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Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.

Does anyone else notice this?

Yes I realise the irony of me also whining on the computer

Substandard effort. B-

Yes I realise the irony of me also whining on the computer
Apparently, you don't.

Substandard effort. B-

You're quite the generous grader.

Apparently, you don't.

Even though I mentioned it myself?

You're quite the generous grader.

Well, you know, you gotta keep the young 'uns encouraged so they'll try harder in future.

I notice it, and once being a liberal I know what your talking about, its part of the reason I quit the left and became centrist, then I began doing stuff about my problems instead of getting beat up for whining about them. ;)

Fail.

I notice it, and once being a liberal I know what your talking about, its part of the reason I quit the left and became centrist, then I began doing stuff about my problems instead of getting beat up for whining about them. ;)

Good for you, at least theres one sensible rational person on here.

Even though I mentioned it myself?

And yet still blundered on with your hypocrisy with the determination of a moron trying to stop a fan with his tongue.

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.

Does anyone else notice this?

Yes I realise the irony of me also whining on the computer

Welcome to NS General forum. I'll give your post a C-. Keep up the good work and you will soon be getting A+.

Yes, liberals do have a tendancy to whine and blame everyone but themselves for their situation. But...that's life.

no i havent.

ive only noticed you whining about evolution and liberals without putting forth one real example.

And yet still blundered on with your hypocrisy with the determination of a moron trying to stop a fan with his tongue.

There is no hypocricy, as this is probably the first time I have ever really ranted on the internet. It is ok to do it once or twice.

Most people do this it hardly has anything to do with their "party"

no i havent.

ive only noticed you whining about evolution and liberals without putting forth one real example.

The whole time you have been here, you have only noticed the two threads ever made by me?

Wow, now thats a lame argument.

Look, more garbage dumped on our troll-friendly forum with troll-friendly mods by another miscreant vandal.

Well, you know, you gotta keep the young 'uns encouraged so they'll try harder in future.

See, I think if you do that, you give them an unrealistic view of the quality of their work, and so when another teacher bitch-slaps them, they don't quite know how to react. Generally, I'm the teacher who does the bitch-slapping. I try to keep my educational pimp hard strong.

Look, more garbage dumped on our troll-friendly forum with troll-friendly mods by another miscreant vandal.

What?

And yet still blundered on with your hypocrisy with the determination of a moron trying to stop a fan with his tongue.

Criik, he is a http://www.nearlygood.com/smilies/taz.gif don't feed him. You'll do OK. Just keep trying.

There is no hypocricy, as this is probably the first time I have ever really ranted on the internet. It is ok to do it once or twice.

You are whining about how liberals whine. Hypocrisy.

wow, a time traveller from the late 90s/early 00s! :eek: A word of advice for fitting in, traveller - attacking "liberals" for whining stopped being fashionable a while ago. Maybe you could try posting something about youtube instead, that's very current. Everyone's going on about it nowadays.

Welcome to NS General forum. I'll give your post a C-. Keep up the good work and you will soon be getting A+.

Yes, liberals do have a tendancy to whine and blame everyone but themselves for their situation. But...that's life.

Uh huh. Like conservatives are masters of taking responsibility for their actions--and I'm talking about doing more than mouthing the words, a la Rumsfeld and Abu Ghraib, to give just one of a myriad of examples.

There is no hypocricy, as this is probably the first time I have ever really ranted on the internet. It is ok to do it once or twice.

Who gives you the right to declare what it's "ok" to do?

Your are whining about how liberals whine. Hypocrisy.

I'm whining about how liberals whine all the time and don't do anything else. I am not doing the same thing as they are.

Yeah, like they whined and bitched about a party that wasn't in power and had little influence for 6 years...

...oh, and bitched and whined about a made up 'war on christmas because someone decided to pluralize all the holidays happening during a short period of time including New Years Day.

And when they complain about their religion be oppressed because they can't use government institutions to compel people to practice it.

or...now, wait...those aren't liberals...

Who gives you the right to declare what it's "ok" to do?

Oh no another moron trying to tie in his misunderstanding of relativism to avoid the argument.

Yeah, like they whined and bitched about a party that wasn't in power and had little influence for 6 years...

...oh, and bitched and whined about a made up 'war on christmas because someone decided to pluralize all the holidays happening during a short period of time including New Years Day.

And when they complain about their religion be oppressed because they can't use government institutions to compel people to practice it.

or...now, wait...those aren't liberals...

Yes but they don't just whine, they protest, negotiate, advertise and just do something about it.

See, I think if you do that, you give them an unrealistic view of the quality of their work, and so when another teacher bitch-slaps them, they don't quite know how to react. Generally, I'm the teacher who does the bitch-slapping. I try to keep my educational pimp hard strong.

Yea, but if you're too hard it could discourage him, and he wouldn't come back. Which would be a pity, because there's some potential there.

I'm whining about how liberals whine all the time and don't do anything else. I am not doing the same thing as they are.

Fail.

Any bets on whose sock puppet this is?

did anyone get banned recently?

Yes but they don't just whine, they protest, negotiate, advertise and just do something about it.

protesting, negotiating, and advertising... only all i hear is "whine, whine, whine".

Another poor conservative whining about dem ebil libruls. It's okay. *pat-pat*

What?

Look, more garbage dumped on our troll-friendly forum with troll-friendly mods by another miscreant vandal.

WTF do you mean "what"? You speak english don't you?

Yes but they don't just whine, they protest, negotiate, advertise and just do something about it.

Wait wait wait wait




wait...

You don't think liberals protest and advertise? You don't think they negotiate?

Okay...

Oh no another moron trying to tie in his misunderstanding of relativism to avoid the argument.

You lose.

Uh huh. Like conservatives are masters of taking responsibility for their actions--and I'm talking about doing more than mouthing the words, a la Rumsfeld and Abu Ghraib, to give just one of a myriad of examples.

Some of them don't take responsibility either. It is very unfortunate that people in both parties are more worried about getting re-elected than doing what is right. I'm about to give up on the political process. With few exceptions, in the last election most of my votes were cast as a protest against the 'status quo."

Look, more garbage dumped on our troll-friendly forum with troll-friendly mods by another miscreant vandal.

WTF do you mean "what"? You speak english don't you?

Whats all this troll stuff? Sounds like a childish insult to me.

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.

Does anyone else notice this?

Yes I realise the irony of me also whining on the computer

Jesus Christ,you are stupid.
I'm a liberal.And because of that, I don't care when terrorists kill thousands of people?You're quite sick,you are.
I don't think anyone else has noticed it,because no-one else thinks like you.At all.
Fail.

no i havent.

ive only noticed you whining about evolution and liberals without putting forth one real example.

(with all due respect) Not to flame or anything. I'm not saying all lefties are bad, and I'm not saying conservatives didn't have their share of nastiness in human history. Here are some things they whined about in history that did or almost caused more tragic loss of life. For those reasons I encourage people not to be radical but just sensible human beings who use reason rather than conservative or liberal mindsets. Most famous scientists who made discoveries had minds based on reason which is why they opposed both the left wing and the right.

Liberals whine about how life is too hard and intolerant so now the human race is forced to tolerate destructive things and people like criminals and people with dangerous mindsets. They come up with untrue doctrines just so that they don't go nuts or kill themselves because deep down they know that they are too weak and whiny to deal with real life.(and note that I know because I expeirenced this and this is why I changed) Trust me before I became centrist I've been there. These false doctrines screw up the law system and cause senseless laws to be passed. This also resulted in the justice system pitying the criminal more than the victim.

They whine about police and government and how they try to actually enforce rules. I hear it all the time. :( This encourages crime and terrorism.

Their mindset caused caused the US to lose Vietnam in the sense that they didn't want the US to bomb buildings just kill troops, they almost cancelled the Manhattan Project which would have resulted in the death of more US soldiers who wanted to go back home to their families, the left wing in Germany during the 1930's became armed and violent and angered Hitler into forming the third reich.

Wait wait wait wait




wait...

You don't think liberals protest and advertise? You don't think they negotiate?

Okay...

Hippys do and students do, buts not because they are liberal, just because they are young and radical. All non student or hippy liberals just whine whine whine.

I'm whining about how liberals whine all the time and don't do anything else. I am not doing the same thing as they are.

WTF :confused: ROFLMAO

Yes but they don't just whine, they protest, negotiate, advertise and just do something about it.

yeah. They in fact did something indeed about the minority party they were always complaining about. They helped put them in the majority...

I'm whining about how liberals whine all the time and don't do anything else. I am not doing the same thing as they are.

You are whining about how liberals whine,simple as that.That makes you a hypocrite.Well done :)

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.

Does anyone else notice this?

Yes I realise the irony of me also whining on the computer


First learn what a "liberal" is, then bring one to me, then let me judge if his/her 'whining' is more/less annoying and unsubstantiated than yours: I don't think you have much of a chance old boy.

Jesus Christ,you are stupid.
I'm a liberal.And because of that, I don't care when terrorists kill thousands of people?You're quite sick,you are.
I don't think anyone else has noticed it,because no-one else thinks like you.At all.
Fail.

I didn't say all liberals, I said the majority of liberals. And you aren't suppost to take that comment seriously, but its how it seems a lot of the time.

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.
So, you're a liberal huh? Well, I hate to tell you, but in my experience not every liberal is whiney like you :)

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.
Yeah, just like what happened on 9/11. Everybody but the "liberals" cared about it. :rolleyes:
Glad you back up your claims so well too...

Does anyone else notice this?
I doubt it.

Yes I realise the irony of me also whining on the computer
Do you also realise what kind of post such generalised blanket statements also is called?

Welcome to NS General. You'll find the rules here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=410573).

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Yea, but if you're too hard it could discourage him, and he wouldn't come back. Which would be a pity, because there's some potential there.

I tell my students what Denis Leary says--"Life's hard. Get a helmet." Of course, I'm dealing with college kids here, and my failure rate is low. Of the 80 students I had last term, I failed 4. 1 for plagiarism, 1 who failed himself by flaking out at the end of the term, and 2 for just doing shitty work. And they didn't technically fail--they just got D's in a class that required a C minimum to move on.

Some of them don't take responsibility either. It is very unfortunate that people in both parties are more worried about getting re-elected than doing what is right. I'm about to give up on the political process. With few exceptions, in the last election most of my votes were cast as a protest against the 'status quo."So did you vote third party? I know you were considering it.

OMg this thread is stupid.

The difference between me and liberals:

Me - ranted for the first time ever on a thread

Liberals - rant all the god damn time about all the most trivial shit.

Therefor we are different.

Wait wait wait wait

wait...

You don't think liberals protest and advertise? You don't think they negotiate?

Okay...

someday i'm going to take a vacation to conservative bizarro world, just to see the strangeness for myself

There's a difference between liberals and hippies.

OMg this thread is stupid.

For which we blame the OP

The difference between me and liberals:

Intellect?

Me - ranted for the first time ever on a thread

Liberals - rant all the god damn time about all the most trivial shit.

Therefor we are different.

yup

(with all due respect) Not to flame or anything. I'm not saying all lefties are bad, and I'm not saying conservatives didn't have their share of nastiness in human history. Here are some things they whined about in history that did or almost caused more tragic loss of life. For those reasons I encourage people not to be radical but just sensible human beings who use reason rather than conservative or liberal mindsets. Most famous scientists who made discoveries had minds based on reason which is why they opposed both the left wing and the right.

Liberals whine about how life is too hard and intolerant so now the human race is forced to tolerate destructive things and people like criminals and people with dangerous mindsets. They come up with untrue doctrines just so that they don't go nuts or kill themselves because deep down they know that they are too weak and whiny to deal with real life.(and note that I know because I expeirenced this and this is why I changed) Trust me before I became centrist I've been there. These false doctrines screw up the law system and cause senseless laws to be passed. This also resulted in the justice system pitying the criminal more than the victim.

They whine about police and government and how they try to actually enforce rules. I hear it all the time. :( This encourages crime and terrorism.

Their mindset caused caused the US to lose Vietnam in the sense that they didn't want the US to bomb buildings just kill troops, they almost cancelled the Manhattan Project which would have resulted in the death of more US soldiers who wanted to go back home to their families, the left wing in Germany during the 1930's became armed and violent and angered Hitler into forming the third reich.

1st bold:
Wait...did the Bush administration find WMDs in Iraq?No?Well there you go then.That was an untrue doctrine.
2nd bold:
Just because you felt that way,that means ALL LIBERALS must be exactly the same as you.Stop generalising,fool.
3rd bold:
Source please.

OMg this thread is stupid.

You created it.

The difference between me and liberals:

Me - ranted for the first time ever on a thread

Liberals - rant all the god damn time about all the most trivial shit.

Therefor we are different.

Not really, does the frequency of your whining change the fact that right now in this thread you are whining? No.

There's a difference between liberals and hippies.

Yeah hippies actually do something about their beliefs.

Hippys do and students do, buts not because they are liberal, just because they are young and radical. All non student or hippy liberals just whine whine whine.

Being young and/or a student hardly has anything to do with it. I cant tell you how many older (for the sake of argumentation, we'll assume older to include all people 40 years of age and above) people i've seen at protests right along side the younger people. Radical activism is in no way dependent on age

Their mindset caused caused the US to lose Vietnam in the sense that they didn't want the US to bomb buildings just kill troops, they almost cancelled the Manhattan Project which would have resulted in the death of more US soldiers who wanted to go back home to their families, the left wing in Germany during the 1930's became armed and violent and angered Hitler into forming the third reich.

This is the single most uninformed and ridiculous single sentence I have read in a long, long time.

How? Just...how? I simply don't know what to say. HOW???????

Do you also realise what kind of post such generalised blanket statements also is called?

Welcome to NS General. You'll find the rules here.


I didn't intend to flame, just offer advice on my previous thread, just to let you guys know.

someday i'm going to take a vacation to conservative bizarro world, just to see the strangeness for myself

The conservative version of current reality is kind of a darker version of mad max beyond thunderdome where bartertown (a.k.a. California) is run by atheists who feed christians to a gay master blaster and the few true souls try to return america to its past which greatly resembled a leave it to beaver episode, without the unsavory mention of the word "beaver"

Yeah hippies actually do something about their beliefs.

What,sit there and get stoned?Bigass difference that is.

OMg this thread is stupid.

The difference between me and liberals:

Me - ranted for the first time ever on a thread

Liberals - rant all the god damn time about all the most trivial shit.

Therefor we are different.

You still lose.

This thread Fails hard.

someday i'm going to take a vacation to conservative bizarro world, just to see the strangeness for myself
It'd be interesting for sure.

But having looked at this knotted logic I have to give myself some of my own advice...

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9475/forgetitjakeov4.jpg

Not really, does the frequency of your whining change the fact that right now in this thread you are whining? No.

No but it does change the fact about me being a hypocrite into fiction.

By your logic, anyone who ever says "all you ever do is whine" is a hypocrite.

The whole time you have been here, you have only noticed the two threads ever made by me?

Wow, now thats a lame argument.

with your 26 posts?

if you are a reincarnation of someone longerlived i cant be faulted for not knowing that now can i?

No but it does change the fact about me being a hypocrite into fiction.

By your logic, anyone who ever says "all you ever do is whine" is a hypocrite.

Therefore you are a hypocrite.

Yeah hippies actually do something about their beliefs.

And liberals don't? hmm...since when? anytime a liberal makes a political protest it seems you'd just call em a whiner anyway...so whatever.

Therefore you are a hypocrite.

And thereforeyour logic is flawed.

(with all due respect) Not to flame or anything. I'm not saying all lefties are bad, and I'm not saying conservatives didn't have their share of nastiness in human history. Here are some things they whined about in history that did or almost caused more tragic loss of life. For those reasons I encourage people not to be radical but just sensible human beings who use reason rather than conservative or liberal mindsets. Most famous scientists who made discoveries had minds based on reason which is why they opposed both the left wing and the right.

Liberals whine about how life is too hard and intolerant so now the human race is forced to tolerate destructive things and people like criminals and people with dangerous mindsets. They come up with untrue doctrines just so that they don't go nuts or kill themselves because deep down they know that they are too weak and whiny to deal with real life.(and note that I know because I expeirenced this and this is why I changed) Trust me before I became centrist I've been there. These false doctrines screw up the law system and cause senseless laws to be passed. This also resulted in the justice system pitying the criminal more than the victim.

They whine about police and government and how they try to actually enforce rules. I hear it all the time. :( This encourages crime and terrorism.

Their mindset caused caused the US to lose Vietnam in the sense that they didn't want the US to bomb buildings just kill troops, they almost cancelled the Manhattan Project which would have resulted in the death of more US soldiers who wanted to go back home to their families, the left wing in Germany during the 1930's became armed and violent and angered Hitler into forming the third reich.

oh i wasnt saying that liberals never whine, we all whine sometimes. i was just a bit tired of criik throwing out crap without even a real example.

at least YOU (in the end) gave some real examples. i dont agree with them but that isnt the topic of the thread.

And thereforeyour logic is flawed.
Says the person who started all this nonsense. :rolleyes:

Whats all this troll stuff? Sounds like a childish insult to me.

http://www.nearlygood.com/smilies/omg.gif have I miscalculated. He really is a noobe isn't he!

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.

Does anyone else notice this?

Yes I realise the irony of me also whining on the computer
Umm, not at all. Most activism I see is done by left-wing people. And I'm one of them.

http://www.nearlygood.com/smilies/omg.gif have I miscalculated. He really is a noobe isn't he!

Nah, dude. Remember "You don't even know how to spell 'parrot'"? It's a classic puppet troll move to pretend you don't know something that's pretty obvious.

Umm, not at all. Most activism I see is done by left-wing people. And I'm one of them.

Lets assume that most liberals (even non hippys and students) are always involved in activism. They still spend most of their time being involved in activism for very trivial things, which doesn't really affect our lives that much.

..snip... I don't think you have much of a chance old boy.

Criik http://www.nearlygood.com/smilies/rip.gif

And thereforeyour logic is flawed.

You start a thread complaining that all liberals do is whine,hence whining yourself (about liberals),and MY logic is flawed?
My friend, you are a fool.

Hippys do and students do, buts not because they are liberal, just because they are young and radical. All non student or hippy liberals just whine whine whine.

So... All these mythical "liberals" do is whine. Except the liberal hippies. And the liberal students... Se how it's all starting to fall apart? It's because sweeping generalisations don't work!

OMg this thread is stupid.
Truest words you've written.

The difference between me and liberals:

Me - ranted for the first time ever on a thread

Liberals - rant all the god damn time about all the most trivial shit.
What "liberals" are you talking about now? And what, pray tell, is this "trivial shit"?

Lets assume that most liberals (even non hippys and students) are always involved in activism. They still spend most of their time being involved in activism for very trivial things, which doesn't really affect our lives that much.

To assume is to make an ass out of u+me.
If no-one was ever to protest, or anything like that,nothing would ever change.Therefore,they make a big difference.

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it.

You're in luck then. None of them will come looking for you.

I tell my students

Off subject. What subjects do you teach Nazz? We need good teachers at all levels and you sound like one to me. I taught avionics for about 20 years and may go back to teaching electronics part time when I retire.

You're in luck then. None of them will come looking for you.

Nope, they will just stay at home and repeatedly call me a hypocrite even though I have proven I am not.

So did you vote third party? I know you were considering it.

We only had two Independant candidates on the ballot. One was for Lt. Gov. and I voted for him. The other was for Representative and I did not vote for him. I know his family personally and wouldn't vote for him for any office. He is a scumbag. I voted for some Democrats and some Republicans because I thought they were the best candidate for the positon.

Nope, they will just stay at home and repeatedly call me a hypocrite even though I have proven I am not.

No,no,no,no,no.
You haven't proven bugger all.You've proven you have the ability to make a thread whining about whining liberal,that's about it.You never proved you weren't a hypocrite,just enforced our beliefs you are.

No,no,no,no,no.
You haven't proven bugger all.You've proven you have the ability to make a thread whining about whining liberal,that's about it.You never proved you weren't a hypocrite,just enforced our beliefs you are.

I have, but I will do it one more time.

WHINING ONCE, IS NOT THE SAME THING AS WHINING ALL THE TIME WITHOUT DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT. IF I WAS SPENDING MY WHOLE LIFE WHING ABOUT THEM BUT NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT, THEN I WOULD BE A HYPOCRITE, HOWEVER I AM NOT.

There's a difference between liberals and hippies.

The hippie movement was over by the 70's. The liberals will be around for the duration of time, as will the conservatives.

I have, but I will do it one more time.

WHINING ONCE, IS NOT THE SAME THING AS WHINING ALL THE TIME WITHOUT DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT. IF I WAS SPENDING MY WHOLE LIFE WHING ABOUT THEM BUT NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT, THEN I WOULD BE A HYPOCRITE, HOWEVER I AM NOT.

Are you whining right now? Yes. Are you whining about how liberals whine? Yes.

Are you a hypocrite? Yes.

Being young and/or a student hardly has anything to do with it. I cant tell you how many older (for the sake of argumentation, we'll assume older to include all people 40 years of age and above) people i've seen at protests right along side the younger people. Radical activism is in no way dependent on age

Welcome. Excellent first post.

Yeah, like they whined and bitched about a party that wasn't in power and had little influence for 6 years...

...oh, and bitched and whined about a made up 'war on christmas because someone decided to pluralize all the holidays happening during a short period of time including New Years Day.

And when they complain about their religion be oppressed because they can't use government institutions to compel people to practice it.

or...now, wait...those aren't liberals...

I'm pretty sure that you would be talking about christians in that instance. Christian does not equal conservative.

This is the single most uninformed and ridiculous single sentence I have read in a long, long time.

How? Just...how? I simply don't know what to say. HOW???????

Our state run education system. :mad:

Are you whining right now? Yes. ? Yes.

Are you a hypocrite? Yes.

Could you be more devoid of logic?

Are you whining about how liberals whine

no no no no no no no no no and no. I am whining about how they do nothing else but whine all the time not about how they whine. Because everyone on the planet whines.

I have, but I will do it one more time.

WHINING ONCE, IS NOT THE SAME THING AS WHINING ALL THE TIME WITHOUT DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT. IF I WAS SPENDING MY WHOLE LIFE WHING ABOUT THEM BUT NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT, THEN I WOULD BE A HYPOCRITE, HOWEVER I AM NOT.

Hehe.You said Whing. :)
Anyway.
You are a hypocrite,because you whined about people whining.If you murder someone once,according to your logic,it doesn't make them a murderer.They have to do it repeated times.See?Your logic is flawed.

I have, but I will do it one more time.

WHINING ONCE, IS NOT THE SAME THING AS WHINING ALL THE TIME WITHOUT DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT. IF I WAS SPENDING MY WHOLE LIFE WHING ABOUT THEM BUT NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT, THEN I WOULD BE A HYPOCRITE, HOWEVER I AM NOT.

Because putting it in big letters makes it true!

The hippie movement was over by the 70's. The liberals will be around for the duration of time, as will the conservatives.

There are still hippies. The ones who are environmentalist (but don't know much about the issue) New Age douches. I don't want to associate them with liberalism because they are an embarrassment.

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.

Does anyone else notice this?

Yes I realise the irony of me also whining on the computer

What a stupid generalisation. It would be impossible to make that statement without first knowing every liberal in the world.

Could you be more devoid of logic?

Are you whining about how liberals whine

no no no no no no no no no and no. I am whining about how they do nothing else but whine all the time not about how they whine. Because everyone on the planet whines.

If everyone on the planet whines,how are you exempt?You are a hypocrite.Just because everyone does it doesn't make it unhypocritical.Humans are flawed,and you're one of them.
You're whining about how liberals do nothing but whine.That is hypocrisy,plain as day.

they almost cancelled the Manhattan Project which would have resulted in the death of more US soldiers who wanted to go back home to their families
The Manhattan Project was ordered by one of America's most left-wing presidents, FDR.

the left wing in Germany during the 1930's became armed and violent and angered Hitler into forming the third reich.
A classic Nazi lie. The fascists were the violent ones, not the centre-left.


Most famous scientists who made discoveries had minds based on reason which is why they opposed both the left wing and the right.

Most post-Enlightenment left and right-wing ideologies are products of reason.

Hippys do and students do, buts not because they are liberal, just because they are young and radical. All non student or hippy liberals just whine whine whine.
http://www.soaw.org/new/

http://www.stopchildlabor.org/ not students or hippies

What do conservatives do?

The difference between me and liberals:

Me - ranted for the first time ever on a thread

Liberals - rant all the god damn time about all the most trivial shit.

Therefor we are different.
Is it liberals who keep making threads, and in real life, stirring up shit, about the "war on Christmas" and "evolution/creationism"?

There surely are more important issues.

Lets assume that most liberals (even non hippys and students) are always involved in activism. They still spend most of their time being involved in activism for very trivial things, which doesn't really affect our lives that much.
Trivial things like US foreign policy? Our jobs?

<snipped for eyes>
Oh stop whining, you whiner.

*whines*

What a stupid generalisation. It would be impossible to make that statement without first knowing every liberal in the world.

I didn't say all, I said most. Most of the time you see a liberal on tv, he is whining.

I have, but I will do it one more time.
SNIP

Shit, that hurt. Damn, next time warn me so I can turn my hearing aid down. :eek:

The Manhattan Project was ordered by one of America's most left-wing presidents, FDR.
A classic Nazi lie. The fascists were the violent ones, not the centre-left.
Most post-Enlightenment left and right-wing ideologies are products of reason.
http://www.soaw.org/new/
http://www.stopchildlabor.org/ not students or hippies
What do conservatives do?
Is it liberals who keep making threads, and in real life, stirring up shit, about the "war on Christmas" and "evolution/creationism"?
There surely are more important issues.
Trivial things like US foreign policy? Our jobs?

Why bother. OP doesn't want a debate or to see anything other than what it wants to see. Although this is a most excellent post.

*offers cookie*

I'm pretty sure that you would be talking about christians in that instance. Christian does not equal conservative.
No, he's talking about conservatives. I'm a Christian and I neither want the government to force people to practice it (though I would like Christian values to inform govt policy) nor do I have delusions about a "war on christmas".

I didn't say all, I said most. Most of the time you see a liberal on tv, he is whining.

You do realise that no one holds you in any respect because you back up NOTHING?Provide a source,please.

I didn't say all, I said most. Most of the time you see a liberal on tv, he is whining.

Right, because the liberals on TV are the only liberals in the world.


:rolleyes:

I didn't say all, I said most. Most of the time you see a liberal on tv, he is whining.

Really? Most of the time I see a conservative on TV, that's what they're doing as well. ("O noes, not teh gays!" .... "War on CHRISTMAS" .... "Christian values being destroyed!" ... "Liberal media" ... "Dem immigrants took our jobs!" ... "Liberals hate America" ...)

You do realise that no one holds you in any respect because you back up NOTHING?Provide a source,please.

How can I provide a source of what I watch on tv?

Because putting it in big letters makes it true!

I AM DEAD SEXY AND ALL LADIES FIND ME ATTRACTIVE

No, he's talking about conservatives. I'm a Christian and I neither want the government to force people to practice it (though I would like Christian values to inform govt policy) nor do I have delusions about a "war on christmas".

Thats a bit of a contradiction.

Right, because the liberals on TV are the only liberals in the world.


:rolleyes:

Not just the tv.

Also the: magizines, internet, radio, school, newspapers etc..

How can I provide a source of what I watch on tv?

Why make such an absurd comment in the first place, if you cannot even back it up.

Not just the tv.

Also the: magizines, internet, radio, school, newspapers etc..

Who are they?

Make a point and back it up please. Don't just make vague generalities.

Not just the tv.

Also the: magizines, internet, radio, school, newspapers etc..

Right, because the liberals in the mass media are the only liberals in the world.



:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Teh Liberals! Teh liberals!

*is indoctrinated and eaten by John Locke and Robert Nozick*

To be fair to the OP, liberals do annoy me a hell of a lot more than conservatives.

Is Criik the new resident troll? Is he the replacement of MTAE?? Or is he his puppet?

How can I provide a source of what I watch on tv?

Because often news sites hold archives of most of the stuff they show.
Or,if that fails,they're bound to be whining on news websites and other such things.Find that.

How can I provide a source of what I watch on tv?

Name, time (approximate), channel, person whining and about what. What makes that issue trivial, how they're whining.

How can I provide a source of what I watch on tv?

www.foxnews.com
WWW.cnn.com
WWW.cnbc.com

Shall I continue? No, I won't. I was wrong earlier you are the http://www.nearlygood.com/smilies/party32.gif

www.foxnews.com
WWW.cnn.com
WWW.cnbc.com

Shall I continue? No, I won't. I was wrong earlier you are the http://www.nearlygood.com/smilies/party32.gif

I don't live in the USA, and listing television channels does not = everything i see in the media. Lets drop this part because if you are so set on complete proof it would be impossible to proove anything eitherway as you would have to show every article, televesion show, radio show etc in the last decade to back it up.

To be fair to the OP, liberals do annoy me a hell of a lot more than conservatives.

But he doesn't know what a 'liberal' is. He is accusing all those left-of-centre of 'whining', not just those that we know as liberals.

But he doesn't know what a 'liberal' is. He is accusing all those left-of-centre of 'whining', not just those that we know as liberals.

When did I say anything about "left of centre"?

I don't live in the USA, and listing television channels does not = everything i see in the media. Lets drop this part because if you are so set on complete proof it would be impossible to proove anything eitherway as you would have to show every article, televesion show, radio show etc in the last decade to back it up.

We want evidence, a source.

I don't live in the USA, and listing television channels does not = everything i see in the media. Lets drop this part because if you are so set on complete proof it would be impossible to proove anything eitherway as you would have to show every article, televesion show, radio show etc in the last decade to back it up.

QUOTE SOMETHING. Anything, that proves/demonstrates liberals to be whiny and ineffectual.

Do it or I shall poke you with a pointy stick.

I don't live in the USA, and listing television channels does not = everything i see in the media. Lets drop this part because if you are so set on complete proof it would be impossible to proove anything eitherway as you would have to show every article, televesion show, radio show etc in the last decade to back it up.

Dropping it?
Wait....are you admitting defeat?Looks like it.
And no,we're not asking for anything majorly stringent,we just want you to provide evidence of a "whining liberal" on tv.Off you go.

When did I say anything about "left of centre"?

When is liberalism a fixed position on the political spectrum?

We want evidence, a source.

I can't bothered. I'll tell you what, I was watching the last word the other day and there were two centrists and a liberal. The liberal was jumping up and down screaming YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING YOU ARE A PUBLIC SCHOOL BOY YOU ARROGANT UPPERCLASS TWIT, YOU FASCIST etc.. when that was totally unrelated to the argument and he was just getting in a massive strop about it anway. He looked completely immature and an idiot, I am not saying that most liberals act like this, but it's not the extreme. I have seen a lot do that.

I can't bothered. I'll tell you what, I was watching the last word the other day and there were two centrists and a liberal. The liberal was jumping up and down screaming YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING YOU ARE A PUBLIC SCHOOL BOY YOU ARROGANT UPPERCLASS TWIT, YOU FASCIST etc.. when that was totally unrelated to the argument and he was just getting in a massive strop about it anway. He looked completely immature and an idiot, I am not saying that most liberals act like this, but it's not the extreme. I have seen a lot do that.

If you can't be bothered,then why are you even here?
And ok,so the bloke overreacted.It's not like conservatives are innocent of this.It's not like anyone's innocent of this.A lot of people do this,it's not exclusive to liberals.
And word of mouth means absolutely nothing here.We need something to see,or we'll just throw it back in your face.

We want evidence, a source.

If you can't be bothered,then why are you even here?
And ok,so the bloke overreacted.It's not like conservatives are innocent of this.It's not like anyone's innocent of this.A lot of people do this,it's not exclusive to liberals.
And word of mouth means absolutely nothing here.We need something to see,or we'll just throw it back in your face.

It's pretty difficult to quote something. Most of my experience is from what people say, not from the internet.

I can't bothered. I'll tell you what, I was watching the last word the other day and there were two centrists and a liberal. The liberal was jumping up and down screaming YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING YOU ARE A PUBLIC SCHOOL BOY YOU ARROGANT UPPERCLASS TWIT, YOU FASCIST etc.. when that was totally unrelated to the argument and he was just getting in a massive strop about it anway. He looked completely immature and an idiot, I am not saying that most liberals act like this, but it's not the extreme. I have seen a lot do that.

Give me a source, I highly doubt anyone could be that stupid or blatantly arrogant. It sounds like something you just pulled out of your ass.

It's pretty difficult to quote something. Most of my experience is from what people say, not from the internet.

Well,there's one lesson to learn from this.Don't make points you can't back up,because,as you can see from the last 9 pages of posts,we WILL rip the shit out of you in future.Lesson learned?

It's pretty difficult to quote something. Most of my experience is from what people say, not from the internet.

Whats the point in even posting if you can't back up what you say then?

Well,there's one lesson to learn from this.Don't make points you can't back up,because,as you can see from the last 9 pages of posts,we WILL rip the shit out of you in future.Lesson learned?

I didn't come to debate that point really, just to chat about it. Next time I will make a thread for debate which is backed up.

I can’t bothered. I’ll tell you what, I was watching the last word the other day and there were two centrists and a liberal. The liberal was jumping up and down screaming YOU DON’T KNOW ANYTHING YOU ARE A PUBLIC SCHOOL BOY YOU ARROGANT UPPERCLASS TWIT, YOU FASCIST etc.. when that was totally unrelated to the argument and he was just getting in a massive strop about it anway. He looked completely immature and an idiot, I am not saying that most liberals act like this, but it’s not the extreme. I have seen a lot do that.
If by ‘liberal’ you’re referring to Marcus Brigstocke, then he did no such thing whatsoever. He is presenting a comedy show, which deals with political issues. He doesn’t ‘jump up and down screaming’.

What episode was it? The one with the Times journalist when they were discussing Trident?

Furthermore, and more importantly, why on earth are you labelling people such as Brigstocke as liberals? If you live in the UK, a ‘liberal’ refers to someone with a view of limited government, following in the traditions of John Locke. Karl Popper and Robert Nozick are two modern liberals.

We want evidence, a source.
It's pretty difficult to quote something. Most of my experience is from what people say, not from the internet.
Names! Give us ze names! WE WANT ZE NAMES!

Why bother. OP doesn't want a debate or to see anything other than what it wants to see. Although this is a most excellent post.

*offers cookie*
http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1161356741260.jpg

I didn't come to debate that point really, just to chat about it. Next time I will make a thread for debate which is backed up.

Excellent.I can see that with time you shall improve in the ways of NSG.

Names! Give us ze names! WE WANT ZE NAMES!


http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1161356741260.jpg

*swallows kittens whole*

Yum.

Next time I will make a thread for debate which is backed up.

I doubt it.

http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1161356741260.jpg


No! Kittens will always save a thread!

*huddles in fetal position*

Excellent.I can see that with time you shall improve in the ways of NSG.

He is only young, perhaps we will be able to actually convert this troll. I think it sould be NS's new mission.

It's pretty difficult to quote something. Most of my experience is from what people say, not from the internet.

Time for me to go. I shall feed the http://www.nearlygood.com/smilies/character29.gif no more. Good night y'all.

He is only young, perhaps we will be able to actually convert this troll. I think it sould be NS's new mission.

Three years ago I was exactly like him, actually. I went from being a right-wing Toby Keith loving lunatic to a Libertarian.

He can be saved. Trust me.

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.

Does anyone else notice this?

Yes I realise the irony of me also whining on the computer

I think thousands dying is worse than a Jesus picture...
And I'm Social Libertarian.

OK.NS's new mission.Convert Criik into a libertarian.The path shall be long and arduous,but we shall all be rewarded when another troll is lost from the lands of NSG.

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.

Does anyone else notice this?

Yes I realise the irony of me also whining on the computer

Honestly? No, I can't say that I have noticed that all the majority of "liberals" do is whine any more than the majority of "conservatives" whine. It just so happens that this message board is, it would seem, more liberal than your politics so most "whining" on this message board would be from these so called liberals.

OK.NS's new mission.Convert Criik into a libertarian.The path shall be long and arduous,but we shall all be rewarded when another troll is lost from the lands of NSG.

Please don't, that's all NSG needs. Another bloody libertarian.

OK.NS's new mission.Convert Criik into a libertarian.The path shall be long and arduous,but we shall all be rewarded when another troll is lost from the lands of NSG.

So how do we go about doing this, just destroying all of his arguments untill it surrenders?

So how do we go about doing this, just destroying all of his arguments untill it surrenders?

The goal is simply to make him see how dumb he is being.

I went from being a right-wing Toby Keith loving lunatic to a Libertarian.


Hmmmm. Don't really see where the improvement is but whatever.

Yes but they don't just whine, they protest, negotiate, advertise and just do something about it.

Protesting is whining. Just a more active form of it. And the only negotiating I've ever seen is generally along the lines of "If you don't do as I say, you'll burn in hell!!!". Maybe not quite whining, but just as bad. As for advertising, their taking whining up several steps maybe.

So those people are bigger whiners, and you're saying they're ok? Hypocrite.

Please don't, that's all NSG needs. Another bloody libertarian.

Better than this troll we have at the moment.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/NuGo1988/1158208263187.jpg

http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/300W/images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/111/0/e/Don__t_feed_the_Troll.jpg

Yes but they don't just whine, they protest, negotiate, advertise and just do something about it.
And here we have the crux of his argument:
His side, "protest, advertise and negotiate"
The other side, "whine"

anyone else see the irony implicit here?

And here we the crux of his argument:
His side, "protest, advertise and negotiate"
The other side, "whine"

anyone else see the irony implicit here?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/NuGo1988/irony2mv6.jpg

Because putting it in big letters makes it true!
For extra trueness, be sure to use assorted gun, headbang, and upyorurs smileys in your posts.

I'm very disappointed that Crikk hasn't yet extended himself to use of the above.
Certainly brightens up an otherwise dull post.

Liberals whine about how life is too hard and intolerant so now the human race is forced to tolerate destructive things and people like criminals and people with dangerous mindsets. They come up with untrue doctrines just so that they don't go nuts or kill themselves because deep down they know that they are too weak and whiny to deal with real life. (and note that I know because I expeirenced this and this is why I changed) Trust me before I became centrist I've been there. These false doctrines screw up the law system and cause senseless laws to be passed. This also resulted in the justice system pitying the criminal more than the victim.

They whine about police and government and how they try to actually enforce rules. I hear it all the time. :( This encourages crime and terrorism.

Their mindset caused caused the US to lose Vietnam in the sense that they didn't want the US to bomb buildings just kill troops, they almost cancelled the Manhattan Project which would have resulted in the death of more US soldiers who wanted to go back home to their families, the left wing in Germany during the 1930's became armed and violent and angered Hitler into forming the third reich.
And now I, mighty Reconaissance Ilsands will post sources, statistics and facts to prove my bitter, libellous ramblings:





(tumbleweed blows past)








or perhaps not.

And now I, mighty Reconaissance Ilsands will post sources, statistics and facts to prove my bitter, libellous ramblings:





(tumbleweed blows past)








or perhaps not.

Oh you're too late!We already annihlated any argument Reconaissance Ilsands had.We even got Criik to agree to be nicer!

That woman whose son died, she whined and he was content with his place in life.

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.

Does anyone else notice this?

Yes I realise the irony of me also whining on the computer

No. But I do realize that all that all that most conservatives do is whimper and masturbate to picutres in Guns and Ammo.

They never want to do anything constructive, just tear down the constructive things that other people do. If the hardest working people in the country want to unionize to see to it that their hard work is justly rewarded, they complain that it's a communist plot because they're such cowards that they're afraid a dead economic ideology is going to shuffle from out of the grave and zombify them. Zombify them more I mean.

When teachers try to explain what will help students learn as well as students in the rest of the developed world they are afraid that it's a liberal plot to make America like Europe with tolerant educated people. Nothing would scare a conservative more than a nation full of educated people.

Does anyone at all notice that conservatives are nothing but cowards?

Good for you, at least theres one sensible rational person on here.

I beg to differ.

No. But I do realize that all that all that most conservatives do is whimper and masturbate to picutres in Guns and Ammo.

They never want to do anything constructive, just tear down the constructive things that other people do. If the hardest working people in the country want to unionize to see to it that their hard work is justly rewarded, they complain that it's a communist plot because they're such cowards that they're afraid a dead economic ideology is going to shuffle from out of the grave and zombify them. Zombify them more I mean.

When teachers try to explain what will help students learn as well as students in the rest of the developed world they are afraid that it's a liberal plot to make America like Europe with tolerant educated people. Nothing would scare a conservative more than a nation full of educated people.

Does anyone at all notice that conservatives are nothing but cowards?

You do realise you're as bad as Criik for making sweeping generalisations?

Thanks for a really worthwhile thread, Criik! It's expanding my mind like some sort of horrible balloon.

No. But I do realize that all that all that most conservatives do is whimper and masturbate to picutres in Guns and Ammo.

They never want to do anything constructive, just tear down the constructive things that other people do. If the hardest working people in the country want to unionize to see to it that their hard work is justly rewarded, they complain that it's a communist plot because they're such cowards that they're afraid a dead economic ideology is going to shuffle from out of the grave and zombify them. Zombify them more I mean.

When teachers try to explain what will help students learn as well as students in the rest of the developed world they are afraid that it's a liberal plot to make America like Europe with tolerant educated people. Nothing would scare a conservative more than a nation full of educated people.

Does anyone at all notice that conservatives are nothing but cowards?

So it's ok for you to "generalize" is it?

Apparently, you don't.

This one is a "gimme". You don't get any points for it, Nazz.

So it's ok for you to "generalize" is it?

God I hope you are kidding

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.

Does anyone else notice this?

Yes I realise the irony of me also whining on the computer

Man, you're right! How could I have been blind for so long?

Time to start thinking like a conservative...well, I'll just accept those three credit cards that came in the mail, I can spend without actually earning the money...check.

Oops! I have lights off in my house! Better go turn them on, the environment is not only invincible, not my responsibility, but it's also there for me to rape!

Man, how can I cut some corners? I'd better get my friend out of rehab and into prison, weed is funding terrorism.

Where to hang my new confederate battle flag? Ah! Above my American flag, and next to my full-sized poster of Bush on the carrier with "Mission Accomplished" banner in the background...perfect.

Lastly, I'd better join the Army so I can help them haul all those WMDs out of Iraq.

There! Conversion complete! Oh, wait, I'm in college, which is run by Liberal elitists in their Ivory Towers. I'll just leave school. I can make my own way, and when I'm down on my luck, it'll be my own fault!

Blah blah blah limp wristed whining liberals blah blah blah Bible-totin' witch-burnin' neocons blah blah blah white-woman-rapin' blacks blah blah blah world-controlling Holocaust-inventin' Jews blah blah blah bomb-throwin' clitoris-cuttin' Muslims blah blah blah America-hatin' Democrats blah blah blah 9/11-inventing Republicans blah blah blah.

Man, you're right! How could I have been blind for so long?

Time to start thinking like a conservative...well, I'll just accept those three credit cards that came in the mail, I can spend without actually earning the money...check.

Oops! I have lights off in my house! Better go turn them on, the environment is not only invincible, not my responsibility, but it's also there for me to rape!

Man, how can I cut some corners? I'd better get my friend out of rehab and into prison, weed is funding terrorism.

Where to hang my new confederate battle flag? Ah! Above my American flag, and next to my full-sized poster of Bush on the carrier with "Mission Accomplished" banner in the background...perfect.

Lastly, I'd better join the Army so I can help them haul all those WMDs out of Iraq.

There! Conversion complete! Oh, wait, I'm in college, which is run by Liberal elitists in their Ivory Towers. I'll just leave school. I can make my own way, and when I'm down on my luck, it'll be my own fault!

you have a friend in rehab for weed? how sad.

you have a friend in rehab for weed? how sad.

Well, if he was a drinker they'd be encouraging him. ;)

Well, if he was a drinker they'd be encouraging him. ;)

how's that?

how's that?

I misspoke. If he was famous, he'd be in rehab. Being regular, he should be in prison.

EDIT: Additionally, I don't actually have a friend in rehab. That was part of the satire.

my grandfather is ultra conservative and all he does is bitch and whine about liberals and the things we believe in being wrong, so I am suppose to believe that all republicans are old rich assholes who care only about themselves?

I misspoke. If he was famous, he'd be in rehab. Being regular, he should be in prison.

EDIT: Additionally, I don't actually have a friend in rehab. That was part of the satire.

oh.......well, then.

oh.......well, then.

yeah. Not too much going wrong here. I guess you have to be jaded to be conservative, maybe.

Where's the Three Billy Goats Gruff when you need them?

At first I thought MTAE had come back to annoy us all, but now I'm not so sure. MTAE at least tried to come up with something to support whatever ill-informed nonsense he was honking on about.

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.

Does anyone else notice this?

Yes I realise the irony of me also whining on the computer
Got some news for yah: EVERYONE does that! It's called human nature. Try again.

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.

Does anyone else notice this?

Yes I realise the irony of me also whining on the computer

I don't care about someone hanging a picture of jesus in a public school because I am too busy trying to overthrow capitalism to care. I don't whine, I organize.

I don't care about someone hanging a picture of jesus in a public school because I am too busy trying to overthrow capitalism to care. I don't whine, I organize.

Well at least you've got your priorities in order.

:eek: I sometimes have to laugh at the liberals in the Uk.

They were happy to nash their teeth over women wearing the veil in some muslim countries, calling it oppression. However, when women in the UK wear the veil, they call it freedom of the individual. :rolleyes:

:eek: I sometimes have to laugh at the liberals in the Uk.

They were happy to nash their teeth over women wearing the veil in some muslim countries, calling it oppression. However, when women in the UK wear the veil, they call it freedom of the individual. :rolleyes:

Well,in their countries,they are obliged to wear the veil by their culture,often forced to by men in the country.In this country,where we have a few more civil rights,they can take the veil off if they want-it's not written in the Qur'an,so they're under no religious obligation to wear it-and some choose not to.Some choose to wear it,and they're under every right to do so if they want to.We can't force them to take it off,much like people can't force them to put it on in their own countries.

Well,in their countries,they are obliged to wear the veil by their culture,often forced to by men in the country.In this country,where we have a few more civil rights,they can take the veil off if they want-it's not written in the Qur'an,so they're under no religious obligation to wear it-and some choose not to.Some choose to wear it,and they're under every right to do so if they want to.We can't force them to take it off,much like people can't force them to put it on in their own countries.

That's what I mean. What the hell has it got to do with some liberal lefty to decide it is oppression in one culture and freedom in another.

I'm sure there are many women in those muslim countries who are forced to wear the veil, but I am just as sure that there are as many who would wear it anyway. What has it got to do with you lefties.

Just as in the UK. A lot of the women ARE FORCED to wear it, but you would never get a lefty to admit it. Recently, those (in the UK) who have chosen to wear the veil are making a political statement out of it. And it is a political statement that has nothing to do with being liberal. So in reality a liberal is having to support a non-liberal viewpoint.

That's why I laugh.

We need to put together a Troll Welcome Basket.

What sorta of things would be in it though?

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edit: oh yeah to put a question to the OP

If liberals only whine and never do anything, why is the United States becomming more and more liberal in its policies?

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.

Does anyone else notice this?

Yes I realise the irony of me also whining on the computer


Kid, grow up.

So in reality a liberal is having to support a non-liberal viewpoint.

That's why I laugh.

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That's the whole point of liberalism: to accept that which is not your own thoughts. It's all part of tolorance and acceptance and a realization that not everything need be the same.

We need to put together a Troll Welcome Basket.

What sorta of things would be in it though?

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edit: oh yeah to put a couple of questions to the OP

If liberals only wine and never do anything, why is the United States becomming more and more liberal in its policies?

*tosses an elementary school English grammar and spelling text into the basket*

*tosses an elementary school English grammar and spelling text into the basket*American or British English?

That's what I mean. What the hell has it got to do with some liberal lefty to decide it is oppression in one culture and freedom in another.

I'm sure there are many women in those muslim countries who are forced to wear the veil, but I am just as sure that there are as many who would wear it anyway. What has it got to do with you lefties.

Just as in the UK. A lot of the women ARE FORCED to wear it, but you would never get a lefty to admit it. Recently, those (in the UK) who have chosen to wear the veil are making a political statement out of it. And it is a political statement that has nothing to do with being liberal. So in reality a liberal is having to support a non-liberal viewpoint.

That's why I laugh.

How on earth are things like freedom of personal choice and freedom of expression "non-liberal viewpoints"?

American or British English?

American but feel free to add the British version, I'm sure it won't go to waste.

This one is a "gimme". You don't get any points for it, Nazz.

What's the point of having fish in the barrel in the first place if you never shoot them? :D

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That's the whole point of liberalism: to accept that which is not your own thoughts. It's all part of tolorance and acceptance and a realization that not everything need be the same.

Not accept, unless by accept you mean "to acknowledge that it exists and is held by another." I don't accept the validity of racism, for example, but I do acknowledge that it exists, and do not suggest that people should be punished for holding that as an ethos.

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.

Does anyone else notice this?

Yes I realise the irony of me also whining on the computer

I like how liberals are always whining about all the gays ruining marriage, all the mexicans taking jobs and not learning english, blacks screwing over whites with affirmative action, the secularization of Christmas, taking "under god" out of the pledge, prayer in schools, women having control over their bodies, welfare recipients, activist judges, gun control laws, teaching evolution, fair treatment of prisoners, distributing condoms in school, progressive income taxation, liberal's "Blame America First" attitude, Bill Clinton....

oh wait.

We need to put together a Troll Welcome Basket.

What sorta of things would be in it though?

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This thread seems to heavily attract trolls, it's like a troll magnet. Adding some troll treats will increase the magnitism too much for NSG to bare!!

But what is it about this thread that attracts so many trolls?

Not accept, unless by accept you mean "to acknowledge that it exists and is held by another." I don't accept the validity of racism, for example, but I do acknowledge that it exists, and do not suggest that people should be punished for holding that as an ethos.
Yes, that's what I meant. Thank you for correcting me.

This thread seems to heavily attract trolls, it's like a troll magnet. Adding some troll treats will increase the magnitism too much for NSG to bare!!

But what is it about this thread that attracts so many trolls?

Well, it was created by one, a new, young one. But that's an idea, we need a Troll Magnet, or better yet, Troll Flypaper, something they'll stick to. We could rig it so there's a continuous loop playing of Bill Clinton reading the Constitution of the United States, over and over and over. And maybe alternate with someone reading from the Origin of Species. We could make a fortune peddling it to the other forums.

I like how liberals are always whining about all the gays ruining marriage, all the mexicans taking jobs and not learning english, blacks screwing over whites with affirmative action, the secularization of Christmas, taking "under god" out of the pledge, prayer in schools, women having control over their bodies, welfare recipients, activist judges, gun control laws, teaching evolution, fair treatment of prisoners, distributing condoms in school, progressive income taxation, liberal's "Blame America First" attitude, Bill Clinton....

oh wait.
You win.

This thread seems to heavily attract trolls, it's like a troll magnet. Adding some troll treats will increase the magnitism too much for NSG to bare!!

But what is it about this thread that attracts so many trolls?

Well I wasn't thinking so much about treats. Although perhaps a Trollhouse cookie as a one time snack might be nice.

I was hoping for maybe a Trolls Guide to NSG for Dummies.

We could grant them a title. Sort of like a title of nobility, but this would be more like a title of Troll-bility.

I dunno what else, so I was hoping for suggestions. My imagination has gone on vacation.

Look, more garbage dumped on our troll-friendly forum with troll-friendly mods by another miscreant vandal.

Hey, ya gotta give them some credit. They took out mtae.

Yeah hippies actually do something about their beliefs.

Wrong, non-hippie liberals most definitly protest and make petitions as well. And hippies are most definitly of the liberal persuasion.

I like taking it as Lewis Black said.

"the Republican party is a party of bad ideas. And the Democrat party is a party of no idea. In Congress a Republican will stand up and say 'I've got a really BAD IDEA.' and a Democrat will pipe up and say 'AND I CAN MAKE IT EVEN SHITTIER.'"

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.

Does anyone else notice this?

Yes I realise the irony of me also whining on the computer

How about the "irony" of qualifying your perspective with a passage from Matthew?

"Thou hypocrite, first cast Out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye." Matthew 7:5

Yup, the first grades were indeed generous.

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.

Does anyone else notice this?

Yes I realise the irony of me also whining on the computer

my grandfather is ultra conservative and all he does is bitch and whine about liberals and the things we believe in being wrong, so I am suppose to believe that all republicans are old rich assholes who care only about themselves?

My Grandfather is exactly the same...you should hear him rant if the word "Mexico" is brought up in conversation.

I have yet to see anything that would convince me that liberals whine any more or any less than conservatives.

This thread not only gets an "F"...it's getting held back.

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.

Does anyone else notice this?

Yes I realise the irony of me also whining on the computer

Well, as a liberal, I did something about what pisses me off about people like yourself. I voted. How's that democratic congressional majority sitting in your craw?

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.

Does anyone else notice this?

Yes I realise the irony of me also whining on the computer

That is so ture, I do not like Liberals because of it. Plus alot of other reasons.

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That's the whole point of liberalism: to accept that which is not your own thoughts. It's all part of tolorance and acceptance and a realization that not everything need be the same.


Yes you are right, but the lefties who whinge about oppression of women having to wear the veil in muslim countries are by definition not allowing those persons in those countries the freedom to express their own culture - they are trying to impose their own leftist view points. As such they are not being tolerant and accepting - (Is that an oxymoron ? -
I am sorry I just don't have the words to express myself any more clearly).

How on earth are things like freedom of personal choice and freedom of expression "non-liberal viewpoints"?

There is a certain political faction amongst the muslim community, in the UK, who are using the veil as a means of political expression. This is "liberal" expression, because they are allowed in a democratic society to do so. However, the actual polictics of these muslims are anything but liberal - Unless you accept that islamic fundamentalism is libralism in action. Can you see where I am going with this?

The liberal left in the UK say it is wrong that women are forced to wear the veil in muslim countries. Maybe - maybe not, but "liberalism" means you shouldn't critisice their culture anymore than they should criticise ours. Maybe they could argue that men should also wear the veil to make things equal :)

There are women in the UK who are forced to wear the veil - yet the liberal left can't understand that by backing the women's rights in the UK to wear the veil they are not able to help these other women who are forced to wear the veil.

The only analagy I can think of is - In the UK it is against the law to go naked in public. I doubt if many women in the UK would "choose" to go naked, in public, should that law ever be repealed!:D. The only difference is that men in the UK are not allowed to go naked either.

Sorry I am just lacking the intellect to argue this out any further - Can anyone help me out?

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.

Does anyone else notice this?

Yes I realise the irony of me also whining on the computer

Wait?...You are whining so that makes you a liberal?

That is so ture, I do not like Liberals because of it. Plus alot of other reasons.

Oh don't hold back sweetums. Let's hear your laundry list.

Liberals whine, but not all liberals whine. Conservatives are religous whackos, but not all conservatives are religoius whackos. The point I am poorly illustrating here is that you cant lump everyone one in a party with the "black sheep" of the party.

Well, as a liberal, I did something about what pisses me off about people like yourself. I voted. How's that democratic congressional majority sitting in your craw?
Absolute sweetness. :)

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.

Does anyone else notice this?

Yes I realise the irony of me also whining on the computer

I love you. You're so funny. :fluffle:

Well, as a liberal, I did something about what pisses me off about people like yourself. I voted. How's that democratic congressional majority sitting in your craw?

Total ownage. :sniper:

Whining liberals are not really libertarians. A true libertarian believes in free will , as such they should be pleased that people use their freewill to not to have the same points of view as themselves.

I think true liberatarians should think along the lines of :
respect the right of people to say and do the things they do - what ever they are - as they have the freewill to do it. I (as a libertarian) only have the right to ignore you not to criticise you!

Obviously as an authoritarian you should think along the lines of:
Everyone should do and say as I do - As such I have the right to criticise you and if you ignore me I'll force my views aupon you.

So, IMHO "whining liberals" are really authoritarian and not libertarian and should despise themselves for not understanding the true meaning of libertarianism.
:(

My political compass is economic left/right 1.31
authoritarian/libertarian -0.21
as such I am cursed with being sympathetic to everyone's point of view and never being able to hold a view of my own!;)

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Liberal has never meant libertarian.

Liberal has never meant libertarian.


Correct.
That is what I was trying to say. Most whining liberals do think they are libertarians - which they most certainly are not.

Substandard effort. B-
That high? I figure no better than an F. ;)

I'm whining about how liberals whine all the time and don't do anything else. I am not doing the same thing as they are.
I haven't read the whole thread but perhaps you might have noticed that the liberals whined all the way to the ballot box to dump the dangerous Republicants from power. I dare say that if Bush had been up for re-election, he would have been gone too.

Correct.
That is what I was trying to say. Most whining liberals do think they are libertarians - which they most certainly are not.
I don't think that any self respecting liberal would consider him/herself a libertarian by any stretch of the imagination.

Liberal has never meant libertarian.

Ever heard of classic liberals?

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.

Does anyone else notice this?

Yes I realise the irony of me also whining on the computer

I for one am a pragmatic whining liberal.

There's only so much liberal whining I can do in a day, and I'm sure as hell not wasting it on terrorist attacks or cunning conspiracies. Pictures of jesus have been known to fall off the wall, and global warming would be somewhat ameliorated by right-wing nutbags turning off their computer in disgust.

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That's the whole point of liberalism: to accept that which is not your own thoughts. It's all part of tolorance and acceptance and a realization that not everything need be the same.
The Harm Principle is another liberal tenet. Relativism is not.

Yes you are right, but the lefties who whinge about oppression of women having to wear the veil in muslim countries are by definition not allowing those persons in those countries the freedom to express their own culture - they are trying to impose their own leftist view points. As such they are not being tolerant and accepting - (Is that an oxymoron ?
Oh no, they want to let women wear what they want! The imperialists!

Yes you are right, but the lefties who whinge about oppression of women having to wear the veil in muslim countries are by definition not allowing those persons in those countries the freedom to express their own culture - they are trying to impose their own leftist view points. As such they are not being tolerant and accepting - (Is that an oxymoron ? -
I am sorry I just don't have the words to express myself any more clearly).

But don't you see that lacking the words to express yourself also means that you lack the words to conduct yourself? Like it or not we can't analyze complex issues with our guts, contrary to Stephen Colberts gastroenterological-neurological theory. All our guts are able to produce is shit. Make an effort to improve your vocabulary and you'll see the intellectual product of your guts for yourself.

Lacking the vocabulary to express yourself leaves you prey to those who have that vocabulary but choose to use your limited one to exploit your ignorance.

e.g. The religious wing-nuts who try to convince us that it is intolerant not to tolerate the intolerance of the religiously intolerant.

It is not imposing a view onto others when you create a situation in which they are able to express their own view. It is not oppression to attempt to get oppressive powers to stop oppressing others.

I (as a libertarian) only have the right to ignore you not to criticise you!
You don't believe people should have the right to criticise someone? That's not particularly libertarian of you. Quite friendly though, I guess.

the lefties who whinge about oppression of women having to wear the veil in muslim countries

What are you talking about? The conservatives are against oppression of women. Liberals love that shit.

What are you talking about? The conservatives are against oppression of women. Liberals love that shit.
I call bullshit.

What are you talking about? The conservatives are against oppression of women. Liberals love that shit.

I call bullshit.
No kidding!!

I call bullshit.

As do I. Who were the ones to first advocate women's rights in the first place? Liberals.

What are you talking about? The conservatives are against oppression of women. Liberals love that shit.
I suppose that's why women are more likely to vote Democrat than GOP.
They just love being oppressed, don't they?.

Oh, let me guess: You think the female brain is too weak and scatty to deal with difficult concepts like voting and politics. It just can't understand that the evil Democrats and Liberals are mad-keen on oppressing women, whereas noble GOP is truly wanting the best for them.
Same no doubt goes for Blacks and other minorities.

I suppose that's why women are more likely to vote Democrat than GOP.
They just love being oppressed, don't they?.

Oh, let me guess: You think the female brain is too weak and scatty to deal with difficult concepts like voting and politics. It just can't understand that the evil Democrats and Liberals are mad-keen on oppressing women, whereas noble GOP is truly wanting the best for them.
Same no doubt goes for Blacks and other minorities.

Conservatives are anti-muslim-tents, liberals are pro. End of story.

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After reading 16 pages it only proves that you obviously do not know what a liberal is.

As a left-wing liberal I do right to stand up for what i believe in. I don't think that we should always accept the government we are handed. I think we should take matters into our own hands.

I am in a group that is activly trying to change the nation and the world we live in. The people who whine are usually the ones who sit ont their complacent butts and do nothing and let it happen.

Conservatives are anti-muslim-tents, liberals are pro. End of story.

What the hell does that have to do with your previous claim?

American liberalism is hypocritical madness.

Support the soldiers but not the mission.
Claim to be humanitarian but support infanticide.
Want to help the poor but pick the most inefficient method to do it.
Support equality by giving more opportunities to a person because of their race
use the donations of billionaires to preach class warfare

It all seems rather absurd.

Coming in late here, and have not read all the posts, so let me first respond to the OP.

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.

You are so off base. You obviously understand very little about what liberals tend to believe. So allow me to enlighten you.

Firsy, I myself am liberal, and have many liberal friends. Not one of us sits around "whining" We volunteer, we do campaign work, we lobby, and we vote.

Second. Yes, we believe in freedom of religion, on which America was founded. We also believe in separation of church and state. The Constitution prohibits the states from allowing a centralized religion. Which makes the point of allowing it to be pushed in schools moot, as it is a step towards that end. So, in essence, you're stating that you have a problem with liberals defending the Constitution which has laid the very foundation of the country? That's intelligent.

As for the terrorist attack, we are certainly not immune to its devastation. However, we are also intelligent enough to realize it was no reason whatsoever to go to war in *Iraq*. No, my friend, THAT was a decision about oil and power. Nothing else.

Please. The next time you want to make a point, cure that ignorance bug before typing. You'll look much more intelligent.

I don't think that any self respecting liberal would consider him/herself a libertarian by any stretch of the imagination.
Good, it leaves us free to disassociate with said self-respecting, non-classical liberals.

haha.

American liberalism is hypocritical madness.

Support the soldiers but not the mission.

This could hardly be less hypocritical, when you actually think about it. Which seems more "supportive" to you - trying to get you back home to your family, or trying to keep you in a dangerous situation? Gee, tough call.


Claim to be humanitarian but support infanticide.

Assuming you're attempting to refer to abortion here, my answer is no, they claim to be humanitarian, and actually believe that women are human, too! :rolleyes:

Want to help the poor but pick the most inefficient method to do it.

Says you. Until you can substantiate that opinion with actual facts, you can hardly claim that disagreeing with you is hypocritical.

Support equality by giving more opportunities to a person because of their race

Oddly enough, part of being equal is helping those who are at a disadvantage. Funny how that works.

use the donations of billionaires to preach class warfare

It all seems rather absurd.

Well, that one does sound absurd, since I haven't the faintest clue what you're referring to.

American liberalism is hypocritical madness.

Support the soldiers but not the mission.

I am not an American liberal, and I really don't see the Hypocracy there. It could easily be said in reverse.
The right is mad to say they support the US soldiers and yet they are happy to send them to their deaths in a place they have no good reason to be.

Claim to be humanitarian but support infanticide.

Since I can't imagine a single liberal supporting infanticide I am guessing you are referring to a womans right to chose to use contraception or abortion.
Its hardly hypocritical to be a humanitarian and to support womens rights....

Want to help the poor but pick the most inefficient method to do it.

Yeah 'cause rampant capatalism is doing a great job of looking after the worlds poor :rolleyes:

Support equality by giving more opportunities to a person because of their race

Yeah so its hypocritical to support equality by attempting to make things equal... real hypocritical..

use the donations of billionaires to preach class warfare

It all seems rather absurd.
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Frankly its your post that seems rather absurd... sure there are moments of hypocracy on either side.. trying to make out that liberal minded folk are exclusively hypocritical is purely absurd

This could hardly be less hypocritical, when you actually think about it. Which seems more "supportive" to you - trying to get you back home to your family, or trying to keep you in a dangerous situation? Gee, tough call.



Assuming you're attempting to refer to abortion here, my answer is no, they claim to be humanitarian, and actually believe that women are human, too! :rolleyes:



Says you. Until you can substantiate that opinion with actual facts, you can hardly claim that disagreeing with you is hypocritical.



Oddly enough, part of being equal is helping those who are at a disadvantage. Funny how that works.



Well, that one does sound absurd, since I haven't the faintest clue what you're referring to.

Your first response made no sense.
I believe that women are human by definition. That gives them no right to murder their children.
Well, about your affirmative action response....funny thing is, the poor are always at a disadvantage, whereas you could only claim that an entire race was at a disadvantage of your were a racist yourself.

Since I can't imagine a since liberal supporting infanticide I am guessing you are referring to a womans right to chose to use contraception or abortion.
Its hardly hypocritical to be a humanitarian and to support womens rights....

Yeah so it hypocritical to support equality by attempting to make thing equal... real hypocritical..


Frankly its your post that seems rather absurd... sure there are moments of hypocracy on either side.. trying to make out that liberal minded folk are exclusively hypocritical is purely absurd[/QUOTE]

Millions of American women would be alive and well and with us today if they had not been ripped from their mothers and burned up with hospital refuse over the past 30 years.
Once again, the poor are always at a disadvantage. How can you claim an entire race is at a disadvantage without being a racist yourself?

Their are many hypocritical conservatives. But the liberal ones are worse because they are the ones who have been fooling people forever with promises of equality, justice, and compassion that they can never seem to deliever.

Your first response made no sense.
I believe that women are human by definition. That gives them no right to murder their children.
Well, about your affirmative action response....funny thing is, the poor are always at a disadvantage, whereas you could only claim that an entire race was at a disadvantage of your were a racist yourself.
So if every white person in the country was thrown in jail and all their worldly goods redistributed. If they were then all released because the racist "lock up the whites" policy was stopped are you saying that it would be racist to give them any support if you didn't also give the same support to the rest of the population who hadn't been locked up??

In order for things to be equal they have to be equalised... that doesn't just magically happen when you stop being racist.

Well, the board ate this post once, so I'll attempt to write it again :headbang: I have not read all the replies, so I will start by addressing the OP.

Have you noticed that all the majority of liberals do is whine, yet they never do anything about it. They just sit their, on their computers whining about the most trivial matters and prioritising higher then important matters.

For instance they would probably care more about a picture of Jesus being hung up in school then a terrible terrorist attack killing thousands of people and causing despair for many.

You could not be more off base. You apparently know very little about what liberals actually believe in and fight for, so let me enlighten you.

First, I am liberal and have many liberal friends. Not ONE of us sits around whining. We volunteer, we lobby, we do campaign work, and we VOTE.

Second, YES, we care about religious freedom on which America was founded. We care about separation of church and state. The constitution expressly forbids the creation of a centralized religion, so you can bet your arse we fight it happening. Allowing religion to be pushed down children's throats in school is a step toward that end. So in essence you're saying you have a problem fighting to uphold the Constitution on which our freedoms are based? That's intelligent.

We are also not oblivious to the devastation caused by a terrorist attack. However, we are intelligent enough to do the research and understand that 9/11 was NO reason to go to war in *Iraq* That move was purely for oil and control.

If you intend to post, I suggest you cure that ignorance bug before typing. It really hinders your argument when there is nothing to back it up, and much to dispute it.

So if every white person in the country was thrown in jail and all their worldly goods redistributed. If they were then all released because the racist "lock up the whites" policy was stopped are you saying that it would be racist to give them any support if you didn't also give the same support to the rest of the population who hadn't been locked up??

In order for things to be equal they have to be equalised... that doesn't just magically happen when you stop being racist.

Think about it. There are poor white people. There are rich white people. There are rich black people. There are poor black people.

THERE ARE NO RICH POOR PEOPLE.

Help them with affirmative action. Those who truly need it. Certainly that is not an unreasonable position. Right?

Your first response made no sense.

Please explain in what way my first response made no sense. It seems fairly clear-cut to me.

I believe that women are human by definition. That gives them no right to murder their children.

True, women have no right to murder their children. I'm quite certain I didn't suggest they did. They do, of course, have the right not to be forced to carry unwanted fetuses to term against their will.

Well, about your affirmative action response....funny thing is, the poor are always at a disadvantage, whereas you could only claim that an entire race was at a disadvantage of your were a racist yourself.

Or, y'know, I could claim that, on average, black people are at a disadvantage because the facts back me up. Discrimination manifestly exists; admitting that to be the case and working to fix it is rather obviously not racist.

Millions of American women would be alive and well and with us today if they had not been ripped from their mothers and burned up with hospital refuse over the past 30 years.

What about all the women that haven't been born because we don't shag girls when they are 12 anymore... every wasted egg is a wasted life, a life that could have been... :headbang: by your reasoning its criminal to let a woman have a period without at least trying to impregnate her......

Or, y'know, I could claim that, on average, black people are at a disadvantage because the facts back me up. Discrimination manifestly exists; admitting that to be the case and working to fix it is rather obviously not racist.

But you're still discriminating on basis of race and class.

It's essentially the "eye for an eye" argument.

True, women have no right to murder their children. I'm quite certain I didn't suggest they did. They do, of course, have the right not to be forced to carry unwanted fetuses to term against their will.



Or, y'know, I could claim that, on average, black people are at a disadvantage because the facts back me up. Discrimination manifestly exists; admitting that to be the case and working to fix it is rather obviously not racist.

And why are these "unwanted fetuses" destroyed? Because they are the very offspring whom people do not want to live the rest of their lives with. Greed, inhumanity, and euphamisms abound.....

There are poor white people and rich white people. There are poor black people and rich black people.

There are no rich poor people.

Why not simply help those who ALWAYS need it....the poor.

What about all the women that haven't been born because we don't shag girls when they are 12 anymore... every wasted egg is a wasted life, a life that could have been... :headbang: by your reasoning its criminal to let a woman have a period without at least trying to impregnate her......

Idiotic. Life begins at conception. Go back to school and take biology 101.

Why not simply help those who ALWAYS need it....the poor.

because politicians support pet programs that simply put a bandaid on the issue of poverty in certain areas, and thats why Democrats are more popular in areas dominated by the minorities.

excepting california, an area where whites are suddenly the minority.

If a person did not believe a fetus to be a living being, why would they seek to destroy it?

Think about it. There are poor white people. There are rich white people. There are rich black people. There are poor black people.

THERE ARE NO RICH POOR PEOPLE.

Help them with affirmative action. Those who truly need it. Certainly that is not an unreasonable position. Right?

It might be of some interest to note that if you gathered 100 randomly-selected white American citizens in a room with 100 randomly-selected black American citizens and 100 randomly-selected latino American citizens, there would be a lot more poor black and latino citizens than there would be poor white citizens. As poverty seems to inordinately affect blacks and latinos, affirmative action seems in order.

But you're still discriminating on basis of race and class.

It's essentially the "eye for an eye" argument.

Huh? "Eye for an eye" involves someone getting punished for doing something wrong. Whom exactly does giving black people the same chances as white people punish? :confused:

It might be of some interest to note that if you gathered 100 randomly-selected white American citizens in a room with 100 randomly-selected black American citizens and 100 randomly-selected latino American citizens, there would be a lot more poor black and latino citizens than there would be poor white citizens. As poverty seems to inordinately affect blacks and latinos, affirmative action seems in order.

But doesnt poverty affect 100% of those who are in poverty? Why not simply help those who are in poverty and take race out of it so that we can be fair?

Huh? "Eye for an eye" involves someone getting punished for doing something wrong. Whom exactly does giving black people the same chances as white people punish? :confused:

because the white people are rich, on the average, me must give the black people an advantage because being of a higher class is wrong and puts us in the position of restoring equality by taking from the already rich.

either white or black or asian or filipino or russian, et al. explain to me why you think that affirmative action works so well in colleges when we are trying to promote ethnic equality without racial basis.