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Valid sentences in two languages

Risottia
11-12-2006, 14:18
A strange thing.

The sentence "I VITELLI DEI ROMANI SONO BELLI" makes sense both in italian and in latin (never mind punctuation and capitals).

I, VITELLI, DEI ROMANI SONO BELLI in latin means: Go, Vitellius, following the war-call of the Roman god.

I VITELLI DEI ROMANI SONO BELLI in italian means: The veals of the Romans are handsome.

Do you know any other sentence that makes sense in more than one language?
Tharkent
11-12-2006, 14:21
A strange thing.

The sentence "I VITELLI DEI ROMANI SONO BELLI" makes sense both in italian and in latin (never mind punctuation and capitals).

I, VITELLI, DEI ROMANI SONO BELLI in latin means: Go, Vitellius, following the war-call of the Roman god.

I VITELLI DEI ROMANI SONO BELLI in italian means: The veals of the Romans are handsome.

Do you know any other sentence that makes sense in more than one language?

Nope. But Thai and English share the same verb 'to die'
Colodia
11-12-2006, 15:29
In b4 Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo, etc.

Look it up, it's a valid sentence with a string of like half a dozen buffalos.
Sarkhaan
11-12-2006, 15:36
In b4 Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo, etc.

Look it up, it's a valid sentence with a string of like half a dozen buffalos.
Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

To translate, replace Buffalo (the city) with London, buffalo (the animal) with cat, and buffalo (the action) with scratch.
London cats London cats scratch scratch London cats

In other words, London cats, who other London cats scratch, themselves scratch London cats.
The Blaatschapen
11-12-2006, 15:41
I know a joke that works in 2 languages, both in german and in dutch :)
HC Eredivisie
11-12-2006, 15:53
I know a joke that works in 2 languages, both in german and in dutch :)

well, tell it:p
The Blaatschapen
11-12-2006, 15:54
No, the dutch version doesn't work when typed, only when told, stupid -dt :)
HC Eredivisie
11-12-2006, 15:55
Typ it it German then:rolleyes: :p
Kryozerkia
11-12-2006, 15:57
"The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog." amazingly works in American English, Canadian English, British English, Australian English... :p
The Blaatschapen
11-12-2006, 15:59
Typ it it German then:rolleyes: :p

My german spelling is not that well, when talking I can easily make mistakes without noticing, when writing I tend to look at every word and just wonder if it's correct or not and then it will take me hours and hours and hou...
Whereyouthinkyougoing
11-12-2006, 16:01
My german spelling is not that well, when talking I can easily make mistakes without noticing, when writing I tend to look at every word and just wonder if it's correct or not and then it will take me hours and hours and hou...
... not to mention that we will point and laugh. http://i.imdb.com/Photos/CMSIcons/emoticons/basic2/yes.gif

ETA: Hey, why isn't the smiley displayed? It was there in the beginning and now it's gone. *pouts*
HC Eredivisie
11-12-2006, 16:04
... not to mention that we will point and laugh. http://i.imdb.com/Photos/CMSIcons/emoticons/basic2/yes.gif

Sssh. don't tell him:p
The Blaatschapen
11-12-2006, 16:11
Warum kann ein Seerauber keine Cirkel machen?

Er must pi raten :D
Whereyouthinkyougoing
11-12-2006, 16:13
Warum kann ein Seerauber keine Cirkel machen?

Er must pi raten :D
:p
HC Eredivisie
11-12-2006, 16:18
Warum kann ein Seerauber keine Cirkel machen?

Er must pi raten :D

Words fail me.
The Blaatschapen
11-12-2006, 16:21
Just be happy I didn't tell it in dutch ;)
Bokkiwokki
11-12-2006, 16:42
You will be able to construct many examples using two closely related languages, especially if you ignore the (vitally important, but try to explain that to an anglophone) accents, spacing, capitals, punctuation, etcetera.

Likely candidate language pairs are, indeed, Latin and Italian, Czech and Slowak, Norwegian and Danish, Dutch and Friesian, German and Lëtzebuergesch, Russian and Ukrainian, Spanish and Catalan, Serbian and Croatian, and of course Bulgarian and Macedonian (which, according to some sources, share about 100% vocabulary and grammar :D ).

But then comes the next step: try to construct an example where the sentence really means something in both languages, instead of being a meaningless string of words that can be interpreted as a sentence. Oh, and while you're at it, try one without having to resort to inserting names to replace non-matching words... ;)
Bodies Without Organs
11-12-2006, 16:57
Caesar adsum iam forte, Brutus adarat, Caesar sic in omnibus, Brutus sic inat.

Un singe de boue est un jouet pour l'hiver.
Cullons
11-12-2006, 17:47
how about..


hasta la vista baby
The Atlantian islands
11-12-2006, 18:43
Warum kann ein Seerauber keine Cirkel machen?

Er must pi raten :D
:rolleyes:

......:p Thats so lame its funny. Why didnt you just say it in Dutch, it will look better. (Everyone knows Dutch looks better than German)
Nationalist Sozy
11-12-2006, 23:25
Dutch and Friesian, German and Lëtzebuergesch

That doesn't make much sense.
Laerod
11-12-2006, 23:31
Just be happy I didn't tell it in dutch ;)You mean that wasn't Dutch? It did look like misspelled German afterall, so I thought it was :p
Chingie
12-12-2006, 10:20
Polish polish polish.
Sarkhaan
12-12-2006, 10:23
Polish polish polish.

Well now, that is just awkward for that second pole.
Chingie
12-12-2006, 10:26
Well now, that is just awkward for that second pole.

:D
Monkeypimp
12-12-2006, 10:36
"The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog." amazingly works in American English, Canadian English, British English, Australian English... :p


I assume you were aiming for the sentance with all 26 letters in it, in which case it is 'jumps' not 'jumped'. You want that 's'.
Chingie
12-12-2006, 10:51
Polish polish Polish polish

That works too.
Risottia
12-12-2006, 11:38
Two latin palindromes:

SATOR
AREPO
TENET
OPERA
ROTAS

(aka the Sator square)

En giro torte sol ciclos et rotor igne.
(a strange latin, but latin)
Soviet Haaregrad
12-12-2006, 12:20
Dutch and Friesian

English and Friesian too.

Butter, bread and green cheese is good English and good Friese
Bûter, brea en griene tsiis is guod Ingelsk en guod Frysk.
Akai Oni
12-12-2006, 13:39
You will be able to construct many examples using two closely related languages, especially if you ignore the (vitally important, but try to explain that to an anglophone) accents, spacing, capitals, punctuation, etcetera.

Likely candidate language pairs are, indeed, Latin and Italian, Czech and Slowak, Norwegian and Danish, Dutch and Friesian, German and Lëtzebuergesch, Russian and Ukrainian, Spanish and Catalan, Serbian and Croatian, and of course Bulgarian and Macedonian (which, according to some sources, share about 100% vocabulary and grammar :D ).

But then comes the next step: try to construct an example where the sentence really means something in both languages, instead of being a meaningless string of words that can be interpreted as a sentence. Oh, and while you're at it, try one without having to resort to inserting names to replace non-matching words... ;)

I know that this is going to reveal my disturbing ignorance here, but one of my linguistics professors when we were doing language planning told us that Serbian and Croatian were the same language, but that one of them changed the spelling of some words to make it less like the other. But morphologically, syntactically, phonologically, and lexically they were pretty much identical. Is that true?
Damor
12-12-2006, 14:18
English and Friesian too.

Butter, bread and green cheese is good English and good Friese
Bûter, brea en griene tsiis is guod Ingelsk en guod Frysk.I don't think "guod" is correct. Not what you're looking for anyway..

And it doesn't really sound the same; interpretable, sure, but that's a different criterion.

Anyway, "Stop!" works as a wellformed sentence in most germanic languages.
Edwardis
12-12-2006, 14:20
I know that this is going to reveal my disturbing ignorance here, but one of my linguistics professors when we were doing language planning told us that Serbian and Croatian were the same language, but that one of them changed the spelling of some words to make it less like the other. But morphologically, syntactically, phonologically, and lexically they were pretty much identical. Is that true?

Yes.

Politically, they're separate languages.

But phonetically, phonologically, morphologically, etc, they are the same language.
Red East
12-12-2006, 15:11
I know that this is going to reveal my disturbing ignorance here, but one of my linguistics professors when we were doing language planning told us that Serbian and Croatian were the same language, but that one of them changed the spelling of some words to make it less like the other. But morphologically, syntactically, phonologically, and lexically they were pretty much identical. Is that true?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differences_between_standard_Serbian%2C_Croatian_and_Bosnian

I know it's wikipedia, but.. still. :) It shows the basic differences. Bascally you will get different answers depending on who you ask.

Myself, as a speaker of serbo-croatian, do not see them as seperate languages, instead just as regional dialects. I, for example, don't speak the "standard" serbian of serbia proper. Instead I speak a version of serbian from the Krajina region in Republika Srpska (the serb republic in BiH) which sounds more like bosnian or croatian, yet it's accepted as serbian while bosnian and croatian are not.

It's too complicated, unless you are from the region. :p Hence why I just call it all serbo-croatian even though there are some major differences.
Akai Oni
12-12-2006, 15:26
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differences_between_standard_Serbian%2C_Croatian_and_Bosnian

I know it's wikipedia, but.. still. :) It shows the basic differences. Bascally you will get different answers depending on who you ask.

Myself, as a speaker of serbo-croatian, do not see them as seperate languages, instead just as regional dialects. I, for example, don't speak the "standard" serbian of serbia proper. Instead I speak a version of serbian from the Krajina region in Republika Srpska (the serb republic in BiH) which sounds more like bosnian or croatian, yet it's accepted as serbian while bosnian and croatian are not.

It's too complicated, unless you are from the region. :p Hence why I just call it all serbo-croatian even though there are some major differences.

Yeah 3 of my friends (1 Bosnian, 1 Serbian, 1 Croatian) tried to explain it to me once, but yeah, it was really complicated. I think it was worse because we were all 13 at the time. I'd asked, "How come, if you're all from different countries, and speak different languages, you can all understand each other?" We gave up eventually.

Thanks for all the effort though. Makes things a lot clearer. :fluffle: