NationStates Jolt Archive

I have posted this because I beleive that most NSers have hard feeling for me after my "we're all going to die over money" thread. Besides I was stressed out that day over other things, the last thing I needed was to find out that Britain couldn't pay for a project that would save the environment, as we al know stressed out people tend to be irrational.I think this answers your questions, I should not be looked down on for the generalizations made on the money thread, read this before labelling me heartless fascist whose ideals throw the disabled on the streets.

I apologize for my endorsment of feudalism, I only read about it at my school and in an attempt to make everything seem flowery and good (to ovoid offending anyone) they only stated the positive side in theirtextbooks. I looked at other subjects and it kinda did the same for other people in history who committed terrible deeds. I now know that I'm not feudalist. I know my ideal economic system will

-promote justice rather than injustice

-focus on the bettment of humanity and the advancement of the nation and its citezens as a whole rather than just oneself

-only serves and rewards citezens that work (disabled and those unable to work would get free medical and they would get everything free, and it would be payed from the tax payers money)

-taxes are demanded (to help support the government when paying for large projects) but if you can't pay them you can make it up by working more

-money would only be used by government for international trade

-the economy would be socialistic

-it will encourage people to do their job the best they can and discourage greed

I'd say that my economic ideals are the following:

- the promotion of growth over most else

- the promotion of national good

but I make certain assumptions in favoring an economic system:

- people are self-interested

- inequality is somewhat natural given differences in ability and desire and ultimately some people are more valuable to society than others

- property is a necessity for promotion of economic growth due to assumption #1

- governmental action has a greater tendency to problems due to the corruption of government officials and the fact that knowledge becomes more difficult due to the distortions of facts made by government officials to promote their objectives

- capitalist economies are relatively stable and efficient

Yeah, I tend towards capitalism.

Every able and capable individual should be able to provide value* to his or her fellow human beings and use the rewards to create the life he or she wants.

*Value being measured by the agreement between the person providing it and the person receiving it.

I am a staunch supporter of Tyrantism, as long as I am the Tyrant. Other than that I'm a fairly well practicing revolutionist.

Free-market capitalism.

My economic ideals are free market generally. However I wouldnt really oppose the government spending money to enhance commerce for the nation and wouldnt protest too much if a tariff were passed to protect home industry so they can have a breather to adapt to the market.

But then again im still hammering out the details of my economic ideals passed my devotion to the ideals of low taxes, privatization, and a small government. Still some details that need to be ironed out.

My economic ideals are free market generally. However I wouldnt really oppose the government spending money to enhance commerce for the nation and wouldnt protest too much if a tariff were passed to protect home industry so they can have a breather to adapt to the market.

But then again im still hammering out the details of my economic ideals past my devotion to the ideals of low taxes, privatization, and a small government. Still some details that need to be ironed out.

Communism. Decentralized communes based upon free association cooperatively producing goods and sharing the proceeds more or less equally among the members.

Communism. Decentralized communes based upon free association cooperatively producing goods and sharing the proceeds more or less equally among the members.
Weren't you contemplating something along the lines of anarcho-primitivism?

Ideally, probably anarchism to be honest. But I'm pessimistic about that being achieved so I will continue to work for social democracy.

Weren't you contemplating something along the lines of anarcho-primitivism?

Not exactly. For me it's more of a perspective from which to critique modern society than an actual solid proposal.

I think my communist ideals, if implemented, might generate somewhat primitivist results, and certainly would have elements of primitivism in them, assuming they manage, as I think they would, to construct a truly free society on the basis of freedom from propertarian compulsion and social indoctrination (domestication). If they would merely be an egalitarian rendition of present economic structures, I would count them a failure. So I will defend elements of anarcho-primitivism as a sort of potential result rather than a definite solution.

But I don't agree with the anarcho-primitivists that all technology beyond the most basic has a production and implementation system that is necessarily alienating and oppressive, perhaps because I mostly reject their critique of symbolic culture, and as such I can see a compromise solution - a somewhat technological society that avoids most of the oppressive aspects of modern civilization.

My ideal economy would rely solely upon common law based upon the rights of life, liberty, and property, with no powers being granted to government greater than those of the people and with the option of secession from the government (not the common law), as would fit freedom of association. Beyond that, it doesn't matter.

No idea.

Half of the time, people insist I'm a evil corrupt capitalist oppressor. The other half of the time, I'm a evil corrupt communist oppressor.

**shrugs, goes back to minesweeper**

No idea.

Half of the time, people insist I'm a evil corrupt capitalist oppressor. The other half of the time, I'm a evil corrupt communist oppressor.

Just embrace your inner oppressiveness.

With myself I believe in regulated free markets and publicly provide services.

Just embrace your inner oppressiveness.

With myself I believe in regulated free markets and publicly provide services.

How can the market be free if it's regulated?

Me, I am a free market capitalist who is looking into Laissez-faire economics.

How can the market be free if it's regulated?

I'm using "free markets" in the popular sense. Most people would say the US has a free market economy.

I'm using "free markets" in the popular sense. Most people would say the US has a free market economy.

Well it's misguided.

I'm using "free markets" in the popular sense. Most people would say the US has a free market economy.
The appropriate term for it is Keynesianism, or Keynesian capitalism, isn't it? :)

My foremost economic value is the fair compensation for labor.

My foremost economic value is the fair compensation for labor.

That's called a salary.

Well it's misguided.

You might as well agrue that capitalism has never existed. Rand did.

that parecon thingy sounds good. but i haven't looked at it closely enough to form a proper opinion on it yet. i have other things to worry about at the moment.

The appropriate term for it is Keynesianism, or Keynesian capitalism, isn't it? :)

It can be desbibed in many terms. All true to some degree or another. All missing the full nuances too.

That's called a salary.

Wages do not fill your belly.

The fair compensation of labor is the product of said labor.

How can the market be free if it's regulated?


The same way a society can be free even if it puts murderers in jail.

Just embrace your inner oppressiveness.


Hi, I'm Dissonant Cognition. I'm a bastard.

**breaks down weeping**

Wages do not fill your belly.

The fair compensation of labor is the product of said labor.

Yes they do, I work for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, at the end of two weeks, I get money, I go to the food store, buy some food and I am happy and my belly is filled.

The fair compensation of labor is the product of said labor.
So a person who works at a factory producing CDs should go home at the end of each day with a few hundred copies of Cat Power's latest EP while the middle-aged women of the world are left with nothing to make them cry?
Large corporations are in a much better position to distribute desired products on an international scale than individuals or governments.

Basically what Soheran said.