NationStates Jolt Archive

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraqi President Jalal Talabani rejected the Iraq Study Group's report Sunday, calling it "very dangerous" to Iraq's sovereignty and constitution.

"We can smell in it the attitude of James Baker," Talabani said, referring to the report's co-chair who served as secretary of state under President George H. W. Bush during the 1991 Iraq war.

Talabani blamed Baker for leaving then-Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein in power after that conflict, which ousted Iraqi troops from Kuwait.

He also criticized the report for recommending a law that would allow thousands of former officials from Hussein's ousted Baath party to serve in Iraqi government posts.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/10/iraq.main/index.html

Well, now not only republicans in the U.S. are rejecting the report, but so is the President of the subject country. What are your thoughts on the future of this report? Will it be implemented? Or Rejected completely?

Neither. It'll be half and half.

Was literally talking with a Iraqi American last night about the subject of Iraq. We talk alot when our group of friends get together. His direct statement was that most people in the United States have no idea what they were talking about when they speak of Iraq. He spoke of listening to radio talk shows and calling in to either correct the Egyptian so called expert they had on the radio or correcting callers. He bagged on people that were critical of over throwing Saddam. He was also critical of our president for not planning correctly for the aftermath. He had gone to Iraq about 6 months ago to see family. His words were that the people there were better off then before Saddam. He also said that there were alot of foreign pressures creating problems in Iraq including Iran. Basically his main point is if the Iraqi federal government is not helped to stabalize then it will be unable to keep a lid on unrest. He said that people would turn to the religious zealots for help rather then the government. Thus making a huge problem. We are already seeing the begining of that he mentioned. So if the leader of Iraq says the report is wrong then I would tend to believe him over a stuffed shirt politician in the United States or anywhere else for that matter.

Present strategy isn't working so I think we will have a gradual phase down of American and Allied troops in Iraq. As the troops pull out, so will the contractors and others who might be investing in the country.

The Iraq government won't be able to govern and the Iraq military and police will not or will not be able to control the violence. The government will collapse and the country will go into a full-scale civil war. The Kurds will retreat into their territory and declare an independent Kurdistan.

The rest of Iraq will be in total chaos and Iran will move in to "help stabilize the situation" and take over the oil fields in the south. The remainder of the country will become a Taliban like theocracy and a haven for terrorist groups. IMHO

Present strategy isn't working so I think we will have a gradual phase down of American and Allied troops in Iraq. As the troops pull out, so will the contractors and others who might be investing in the country.

The Iraq government won't be able to govern and the Iraq military and police will not or will not be able to control the violence. The government will collapse and the country will go into a full-scale civil war. The Kurds will retreat into their territory and declare an independent Kurdistan.

The rest of Iraq will be in total chaos and Iran will move in to "help stabilize the situation" and take over the oil fields in the south. The remainder of the country will become a Taliban like theocracy and a haven for terrorist groups. IMHO
Yep, Muchtada al-Sadr is going to be one bloody happy man when the US leaves. Because, let's face it, he's going to be the new leader of Iraq.

Oh and as to the Kurds getting their own land - will they fuck get their own land. It's got oil in, when the new Iraq is formed after the US pulls out, they're going to get shoved out of the country.

Should be implemented but won't.

Haha, I love the irony of a President who owes his position to a violation of the sovereignty of Iraq criticising something for being "very dangerous articles which undermine the sovereignty of Iraq".

He bagged on people that were critical of over throwing Saddam.
Why should he be critical of those people? Overthrowing Saddam is one thing, but not having a well thought out strategy for the alternative is insane.

He was also critical of our president for not planning correctly for the aftermath.
See above. Bush was way out of line in invading Iraq.

He had gone to Iraq about 6 months ago to see family. His words were that the people there were better off then before Saddam.
This kinda contradicts your earlier statement?

He also said that there were alot of foreign pressures creating problems in Iraq including Iran.
This is what happens when Iraq was destabilized. Again, no forethought by the Busheviks on this one.

Basically his main point is if the Iraqi federal government is not helped to stabalize then it will be unable to keep a lid on unrest.
The US has been trying to "stabilize" Iraq for the past 4 years after the "Mission was Accomplished", and the result is.....tada.....an Iraq embroiled in civil war.

He said that people would turn to the religious zealots for help rather then the government.
They are already doing this????? Another master stroke by the truly incompetent people.

Thus making a huge problem.
It already is a huge problem???

We are already seeing the begining of that he mentioned.
Ummmm the beginning of this actually started when the Baathists were removed from the military and government jobs. Way to go Bush/Bremmer!!

So if the leader of Iraq says the report is wrong then I would tend to believe him over a stuffed shirt politician in the United States or anywhere else for that matter.
Ummm I thought you were very supportive of those "stuffed shirts" throughout this whole debacle? It would appear that the report definitely has some merit.

From reading what you have written, I cannot see how your Iraqi friend can come to the conclusion that Iraq is better off today. It is totally contradictory testament.