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Has anyone ever wonder what will happen to China with their 1 child per house hold and that parents desire to have male children? I mean pretty soon they are going to run out of female, and having 1 billion horny males with no way to release their urge, well, that's just going to be one nasty picture. So what do you guys think? Is the 1 baby per house hold and the fact that China culture prefers a male over female will cause a problem later on down the road?

No, they'll just buy mail order brides from Russia, North Korea, and Southeast Asia. What's really going to fuck them in the long run is when the generation before the one child policy gets too old to work and has a population of half their number trying to support them.

Has anyone ever wonder what will happen to China with their 1 child per house hold and that parents desire to have male children? I mean pretty soon they are going to run out of female, and having 1 billion horny males with no way to release their urge, well, that's just going to be one nasty picture. So what do you guys think? Is the 1 baby per house hold and the fact that China culture prefers a male over female will cause a problem later on down the road?

OMGZ!!!111oneelevenone11!!! That and all the SOY they eat! We'll have two billion screaming gay Chinamen! Think of the children!

OMGZ!!!111oneelevenone11!!! That and all the SOY they eat! We'll have two billion screaming gay Chinamen! Think of the children!

Probably not, but sexually frustrated males are not a pretty sight.

No, they'll just buy mail order brides from Russia, North Korea, and Southeast Asia. What's really going to fuck them in the long run is when the generation before the one child policy gets too old to work and has a population of half their number trying to support them.

Does China even have social security?

Probably not, but sexually frustrated males are not a pretty sight.

It's a legitimate concern of the Chinese government. They don't want all those males deciding perhaps the government is doing things badly.

The problem is not as serious anymore. As China westernizes more, this will no longer be an issue. In most cities, people have already thrown away the idea that boys are better than girlssince nowadays women are just as capable as men in providing for the family. Also, you can now have more than one child if you can afford to pay the fine.

There are campaigns in the cities at least to discourage women from aborting simply because of gender. The Chinese government is evening offering incentives for couples to keep the girl, as well as extensive education programmes that emphasize the importance of a girl.

Does China even have social security?

Doesn't it have free healthcare and free nursing home facilities? It was a communist nation after all. They've changed their economy, but I dont' think they've done away with services.

No, because the first thing I'm going to do after I take over Russia with my army of Chipmunks and penguins is nuke China and make their little dictator a slave boy!

There is no free health care in China. As part of employee benefits, the government helps you pay for medical bills if you have a serious illness or something like that, but you don't get any help with routine appointments. Also, there is lack of a good health insurance system and patients are often flatout denied treatment even in emergency situations. :(

There is no free health care in China. As part of employee benefits, the government helps you pay for medical bills if you have a serious illness or something like that, but you don't get any help with routine appointments. Also, there is lack of a good health insurance system and patients are often flatout denied treatment even in emergency situations. :(

Well that sucks and I guess I stand corrected.

considering more women are surviving babyhood now (as part of Girls being healthier than boys) we will just have lots of women from around the world screwing Chinamen

not a bad thing IMHO

Has anyone ever wonder what will happen to China with their 1 child per house hold and that parents desire to have male children? I mean pretty soon they are going to run out of female, and having 1 billion horny males with no way to release their urge, well, that's just going to be one nasty picture. So what do you guys think? Is the 1 baby per house hold and the fact that China culture prefers a male over female will cause a problem later on down the road?I think that's why they loosened it a while back and allow educated people that grew up as only children to have two children.

Expecting a developing nation to provide free healthcare to more than a billion people is unrealistic. :)

While the gender gap in births has drastically narrowed, it is a major short-term problem. The Chinese attitude about non-Chinese means there will be a huge demand for Chinese women.

Throughout history there has been one major way a country deals with having an excess of frustrated 20 something males. Not only does it get rid of a lot of the surplus population, but it can also gain the country some new territory and resources.

Where is there a good source of female Chinese? That’s right – Taiwan.

It gets rid of the excess males, captures a thriving economy to boost China, supplies plenty of ethnically acceptable women, and eliminates a political sore spot while proving that it is a world power.

Right now the US is not in a position, militarily or economically, to go to war with China. Thus there is little perceived risk of China bringing the rouge province back into the fold.
So expect an invasion of Taiwan within the next decade.

While the gender gap in births has drastically narrowed, it is a major short-term problem. The Chinese attitude about non-Chinese means there will be a huge demand for Chinese women.

Throughout history there has been one major way a country deals with having an excess of frustrated 20 something males. Not only does it get rid of a lot of the surplus population, but it can also gain the country some new territory and resources.

Where is there a good source of female Chinese? That’s right – Taiwan.

It gets rid of the excess males, captures a thriving economy to boost China, supplies plenty of ethnically acceptable women, and eliminates a political sore spot while proving that it is a world power.

Right now the US is not in a position, militarily or economically, to go to war with China. Thus there is little perceived risk of China bringing the rouge province back into the fold.
So expect an invasion of Taiwan within the next decade.Wait, are you saying that China could take Taiwan despite US military force or that the US will simply not waste the money, equipment and manpower to kick the crap out of the PRC in the event it attacks Taiwan?

Has anyone ever wonder what will happen to China with their 1 child per house hold and that parents desire to have male children? I mean pretty soon they are going to run out of female, and having 1 billion horny males with no way to release their urge, well, that's just going to be one nasty picture. So what do you guys think? Is the 1 baby per house hold and the fact that China culture prefers a male over female will cause a problem later on down the road?

there will be some obvious social challenges it'll be interesting for anthropologists to watch how it plays out. Women will probably enjoy a more powerful status.

Wait, are you saying that China could take Taiwan despite US military force or that the US will simply not waste the money, equipment and manpower to kick the crap out of the PRC in the event it attacks Taiwan?

20 years time when China has more hormone loaded men than a college Locker-room I doubt the U.S would bother, then again odds are China would be more interested in North Korea

Wait, are you saying that China could take Taiwan despite US military force or that the US will simply not waste the money, equipment and manpower to kick the crap out of the PRC in the event it attacks Taiwan?

I doubt the political will in the US to undertake a war with China.
After all, we are pressuring Taiwanese politicians to never utter words implying a desire for independence, and we support China’s claims that it is Chinese territory. The official US position is simply that China needs to use diplomacy rather than military force – but when it comes down to it, I doubt that the US thinks it important enough to have World War 3.

Does China even have social security?Somewhat, but they're having a big problem with it because of the way the population is balanced.

20 years time when China has more hormone loaded men than a college Locker-room I doubt the U.S would bother, then again odds are China would be more interested in North Korea

Eh, there's too big a difference between Chinese and Korean women - being nationalist and slightly racist, the tradition would demand Chinese women, which Taiwan technically has.

Eh, there's too big a difference between Chinese and Korean women - being nationalist and slightly racist, the tradition would demand Chinese women, which Taiwan technically has.

since when have desperate men been picky?:p

since when have desperate men been picky?:p

Since the parents might disown them if they do otherwise.

No, they'll just buy mail order brides from Russia, North Korea, and Southeast Asia. What's really going to fuck them in the long run is when the generation before the one child policy gets too old to work and has a population of half their number trying to support them.
Until you realize that females cannot support the family at all, only males can, and that at a sustained rate, 1 billion people is still 1 fucking billion people.

Wait, are you saying that China could take Taiwan despite US military force or that the US will simply not waste the money, equipment and manpower to kick the crap out of the PRC in the event it attacks Taiwan?
Oh of course, China is afraid of a country with a fraction of the population with a spent military and corrupt government.

Since the parents might disown them if they do otherwise.

since when have men had to marry women to impregnate them?

since when have men had to marry women to impregnate them?

I doubt many Chinese men will fly over to Korea just to fuck the women and then leave. That doesn't solve the problem at all.

The point is that tradition wouldn't approve of half chinese/korean babies popping up all over the place.

The problem is not as serious anymore. As China westernizes more, this will no longer be an issue. In most cities, people have already thrown away the idea that boys are better than girlssince nowadays women are just as capable as men in providing for the family. Also, you can now have more than one child if you can afford to pay the fine.

Yes, but the cities house little more than a fifth of the population.

OMGZ!!!111oneelevenone11!!! That and all the SOY they eat! We'll have two billion screaming gay Chinamen! Think of the children!

lol,

the jews get israel

the gays get china

Examine the facts. The 1 child policy only applies in cities, and city families desire for male babies is fast receding. The male/female ratio at birth is 1.12 compared to the USA's 1.06. It isn't as great a problem as you make out.

Yes, but the cities house little more than a fifth of the population.

China's solution to that problem is to house everyone in skyscapers. There are 20+ story condo complexes everywhere. In addition, cities are getting much bigger and are now swallowing up the surounding countryside. Anyways, most people are not going to be having more than one child since the fine is very high. But the option is there if you get a girl and really want a boy.

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Oh of course, China is afraid of a country with a fraction of the population with a spent military and corrupt government.The US military isn't spent. Less than half of our navy's fleet can sink the whole Chinese navy. Our airforce is second to none. Chinese planes wouldn't stand a chance. So what can they do? March across the water to Taiwan?

Yes, but the cities house little more than a fifth of the population.

At the same time, however, industrialization pushes up the urbanization rate which means more and more people will move to the cities as urban centers develop. This will help balance the demographics.

The concern is, however, whether or not that shift will occur in time to prevent the demographic disaster China is inflicting on itself.

The US military isn't spent. Less than half of our navy's fleet can sink the whole Chinese navy. Our airforce is second to none. Chinese planes wouldn't stand a chance. So what can they do? March across the water to Taiwan?

We've got better training, a better and stronger economy, better equipment, better technology, and more dedicated personnel. China doesn't stand a chance against the US army...the only thing they could do is prevent us from occupying them. Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Guangzhou and Xi'an are as good as rubble once the USAF starts pounding them.

The latest census figures in New Zealand show that, out of a population of 4 million, there are approximately 100,000 more women than men

I say, send the single men of China to NZ for our Kiwi girls!!!!!! ;)

The US military isn't spent. Less than half of our navy's fleet can sink the whole Chinese navy. Our airforce is second to none. Chinese planes wouldn't stand a chance. So what can they do? March across the water to Taiwan?

China has crappy jets, but she has about 4000 of them. :D

I say, send the single men of China to NZ for our Kiwi girls!!!!!! ;)

I say send the Kiwi girls to my room:fluffle:

China has crappy jets, but she has about 4000 of them. :D

So what? That's just more targets for US rockets. Modern air combat isn't like a melee with opponents swarming around each other trying to maneuver into position to start shooting cannons and machine guns, it's more like a snipers' duel fought with rockets at over the horizon ranges. Our jets can see theirs first, get the first shot, and hit more accurately. The US is deploying fifth generation fighters in the Raptor and JSF. The Chinese don't stand a chance.

The US military isn't spent. Less than half of our navy's fleet can sink the whole Chinese navy. Our airforce is second to none. Chinese planes wouldn't stand a chance. So what can they do? March across the water to Taiwan?

I'd like to correct you on this, a single Carrier Battle Group could put the entire PLAN on the bottom, and three could probably handily defeat the PLAAF

Examine the facts. The 1 child policy only applies in cities, and city families desire for male babies is fast receding. The male/female ratio at birth is 1.12 compared to the USA's 1.06. It isn't as great a problem as you make out.
The reduced desire it because of an active campaign and incentives to paint girls in a positive light.

I'd like to correct you on this, a single Carrier Battle Group could put the entire PLAN on the bottom, and three could probably handily defeat the PLAAF

Well there's no need to brag about it.

I'd say the Chinese female would be a hot commodity at the moment.

So what? That's just more targets for US rockets. Modern air combat isn't like a melee with opponents swarming around each other trying to maneuver into position to start shooting cannons and machine guns, it's more like a snipers' duel fought with rockets at over the horizon ranges. Our jets can see theirs first, get the first shot, and hit more accurately. The US is deploying fifth generation fighters in the Raptor and JSF. The Chinese don't stand a chance.

in all things military numbers count,this has held true in many wars....regardless of technological superiority if the enemy can swamp your forces with sheer numbers you will lose.....force of numbers is what makes N Korea a threat, it doesn't matter if your jet can shoot down 4 enemy fighters, if they send in ten your done like dinner.....

You are thinking far too conventionally. The Chinese are not dumb enough to line up shoulder to shoulder and take turns firing back and forth.

Despite the difference in technological advancement, US ships and aircraft are not invulnerable. Chinese surface to air missiles are still good enough to shoot down an American plane, even if it will take a handful of them to do it. Despite the technological differences, Apache helicopters can still be downed by a handful of guys with AK-47s.

Technology helps, but overwhelming numbers help even more.

While the entirety of the US military vs the Chinese military on an open battlefield may be easily slanted toward an American victory, this is not the scenario that will be presented.

If the US is lucky, it will have a carrier group hanging out in the area. Unfortunately it will be swarmed in the initial attack. The Chinese navy practices attacking an American carrier group regularly. While it will result in massive casualties and a huge expenditure in ordinance, the American carrier group will eventually succumb.

At the same time you will have a lot of ballistic missiles raining down on Taiwan, and everything that can float carrying troops across the China Sea. By the time the US can muster a significant response, the battle will have devolved into urban combat – in which a technological advantage doesn’t count for much. Routing out the Chinese Army in house to house battles will prove far too costly for any nation.

In today’s society we simply cannot do what is necessary to win in such a situation. Modern sensibilities demand that we limit civilian casualties and behave according to certain ‘rules’ which the Chinese will be quick to exploit. The Communist government has no such qualms and is fairly insensitive to the hardships it imposes upon the people. That (plus massive numbers) is the difference which will win the war for them.

Well there's no need to brag about it.

When it comes to the nation, most people find humility a difficult thing to come by.

What I think is going to be very interesting is the cultural shift this is going to impose. A woman is considered to be fairly worthless and is supposed to be completely subservient.

When women are in short supply and men have to compete for them, women will become far more valuable. This scarcity will allow women to demand better treatment. While I do not expect Chinese society to become very egalitarian, it will go a long way towards equality of the sexes.

in all things military numbers count,this has held true in many wars....regardless of technological superiority if the enemy can swamp your forces with sheer numbers you will lose.....force of numbers is what makes N Korea a threat, it doesn't matter if your jet can shoot down 4 enemy fighters, if they send in ten your done like dinner.....

The guy I was responding to claimed that China had 4000 fighters. I'm sure the US has more than 400, so it's not going to be ten to one. I don't know how many total fighters between Airforce, Navy, and Marine corps we have, but I'll bet it's measured in the thousands.

in all things military numbers count,this has held true in many wars....regardless of technological superiority if the enemy can swamp your forces with sheer numbers you will lose.....force of numbers is what makes N Korea a threat, it doesn't matter if your jet can shoot down 4 enemy fighters, if they send in ten your done like dinner.....

What concerns us about North Korea is the fact that they have over 12,000 artillery pieces trained on Seoul, and that if those were to be used, a lot of people would die. The DPRK would not be able to take the ROK, but they'd be able to break a lot of shit before the US-ROK force drives them to the Yalu.

There are campaigns in the cities at least to discourage women from aborting simply because of gender. The Chinese government is evening offering incentives for couples to keep the girl, as well as extensive education programmes that emphasize the importance of a girl.

Not going to work much. You need a cultural change and that takes time.

Girl adoptions are still easy. A neighbor just adopted a girl from China.....

What I think is going to be very interesting is the cultural shift this is going to impose. A woman is considered to be fairly worthless and is supposed to be completely subservient.

When women are in short supply and men have to compete for them, women will become far more valuable. This scarcity will allow women to demand better treatment. While I do not expect Chinese society to become very egalitarian, it will go a long way towards equality of the sexes.

I agree. In the long term the familial structure that makes males so valuable will have to change.

OMGZ!!!111oneelevenone11!!! That and all the SOY they eat! We'll have two billion screaming gay Chinamen! Think of the children!

Hahahhahhha

I'd say the Chinese female would be a hot commodity at the moment.

There's some kind of smarmy joke to that about me having an asian fetish, but I can't find it.

There's some kind of smarmy joke to that about me having an asian fetish, but I can't find it.

"The last girl I dated was Really Asian. She was a panda." -Jim Gaffigan

why is it that every time there is a debate on China it always ends up being a hypothetical war with the U.S:confused:

There's some kind of smarmy joke to that about me having an asian fetish, but I can't find it.

Yu kreep! :p

why is it that every time there is a debate on China it always ends up being a hypothetical war with the U.S:confused:

Because we all want to see the CNN coverage of said war. It should be really entertaining.

What will happen long term is population decline. You can do a sonogram which tells if a baby is male or female. Then they abort when it is female. This is happening illegally in China and India. It is more than choice, it is technology which is causing some really disconcerting and immoral actions. This will cause long term population decline and change in the value of women in China and India's society.

What will happen long term is population decline. You can do a sonogram which tells if a baby is male or female. Then they abort when it is female. This is happening illegally in China and India. It is more than choice, it is technology which is causing some really disconcerting and immoral actions. This will cause long term population decline and change in the value of women in China and India's society.long term population decline is what they are after, logistically they know they cannot let their population grow without disastrous consquences, the rest of the world should take note(some western countries already have ZPG or declining populations)....lower population are good thing the planet cannot support 9 billion that are predicted by mid century.....

The guy I was responding to claimed that China had 4000 fighters. I'm sure the US has more than 400, so it's not going to be ten to one. I don't know how many total fighters between Airforce, Navy, and Marine corps we have, but I'll bet it's measured in the thousands. US may have thousands but there is no way they can bring them all to one place on the globe.....they can have what ever they can bring on the Carriers and those are vulnerable to land based missiles(again if there are enough missiles they will swamp defenses) as would any based on Taiwan.....

No, they'll just buy mail order brides from Russia, North Korea, and Southeast Asia. What's really going to fuck them in the long run is when the generation before the one child policy gets too old to work and has a population of half their number trying to support them.

I think you hit a very good point right on the head. They will have to import workers just to get things done. Going to be interesting to see how they figure this mess out. Also want to point out that the one child policy is not concrete. I have been to mainland China and can say that I seen many couples with more then one child. Now discount the fact that some are cousins but it was to many to make that assumption.

US may have thousands but there is no way they can bring them all to one place on the globe.....they can have what ever they can bring on the Carriers and those are vulnerable to land based missiles(again if there are enough missiles they will swamp defenses) as would any based on Taiwan.....

They could also fly them in from Japan, Diego Garcia with mid-air refueling, Alaska with mid-air refueling and they'd continue to come if it's an all-out war. Don't forget that the US has the best military logistics around. We can get anywhere in the globe first and with plenty of supplies and firepower. Plus our carrier battle groups have defenses against missiles fired at them. They're not invulnerable, but they're pretty good. Also we could hit surface based defenses with our own cruise and ballistic missiles.

They could also fly them in from Japan, Diego Garcia with mid-air refueling, Alaska with mid-air refueling and they'd continue to come if it's an all-out war. Don't forget that the US has the best military logistics around. We can get anywhere in the globe first and with plenty of supplies and firepower. Plus our carrier battle groups have defenses against missiles fired at them. They're not invulnerable, but they're pretty good. Also we could hit surface based defenses with our own cruise and ballistic missiles.ok but I disagree....IMO the US does not have the logistics to be able to take on the Chinese in their own backyard, again they can bring superior numbers to bear which the US cannot match........and I think people underestimate the Chinese technology, all those high tech toys we entertain ourselves with,guess where they're made........like I said just my opinion...

ok but I disagree....IMO the US does not have the logistics to be able to take on the Chinese in their own backyard, again they can bring superior numbers to bear which the US cannot match........and I think people underestimate the Chinese technology, all those high tech toys we entertain ourselves with,guess where they're made........like I said just my opinion...

The high tech toys the US navy and air force use aren't made in China. I have yet to see a stealth DVD player or a RADAR detector that spots cop cars over the horizon. It's just my opinion, but I think if the US wants to defend Taiwan and is willing to pay the price it can hold off a Chinese invasion of Taiwan.