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what. that such ornaments don't belong in the hands of kids? I do belive that.
Hey, it's time for a Junii specialty: strawmen. Junii knew very well what I was referring to but what happens? The subject is changed and my argument is "countered" based on a counter to an entirely different subject.

Nobody in this thread does. You thought I was saying you did, I was not. Now we can all be happy :)

I'm replying to Pantless...

That is irrelevant because you didn't know about that. You still asserted that he was right just because he was a pastor, and you are still doing it while defending it with knowledge you learned after the fact.

Hey, it's time for a Junii specialty: strawmen. Junii knew very well what I was referring to but what happens? The subject is changed and my argument is "countered" based on a counter to an entirely different subject.

err TPH, that was my argument all along. that those ornaments shouldn't be easily available to kids because of their pornographic nature.

I did ask if Spencer did check the age of their customers. (go and read my posts.)

it was replied that they don't.

the fact that everyone else (including you) were arguing other things (definition of Porn, what is porn, who decides what... etc) that my stance was apparently lost to you.

and considering that you equate defending an Idea to assuming the person is correct due to his title/job/etc... the fault lies not with me, but you.

those ornaments shouldn't be easily available to kids because of their pornographic nature.

They're only pornographic if you, personally, decide they constitute pornography. To the rest of the world they're just tacky plastic decorations. So why should your personal POV trump that of other people?

Oh no, a five-year-old can by a pornographic ornament that they probably don't understand with money they probably don't have! Call the National Guard!

Sex is a part of nature. I have no problem with a five-year-old seeing or even buying one of these things. I honestly don't give a damn. It's a freaking lump of plastic moulded to look like to reindeer having sex (Animal Planet), or some snowmen doing each other.

Hey, come to think of it, five-year-olds can go on a PC and download gigs of porn movies! Shall we ban computers, too? Obviously, because psychotic Christian stormtroopers run everything over here.

They're only pornographic if you, personally, decide they constitute pornography. To the rest of the world they're just tacky plastic decorations. So why should your personal POV trump that of other people?
Did I say my POV trumps others? no.
Did I say that they were wrong to not think it Pornographic? no.
the fact that some people out there do deem it pornographic means "the Rest Of The World" doesn't agree with you.
Are you so afraid of differing views and opinions that you feel the need to constanly try to accuse the other of "shoving their ideals down your throat?" I didn't think so before...

Did I say my POV trumps others? no.
Did I say that they were wrong to not think it Pornographic? no.
the fact that some people out there do deem it pornographic means "the Rest Of The World" doesn't agree with you.
Are you so afraid of differing views and opinions that you feel the need to constanly try to detract from the orignal point just to make the claim that someone else is "Switching topics"? I didn't think so before...What is porn?

Donald duck never wears pants. Yet he clearly has naughty parts because he wears a towel wrapped around his waist when he comes out of the shower.

I demand that children be banned from viewing this "duck" porn.

Oh no, a five-year-old can by a pornographic ornament that they probably don't understand with money they probably don't have! Call the National Guard!

Sex is a part of nature. I have no problem with a five-year-old seeing or even buying one of these things. I honestly don't give a damn. It's a freaking lump of plastic moulded to look like to reindeer having sex (Animal Planet), or some snowmen doing each other.

Hey, come to think of it, five-year-olds can go on a PC and download gigs of porn movies! Shall we ban computers, too? Obviously, because psychotic Christian stormtroopers run everything over here.
One small thing: rape is also a part of nature.
Donald duck never wears pants. Yet he clearly has naughty parts because he wears a towel wrapped around his waist when he comes out of the shower.

I demand that children be banned from viewing this "duck" porn.

I'm soooo hot for that duck
*fap fap fap fap fap fap*

Usually, I think these kind of protests are weird, but after seeing that elf........ this protest is officially justified.

Donald duck never wears pants. Yet he clearly has naughty parts because he wears a towel wrapped around his waist when he comes out of the shower.

I demand that children be banned from viewing this "duck" porn.

http://happycarpenter.blogs.com/the_happy_carpenter/images/donald_duck_female_on_top_ride.jpg
agreed! :D

http://happycarpenter.blogs.com/the_happy_carpenter/images/donald_duck_female_on_top_ride.jpg
agreed! :D

That is awesome ,I actually laughed out loud.

What is porn?
Undoubtedly, Junii knows it when s/he sees it, and will pass along that information when it's necessary for us to know.

Honestly how many 5 year olds buy these things for their brothers or sisters?

In every single spencer's I've been there are rules of buying unaccompanied.

Also, how bad of a parent are you if you can't control your 5 year old from going into a store. Why is such a bad parent having babies in the first place?

Undoubtedly, Junii knows it when s/he sees it, and will pass along that information when it's necessary for us to know.

sorry Nazz, I can only give MY definition of Porn. and I did... well basically.

but if you have no definition for yourself...

But here's world reference.com's definition (http://www.wordreference.com/definition/porn).

and here's Dictionary.com's definition (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/porn).

Well, if they're anatomically correct, they fall under the rubric of porn...Spencer's isn't known for selling things because they're art. They sell crass or kitschy stuff. If it represents a sexual reference, it shouldn't be sold where minors can see it -- that's not my morality, that's the law, and while I may not agree, the protestors (who are likely not protesting becuase they are in favor of the law but because militant Christians never seem to feel righteous unless they can demonstrate their faith...vociferously and in front of cameras) have a point.

So do you consider medical books porn because they have anatomically correct drawings in them?

sorry Nazz, I can only give MY definition of Porn. and I did... well basically.

but if you have no definition for yourself...

But here's world reference.com's definition (http://www.wordreference.com/definition/porn).

and here's Dictionary.com's definition (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/porn).

Their definitions include the wish to "Stimulate sexual desire" If anyone thinks that reindeer, even animated ones are really intended to stimulate sexual desire rather then humor they may want to be evaluated

Their definitions include the wish to "Stimulate sexual desire" If anyone thinks that reindeer, even animated ones are really intended to stimulate sexual desire rather then humor they may want to be evaluated

some people get aroused by Feces, and yes, some by animals humping each other... the possiblity of someone also being aroused by a woman giving Frosty a blowjob or a dominatrix/teddy wearing Mrs. North Pole is there.

some people get aroused by Feces, and yes, some by animals humping each other... the possiblity of someone also being aroused by a woman giving Frosty a blowjob or a dominatrix/teddy wearing Mrs. North Pole is there.

So what you are getting at is everything is porn and should be banned? just because people out there could find it erotic?

The intent of the manufacture of these is fairly clear, far edge humor. The fact that someone COULD find them erotic is silly someone could find anything erotic therefor it would have to be classified as porn.

That being said the deffninitions from your post "n : creative activity (writing or pictures or films etc.) of no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire"
These do have other value, humor

The definition says nothing about what others can or can not get turned on by

sorry Nazz, I can only give MY definition of Porn. and I did... well basically.

but if you have no definition for yourself...

But here's world reference.com's definition (http://www.wordreference.com/definition/porn).

and here's Dictionary.com's definition (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/porn).

If you're talking about that mumbo-jumbo you posted ages and ages past, that's as much a definition as the noises coming out of my ass. But here's your chance--post, as a reply to this, your definition as clearly and as carefully as you can, and then watch us rip it to shreds, as we have throughout this thread.

Spencer's is a tacky place full of dumb shit anyway. However, I think even Christ would give a snicker at a cock-wielding snowman.

What I wonder is, if these people are so worried about impressionable children buying naughty toys, where are they when their kids are shopping? Last I checked, large malls weren't the safest place to let your nine year old run wild with a fifty.

Calling these things pornography is jackassery. Goofy and inappropriate for children? Probably, but if a pair of poorly casted plastic reindeer, frozen forever in midhump, is going to turn you into a sexual deviant or in any way affects your life, you're doomed to failure and misery anyway.

So what you are getting at is everything is porn and should be banned? just because people out there could find it erotic?

The intent of the manufacture of these is fairly clear, far edge humor. The fact that someone COULD find them erotic is silly someone could find anything erotic therefor it would have to be classified as porn.

That being said the deffninitions from your post "n : creative activity (writing or pictures or films etc.) of no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire"
These do have other value, humor

The definition says nothing about what others can or can not get turned on byso if it's Humor, then it's ok? is that what you're saying?

Spencer's is a tacky place full of dumb shit anyway. However, I think even Christ would give a snicker at a cock-wielding snowman.

What I wonder is, if these people are so worried about impressionable children buying naughty toys, where are they when their kids are shopping? Last I checked, large malls weren't the safest place to let your nine year old run wild with a fifty.

Calling these things pornography is jackassery. Goofy and inappropriate for children? Probably, but if a pair of poorly casted plastic reindeer, frozen forever in midhump, is going to turn you into a sexual deviant or in any way affects your life, you're doomed to failure and misery anyway.
Are you suggesting that porn would turn you into a sexual deviant? Becausethat sir is heresy!
so if it's Humor, then it's ok? is that what you're saying?

Deja vu......

If you're talking about that mumbo-jumbo you posted ages and ages past, that's as much a definition as the noises coming out of my ass. But here's your chance--post, as a reply to this, your definition as clearly and as carefully as you can, and then watch us rip it to shreds, as we have throughout this thread.

LOL... you people don't even know what I'm arguing against. I've stated where I stand on the topic of this thread and watched as you and others try to shotgun everything but still missed by stance and my points. why should I repeat myself when my points and my stance is there.

You and others attacked definitions, attacked terms, you even attacked me personally. Heck, TPH thought I was arguing something so totally different that he accused me of changing the subject. :rolleyes:

sorry Nazz, but so far, all you did was muddy the waters with random attacks and say "See, we won!"

Deja vu......

some one else brought up the point. not me. *shrugs*

EDIT: Perhaps a rewording of the question.

IS HUMOR AND PORN MUTUALLY EXSCLUSIVE?

Can something be both Humorous and Pornographic at the same time?

So far, people refuted the comment "it's Pornography" with "its not, it's humor" as if to say it HAS to be one or the other.

some one else brought up the point. not me. *shrugs*

The thread's just on it's second lap.

some one else brought up the point. not me. *shrugs*

EDIT: Perhaps a rewording of the question.

IS HUMOR AND PORN MUTUALLY EXSCLUSIVE?

Can something be both Humorous and Pornographic at the same time?

So far, people refuted the comment "it's Pornography" with "its not, it's humor" as if to say it HAS to be one or the other.

No but the definitions provided in the dictionary say that if it has any other value that it is not porn

Maybe that is a problem in the definitions but it is no longer pornagraphy if it was intended and is designed to be humor

No but the definitions provided in the dictionary say that if it has any other value that it is not porn

which goes back to my question, if a movie that has all the scenes that would qualify it as pornography (full penetration sex, complete and total nudity that serve no other purpose but to arouse.) yet the script is written to be humorous like say... American Pie, would the humor then remove it's porn status? Seems like you just said it did.

Maybe that is a problem in the definitions but it is no longer pornagraphy if it was intended and is designed to be humor

My issue with pornography is that it can be combined with any other genre, humor, drama, Sci fi/fantasy, etc. and one of my problems that I found here is that people think it has to be one or the other. It can be Funny Porn, Dramatic Porn, even Horror Porn is possible, I guess that's where some snuff films may belong.

Just because it's funny, even if it's not intended to be porn, it still can fall into the line of Pornography.

Now for those confused by this post.

I never stated that Spencers should NOT sell their ornaments.
I never stated that Spencers should completely hide them. (I said they shouldn't be easily accessable to minors.)
I said Spencers should (not have to, SHOULD) take some effort to monitor the age of their customers. Most adult themed stores do make some effort.
I said Mr Thompson can go ahead and sue. I never said he'll win.

I will change my stance on this. Those ornaments are not Porn. but I will maintain that they are innappropriate for children and still should not be easliy accessable to children.

LOL... you people don't even know what I'm arguing against. I've stated where I stand on the topic of this thread and watched as you and others try to shotgun everything but still missed by stance and my points.

Every time we argue against your stance and point, you go down some tangent then jump back onto the first track, or a new one, when we counter that point.

If you think we missed your stance and point, start rereading from the first page or FINALLY make clear what your stance and point is.

Why are they making a big deal out of this now. These joke shops have been around for ever.

A bunch of Christian teens in Florida have decided to protest against anatomically correct Christmas ornaments being sold in Spencer gift shops. Now the law in Florida states that porn cannot be displayed openly where children shop, but is a snowman with a penis or breasts really porn?

Anyhoo, the link contains a video clip of the teens singing about "Pornaments".

http://www.wftv.com/irresistible/10496001/detail.html

Subliminal messages in Christmas cartoons (http://thinknasty.ytmnd.com/) made us perverted for the holiday! :eek: :p

a striptease is a Seductive dance. a flowing movement that emphasises sex.

an artfully done photograph/sculpture/painting doesn't do that.


No, photographs/sculpture/paintings don't dance. That is true. But if you think that artfully done photographs/sculpture/paintings don't sometimes emphasize sex, then you are dead wrong.

A great deal of the most excellent art in history specifically emphasizes sex and sexuality. Even that Sister Wendy baggage acknowledges this. And she's a bonafide catholic nun.

Even the holy bibel has erotic poetry in it.

I think we're all missing one important, evil, and hidden cancer among all of society. Animals are anitomically correct, and they're out in public blatantly displaying their...their private areas!

Clearly something needs to be done in order to protect children from this corrupting force. I propose that all animals have their...privates removed. This way, children can be protected from public displays of...dare I say? Sex...

In fact, it's clearly the Christian thing to do: mutilating pets for the sake of protecting innocent virgin eyes. ;)

:mad: And i thought this would be about some good christians protesting against the commercialisation of christmas. No, its just some stupid kids being used to try and christianify the american market...

Yes! This is because freedom of speech is only applicable when minors can't see it! The constution does not protect people's right to sell things that are not family friendly!

Yay for the first amendment!

i nearly spat my wine all over my computer when those retards started to sing. hahahahahahahhahaha :D

I think we're all missing one important, evil, and hidden cancer among all of society. Animals are anitomically correct, and they're out in public blatantly displaying their...their private areas!

Clearly something needs to be done in order to protect children from this corrupting force. I propose that all animals have their...privates removed. This way, children can be protected from public displays of...dare I say? Sex...

In fact, it's clearly the Christian thing to do: mutilating pets for the sake of protecting innocent virgin eyes. ;)

that is the most ridiculous suggestion i have ever heard. totally stupid.



they should have to wear pants.

not only will they sell them to 5 year olds, but they even answer questions about them......

just thought you guys might wanna know.

not only will they sell them to 5 year olds, but they even answer questions about them......

just thought you guys might wanna know.

So, is your kid scarred for life, now? :D

not only will they sell them to 5 year olds, but they even answer questions about them......

just thought you guys might wanna know.

OH MY GOD! Are you serious?!?!?! These ebil sinners not only sell porn tree decorations to little children, but also answer their questions about the "pornaments"??!?!? OH MY GOD! Spencer's must be BURNED! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!! :sniper: :mp5: :gundge: :mad: :sniper: :mp5: :upyours:

Or, of course, there is a possibility that parents just shouldn't let their 5 year old kids into a store full of stuff that's far over their heads, and perhaps everyone else should just grow up. :rolleyes:

So, is your kid scarred for life, now? :D

nope, she just went in and said

"I am looking for the naked elf for my Christmas Tree"

and they took her right to it.

nope, she just went in and said

"I am looking for the naked elf for my Christmas Tree"

and they took her right to it.

Naked elves? THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!

Out of curiosity though, how did you react to that? 0.o

nope, she just went in and said

"I am looking for the naked elf for my Christmas Tree"

and they took her right to it.

So... if she went in and said "I'm looking for an AK-47 and a kilo of pure Colombian cocaine", do you think they would do it if she had the money?

Naked elves? THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!

Out of curiosity though, how did you react to that? 0.o

I didn't go in with her, I wanted to see if they would sell it to her without a parent there.

So... if she went in and said "I'm looking for an AK-47 and a kilo of pure Colombian cocaine", do you think they would do it if she had the money?

I doubt it, if they were selling those illegally I am pretty sure they would be suspicious of her......if they sold that to her they would be pretty stupid.

OH MY GOD! Are you serious?!?!?! These ebil sinners not only sell porn tree decorations to little children, but also answer their questions about the "pornaments"??!?!? OH MY GOD! Spencer's must be BURNED! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!! :sniper: :mp5: :gundge: :mad: :sniper: :mp5: :upyours:

Or, of course, there is a possibility that parents just shouldn't let their 5 year old kids into a store full of stuff that's far over their heads, and perhaps everyone else should just grow up. :rolleyes:

Nah, let's go with the first one. *firebombs Spencer's*

not only will they sell them to 5 year olds, but they even answer questions about them......

just thought you guys might wanna know.

*shakes head.*

*wonders what kind of questions she asked and what kind of answers she gotten.*

not only will they sell them to 5 year olds, but they even answer questions about them......

just thought you guys might wanna know.

Like what questions? I mean, the five year old could be asking a multitude of things. For example: 'how much does this cost'?


Would that be wrong?

Nah, let's go with the first one. *firebombs Spencer's*

Wow, hello there! Welcome to NSG! (And no, I am never serious when you see a n00bish post like that :))

And I really don't see what is so bad about nakedness. We're naked when we're born, we run around naked for quite abit of our early years, and most of us are naked when we bathe. Nudity =/= sex.

And naked elves/snowmen/Santas? Whatever.

Wow, hello there! Welcome to NSG! (And no, I am never serious when you see a n00bish post like that :))
Welcome to NSG?! WELCOME TO THIS!!!
*douses self in gasoline, fires self at Darknovae with a trebuchet*
:D
And I really don't see what is so bad about nakedness. We're naked when we're born, we run around naked for quite abit of our early years, and most of us are naked when we bathe. Nudity =/= sex.
Just our early years?

And naked elves/snowmen/Santas? Whatever.
Naked elves/snowmen/Santas = hawt

*shakes head.*

*wonders what kind of questions she asked and what kind of answers she gotten.*

"why is he wearing a sock?"

"do you think he is circumsized?"

"what are those deer doing?"

"are those snow people married?"

"do you have these at your house?"

I sent in a tape recorder, I had no idea she would ask anything......she said it was funny.

We are giving away the ornament at a party Saturday, as a gag gift.

Wow, hello there! Welcome to NSG! (And no, I am never serious when you see a n00bish post like that :))
*lights self on fire, fires self at Pancake with a trebuchet.*

And I really don't see what is so bad about nakedness. We're naked when we're born, we run around naked for quite abit of our early years, and most of us are naked when we bathe. Nudity =/= sex.

And naked elves/snowmen/Santas? Whatever.[/QUOTE]

Naked elves/snowmen/Santas? That = hawt.

Wow, hello there! Welcome to NSG! (And no, I am never serious when you see a n00bish post like that :))
*sets self on fire, launches self at Darknovae with a trebuchet*
And naked elves/snowmen/Santas? Whatever.

Those are pretty hot.

"why is he wearing a sock?"

"do you think he is circumsized?"

"what are those deer doing?"

"are those snow people married?"

"do you have these at your house?"

I sent in a tape recorder, I had no idea she would ask anything......she said it was funny.

We are giving away the ornament at a party Saturday, as a gag gift.

:D I love your daughter. :D

So she actually bought it!?? :eek: Odd.

*sets self on fire, launches self at Darknovae with a trebuchet*


Those are pretty hot.

:eek: *takes shelter* LNI, is that you!?!?!?!? :eek: :fluffle:

Oh, and :p

:D I love your daughter. :D

So she actually bought it!?? :eek: Odd.

she thought it was funny.

she thought it was funny.

Ahh, that would never have happened where I live. :D It is funny...

:eek: *takes shelter* LNI, is that you!?!?!?!? :eek: :fluffle:
Maybe it is... maybe it isn't. (it is)

Oh, and :p
:fluffle:

Maybe it is... maybe it isn't. (it is)


:fluffle:

LNI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Are you using a puppet, or did you incur the wrath of t3h Mods? o.o

"why is he wearing a sock?"

"do you think he is circumsized?"

"what are those deer doing?"

"are those snow people married?"

"do you have these at your house?"

I sent in a tape recorder, I had no idea she would ask anything......she said it was funny.

We are giving away the ornament at a party Saturday, as a gag gift.

If anything, that really speaks more to you and your child raising than the store.

But if you are cool about telling a five year old about genital mutilation, and the use of said genitals thereof, that's cool. But I don't think you are in a position to judge the ornament store afterwards.

LNI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Are you using a puppet, or did you incur the wrath of t3h Mods? o.o

I incurred the wrath of the mods... until about an hour from now.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=510233
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=510228

Shh... :D

If anything, that really speaks more to you and your child raising than the store.

But if you are cool about telling a five year old about genital mutilation, and the use of said genitals thereof, that's cool. But I don't think you are in a position to judge the ornament store afterwards.

:confused:

Well, that's entertainment...

If anything, that really speaks more to you and your child raising than the store.

But if you are cool about telling a five year old about genital mutilation, and the use of said genitals thereof, that's cool. But I don't think you are in a position to judge the ornament store afterwards.

Remember, this is Smunkee's daughter we're talking about. She probably read about it in Grey's Anatomy. :p

then again, she does have a baby brother, she probably asked about the procedure when they did it to him.

If anything, that really speaks more to you and your child raising than the store.

But if you are cool about telling a five year old about genital mutilation, and the use of said genitals thereof, that's cool. But I don't think you are in a position to judge the ornament store afterwards.

uh.....we read the Bible, it discusses that, she asked, I answered.

I don't see a problem.

EDIT: I didn't ever say anything about the store......what judgment do you think I am passing here?

Remember, this is Smunkee's daughter we're talking about. She probably read about it in Grey's Anatomy. :p

then again, she does have a baby brother, she probably asked about the procedure when they did it to him.

I have 2 girls, no boys, boys are evil.

uh.....we read the Bible, it discusses that, she asked, I answered.

I don't see a problem.

I think it's a good thing. *:fluffle:s Smunkee*

I have 2 girls, no boys, boys are evil.

sorry.. I thought the youngest was a boy. :headbang:

I tender to her my sincere apologies.

I have 2 girls, no boys, boys are evil.

*is hurt*

sorry.. I thought the youngest was a boy. :headbang:

I tender to her my sincere apologies.

she's the borg.

;)

she has been asking lately when she gets her penis........I am not sure what to do about that, except explain that she is a girl and if she wants a penis she probably has to be a grown up before they will give her one.

*is hurt*

I got bit by one yesterday, as soon as it heals I will probably forgive your gender.

she's the borg.

;)

she has been asking lately when she gets her penis........I am not sure what to do about that, except explain that she is a girl and if she wants a penis she probably has to be a grown up before they will give her one.

ROFLMFAO!!!!

I got bit by one yesterday, as soon as it heals I will probably forgive your gender.

What a jerk. *punches him in the name of males everywhere*

What a jerk. *punches him in the name of males everywhere*

You never anwered me question. *pokes*

:D News from the USA is just as funny as comedy from the USA.

she's the borg.

;)

she has been asking lately when she gets her penis........I am not sure what to do about that, except explain that she is a girl and if she wants a penis she probably has to be a grown up before they will give her one.

So is she going to change her name to Pete?

uh.....we read the Bible, it discusses that, she asked, I answered.

I don't see a problem.

EDIT: I didn't ever say anything about the store......what judgment do you think I am passing here?

Stop.

The candy cane representation of the penis is 'porny' - and therefore evil - but you still have no problem with telling your five year old that men used to chop their foreskins off because god told them to.

You're candid when it suits you, and prudish other times.

You never anwered me question. *pokes*
Huh? Damn, I totally posted an answer. Jolt is f*cking up for me. I had to enter that first reply to you, like, 5 times.
LNI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Are you using a puppet, or did you incur the wrath of t3h Mods? o.o

I incurred the wrath of the mods, for a day.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=510233
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=510228

Look at the deleted posts.

Stop.

The candy cane representation of the penis is 'porny' - and therefore evil - but you still have no problem with telling your five year old that men used to chop their foreskins off because god told them to.

You're candid when it suits you, and prudish other times.

I am candid when it's information, I don't think that letting 5 year olds watch porn has the same amount of value as answering their questions when they ask.

I never said porn is evil, you assume that.

I said that I think that some of the ornaments cross the line and depending on the wording of the law they might be a problem.

You never anwered me question. *pokes*

I incurred the wrath of teh moderators, and LNI is banned for... 20 more minutes. *sigh*

I was just stretching the frames of this racist's threads so that people wouldn't feed 'im... I didn't even get a warning.

I said that I think that some of the ornaments cross the line and depending on the wording of the law they might be a problem.

A line in your head that you have arbitrarily drawn in respect of genitals. Not to mention that there were no genitals ever exposed in the so called ornaments.

I incurred the wrath of teh moderators, and LNI is banned for... 20 more minutes. *sigh*

I was just stretching the frames of this racist's threads so that people wouldn't feed 'im... I didn't even get a warning.

You realize that this is a deleteable offence. Posting while banned &c.

A line in your head that you have arbitrarily drawn in respect of genitals. Not to mention that there were no genitals ever exposed in the so called ornaments.

what about BJ frosty, or the humping reindeer. how do you know Genitals aren't shown on those?

You realize that this is a deleteable offence. Posting while banned &c.

O RLY? Are you going to report me?

O RLY? Are you going to report me?

No. I don't do that kind of thing. I'm just giving you a heads up.

No. I don't do that kind of thing. I'm just giving you a heads up.

Really, I haven't done anything wrong, I'm even censoring myself for once (:D), so I think I should be fine.

If I get the DEAT, well, maybe I need a break from NS anyways. I was getting tired of "Liberated New Ireland" as it was. It's a clunky, annoying name. Too long.

And, I don't think it matters whether you reported me or not. I tried to post something a while ago, and it said "will be viewable once approved by a moderator", so they probably already know that I was posting while banned.

And, I don't think it matters whether you reported me or not. I tried to post something a while ago, and it said "will be viewable once approved by a moderator", so they probably already know that I was posting while banned.that's a bug, check the MOD forums about it.

A line in your head that you have arbitrarily drawn in respect of genitals. Not to mention that there were no genitals ever exposed in the so called ornaments.

uh, no. I don't have a problem with the "genitals".

how much more are you going to assume in order to make your "point"?

that's a bug, check the MOD forums about it.

Hmm. Seems to be happening randomly.

Well, that's typical Jolt for ye. :D

Oh my God! Spencer's sells perverted items! (http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/index.html?view=1153692674158.jpg)

In other news, the sky is blue! :eek:

A bunch of Christian teens in Florida have decided to protest against anatomically correct Christmas ornaments being sold in Spencer gift shops.


Ugh. If you oppose something, don't buy it and persuade as many people as you can not to buy it. Or boycott the store.

It figures that moron Jack Thompson is involved. :rolleyes:

It figures that moron Jack Thompson is involved. :rolleyes:

What is it, Move-All-Morons-to-Florida day?

What is it, Move-All-Morons-to-Florida day?

I remember that only 10 years ago, the movememnts in Florida were described as thus:

"Florida: Where Cubans come to live and Jews come to die"

Now, it seems a bunch of morons have sprang up everywhere and ruining it.

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Now if they had Jesus, Mary and Joseph-type decorations that would be a tad more offensive...

Works for me. Let the little 'uns work out the miracle of immaculate conception for themselves :p

Once again Christians have to go and ruin it for everybody, you know one day i would like to read the news or go somewhere and not hear about Christians, just once. Thats all.

Don't you believe it. Spencer Gifts has been operating since I was a teen, and selling all the same stuff.

Don't these folks have anything better to do than piss and moan about other people? If you don't think it's appropriate, DON'T SHOP THERE.

:-p I outgrew Spencer Gifts, but honestly... how can a snowman be a depiction of anatomical correctness? What, he's got a second carrot?

Because I know I regularly see 5 year olds browsing Spencer's. It's fucking Spencer's - it's Hot Topic for perverts and weirdos.

I love that store. :)

Don't you believe it. Spencer Gifts has been operating since I was a teen, and selling all the same stuff.

Don't these folks have anything better to do than piss and moan about other people? If you don't think it's appropriate, DON'T SHOP THERE.

:-p I outgrew Spencer Gifts, but honestly... how can a snowman be a depiction of anatomical correctness? What, he's got a second carrot?

And two more lumps of coal. :)

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... how can a snowman be a depiction of anatomical correctness? What, he's got a second carrot?

All snowmen are anatomically correct. There isn't a lot to show at that temperature ...

All snowmen are anatomically correct. There isn't a lot to show at that temperature ...

QFT!

a striptease is a Seductive dance. a flowing movement that emphasises sex.

an artfully done photograph/sculpture/painting doesn't do that.

Dream of the Fisherman's Wife. Point. Set. Match.

These christian are wrong. Sexophobics.
Have sex or don't or just don't use porn but don't protest it makes you look intolerant and dumb.
As a friendly warning.
These protestands confirms that christians are platonic sexophobics and against pornography just like the steriotype rabid feminist.
It's just anatomically correct dolls and there is no warm in a phallus.
The kids will see it like "that" anyway.

I seriously think it's just as bad as hatecrime to protest against the right of other people to sell what anyone can easily ignore anyway.

Pathetic Christians. Making "tsk" sounds, it could never happen here in sweden.America.

This is just about the third or foruth stupidest thing I have ever seen.

This is just about the third or foruth stupidest thing I have ever seen.

Is that a challenge?

Is that a challenge?

Umm... If you want it to be.

This is just about the third or foruth stupidest thing I have ever seen.

You keep a list??
Beyond a certain point, it's best to just take a deep breath and try to think of something else. "Against stupidity, the Gods themselves contend in vain."

So taking porn out of a shop which kids go into is now an excuse to pick on christians? Wow....

So taking porn out of a shop which kids go into is now an excuse to pick on christians? Wow....

Am I the only person that has ever been to Florida? I don't see these people protesting every single tourist trap shop in the state because they almost all have the equally pornographic post cards and pens.

They need to get the fuck over it and keep their self-righteous selves out of a store that specializes in this kind of dirty humor.


If you don't want to see animals humping, don't visit a zoo during mating season. If you don't want to see tasteless novelty products, don't go to Spencer's.

A bunch of Christian teens in Florida have decided to protest against anatomically correct Christmas ornaments being sold in Spencer gift shops. Now the law in Florida states that porn cannot be displayed openly where children shop, but is a snowman with a penis or breasts really porn?
As they have gone out of their way to stick a human body under an elf face, yes, it is porn.

Am I the only person that has ever been to Florida? I don't see these people protesting every single tourist trap shop in the state because they almost all have the equally pornographic post cards and pens.

They need to get the fuck over it and keep their self-righteous selves out of a store that specializes in this kind of dirty humor.


If you don't want to see animals humping, don't visit a zoo during mating season. If you don't want to see tasteless novelty products, don't go to Spencer's.

I don't see how that is an argument. "if you don't like child porn, don't go on child porn websites and everything will be allright". I don't know what spencers is like but if it is a family shop where kids go into it all the time they will be exposed to porn. Now like it or not, most of the people in America will probably not want their kids looking at porn so it isn't that irational to protest against it.

Infact since when was anyone against protest? How else can people voice their opinions?

hey JuNii,

Just curious. You said earlier, I believe, that nude pictures not showing the act of sex didn't constitute porn. As I recall from my younger days that describes all the pictures in Playboy. Does that mean Playboy is not Porn?

As they have gone out of their way to stick a human body under an elf face, yes, it is porn.

So elves should have - what? the bodies of Elk? Lobsters? Emus? under their faces?

These christian are wrong. Sexophobics.
Have sex or don't or just don't use porn but don't protest it makes you look intolerant and dumb.
As a friendly warning.
These protestands confirms that christians are platonic sexophobics and against pornography just like the steriotype rabid feminist.
It's just anatomically correct dolls and there is no warm in a phallus.
The kids will see it like "that" anyway.

I seriously think it's just as bad as hatecrime to protest against the right of other people to sell what anyone can easily ignore anyway.

Pathetic Christians. Making "tsk" sounds, it could never happen here in sweden.America.

Yes, this is why other Americans (such as I am) are mocking these idiots. Perhaps what doesn't happen in Sweden is open disagreements?

I don't see how that is an argument.

And I don't see how an innocuous piece of plastic shaped like an elf apparently wearing a sock over his erect member consitutes porn.

Guess we're just two ships passing in the night.

And I don't see how an innocuous piece of plastic shaped like an elf apparently wearing a sock over his erect member consitutes porn.

Guess we're just two ships passing in the night.

You may not, but a lot of America does.

So elves should have - what? the bodies of Elk? Lobsters? Emus? under their faces? Anything; but putting a specifically human body on it presents a specific message, and that message is, "porn."

Not saying it's a bad thing, but it is porn.

Anything; but putting a specifically human body on it presents a specific message, and that message is, "porn."

So you're saying that the human body is unwholesome?

So you're saying that the human body is unwholesome?
Nope.

So elves should have - what? the bodies of Elk? Lobsters? Emus? under their faces?

That is the best response ever.

Nope.

But you did say it is 'porn'. So then, is 'porn' unwholesome?

But you did say it is 'porn'. So then, is 'porn' unwholesome?
Unwholesome: unhealthful; deleterious to health or physical or moral well-being.

Nope.

Unwholesome: unhealthful; deleterious to health or physical or moral well-being.

Nope.

So, then what the hell is the problem?

Unwholesome: unhealthful; deleterious to health or physical or moral well-being.

Nope.

So what's your beef, then?

So, then what the hell is the problem?
I don't have a problem; do you?

It is porn, though. (I was just answering the OP's question.)

You may not, but a lot of America does.

Alot of Americans think an exposed breast is the downfall of society but think sex scenes without nudity are just great.

I don't have a problem; do you?

It is porn, though.

And you've already said that porn isn't unwholesome, so it follows then that there's nothing at all wrong with an elf having a human body, and therefore there's nothing to see here folks.

Move along - !

I don't know what spencers is

No argument you make from this point onward is valid.

Alot of Americans think an exposed breast is the downfall of society but think sex scenes without nudity are just great.

Not alot.

So what's your beef, then? Actually, I prefer bison. ;)

Not alot.

Oh, of course, that is why the FCC phone lines break down when a breast slips out but shows with non-nude sex scenes are everywhere.

And you've already said that porn isn't unwholesome, so it follows then that there's nothing at all wrong with an elf having a human body, and therefore there's nothing to see here folks.

Move along - !
Well, he asked if it was porn, I'm telling him it is. :)

I didn't say there's nothing wrong with it.

No argument you make from this point onward is valid.

Coming from the man who is somehow suprised that people would protest against kids being able to see porn. Even though 99% of parents probably don't want their kids looking at porn.

Coming from the man who is somehow suprised that people would protest against kids being able to see porn. Even though 99% of parents probably don't want their kids looking at porn.

Back on topic, please. This thread isn't about TPHs' surprise.

Oh, of course, that is why the FCC phone lines break down when a breast slips out but shows with non-nude sex scenes are everywhere.

The number of people that you need to crash a phone line is miniscual compared to the number of most parents in america.

Back on topic, please. This thread isn't about TPHs' surprise.

What i was discussing is about how weird it is that so many people are outraged about this protest.

The number of people that you need to crash a phone line is miniscual compared to the number of most parents in america.

That's a rather dubious observation - what are you attempting to illustrate?

What i was discussing is about how weird it is that so many people are outraged about this protest.

Because the protest is like claiming that an adult bookstore should stop selling porn because kids might walk in, and is thus completely insipid?

Coming from the man who is somehow suprised that people would protest against kids being able to see porn. Even though 99% of parents probably don't want their kids looking at porn.

You don't know what Spencer's is while what Spencer's is is a major point of the debate; you are done here.

You don't know what Spencer's is while what Spencer's is is a major point of the debate; you are done here.

I know that children are free to wonder around it in it. I know that the shop has pornographic items on display that children can see. Anything else about it is irellivant.

I know that children are free to wonder around it in it. I know that the shop has pornographic items on display that children can see. Anything else about it is irellivant.

Then we must ban bookstores. Children are free to wander around in there and they have the freaking Kama Sutra on display.

Then we must ban bookstores. Children are free to wander around in there and they have the freaking Kama Sutra on display.

Let's make it easier on ourselves and just put horse-blinkers

http://www.affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/Horse_with_blinders_small.jpg

on all the under-twelves. Problem solved.

Then we must ban bookstores. Children are free to wander around in there and they have the freaking Kama Sutra on display.

Let's not forget every movie store, ever. The obscuring page usually only covers the front, children are free to pick it up and look at the back!