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Just out of curiosity, what do you think will happen? The only one I've thought of beside Heaven/Purgatory/Hell/Reincarnation is simply maintaining sentience and existence beyond death, but still in your body. Alone. Isolated forever. We'd probably all lose our sanity.

slow decomposition.

who say i'am going to die

I'm an agnostic how the hell should I know?

And you sadly can’t imagine not existing since to imagine you have to picture something which not existing does not involve, so there goes Atheists

I'm an agnostic how the hell should I know?

And you sadly can’t imagine not existing since to imagine you have to picture something which not existing does not involve, so there goes Atheists

Uhh...what?

My corpse will cool down to room temperature, get stiff (rigor mortis) and rot a bit. Then it will be washed, dressed, put in a wooden box and sent to the crematorium - not that I will be there to check.

Mortuus est, magna pu polenta.
(Once dead, no more eating polenta. Milanese saying)

All experience ends.
Our awareness is nothing more than a phenomenon that arises as a result of our physical make up and electro-chemical activity. When this activity ceases (death) awareness ceases as well.

Same thing that happened before you were born; nothing. Of course, you don't know that because "you" doesn't exist anymore.

I probably won't smell too good.

Same thing that happened before you were born; nothing. Of course, you don't know that because "you" doesn't exist anymore.

what if you where re-animated? *goes about to prove you wrong*

I probably won't smell too good.

what if you died in a horrible perfume incident?

Same thing that happened before you were born; nothing. Of course, you don't know that because "you" doesn't exist anymore.

Thats pretty much it as far as I am concerned.... hit the nail on the head...

Its tough for the ol egocentric human brain to deal with... but thats what we have to look forward to...

So better enjoy life while you have it, because you wont be around to enjoy it when you're dead :)

what if you where re-animated? *goes about to prove you wrong*


well then you would be alive ... so you wouldn't be dead... so it wouldn't be after you were dead...

Kreynoria;12068470']Just out of curiosity, what do you think will happen? The only one I've thought of beside Heaven/Purgatory/Hell/Reincarnation is simply maintaining sentience and existence beyond death, but still in your body. Alone. Isolated forever. We'd probably all lose our sanity.
When you die, your consciousness stops. From your point of view, nothing "happens" any more.

I honestly don't understand why so many people find this scary or depressing. Why should it be scary to know that one's existence is finite?

what if you where re-animated? *goes about to prove you wrong*

then your the undead,who needs a bullet to the head

what if you where re-animated? *goes about to prove you wrong*

This was about what we believe, correct? I don't believe that happens.

I honestly don't understand why so many people find this scary or depressing. Why should it be scary to know that one's existence is finite?

Agreed. Life is far more scary than death.

As has been said, when you die--that's it. Period. There's nothing else. No afterlife. No consciousness. You're simply dead. You decompose. You might be cremated. And there's nothing else.

Anyone who says differently is just terrified of death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death

Also: According to Doom III, we all burn in Hell when we die. But, that's just a video game, with some of the more amusing Christian misinformation in it(the whole pentagram thing, for instance.)

buried: you leave a worm ridden corpse

cremated: either you end up scatter over some insignificant spec of land, or you get put on someones mantelpiece for some perverse sentiment.

other ways: variations of above, according to method.

(i'll probaly find more extensive burial metods later)

Your body starts to decompose, the people who loved you mourn and hopefully will remember you long after you're gone.

Then you are food for worms and other beasties and give some nutrients to the earth.

The end.

" What happens when you die ? "

:rolleyes:
Life goes on... ?

what if you died in a horrible perfume incident?
Is that an accident involving horrible perfume (in which case you probably wouldn't smell too good) or a horrible accident involving perfume (in which case there's a better chance you'd smell good)?

As for the original question - my organs will be removed from my body and put to good use, and then the people who claim to love me will do something with the rest of my body.

I'll be cremated, I'll be made into a diamond and I'll be sold to benefit the charity of my choice.


That or I'll donate my body to science.

I'll be cremated, I'll be made into a diamond and I'll be sold to benefit the charity of my choice.


That or I'll donate my body to science.

thats so overrated. i'd rather donate my body to body mutilators. or as a toy to 3 year old, or some cannibal tribe.

thats so overrated. i'd rather donate my body to body mutilators. or as a toy to 3 year old, or some cannibal tribe.

Why?

That or I'll donate my body to science.
I'm torn between making a joke about your sexual prowess in the positive or the negative and the applications thereof.

I'll be cremated, I'll be made into a diamond and I'll be sold to benefit the charity of my choice.


That or I'll donate my body to science.
Give your body to Gunther von Hagens. :)

Your conscience ceases to exist, and you as a personality and an individual becomes only a memory to those who have lived amongst you and know of you, and perhaps if you're lucky, if you become a well-known individual, or at least have had people who were considerate enough to preserve your memory.

And your physical entity (e.g. your body) becomes a lifeless thing, devoid. Simply put, your body becomes a corpse the moment you lose your conscience for good. And there are scientific explanations for what would appear to be supernatural entities (e.g. ghosts of dead people that you may know or God or the Devil or an angel) appearing as you die (or better, suffer a near-death experience).

slow decomposition.

Fast decomposition. I'll opt for being cremated

I'm torn between making a joke about your sexual prowess in the positive or the negative and the applications thereof.
:confused:
Give your body to Gunther von Hagens. :)

That would be cool......

i seriously doubt i will die. my will power keep me alive until a time i see fit for my body to absorbed into the soil.

Why?

why not? and besides it is as fruitfull as donating your body to science.

why not? and besides it is as fruitfull as donating your body to science.

Not really. I don't see body mutilators, 3 year olds or cannibals using my organs to save lives and using what's left to educate would be doctors.

:confused:

Basically I either:

A. Make a joke about how your sexual prowess is incredible and scientists should experiment on your dead body to figure out what it is that makes you so sexually capable and use the findings to create a method to pass such results on to others.

B. Make a joke about how your sexual prowess is so lackluster and incapable that scientists should experiment on you to figure out what it is about you that makes your sexual prowess so and weaponize it.

why not? and besides it is as fruitfull as donating your body to science.
What do you mean when you say, "donating your body to science"? I mean, what exactly do you think is done with your body when you donate it to "science"?

Not really. I don't see body mutilators, 3 year olds or cannibals using my organs to save lives and using what's left to educate would be doctors.
How many universities in Ireland still use human dissection as a method of teaching? In the UK it's really very few.

Is it truly possible to ask so, out of curiosity? I dont think so!

No body dies, but the mind ( ) and then nothing happens

Mind is thought, its dead allready, buy we expresse it, put it to life, as desire and fear, wits are actually the exact same thing, but seperated in order to keep up a constant of interest, the "I" and its creater - the sociaty, is the opject of consistence and interest..

It is mind, the desire and fear, that dies. All you life you spent whorshipping dead things, and as a living dead, by desires and fears you have been identifying your self with the dead opjects, in order to maintain sociaty as it is, as it created "I", your self image, your going to die! The living one, can never die. Only the dead one can be occupied with death, the law of attraction asure that this one is going to die. Infact must of you are probarbly allready dead, and so it feels natural to you to be conserned with questions about death. It simply applies to your natural state;
thought - mind - desires and fears - all dead stoff!

In reality, the body never dies, its just exchanging electrons, neutrons etc.

How many universities in Ireland still use human dissection as a method of teaching? In the UK it's really very few.

UCD does, at least, according to one of the guys staying with me doing radiology.

How many universities in Ireland still use human dissection as a method of teaching? In the UK it's really very few.
Funny you should ask this, because my office is directly across the hall from the Gross Anatomy lab that my university uses to educate medical and pre-med students.

The lab is also used to teach human neuroanatomy, in a course that I took last year. I can say with complete honesty that using the specimens in that lab helped me in a way that no books or pictures possibly could. Getting to handle a preserved human brain, and various disected preps and slices, was amazingly informative. Indeed, students who attended the optional lab portion of the course did almost an entire letter grade better with the exam material than students who did not!

What do you mean when you say, "donating your body to science"? I mean, what exactly do you think is done with your body when you donate it to "science"?

well probaly is my organs put on jars or in people (like I would like some idiot to live because of me) and various parts the same. in any case I would not like some unknown people who I probaly don't like, to benefit from my corpse.

being carved up, analyzed or some such for probaly no real benefit.
then you can find other entertaining ways to use your corpse.

Not really. I don't see body mutilators, 3 year olds or cannibals using my organs to save lives and using what's left to educate would be doctors.

like i WANT people to be saved, let them suffer horrible and die.

What do you mean when you say, "donating your body to science"? I mean, what exactly do you think is done with your body when you donate it to "science"?

When my granddad died, his body went to the local medical school for their students to use. After a couple of months or so, he was cremated and my step-grandmother got the ashes. She was never told any more than that, which is SOP from what I understand. I don't think she'd have wanted to know anyway.

well probaly is my organs put on jars or in people (like I would like some idiot to live because of me) and various parts the same. in any case I would not like some unknown people who I probaly don't like, to benefit from my corpse.

Well, that's a bit different from what you were saying before. It seemed like you were saying that people would benefit just as much from you giving your body to a 3 year old as from you giving it to science. Now you appear to be admitting that people would probably benefit more if you gave your body to science, but you don't WANT them to benefit.

Funny you should ask this, because my office is directly across the hall from the Gross Anatomy lab that my university uses to educate medical and pre-med students.

The lab is also used to teach human neuroanatomy, in a course that I took last year. I can say with complete honesty that using the specimens in that lab helped me in a way that no books or pictures possibly could. Getting to handle a preserved human brain, and various disected preps and slices, was amazingly informative. Indeed, students who attended the optional lab portion of the course did almost an entire letter grade better with the exam material than students who did not!


NPR did a series on the gross anatomy lab at the University of Maryland a couple of years ago. (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4493690) Fascating stuff.

NPR did a series on the gross anatomy lab at the University of Maryland a couple of years ago. (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4493690) Fascating stuff.
Personally, I wouldn't want to know that the young doctor opperating on me has never even seen the inside of a real human body! I'd rather they get to have a little experience with already-dead bodies before they start trying to cut into live ones.

Well, that's a bit different from what you were saying before. It seemed like you were saying that people would benefit just as much from you giving your body to a 3 year old as from you giving it to science. Now you appear to be admitting that people would probably benefit more if you gave your body to science, but you don't WANT them to benefit.

true. I need to learn to use the best words to put my opinions across.
that said, I have little faith in science (as something helpful for people, most scientist don't care about people IMO)

Funny you should ask this, because my office is directly across the hall from the Gross Anatomy lab that my university uses to educate medical and pre-med students.

The lab is also used to teach human neuroanatomy, in a course that I took last year. I can say with complete honesty that using the specimens in that lab helped me in a way that no books or pictures possibly could. Getting to handle a preserved human brain, and various disected preps and slices, was amazingly informative. Indeed, students who attended the optional lab portion of the course did almost an entire letter grade better with the exam material than students who did not!
A lot of my friends at uni (in Leicester) are studying medicine, and they get to practice human dissection - it's a compulsory part of the course (I almost typed corpse :p). Apparently it's not a coincidence that Leicester has possibly the best and most respected medical school in the country.

How many universities in Ireland still use human dissection as a method of teaching? In the UK it's really very few.

It's still part of the curriculum at German universities.

apart from rotting? nothing. once the brain stops we cease to be.

i think, therefore i am. once you're dead you no longer am.

like i WANT people to be saved, let them suffer horrible and die.
Your hate for all of existence is puzzling.
Personally, I wouldn't want to know that the young doctor opperating on me has never even seen the inside of a real human body! I'd rather they get to have a little experience with already-dead bodies before they start trying to cut into live ones.
After all, it's sooooo much harder to kill a corpse. And they tend not to sue for medical malpractice.

Give your body to Gunther von Hagens. :)

That would be cool......
Not cool. Seriously uncool. He's a crook.
Most of the stuff on that is going to be in German, and I don't have time to an extensive search right now anyway, but in the English wiki link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunther_von_Hagens) there's a whole section on "Legal Accusations".
So even if you're not offended by him claiming that he just "provides a public service by scientifically educating the public about the human body" while actually presenting the corpses in a highly sensationalist manner by putting them in undignified "artistic" poses, you might at least be appalled by him illegally buying up corpses from prisons, hospitals and mental institutions in the former SU and China.
And yeah, I know that none of the accusations have been proven so far, but from what I remember reading and seeing about his dealings back when he first started becoming known here, "shady" doesn't even come close to describe his business.

I think you get born "again" as you. This is the only set of "coordinates" in space-time in which you can exist; if you existed in a different set then you wouldn't be you but somebody else. It's like Groundhog Day (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107048/) but with your whole life, not just one day. You get a chance to make up the things you did wrong, but you don't get to remember what those things were because they haven't actually happened yet.

Regardless of what anyone thinks, however, it is pretty certain that you don't get to remain "here" in any manner which allows you to directly affect events that occur after the time of your death. Maybe you get reincarnated, maybe you go to heaven or hell, whatever those terms mean to you, or maybe you go nowhere. It really doesn't matter at all, because none of those places allow you to have any choices which affect the things which remain in any way which isn't too subtle for the living to detect. So what good does it do to use the time you have to argue about it? You could be using your choices to discover a cure for cancer, or to make life better for the people in your neighborhood, but it seems most people would rather fight over shit that has no bearing on anything and can never be proven. Great job. If you do happen to believe in an afterlife, I'm sure everyone there will be very proud of you for choosing to spend your time that way. If you don't, then all you're proving by arguing about it is how worthless your life really is.

Go do something good.

You turn into dust.

like i WANT people to be saved, let them suffer horrible and die.
http://memepedia.info/images/5/5b/Hatecat.jpg

:rolleyes: Try to remember what it was like before you were born. That ought to come pretty near.

Not cool. Seriously uncool. He's a crook.
Most of the stuff on that is going to be in German, and I don't have time to an extensive search right now anyway, but in the English wiki link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunther_von_Hagens) there's a whole section on "Legal Accusations".
So even if you're not offended by him claiming that he just "provides a public service by scientifically educating the public about the human body" while actually presenting the corpses in a highly sensationalist manner by putting them in undignified "artistic" poses, you might at least be appalled by him illegally buying up corpses from prisons, hospitals and mental institutions in the former SU and China.
And yeah, I know that none of the accusations have been proven so far, but from what I remember reading and seeing about his dealings back when he first started becoming known here, "shady" doesn't even come close to describe his business.

I went to one of his exhibitions.. I so wanted to donate meself. *nods*

..but.. he's a mad scientist?

Not cool. Seriously uncool. He's a crook.
Most of the stuff on that is going to be in German, and I don't have time to an extensive search right now anyway, but in the English wiki link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunther_von_Hagens) there's a whole section on "Legal Accusations".
So even if you're not offended by him claiming that he just "provides a public service by scientifically educating the public about the human body" while actually presenting the corpses in a highly sensationalist manner by putting them in undignified "artistic" poses, you might at least be appalled by him illegally buying up corpses from prisons, hospitals and mental institutions in the former SU and China.
And yeah, I know that none of the accusations have been proven so far, but from what I remember reading and seeing about his dealings back when he first started becoming known here, "shady" doesn't even come close to describe his business.
Yeah, I read that. I like what he's doing (not the possibly illegal part) because he's doing something that needs to be done - make science entertaining.

The Body Worlds exhibitions do strike me as being somewhat sensationalist, but I hadn't heard of that before I saw the Autopsy series of programmes he did on Channel 4 here at the start of the year - which, I have to say, were absolutely fascinating.

A lot of my friends at uni (in Leicester) are studying medicine, and they get to practice human dissection - it's a compulsory part of the course (I almost typed corpse :p). Apparently it's not a coincidence that Leicester has possibly the best and most respected medical school in the country.
This is the case in Leeds, too. A rather morbid sense of humor seems to be standard among the medics I know - particularly when it comes to naked dead old guys... On the other hand, they are expected to attend the funeral of the guy when they're finished with him, which is a nice touch.

As for me - I'm going to donate my body to science, with a request that my skull is donated to some sort of art department. My A-level art teacher had her mum's skull on the filing cabinet, for the students to use. I like the idea of my head on a shelf in some sunny drawing room somewhere. :)

Not cool. Seriously uncool. He's a crook.
Most of the stuff on that is going to be in German, and I don't have time to an extensive search right now anyway, but in the English wiki link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunther_von_Hagens) there's a whole section on "Legal Accusations".
So even if you're not offended by him claiming that he just "provides a public service by scientifically educating the public about the human body" while actually presenting the corpses in a highly sensationalist manner by putting them in undignified "artistic" poses, you might at least be appalled by him illegally buying up corpses from prisons, hospitals and mental institutions in the former SU and China.
And yeah, I know that none of the accusations have been proven so far, but from what I remember reading and seeing about his dealings back when he first started becoming known here, "shady" doesn't even come close to describe his business.
Meh, I'll be dead, like I'll give a shit about ethics.
I went to one of his exhibitions.. I so wanted to donate meself. *nods*

..but.. he's a mad scientist?

The best kind ;)

I'm not an atheist/agnostic, so I'm not getting into what happens to the "you" part of you when you die, but regarding the corpse part of you -- why is everyone so concerned with what happens to our bodies when we're dead?

We're dead. No matter what one thinks happens to the consciousness, the one thing that's certain is that the body doesn't work anymore, and there's no consciousness in it. Once we're dead, our body is just some left over trash. You know, once you put your trash out on the street -- once it's certain you are throwing it away -- it's not yours anymore. Anyone can come and pick through it for any reason they like with no complaint from you because you threw it away and, presumably don't need it and don't want it anymore. Same with your rotting corpse. You're not using it. What do you care what anyone else does with it?

I'm kind of the "Soylent Green" school of thought. I see the body as a resource that should be put to good use, as a kind of late payback for all the resources we took from the world to keep that body going while we were using it. So I'm an organ donor, and I'd happily donate my body to science, and I'd want the leftovers cremated and used for fertilizer and/or buried without embalming so the worms can eat it more easily. If anyone wants a souvenir -- or reassurance that I'm really gone ;) -- they can have some of my bones, if they like, but I want my corpse recycled as much as possible.

My favorite kind of funeral is the Tibetan "sky burial" in which the corpse is fed to scavengers outdoors, with people watching to make sure they get it all. I wish I could do that with my leftovers.

EDIT: I say I want my left overs recycled, but, of course, I'll be dead and not there to supervise, so ... feh ... whatever. Let some psycho make a dress out of my skin, with my spleen for a hat, for all I'll care at that point.

Meh, I'll be dead, like I'll give a shit about ethics.


please note you are now on 2 points today.

please note you are now on 2 points today.

2 points of what?

2 points of what?

Maybe he's busted you for speeding?

This is the case in Leeds, too. A rather morbid sense of humor seems to be standard among the medics I know - particularly when it comes to naked dead old guys... On the other hand, they are expected to attend the funeral of the guy when they're finished with him, which is a nice touch.
Are you sure they have a funeral? At Leicester apparently they just bung them all in the incinerator then have a memorial service for them. I have been considering donating my body to a university for that, but requesting they don't have a memorial service/funeral for my body.

As for me - I'm going to donate my body to science, with a request that my skull is donated to some sort of art department. My A-level art teacher had her mum's skull on the filing cabinet, for the students to use. I like the idea of my head on a shelf in some sunny drawing room somewhere. :)
Another idea of mine was to donate my body to the university with a request that they stuff me and put me permanently riding the paternoster in one of the university buildings.

I'm not an atheist/agnostic, so I'm not getting into what happens to the "you" part of you when you die, but regarding the corpse part of you -- why is everyone so concerned with what happens to our bodies when we're dead?

Because I dislike the idea of unnecessary waste. Also, I care about my loved ones (many of whom will likely live after I am dead), and I know that many of them would find comfort/closure from some kind of respectful use of my body after I die.


We're dead. No matter what one thinks happens to the consciousness, the one thing that's certain is that the body doesn't work anymore, and there's no consciousness in it. Once we're dead, our body is just some left over trash. You know, once you put your trash out on the street -- once it's certain you are throwing it away -- it's not yours anymore.

Just because my body is of no use to ME after I die does not mean it is of no used to anybody.

It's kind of like the difference between throwing out used clothes versus donating them to charity. If you've got a perfectly good pair of pants that you simply aren't using any more, why toss them into a landfill when somebody else could get a ton of use out of them?


Anyone can come and pick through it for any reason they like with no complaint from you because you threw it away and, presumably don't need it and don't want it anymore. Same with your rotting corpse. You're not using it. What do you care what anyone else does with it?

If I ever actually "threw out" my body, I would accept this reasoning. However, death typically doesn't work that way. Most people aren't junking their body because they don't want it any more; a lot of them don't want to die at all! The fact that human beings are only able to live for a finite period of time doesn't mean that we are all gleefully throwing away our bodies because we don't want them.

Furthermore, something doesn't have to belong to you for you to care about what is done with it.


I'm kind of the "Soylent Green" school of thought. I see the body as a resource that should be put to good use, as a kind of late payback for all the resources we took from the world to keep that body going while we were using it. So I'm an organ donor, and I'd happily donate my body to science, and I'd want the leftovers cremated and used for fertilizer and/or buried without embalming so the worms can eat it more easily. If anyone wants a souvenir -- or reassurance that I'm really gone ;) -- they can have some of my bones, if they like, but I want my corpse recycled as much as possible.

My favorite kind of funeral is the Tibetan "sky burial" in which the corpse is fed to scavengers outdoors, with people watching to make sure they get it all. I wish I could do that with my leftovers.
I don't believe anybody is entitled to my body, or that I owe it to anybody to give them my body (either before or after I die). However, I do believe that I will choose to donate my body for certain purposes because I believe them to be good purposes.

Kreynoria;12068470']Just out of curiosity, what do you think will happen? The only one I've thought of beside Heaven/Purgatory/Hell/Reincarnation is simply maintaining sentience and existence beyond death, but still in your body. Alone. Isolated forever. We'd probably all lose our sanity.
Uh... nothing. You just die.

Are you sure they have a funeral? At Leicester apparently they just bung them all in the incinerator then have a memorial service for them. I have been considering donating my body to a university for that, but requesting they don't have a memorial service/funeral for my body.
Maybe that's it. There was some sort of service, either way.
Another idea of mine was to donate my body to the university with a request that they stuff me and put me permanently riding the paternoster in one of the university buildings.
Hmm, this will require some thought.

Epikur said something in the spriti of: don't worry about death. If you are here, death is away and if death happens you can not mourn it.

hell if i'am going it be by jumping on a bomb to save someone
messy way to go but you use your body up to let someone keep living

Because I dislike the idea of unnecessary waste. Also, I care about my loved ones (many of whom will likely live after I am dead), and I know that many of them would find comfort/closure from some kind of respectful use of my body after I die.


Just because my body is of no use to ME after I die does not mean it is of no used to anybody.

It's kind of like the difference between throwing out used clothes versus donating them to charity. If you've got a perfectly good pair of pants that you simply aren't using any more, why toss them into a landfill when somebody else could get a ton of use out of them?


If I ever actually "threw out" my body, I would accept this reasoning. However, death typically doesn't work that way. Most people aren't junking their body because they don't want it any more; a lot of them don't want to die at all! The fact that human beings are only able to live for a finite period of time doesn't mean that we are all gleefully throwing away our bodies because we don't want them.

Furthermore, something doesn't have to belong to you for you to care about what is done with it.


I don't believe anybody is entitled to my body, or that I owe it to anybody to give them my body (either before or after I die). However, I do believe that I will choose to donate my body for certain purposes because I believe them to be good purposes.
Selfish cow.

KIDDING KIDDING KIDDING!!!! *fawn*:D*fawn* Sorry, I'm in a mood today.

I was just trying to tell people how I think about it. I'm not saying I'm right. I'm also not saying it matters what I think, because the living will do with my corpse whatever they like. Make dice out of my bones or have me mummified and laid to rest in a giant pyramid surrounded by fine furniture and golden tchotchkes to make themselves feel better. Whatever floats their boat. In fact, they might make a boat out of me and float it. And who knows, it might turn out that my consciousness will survive and I will care what they do, but I don't think I'll have much say in the matter, whether I like it or not. My philosophy about death is pretty much the same as my philosophy about life -- I try not to worry about things I can't control at all. So, just like you, I tell people what I think should be done with my body when I'm done with it, but beyond that, it's really up to them, not me.

EDIT: The part I wonder about is why people seem to get so anxious about it. I understand that some people have the religious belief that the body has to be preserved for one or another reason, but that's a way of thinking I don't understand, but whatever -- my religion doesn't make sense to them, either. There are also people who don't claim a religious reason for thinking that way, and they can be just as adamant about their corpses. Maybe it reflects a fear of their own deaths, or something. I don't know.

I don't believe anybody is entitled to my body, or that I owe it to anybody to give them my body (either before or after I die). However, I do believe that I will choose to donate my body for certain purposes because I believe them to be good purposes.

Hey, you can always donate it to some necrophiliacs.

Hey, you can always donate it to some necrophiliacs.

Quick, before she gets cold... :D

How nice. Most believers go to hell because they can't possibly meet the prescriptions of their religion. Hell is not a nice place. I would much rather be able to follow reasonable moral guidelines. A lot of religious guidelines are not reasonable.

what if you died in a horrible perfume incident?

I believe perfume has a finite lasting time less than of a decomposing body. Anyway, I was quoting from Airplane.

I will most probably donate my body to be used for organ transplants and training medical students, both will provide benefit to someone else, I know a guy who is studying medicine at Cambridge who has regular human dissection classes and says they are perhaps the best use of time to get to know human anatomy.

How nice. Most believers go to hell because they can't possibly meet the prescriptions of their religion. Hell is not a nice place. I would much rather be able to follow reasonable moral guidelines. A lot of religious guidelines are not reasonable.

If South Park has taught us nothing else, it's that Hell is the place to be! :p

If South Park has taught us nothing else, it's that Hell is the place to be! :p

Well, it's better than there being no afterlife, and we're sexually abusing your corpse at a necrophiliac convention.

Well, it's better than there being no afterlife, and we're sexually abusing your corpse at a necrophiliac convention.
Is there at least a anime con in the same building?

Is there at least a anime con in the same building?

Ok, we dress your corpse up like Sango, and then we proceed to have sex with it... and post the video on YouTube...

Ok, we dress your corpse up like Sango, and then we proceed to have sex with it... and post the video on YouTube...
Sango? You monsters! I demand to at least be dressed like Vampire Miyu!

Kreynoria;12068470']Just out of curiosity, what do you think will happen? The only one I've thought of beside Heaven/Purgatory/Hell/Reincarnation is simply maintaining sentience and existence beyond death, but still in your body. Alone. Isolated forever. We'd probably all lose our sanity.

A hot fiery end. I'll be cremated. Beyond that, not sure.

Ok, we dress your corpse up like Sango, and then we proceed to have sex with it... and post the video on YouTube...

and Cops on the door step next day

Sango? You monsters! I demand to at least be dressed like Vampire Miyu!

You're lucky we didn't doll you up like Corina Bucksworth...

Kreynoria;12068470']Just out of curiosity, what do you think will happen? The only one I've thought of beside Heaven/Purgatory/Hell/Reincarnation is simply maintaining sentience and existence beyond death, but still in your body. Alone. Isolated forever. We'd probably all lose our sanity.

ceasing to exist.
rotting.
no longer being concious

Personally, I feel that we survive after death, most likely as a field of quantum particles that produces the effects of mind without the body. All the body does is give us sensory perception and translate mental actions in to physical ones, while the mind is produced at a quantum level.

Of course, undoubtedly the lack of sensory perception after death is rather boring (you can't simulate biochemicals, I'm afraid) and so you'd end up wanting to go back, wherein you, God, random quantum action or whatever causes things to happen in the universe simply collapse yourself back in to our reality. Maybe that's why we don't have pre-birth memories, because they're lost or inaccessible after collapse and only reaccessible after death.

Either that, or there is a supernatural soul that survives. There is simply too much evidence from all cultures throughout human history for some kind of survival to dismiss it; there's a ton of different ideas on it, but the general consensus is that something does live on. I think it makes more sense, personally.

When you die, your consciousness stops. From your point of view, nothing "happens" any more.

I honestly don't understand why so many people find this scary or depressing. Why should it be scary to know that one's existence is finite?

I rather enjoy existing.


I like learning. It would be extremely dissapointing to have to stop learning. Unless I had somehow learned everything.

Kreynoria;12068470']Just out of curiosity, what do you think will happen? The only one I've thought of beside Heaven/Purgatory/Hell/Reincarnation is simply maintaining sentience and existence beyond death, but still in your body. Alone. Isolated forever. We'd probably all lose our sanity.and you just explained the for the invention of religion-fear of death

You die. And your dead. You don't imagine anything, cause your dead. Unless of course you die from Solanum and reanimate as a zombie.

Well, that's a bit different from what you were saying before. It seemed like you were saying that people would benefit just as much from you giving your body to a 3 year old as from you giving it to science. Now you appear to be admitting that people would probably benefit more if you gave your body to science, but you don't WANT them to benefit.
Or maybe they would benefit MORE from his body going to the 3-year old than to science.
According to you, the reason that he should give his body to science is to save lives, correct? Now, lets say that one corpse handed over to a medical school can save a dozen people who might otherwise have died for lack of organs or experiences surgeons. So, if he gives his body to science, he saves that dozen people, and that's the end of it.
HOWEVER, were he not to give his corpse to the medical school, those dozen people will all die, and then the school can pick up 12 bodies from them instead of just his one, and since each of those 12 can be used to save 12 others, the school now has the resources to save 144 lives.
But, it gets even better if those 12 all refuse to hand their bodies over to science, because then that group of 144 dies, and then we have the resources to save 1,728 people!
Now, do you want to tell little Billy that he and his 1,727 relatives all have to die so you can selfishly save 12 people through an act of charity? I didn't think so.

As a global sceptic, I can't hold a belief on that issue.

However, I find it puzzling that theists find it difficult to accept that some people think life just ends. When you die, your consciousness goes away for the final time and never comes back. You simply end. What wrong with that?

Personally if I have to go in the christian sense, if you've read the Inferno by Dante, a wonderful description of where you go if you've sinned, I'd rather be in the section reserved for pre-christian philosophers like Plato and Socrates, that way I could at least while away my time in eternity with a decent conversation and maybe a bottle of wine.

By the way, I am a deist in many senses, so I believe in god but not in the sense of most religious texts which are a bit too irrational for my liking.

Your body decomposes.

All of you, electrical energy, whatever-energy-we-don't-understand is recycled.

End of story. Some of your 'parts' will be recycled into other things...but that's no reincarnation.

I intending of bloating, stinking, rotting and being devoured from the inside by maggots and my own internal microfauna.

Why would I care what happens after my death? All that is imported then is that your family lives on and that people who need it can use my organs. What happens to me, I don't know. I prefer not to be concerned with it and I prefer not to believe what cannot be proven.

Kreynoria;12068470']Just out of curiosity, what do you think will happen? The only one I've thought of beside Heaven/Purgatory/Hell/Reincarnation is simply maintaining sentience and existence beyond death, but still in your body. Alone. Isolated forever. We'd probably all lose our sanity.

I doubt the process of death itself is entirely conducive to maintaining sanity in the first place - especially if examples of reaching that point are to be credited.

How about - some of us find sheer pleasure in roaming around as semi-conscious voices to influence one's conscience into options and alternatives to otherwise dogmatic and fallaciously disciplined thinking? Or the opposite? Or both?
And when the decision is made to incorporate the philosophy, some of the directive and the energy itself is absorbed into the being and the act?

Cremation.

As far as the dead person is concerned, existence ends. There is nothing further.

They don't know what happens, so why ask?

As far as the dead person is concerned, existence ends. There is nothing further.


How do you know that?

How do you know that?

Because all evidence points towards consciousness being electrical thingies in the brain. Reactions... No. Impulses. That's the word.

Anyways, the electrical impluses end upon death.

Because all evidence points towards consciousness being electrical thingies in the brain. Reactions... No. Impulses. That's the word.

Anyways, the electrical impluses end upon death.



Science can't and never will be able to say what happens when you die, its impossible. The only people who know the truth are dead, and dead men tell no tales.

I believe it's entirely upto the individual, what ever makes you comfortable. Until it becomes a return trip we will never know.

How do you know that?

I don't, but the OP was asking for our opinions, so I gave mine.

I don't, but the OP was asking for our opinions, so I gave mine.


The thing is some people pass that off as fact and anybody who disagrees is a *beep* moron. So I ask everytime to test that...Seems you don't act that way...Good for you.:fluffle:

Kreynoria;12068470']Just out of curiosity, what do you think will happen? The only one I've thought of beside Heaven/Purgatory/Hell/Reincarnation is simply maintaining sentience and existence beyond death, but still in your body. Alone. Isolated forever. We'd probably all lose our sanity.
Could be anything. Knowing that you don't know what will happen is what being agnostic is all about.

Well, as I see it.... all living beings upon death decay, and eventually are assimilated in the ground that they are buried... so basically, what happenend when I die? I return to the soil, the soil gives birth to plants, the plants feed animels, which in turn feed other animels...
I just see death not as an end but part of the usual cycle of life...
As for your entity, the spirit... well, one case say that the essence itself joins with that of the planet... if you go by the fact that human thoughts are basically checmicals and electricity in our brain... that too assimilates in the earth.

And I'm not one to believe in the afterworld...

The most that can be said about what happens to "us" after we die is nothing at all.

Kreynoria;12068470']Just out of curiosity, what do you think will happen? The only one I've thought of beside Heaven/Purgatory/Hell/Reincarnation is simply maintaining sentience and existence beyond death, but still in your body. Alone. Isolated forever. We'd probably all lose our sanity.

You assume that your mind continues to exist. When you die, your mind is gone. Think of it as words on your computer screen. While the electricity flows through the monitor they remain. They contain information. They spell out a message. When that electricity stops flowing, the words disappear. The energy in them is scattered and eventually converted into heat.

Science can't and never will be able to say what happens when you die, its impossible. The only people who know the truth are dead, and dead men tell no tales.

If they cease to exist, as all the reliable evidence available to me now indicates, then the dead don't know either because they no longer exist.

Eh, there's some pretty convincing evidence out there that something happens after we die, things like kids being able to recall events from "past lives" and all that. Whether it's supernatural or not is a mystery to me, but there's a ton of evidence that nobody has ever explained that suggests things don't just stop. Fill that in with whatever belief system you want, but it's definitely there.

My guess is it's something on the quantum level; the mind really appears to be an emergent property that stems from something far lower than the brain as we see it. We die, the mind remains on the quantum level, but since we no longer have sensory input we'd naturally get bored (or even close to insanity), and just randomly collapse ourselves back in to a new reality. The old you is either totally or partially forgotten, and you're "back" in a new reality.

Of course, it's also true a lot of the quantum-level stuff sounds suspiciously similar to the "soul" or supernatural forces, so I'm leaning towards that.

My atoms/energy will return to the sun, and then either chill in space for eternity or reunite with all the matter and energy in the universe and then disperse again, possibly contributing to other beings' consciousnesses. And that's as close to an afterlife as we can get.

If they cease to exist, as all the reliable evidence available to me now indicates, then the dead don't know either because they no longer exist.



The problem is you are relying off of "evidence" that doesn't exist. You can't study what happens to a person after they die, you can only study it up to the point they die, the body and what happens to it not what happens after. You can't study what happens after you die, so you have no "evidence", just theories from people looking to explain the unexplainable. Shove along.

The problem is you are relying off of "evidence" that doesn't exist. You can't study what happens to a person after they die, you can only study it up to the point they die, the body and what happens to it not what happens after. You can't study what happens after you die, so you have no "evidence", just theories from people looking to explain the unexplainable. Shove along.

No, I'm using evidence like the fact that our thoughts and emotions can be traced to activity in very specific regions of the brain and that one's personality can be radically changed by damage to regions of the brain. That suggests that our personalities, intellect, the intangible aspect of us is a manifestation of stimulation of various parts of a roughly three pound lump of meat.

Stop being so fucking arrogant. I only stated my conclusion based on the evidence available to me. You, however, assumed I'm some idiot. That tells me a lot about your level of intelligence.

No, I'm using evidence like the fact that our thoughts and emotions can be traced to activity in very specific regions of the brain and that one's personality can be radically changed by damage to regions of the brain. That suggests that our personalities, intellect, the intangible aspect of us is a manifestation of stimulation of various parts of a roughly three pound lump of meat.

Stop being so fucking arrogant. I only stated my conclusion based on the evidence available to me. You, however, assumed I'm some idiot. That tells me a lot about your level of intelligence.



You are an idiot. You are basing your thoughts on death based on "evidence" that doesn't exist. You are claiming you know what happens when you die based on "evidence" that tells what happens to the body and nothing else...Sounds like an idiot to me.

Intelligence is knowing enough to know you don't know, ya know? You'll get that in about a week.....Maybe.:rolleyes:

The problem is you are relying off of "evidence" that doesn't exist. You can't study what happens to a person after they die, you can only study it up to the point they die, the body and what happens to it not what happens after. You can't study what happens after you die, so you have no "evidence", just theories from people looking to explain the unexplainable. Shove along.

DCD did say the best reliable evidence and as you say, there is none. No reliable evidence for what happens after death. I personally believe that there is nothing after the body ceases. However, a man, wiser even than we are though he lived many, many years ago, said it very well:

Let us reflect in another way, and we shall see that there is great reason
to hope that death is a good; for one of two things--either death is a
state of nothingness and utter unconsciousness, or, as men say, there is a
change and migration of the soul from this world to another. Now if you
suppose that there is no consciousness, but a sleep like the sleep of him
who is undisturbed even by dreams, death will be an unspeakable gain. For
if a person were to select the night in which his sleep was undisturbed
even by dreams, and were to compare with this the other days and nights of
his life, and then were to tell us how many days and nights he had passed
in the course of his life better and more pleasantly than this one, I think
that any man, I will not say a private man, but even the great king will
not find many such days or nights, when compared with the others. Now if
death be of such a nature, I say that to die is gain; for eternity is then
only a single night. But if death is the journey to another place, and
there, as men say, all the dead abide, what good, O my friends and judges,
can be greater than this? If indeed when the pilgrim arrives in the world
below, he is delivered from the professors of justice in this world, and
finds the true judges who are said to give judgment there, Minos and
Rhadamanthus and Aeacus and Triptolemus, and other sons of God who were
righteous in their own life, that pilgrimage will be worth making. What
would not a man give if he might converse with Orpheus and Musaeus and
Hesiod and Homer? Nay, if this be true, let me die again and again. I
myself, too, shall have a wonderful interest in there meeting and
conversing with Palamedes, and Ajax the son of Telamon, and any other
ancient hero who has suffered death through an unjust judgment; and there
will be no small pleasure, as I think, in comparing my own sufferings with
theirs. Above all, I shall then be able to continue my search into true
and false knowledge; as in this world, so also in the next; and I shall
find out who is wise, and who pretends to be wise, and is not. What would
not a man give, O judges, to be able to examine the leader of the great
Trojan expedition; or Odysseus or Sisyphus, or numberless others, men and
women too! What infinite delight would there be in conversing with them
and asking them questions! In another world they do not put a man to death
for asking questions: assuredly not. For besides being happier than we
are, they will be immortal, if what is said is true.

Wherefore, O judges, be of good cheer about death, and know of a certainty,
that no evil can happen to a good man, either in life or after death.

Kreynoria;12068470']Just out of curiosity, what do you think will happen? The only one I've thought of beside Heaven/Purgatory/Hell/Reincarnation is simply maintaining sentience and existence beyond death, but still in your body. Alone. Isolated forever. We'd probably all lose our sanity.

Dunno. Don't really care since I don't think I can know until I die, anyway.

DCD did say the best reliable evidence and as you say, there is none. No reliable evidence for what happens after death. I personally believe that there is nothing after the body ceases. However, a man, wiser even than we are though he lived many, many years ago, said it very well:

It really is win-win either way. I'd personally like to have some control over what happens post-death, but if it's just nothing then that won't be too bad. I like thinking and experiencing things, so it would be kind of nice to get a free extension after I die.

What would be really nice would be the ability to voluntarily choose your afterlife, or lack of it, upon death.

You are an idiot. You are basing your thoughts on death based on "evidence" that doesn't exist. You are claiming you know what happens when you die based on "evidence" that tells what happens to the body and nothing else...Sounds like an idiot to me.

Intelligence is knowing enough to know you don't know, ya know? You'll get that in about a week.....Maybe.:rolleyes:

Well, now you're flaming. Don't have any real rebuttal to what I've posted because you clearly don't understand it.

So what lives on? Your ideas? Your personality? Your memory? Thae evidence suggests that those are dependent on the function of your brain. So I've dumbed it down for you. Hope you can catch on now.

So what lives on? Your ideas? Your personality? Your memory? It's clearly been demonstrated that those are dependent on the function of your brain. So I've dumbed it down for you. Hope you can catch on now.

My guess is that you'd end up with something like being able to think and remember, but with a total lack of sensory input. Vibrating fields of quantum computation aren't exactly a hotbed of sensory experience...

It would be amusing if reincarnation is simply a bored mind coming back to the physical world.

Unholy Smite, you've also fucked up by saying that what happens before death isn't evidence of what might happen after death. Bullshit. If I accuse you of fucking a kid, and I bring evidence to the court that before you fucked a kid you were seen loitering in the vicinity of the kid's school, and before that you were watching child porn do you think the court would throw it out because it happened before you fucked the little kid?

My guess is that you'd end up with something like being able to think and remember, but with a total lack of sensory input. Vibrating fields of quantum computation aren't exactly a hotbed of sensory experience...

It would be amusing if reincarnation is simply a bored mind coming back to the physical world.

Maybe, but maybe not. From what I've seen and what I understand, it seems to me we just die.

http://www.exploretaoism.com/Taoofconsciousness.htm

Aside from the religious aspects, this is the most scientific/believable explanation/theory I have yet heard.

It really is win-win either way. I'd personally like to have some control over what happens post-death, but if it's just nothing then that won't be too bad. I like thinking and experiencing things, so it would be kind of nice to get a free extension after I die.

What would be really nice would be the ability to voluntarily choose your afterlife, or lack of it, upon death.

I agree, either way will do, though I lean toward the Nothingness option. As for choosing, that would depend on the choices. There could be some sucky ones.

I'm reminded of Beatrice's answers to the question of a husband, and the afterlife from Much Ado About Nothing:

LEONATO
You may light on a husband that hath no beard.

BEATRICE
What should I do with him? dress him in my apparel
and make him my waiting-gentlewoman? He that hath a
beard is more than a youth, and he that hath no
beard is less than a man: and he that is more than
a youth is not for me, and he that is less than a
man, I am not for him: therefore, I will even take
sixpence in earnest of the bear-ward, and lead his
apes into hell.

LEONATO
Well, then, go you into hell?

BEATRICE
No, but to the gate; and there will the devil meet
me, like an old cuckold, with horns on his head, and
say 'Get you to heaven, Beatrice, get you to
heaven; here's no place for you maids:' so deliver
I up my apes, and away to Saint Peter for the
heavens; he shows me where the bachelors sit, and
there live we as merry as the day is long.

I could stand that. ;)

Well, now you're flaming. Don't have any real rebuttal to what I've posted because you clearly don't understand it.

So what lives on? Your ideas? Your personality? Your memory? Thae evidence suggests that those are dependent on the function of your brain. So I've dumbed it down for you. Hope you can catch on now.



:rolleyes:


Forget it.



You can only study what happens to a point, people what to know what happens AFTER THAT POINT!! Do you get it now? YOU CAN'T POSSIBLELY KNOW WHAT HAPPENS OR LIVES ON AFTER DEATH!! Jesus Christ some people never listen.:headbang:


FYI, you flamed me.

Maybe, but maybe not. From what I've seen and what I understand, it seems to me we just die.

Mine isn't that much different, just an application of the idea that the brain's an emergent property of quantum-level activities. This kind of immortality isn't particularly desirable IMHO...I'd rather just collapse back in to reality even if it's at the cost of all or most of my prior personality.

Unholy Smite, you've also fucked up by saying that what happens before death isn't evidence of what might happen after death. Bullshit. If I accuse you of fucking a kid, and I bring evidence to the court that before you fucked a kid you were seen loitering in the vicinity of the kid's school, and before that you were watching child porn do you think the court would throw it out because it happened before you fucked the little kid?


What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Fucking the kid would be after that so called evidence, and with death you CAN'T TELL WHAT HAPPENS AFTER IT! Why is that so hard to understand? You can only study what happens to a point, not after that point. :headbang: Your comparison made no sense, please stop wasting keystrokes.:headbang:

In my first life i was a grasshopper

2nd a deer

3rd a nomad
4th an ant
now i am a student at college

next i will be a mongolian queen

and from there its up in the air

In my first life i was a grasshopper

2nd a deer

3rd a nomad
4th an ant
now i am a student at college

next i will be a mongolian queen

and from there its up in the air

Whatever did that nomad do to come back as an ant? :p

:rolleyes:


Forget it.



You can only study what happens to a point, people what to know what happens AFTER THAT POINT!! Do you get it now? YOU CAN'T POSSIBLELY KNOW WHAT HAPPENS OR LIVES ON AFTER DEATH!! Jesus Christ some people never listen.:headbang:


FYI, you flamed me.
I didn't say I know exactly what happens after death. I said the evidence INDICATES. Not proves, indicates to me that death is final. As for evidence before an event not having any bearing on what happens after the event, I've already addressed that in another post.

I also did not flame you. You didn't understand what I was saying. It seems you still don't. Maybe you're not listening. Maybe you needed it dumbed down a bit.

Whatever did that nomad do to come back as an ant? :p

The Huns and Mongols were pretty bad.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Fucking the kid would be after that so called evidence, and with death you CAN'T TELL WHAT HAPPENS AFTER IT! Why is that so hard to understand? You can only study what happens to a point, not after that point. :headbang: Your comparison made no sense, please stop wasting keystrokes.:headbang:

Yeah, the court wouldn't know whether or not you fucked the kid until they got evidence. Some of the evidence considered would be evidence of what you'd done BEFORE the crime. Get it?

I agree, either way will do, though I lean toward the Nothingness option. As for choosing, that would depend on the choices. There could be some sucky ones.

I'm reminded of Beatrice's answers to the question of a husband, and the afterlife from Much Ado About Nothing:

I could stand that. ;)

I could go with either as well. Actually, above anything the one thing I want is to die voluntarily rather than because of something random or because of disease/age. I live as long as I want in good health, and then when I feel like it's time to go, I can die voluntarily and peacefully.

Death should be a choice, IMHO.

I didn't say I know exactly what happens after death. I said the evidence INDICATES. Not proves, indicates to me that death is final. As for evidence before an event not having any bearing on what happens after the event, I've already addressed that in another post.

I also did not flame you. You didn't understand what I was saying. It seems you still don't. Maybe you're not listening. Maybe you needed it dumbed down a bit.



You obviously don't understand what I am saying, I suspect you don't really read what I post, just reply. The evidencd indicates nothing as you can't tell what happens after a point...When will you just admitt we will NEVER know what happens after death because you can't study what happens after it.:mad:


Your last semi-paragraph was a flame. :rolleyes:

I could go with either as well. Actually, above anything the one thing I want is to die voluntarily rather than because of something random or because of disease/age. I live as long as I want in good health, and then when I feel like it's time to go, I can die voluntarily and peacefully.

Death should be a choice, IMHO.

A choice, to go peacefully. Remember the old joke? I want to die like my Uncle Jake, peacefully, with a smile on my face, not screaming like the 50 people on his bus. Or determine like Yossarian in Catch-22, to live forever or die in the trying.

Yeah, the court wouldn't know whether or not you fucked the kid until they got evidence. Some of the evidence considered would be evidence of what you'd done BEFORE the crime. Get it?

:headbang:



Apples and Oranges, Apples and Oranges. You are comparing to unrelated things in an attempt to prove a point you don't have. But let me entertain you, fucking the kid is comparing what happen after death(stupid I know) fucking the kid is what happen after what you said that person did, death is what happens after the stuff you said...Problem...YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AFTER JUST BEFORE AND LEADING TO. Get it?

A choice, to go peacefully. Remember the old joke? I want to die like my Uncle Jake, peacefully, with a smile on my face, not screaming like the 50 people on his bus. Or determine like Yossarian in Catch-22, to live forever or die in the trying.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm aiming for. ;)

You obviously don't understand what I am saying, I suspect you don't really read what I post, just reply. The evidencd indicates nothing as you can't tell what happens after a point...When will you just admitt we will NEVER know what happens after death because you can't study what happens after it.:mad:


Your last semi-paragraph was a flame. :rolleyes:

We can never know for sure, but evidence before the event can make some possibilities more likely than others. The evidence I presented DOES make certain possibilities less likely. If the body is guided by a disembodied personality why does damage to, chemical changes in, and electromagnetic stimulation of an organ cause changes in the personality? It suggests that consciousness is an artifact of the firing of neurons in the brain.

We can never know for sure, but evidence before the event can make some possibilities more likely than others. The evidence I presented DOES make certain possibilities less likely. If the body is guided by a disembodied personality why does damage to, chemical changes in, and electromagnetic stimulation of an organ cause changes in the personality? It suggests that consciousness is an artifact of the firing of neurons in the brain.


Suggests Is the key word there. We will never the full truth about death, so why assume we can?

Suggests Is the key word there. We will never the full truth about death, so why assume we can?

Did I ever assume we can? Throughout this thread I've used words like "The evidence suggests", not "I know for sure" or "We'll someday know for sure". Then you had to go and act all arrogant and even call me an idiot. What does that say about you?

We go to a realm where we beat up christians for the hell of it, create new worlds and beings at will, and screw people, yet the people we screw will never stop being virgins.

That's right, we fuckin' become GOD.

Did I ever assume we can? Throughout this thread I've used words like "The evidence suggests", not "I know for sure" or "We'll someday know for sure". Then you had to go and act all arrogant and even call me an idiot. What does that say about you?

:headbang:


In fear of having stroke, I retire from this thread.


FYI, Your wording made it seem you passing that stuff off as fact, more so when you replied to me. And stop flaming.

We go to a realm where we beat up christians for the hell of it, create new worlds and beings at will, and screw people, yet the people we screw will never stop being virgins.

That's right, we fuckin' become GOD.

Now that would be a nice dea.