NationStates Jolt Archive

I thought, (after watching the C.S.A film by spike lee) what would America be like if the soviet won the cold war. Then i made this Image. Note: The CPUSA stands for communist party of the united states of America. I thought adout calling it the C.P.U.S.S.S.A but that would have been to much of a mouthfull.

Is it me or does your life revolve around communism?

edit: "yeeeehaw" (http://tx.cpusa.org/cowmarx.gif)

I thought, (after watching the C.S.A film by spike lee) what would America be like if the soviet won the cold war. Then i made this Image. Note: The CPUSA stands for communist party of the united states of America. I thought adout calling it the C.P.U.S.S.S.A but that would have been to much of a mouthfull.

Why only 15 stars?

'k...

Why only 15 stars?

my moneys on him not being American...

Why only 15 stars?

One star per state is too individual and petit bourgeois. This way they all get to share a few.

Is it me or does your life revolve around communism?

edit: "yeeeehaw" (http://tx.cpusa.org/cowmarx.gif)

Yes. Without i would have taken to petty crime and drugs long ago.

One star per state is too individual and petit bourgeois. This way they all get to share a few.

Nice ninja edit.

Yes.

Go move to a Communist Country then, see if you like it.

Yes.

what breakfast cereal do you eat? is your toilet paper red? is your idea of a good first date involve a night in having hot sex so as to boycott capitalist orientated dating ideas?

I always imagined it would look more like this:

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/9713/us1896ls9.gif

I don't think I'd cut the mustard in a communist country. I'm the sort of person where "Because we've always done it that way" and "That's what everybody else does" are valid reasons to not. *nod*

Go move to a Communist Country then, see if you like it.

there aren’t any!

and the whole "why not just move" argument is a tad retarded no?

Yes. Without i would have taken to petty crime and drugs long ago.

Whats wrong with drugs and crime? They've worked out pretty well for me.

there aren’t any!

Which proves it doesn't work, and means he shouldnt really be spending so much time on it...

Without i would have taken to petty crime and drugs long ago.

isn't taking someone’s property criminal though :p

and curse your editing skillz!

Which proves it doesn't work, and means he shouldnt really be spending so much time on it...

agreed he shouldn’t be wasting his life on it, but how many countries can you name that actually work?

there aren’t any!

Vietnam, PRC (lol), Cuba... I'm sure I'm missing one or two.

and the whole "why not just move" argument is a tad retarded no?

I don't think so. It's like white suburban kids thinking the "gangsta" lifestyle is cool. I'm sure living in the Projects for a few months would change their minds pretty damn quick.

Vietnam, PRC (lol), Cuba... I'm sure I'm missing one or two.

ah but how many are Trotsky based ;) (yes communist do make allot of excuses)

I don't think so. It's like white suburban kids thinking the "gangsta" lifestyle is cool. I'm sure living in the Projects for a few months would change their minds pretty damn quick.

or they would love it and come back more gangster than ever?

Vietnam, PRC (lol), Cuba... I'm sure I'm missing one or two.

Laos and North Korea. I think that's it.

Go move to a Communist Country then, see if you like it.

I can't get a Cuban citzenship.

Nice ninja edit.

*judo chop*

ah but how many are Trotsky based ;) (yes communist do make allot of excuses)

Ah, I thought there was a chance thats what you were implying. (no "Communist" state has existed yet)

or they would love it and come back more gangster than ever?

Riiiight.

I can't get a Cuban citzenship.

Build a raft. That's what the cubans do when they want to leave. :)

Laos and North Korea. I think that's it.

Shit in Lenin's briefcase! I knew I was missing a 'big' one.

Build a raft. That's what the cubans do when they want to leave. :)

I would have get over the entire Atlantic ocean! And I can't navigate!:(

I would have get over the entire Atlantic ocean! And I can't navigate!:(

I can't think of a better time to learn. Nothing is a better motivator than crisis. :)

Which proves it doesn't work, and means he shouldnt really be spending so much time on it...

I agree completly with you.:p

Excuses i have heard for communism are ridiculous:
"comunism is perfect in theory just not in practice":rolleyes: if its not perfect in practice how can it be practice in theory?

"Communism has never been implemented properly" so how does anyone seriously think it can be implemented ever when so many nations has tryed an failed. Being a communist can be compared to signing a petition to bring stalin back from the dead, utterly pointless.:headbang:

There are so many more other ridiculous excuses, all of which just prove truly how misguided and ideologically moribund communists are. The sooner they realise that communism has reached its nadir, and shall soon leave the political spectrum, the better the planet will be:upyours:

I can't think of a better time to learn. Nothing is a better motivator than crisis. :)

Alright.... I'LL DO IT! FAIR-WELL GOOD COMRADES!
*Kicks off form shore hit's republic of island and swims back*
Capitalists highjacked my raft!

Being a communist can be compared to signing a petition to bring stalin back from the dead,
:

KILL STALIN!!!

By the way, even the so called communist countries, aren't really communists.... some are maoists (not the same things) some already got the seeds of free enterprise working in them... and some are just corrupt.

But if I can say to the maker of the thread... communism is soooo last century... now the really socialist thing that is in, is social democrats......

By the way, even the so called communist countries, aren't really communists.... some are maoists (not the same things) some already got the seeds of free enterprise working in them... and some are just corrupt.

But if I can say to the maker of the thread... communism is soooo last century... now the really socialist thing that is in, is social democrats......

Did know the Bolsheviks started off as a faction in the Russian Social Democrat party? So what your saying is i should be a MENSHEVIK!

Hey, work for civil and social rights, for welfare inside the democratic system.... win both world.... not to mention that it's more practical

Hey, work for civil and social rights, for welfare inside the democratic system.... win both world.... not to mention that it's more practical

But I don't want to end up like the Labour party. But I could join Respect if they stop being so hippie.
I just wish the Japanese communist party could move to Britain.

Ever read animal farm?

"Communism has never been implemented properly" so how does anyone seriously think it can be implemented ever when so many nations has tryed an failed.

Because it wasn't implemented properly (or indeed, at all, really.)

You are confusing policies with expected consequences. If a country implements communist policies and they fail miserably to produce good results, then you are perfectly justified in saying that that's evidence against communism's merit. But if a country fails to implement communist policies, whatever the name of the party in power, arguing that communism failed because of the awful consequences of those non-communist policies amounts to a straw man.

Now, you could justifiably move from the observation that communism has never been implemented properly to the conclusion that the methods communists have used to implement communism haven't worked very well, and you'd be right. But that has no bearing on the merits of the system.

Communism so far hasn't worked because of three reasons: 1: it's never been tried on a global scale, the only way it would really work. 2: most "communist" countries are more capitalist than the United States, and 3: all "communist" states are dictatorships, which goes against the very ideals of communism in the first place.

Alright.... I'LL DO IT! FAIR-WELL GOOD COMRADES!
*Kicks off form shore hit's republic of island and swims back*
Capitalists highjacked my raft!

Those bastards! :mad:




















Anybody want to buy a raft? Only used once. :)

Communism so far hasn't worked because of three reasons: 1: it's never been tried on a global scale, the only way it would really work. 2: most "communist" countries are more capitalist than the United States, and 3: all "communist" states are dictatorships, which goes against the very ideals of communism in the first place.

I agree. I have have always wondered what would have happened if red army would have breaked through Poland to help communist goverment in Germany after WWI. Would we all be living in worker's paradice (revolution spreading due USSR would have no fear in war against Germany (USSR telled to communist parties in other countries not to revolt (or if they were in power, not to socialize, because capitalist countries usually had stronger armies and, thus, better allies against axis), because then it would be easy for Hitler to take over that country))? Or would it (USSR and Germany as one nation or in alliance) have suffered the same fate that happened to "communist" countries?

Back in the USSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_in_the_USSA)

If Marxism is every openly brought to my country, I will go underground and wage war until killed or victory.

Back in the USSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_in_the_USSA)

If Marxism is every openly brought to my country, I will go underground and wage war until killed or victory.

Brave or foolish words?

You are saying that, if a platform you don't agree with is introduced in your society, you consider terrorism/insurgency an acceptable first recourse...?

If Marxism is every openly brought to my country, I will go underground and wage war until killed or victory.

Not me. I'd collaborate with the regime and become one of the wealthy nomenklatura.

There are so many more other ridiculous excuses, all of which just prove truly how misguided and ideologically moribund communists are. The sooner they realise that communism has reached its nadir, and shall soon leave the political spectrum, the better the planet will be:upyours:
A first post with the "upyours" smilie? Wow, never saw that coming...

Also: I'm no fan of Communism, but isn't it true that many smaller Communist states failed because the US purposely destabilized them or supported rebels over elected socialist leaders?

Not me. I'd collaborate with the regime and become one of the wealthy nomenklatura.

And, upon my victory and if you're still here, I'd have you executed for high treason.

Brave or foolish words?

You are saying that, if a platform you don't agree with is introduced in your society, you consider terrorism/insurgency an acceptable first recourse...?

Only if Marxism becomes the national ideal. Right now, it's restricted to lower New England and the Pacific Northwest that's west of the Rockie's. I'll try and fight it through peaceful processes in its current state. But I will not surrender my political. personal, or economic freedoms. I am willing to kill to preserve them.

And, upon my victory and if you're still here, I'd have you executed for high treason.

Possibly, but hopefully I'd be on my way back to the USSR long before that happens. I'll be a millionaire at the least, and all the US industrial and commercial technology I steal and send back will greatly boost the Soviet economy.

And, upon my victory and if you're still here, I'd have you executed for high treason.

Only if Marxism becomes the national ideal. Right now, it's restricted to lower New England and the Pacific Northwest that's west of the Rockie's. I'll try and fight it through peaceful processes in its current state. But I will not surrender my political. personal, or economic freedoms. I am willing to kill to preserve them.

How can you even pretend to be democratic, if you are willing to kill to enforce your own prejudices on others?

“Communism has never been implemented properly” so how does anyone seriously think it can be implemented ever when so many nations has tryed an failed. Being a communist can be compared to signing a petition to bring stalin back from the dead, utterly pointless.:headbang:

There are so many more other ridiculous excuses, all of which just prove truly how misguided and ideologically moribund communists are. The sooner they realise that communism has reached its nadir, and shall soon leave the political spectrum, the better the planet will be:upyours:
Communism, like most political philosophies, is based on readings of philosophical texts; on this case the works of Karl Marx.

Marx was a hugely prolific author, with well over eighty texts in existence, and unfortunately wasn’t always the most precise of writers. He’s often quite vague in conclusions, for example he never detailed in any way what a communist state would operate like. There is a massive range of opinions on what Marx wrote and meant by those writings. Very generally:

The most well-known version of communism is orthodox Marxism, formulated largely from Marx’s writings by Engels and Lenin. This is the historicist Marxism, the ‘guiding light’ to the USSR and most other communist states.

‘Hetrodox’ Marxism, influenced by writer’s in the late 20th century, is a much more autonomous Marxism, concentrating on Marx’s alienation theory among other things. It is usually concerned with challenging, examining and pointing out capitalism’s flaws rather than creating a worker’s paradise.

These are just two interpretations of Marx. There are many, many others (Mao’s interpretation, for example), just as there are many, many interpretations of the Bible, or different way’s of understanding Plato, Mill, Hobbes, or any other political philosopher. The idea that there is one interpretation of Marx, and if that is shown to be a poor governmental system Marx goes out the window is ridiculous.

How can you even pretend to be democratic, if you are willing to kill to enforce your own prejudices on others?

Because Marxism is not democratic. It's an autocracy that wants to be elected into power and, once established, it would do anything and everything to prevent its removal.

Because Marxism is not democratic. It’s an autocracy that wants to be elected into power and, once established, it would do anything and everything to prevent its removal.
So to fight something you must become it? Bizarre.

So to fight something you must become it? Bizarre.

I would never become a Marxist, nor would I ever try to put one in place. Marxism says, "Do everything for the sake of the state/community! If you do not, then you are a traitor and will be punished!" I say, "Do whatever you want, for the community, state, or yourself. So long as you don't restrict anyone else's freedom, I won't interfere."

Whats wrong with drugs and crime? They've worked out pretty well for me.

"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."

-Hunter S. Thompson

Words to live by :D

How can you even pretend to be democratic, if you are willing to kill to enforce your own prejudices on others?

Any system that lays claim to my life, liberty or property without my consent is inherently unjust, and I would be forced to defend myself from it's unjust advances.

Marxism says, “Do everything for the sake of the state/community! If you do not, then you are a traitor and will be punished!”
No, it doesn’t. Marxism is, very generally, an examination of the economic base of society and how it affects society as a whole, combined with a critique of the capitalist economic system and its alienation of humanity.

Theres a rumor Mario games during the cold war had subliminal communist propaganda in them.

http://commiemario.ytmnd.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rztQbF-Rc5o&mode=related&search=

Theres another one but the site isn't allowed here so...

Well, they murdered millions of people and ruined a country’s economic prospects for the next 100 years, but damn, those Stalinists could write a good tune.

No, it doesn’t. Marxism is, very generally, an examination of the economic base of society and how it affects society as a whole, combined with a critique of the capitalist economic system and its alienation of humanity.

Which then goes on to recommend that everything and everyone should be forced to contribute to society. Notice the key word there - force. It inherently denies freewill and the supreme sovereignty of the individual (right along with all other authoritarian governments). I hold those beliefs close to my heart and will violently strike down anything that tries to take them away or fight those who, knowingly or not, undermine them.

Well, they murdered millions of people and ruined a country’s economic prospects for the next 100 years, but damn, those Stalinists could write a good tune.

Yeah, gotta hand it to the Reds for writing a nice song. And developing good filming techniques.

Well, they murdered millions of people and ruined a country’s economic prospects for the next 100 years, but damn, those Stalinists could write a good tune.

I don't know, Russia was a hell of a lot better off after the Revolution than it was before. Plus, without Stalin's industrialization program the USSR would've been occupied by Germany and we might have lost the war.

Which then goes on to recommend that everything and everyone should be forced to contribute to society.
Whereabouts? We are talking about Marx here, and not Lenin or Stalin?

I don’t know, Russia was a hell of a lot better off after the Revolution than it was before. Plus, without Stalin’s industrialization program the USSR would’ve been occupied by Germany and we might have lost the war.
You mean without the snow, mud and millions upon millions of Russian soldiers protecting their homes? Stalin’s industrialisation program was inefficient, horribly complicated, absurdist and completely and utterly ineffectual. Centralised planning and the 5-year plans were massive failures, struggling even on mass slave-labour. The Russian economy is still recovering from its effects.

Russia was better off after the February revolution. Even then, the Duma was so ineffectual it spoiled the party. The October revolution and everything after it, to use the technical term, sucked.

Capitalism is the oppression of man by man. Leninism is the opposite.