jedi while he and picard sneak up behind them and OMGWTFPWN them.

And? Do the S.T. people get one of those in combat?

I'd doubt it.

Don't ever underestimate the deflector dish, or it'll hit you with an anit-underestimating beam.

Kirk can send an infinite number of redshirts to distract the jedi while he and picard sneak up behind them and OMGWTFPWN them.

And The Jedi can come in fighters or get some robots. :rolleyes:

It's two-on-two combat here.

And besides, the duo might even pwn them by sensing them with t3h Force... and then Force pushing them into the line of fire.

And The Jedi can come in fighters or get some robots. :rolleyes:

It's two-on-two combat here.

And besides, the duo might even pwn them by sensing them with t3h Force... and then Force pushing them into the line of fire.

Phasers set on level 16 wide beam, Jedi get vaporised or try to block with their lightsabers, which would promptly explode.

Phasers set on level 16 wide beam, Jedi get vaporised or try to block with their lightsabers, which would promptly explode.

Lightsabers don't explode.

And they could pull down the ceiling to block the shot.

Phasers set on level 16 wide beam, Jedi get vaporised or try to block with their lightsabers, which would promptly explode.

they do have shields they can wear

Lightsabers don't explode.

And they could pull down the ceiling to block the shot.

Unless the celing is made of God, that'd get blown up too.

Unless the celing is made of God, that'd get blown up too.

Umm... God doesn't exist in either series.

Umm... God doesn't exist in either series.

So the ceiling chunks get vaporised.

Umm... God doesn't exist in either series.

er what was Q then in ST

er what was Q then in ST

A being with unlimited power over time, space and the universe.

er what was Q then in ST

the equivalent of The Force but more active in the ongoings of the universe.

A being with unlimited power over time, space and the universe.

no hes the milk man :)
eg a God then, so there is a God in ST but not in SW

Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan will pwn Kirk and Picard...

However

Replace Kirk or Picard with Sisko, and those Jedi don't stand a chance. ;)

no hes the milk man :)
eg a God then, so there is a God in ST but not in SW

Ah, but there are many Q, who were quite possibly once human.

In response to Q vs. Jedis poll, I propose another not too equal poll. But so for the best and for glory:

What about Star Trek nice Captains agains two Jedis.

Pick your choice.

Kirk and Picard can single-handedly kick any Jedi ass. Just rearrange phaser beams to bypass lightsaber frequency, and goodbye Jedi!

Of course, the outcome would be different if they had to confront Han Solo and Lando Calrissian.

Commander/Captain Peter Quincy Taggart ("Never Give Up, Never Surrender") and Lieutenant Tawny Madison win... that's soooo obvious...

Else Dr. Lazarus of Tev'Meck ("By Grabthar's hammer, by the suns of Warvan, you shall be avenged!") could do everything by himself

If you were wondering who they are, here is a link for you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_Quest).
And here is another (http://www.questarian.com/).

Trumped by Sheridan! LONG LIVE BABYLON 5!!!!

No point in arguing with Fassigen. Never ever argue with religious fanatic about religion or trekkie about star trek. Pretty much same thing.

About the fight.
With force existant:
Jedi pull phasers out of Kirk and Picard's hands and choke them to sleep.
without force:
jedi get vaporised. unless they use blasters, then its equal fight with advantage slightly to the Kirk and Picard who are not used to rely on force.

about magic
in star wars we have force.
in star trek we have telepatic, telekinetic, emphatic and godlike beings, whats more HUMANS can become godlike beings in star trek. Anyone remembers Charlie X. NOTHING force can do gets NEAR charlie X if we are talking about magic. Also to actually have telephaty (which is ability to read, interpret and implant electrical impulses in the brain) being would have to be able to generate incredible amount of power. Impossible in humanoid form. And telekineses? don't make me start. Also description of Klingon biology would suggest that they have extremly slow metabolism, so all that backup systems could be fed, they would be fat, slow and immovable.
Star wars is FAR less naive then star trek.

About suckiness
Star wars has Jar Jar yes, and some bad parts.
Star trek has most of voyager, before mentioned deus ex elements and Wesley Crusher. A 15 year old Marry Sue who is better in just about everything then people who are intelectual elite, have over 10 years of education and over 20 years of experience on him. Including android who has a sum of human knowledge in his head.
Suckiness of star trek is bigger.

I acctually like both star trek and star wars, but trekkies really go on my... gunnundas when they start to accuse other shows of being non belivable or that they resort to weak plot devices. I mean for god sakes half Voyager rested on 7 of 9's boobs.