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Ok hopefully I got your attention


What my post is about is the fact that I'm disgusted at all this opposition. Why do we feel like we need to force our beliefs on everyone else....that goes for christian, agnostic, and atheists or anything in between. I personally am rather upset with christians who try to force things onto other people. Christ called for us to speak the word and that some would reject it. So if they reject it then why do we still fight with them. Look I love everyone...I want everyone to get along and I am sick and tired of this crap. Just for the record christians are not all judgmental and exclusive. I personally try to treat everyone equal and help anyone I can because it's what Christ would've done. He would've have agreed with abortion or similar hot issues of today but he certainly wouldn't have condemed them as many of my fellow christians tend to do. Ok I'm done....flame me if you must I just had to get my frustration at this fourm out.

You've not been here long have you?

I mean, you're not going to get very far with that kind of attitude are you?

I'm a Christian and I think that I can agree with most of what you say. I for one have never initiated a religious thread here; I've only tried to defend my religion (however feebly) at times. Some of what I don't agree with is due to misspelling; although I think that it majorly messes up your argument.
He would've have agreed with abortion or similar hot issues of today but he certainly wouldn't have condemed them as many of my fellow christians tend to do.Would've have? Don't you mean wouldn't have?

Howdy TC! :)

I think your frustration is understandable. There tends to be a lot of wrong-headedness on all sides of the debates in this forum.

But let's give folks a break, and be compassionate. Their frustration is understandable too.

Howdy TC! :)

I think your frustration is understandable. There tends to be a lot of wrong-headedness on all sides of the debates in this forum.

But let's give folks a break, and be compassionate. Their frustration is understandable too.

Not from me, what with the infallibility and all.

Trilby63;12061037']Not from me, what with the infallibility and all.

Well they're infallible too, they just don't know it.

Well they're infallible too, they just don't know it.

Well that's the thing ain't it. If ya don't invoke it ya can't claim it, can you?

Ok hopefully I got your attention


What my post is about is the fact that I'm disgusted at all this opposition. Why do we feel like we need to force our beliefs on everyone else....that goes for christian, agnostic, and atheists or anything in between. I personally am rather upset with christians who try to force things onto other people. Christ called for us to speak the word and that some would reject it. So if they reject it then why do we still fight with them. Look I love everyone...I want everyone to get along and I am sick and tired of this crap. Just for the record christians are not all judgmental and exclusive. I personally try to treat everyone equal and help anyone I can because it's what Christ would've done. He would've have agreed with abortion or similar hot issues of today but he certainly wouldn't have condemed them as many of my fellow christians tend to do. Ok I'm done....flame me if you must I just had to get my frustration at this fourm out.

...Ok, look around do you really think these people here act like this in the real world? Everyone here typing would be in jail for asault or in hospital with broken jaws.

People here like to argue.

As for your beef with all people who believe anything--as if you believe something you tend to want others to believe it too--

Its about being RIGHT---

Most of what people say are opinions, but they voice them as facts.
Some of us know we are voicing opinion, others really believe that they are voicing facts...because they couldnt be wrong.

So accept the fact that most people are more worried about being correct then being kind, or whatever else you like.

Welcome to NS, and welcome to NSG.

Ok hopefully I got your attention


What my post is about is the fact that I'm disgusted at all this opposition. Why do we feel like we need to force our beliefs on everyone else....that goes for christian, agnostic, and atheists or anything in between. I personally am rather upset with christians who try to force things onto other people. Christ called for us to speak the word and that some would reject it. So if they reject it then why do we still fight with them. Look I love everyone...I want everyone to get along and I am sick and tired of this crap. Just for the record christians are not all judgmental and exclusive. I personally try to treat everyone equal and help anyone I can because it's what Christ would've done. He would've have agreed with abortion or similar hot issues of today but he certainly wouldn't have condemed them as many of my fellow christians tend to do. Ok I'm done....flame me if you must I just had to get my frustration at this fourm out.


did you notice that you are on a debate forum? thats what we DO here. religion is as much up for discussion as any other topic.

when you are asking people's opinions, you get them. if you just want to praise god, go to church.

as to what jesus might do about the big issues of today, well, that is up for debate now isnt it?

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Hey; you made me laugh! Seriously, though; I've been lurking around these forums for quite a while, and even I haven't had the courage to start a thread. If you start a religious thread... well, then you're asking for it. All my old religious thread back-up buddies have long ceased to be. I pride you for your courage, though.

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I have to admit, that's pretty funny. :)

Hey; you made me laugh!

That was the first thing that came to mind when I read this. :D

Trilby63;12061053']Well that's the thing ain't it. If ya don't invoke it ya can't claim it, can you?

I can. But only cos I'm infallible.

Gets http://www.nearlygood.com/smilies/popcorn.gif and some http://www.nearlygood.com/smilies/pepsi542.gif and goes here http://www.nearlygood.com/smilies/scared.gif to watch the show.

I can. But only cos I'm infallible.

Of course. You just invoked infallibility

Ok hopefully I got your attention


What my post is about is the fact that I'm disgusted at all this opposition. Why do we feel like we need to force our beliefs on everyone else....that goes for christian, agnostic, and atheists or anything in between. I personally am rather upset with christians who try to force things onto other people. Christ called for us to speak the word and that some would reject it. So if they reject it then why do we still fight with them. Look I love everyone...I want everyone to get along and I am sick and tired of this crap. Just for the record christians are not all judgmental and exclusive. I personally try to treat everyone equal and help anyone I can because it's what Christ would've done. He would've have agreed with abortion or similar hot issues of today but he certainly wouldn't have condemed them as many of my fellow christians tend to do. Ok I'm done....flame me if you must I just had to get my frustration at this fourm out.

Well,you're off to a flying start.
Religious threads are possibly the most grating things on NSG-they're usually about Jews,Christians or Muslims,and their flaws,and you get hot-headed bigots on all sides.
But this is a forum.
You discuss on forums.You argue on forums.That is the way it has been since the dawn of time,and it shall always be the way.You cannot change the way of Max Barry.
Would Christ have agreed or condemned abortion?
Argue away,my friend.
....Welcome to NSG.

BUMP

I realize my first post here wasn't very well thought out....and for one thing I'm not a noob here. I've been on Nationstates longer than most of you...this just happens to be a new nation as my first one was lost. I've been on NS since feburary of 2004, but enough of that. My spelling is horrible I know and yes I meant that Christ wouldn't have agreed with abortion but I also meant that he would not have condemed the people who did it. I realize also that this is a debate forum. I just get upset with people who try to force their beliefs on others. What I believe as a christian is that the problem is in absolute truth and we believe in it and atheists don't. I do not have a problem with the disagreement. At any rate my whole point with this thread is simply to repair this view of Christians as people of hate and discrimination.

also to whoever was talking about courage....I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have no fear of persecution and ridicule.


again I know I can't spell so make fun if you must

What my post is about is the fact that I'm disgusted at all this opposition. Why do we feel like we need to force our beliefs on everyone else....that goes for christian, agnostic, and atheists or anything in between. I personally am rather upset with christians who try to force things onto other people. Christ called for us to speak the word and that some would reject it. So if they reject it then why do we still fight with them. Look I love everyone...I want everyone to get along and I am sick and tired of this crap. Just for the record christians are not all judgmental and exclusive. I personally try to treat everyone equal and help anyone I can because it's what Christ would've done. He wouldn't have have agreed with abortion or similar hot issues of today but he certainly wouldn't have condemed them as many of my fellow christians tend to do. Ok I'm done....flame me if you must I just had to get my frustration at this fourm out.
I agree.

(European Catholic)

did you notice that you are on a debate forum? thats what we DO here. religion is as much up for discussion as any other topic.

when you are asking people's opinions, you get them. if you just want to praise god, go to church.
I doubt he wishes there to be no criticism. He probably just wants intelligent criticism.

Which is in contrast to the outright bigotry displayed by so many people here against religion, especially Christianity and Islam.

To be honest I want the bigotry of both, peoples of religion and those of atheist views to end. I am ok with intelligent discussion...but the "Follow Christ or burn in hell" or the "Peoples of faith are ignorant a**holes" that stuff is what I would like to see end. That being said....I am also probably a much more liberal Christian than some. I view myself as slightly leftist especially when it comes to economics.

....and for one thing I'm not a noob here. I've been on Nationstates longer than most of you...I've been on NS since feburary of 2004,

Oh, so you are not new. Been here for a whole two years. Longer than most of us. OK

My spelling is horrible

So is mine but have you ever heard of spell check? You can cut and paste into MSWord, spell check, then cut and paste back. I do it often, so don't use that as an excuse. :mad:

... I meant that Christ wouldn't have agreed with abortion but I also meant that he would not have condemed the people who did it.

Say what you mean and mean what you say.

I realize also that this is a debate forum. I just get upset with people who try to force their beliefs on others.

If you know it is a debate, or arguement, then deal with that. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion even if they don't agree with your viewpoint. Also, no one can "force their beliefs on others" although I know a lot of Christians and others who try to do so in the name of religion.

I do not have a problem with the disagreement.

Your OP shows you do have a problem with disagreement. If you didn't you would never have posted it.

again I know I can't spell so make fun if you must

Again spell check. Oh, and I was to lazy to run this through spell check so please don't make fun of my spellin. :D

OK, it seems nationstates ate my post =\ Try try try try again! :D

Ok hopefully I got your attention
Why do we feel like we need to force our beliefs on everyone else....


Well, part of the reason that some people do, is because they're taught that their religion is Right, and that non-followers are going to suffer eternally. They're also supposed to care for other people.

If you care for someone, how can you stand idly by as they send themselves to eternal torment? This isn't like allowing your friend to screw up something, in the hopes that it makes him wiser... This isn't a lesson they're going to learn from, they're going to be tortured forever!

That sort of thing (should) be powerfully motivational. I don't much care for Jehovahs witnesses coming 'round my house, etc... But at least they're out there doing what is moral(in their eyes). Trying to save the eternal souls of as many people as possible. There are no real higher callings than that IMO.

That said, I'm an atheist :p I don't think that anyone's going to burn in any hell whatsoever. I'll talk about my atheism to one of my religiously inclined friends, but I don't bother preaching to him. He's free to do whatever he wants in his life, and if the peaceful following of his religion makes him happy, than hurray. I'd rather he was atheist, "but as the philosopher Jagger once said, 'You can't always get what you want.'"

I think the last poster explained it well:


Many religious people have the understanding that other people are ignorant and suffering because they aren't aware of their own religious beliefs that they have come to believe to be correct ideas about the universe.


If you had a friend who didn't think getting involved in a gang was dangerous wouldn't you try to dissuade him otherwise, even if he didn't bring up the topic?