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A four year old preschool student hugged a school aid and rubbed his face in her tits. The incident is on the kid's school record now. Personally I think they went kind of light on him. He should have to register as a sex offender under Megan's law.

http://www.kxxv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5785699

You're late, Smunkee beat you to it.

You're late, Smunkee beat you to it.

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not that anyone discussed it anyway, TFHR hijacked it to talk about himself and his own trolly-ness

Sure at four he probably thought "din dins".....fer fucks sake....

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not that anyone discussed it anyway, TFHR hijacked it to talk about himself and his own trolly-ness

Well at least you've got the satisfaction of being the first to report this. Congrats.

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not that anyone discussed it anyway, TFHR hijacked it to talk about himself and his own trolly-ness

and hes not caming back

Inappropriate behavior transcends age differences. He was justly punished for his gross sexual conduct with a teacher. Ignorance of the law does not allow one to commit a transgression, and the law was broken in this instance.

4-year-old sex offender? Are you serious? How perverted do they actually think 4-year-olds are? Up until I was half that age breasts were still my primary source of milk... Come on!

Lucky kids get all the action.

what I want to know is why the four your old was up to breast height in the first place

...and it looks like I will have allot of law suites soon:(

Lucky kids get all the action.

:D

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not that anyone discussed it anyway, TFHR hijacked it to talk about himself and his own trolly-ness

I told you to ignore him!! I told that to everyone else! But did they listen?

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo.

4-year-old sex offender? Are you serious? How perverted do they actually think 4-year-olds are? Up until I was half that age breasts were still my primary source of milk... Come on!

If you break a law, you get punished for it. It's as simple as that. We can't have people saying, "But I didn't know that it was illegal to rub my face in a woman's breasts!"

Inappropriate behavior transcends age differences. He was justly punished for his gross sexual conduct with a teacher. Ignorance of the law does not allow one to commit a transgression, and the law was broken in this instance.
Do you have no common sense? Four year old babies biologically don't even have any sex drive, and don't even know what a pair of tits are, except something that serves drinks.

If you break a law, you get punished for it. It's as simple as that. We can't have people saying, "But I didn't know that it was illegal to rub my face in a woman's breasts!"

He's 4!!
He probably doesn't even know what tits are,he might still see them as a source of a drink,I doubt he has much of a sex drive.A 4 year old on the sex offenders list?This is about as bad as that 12 year old kid who got arrested for going into his gran's house and opening his Xmas presents early.

Do you have no common sense? Four year old babies biologically don't even have any sex drive, and don't even know what a pair of tits are, except something that serves drinks.

Man you are so right, RuleCaucasia you are one cruel minded person, hes 4 bloody years old, as if he knew what he was doing!

If you break a law, you get punished for it. It's as simple as that. We can't have people saying, "But I didn't know that it was illegal to rub my face in a woman's breasts!"

What better way to teach kids basic lessons of social conduct than a criminal record and jail time, am I right? Maybe we should start arresting kids for indecent exposure if they don't wear enough clothes at the beach...

What better way to teach kids basic lessons of social conduct than a criminal record and jail time, am I right? Maybe we should start arresting kids for indecent exposure if they don't wear enough clothes at the beach...

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What better way to teach kids basic lessons of social conduct than a criminal record and jail time, am I right? Maybe we should start arresting kids for indecent exposure if they don't wear enough clothes at the beach...

Maybe we should. You know, for their own good. What if a kid toucher is nearby staring at them?

Delesa;12060414']Man you are so right, RuleCaucasia you are one cruel minded person, hes 4 bloody years old, as if he knew what he was doing!

He did not know what he was doing. However, as I previously stated, ignorance of the law isn't an excuse for committing a transgression. If the teacher wishes to press charges because she was uncomfortable with being sexually harassed, she may do so.

Ignorance of the law might not have anything to do with innocence or guilt, but not intending to commit the crime of which you are accused is a factor. Simply grabbing a woman's breasts is not grounds for sexual harrasment - if it was, then if you ran into a woman in the street and accidental touched her breasts (or any other part of the body she didn't want you to touch, lets not forget that sexual harrasment doesn't necessarily mean fondling someone's obvious erogenous zones) you could be prosecuted. The key word in sexual harrasment is sexual - if the contact is not sexual, how can it be sexual harrasment?

What if other crimes were treated the same way? Suppose you accidentally pick up someone else's briefcase when getting off a train - should you be prosecuted for theft? After all, it is a crime to take someone else's property without their consent, wether or not you are aware that you are committing a crime which you quite rightly pointed out does not make you innocent.

Maybe we should. You know, for their own good. What if a kid toucher is nearby staring at them?
Or a childaphobe substitute teacher is standing around for them to possibly hug.

He did not know what he was doing. However, as I previously stated, ignorance of the law isn't an excuse for committing a transgression. If the teacher wishes to press charges because she was uncomfortable with being sexually harassed, she may do so.

A considerable amount of my faith in humanity hinges on the hopes that no court in the world would convict a four year old of sexual harassment.

Simply grabbing a woman's breasts is not grounds for sexual harrasment - if it was, then if you ran into a woman in the street and accidental touched her breasts... you could be prosecuted.

It depends. If you accidentally touch a woman's breast, and terminate the contact immediately, apologizing for your error profusely, there would most likely be no need to press charges. However, this sexual harasser did not instantly release the woman's breasts, and he did not fondle them accidentally in the first place; it was a purely intentional act. In our legal system, we draw the line between intent and actuality -- if you do not attempt to commit a transgression but do so nonetheless, then the penalty is not as severe. However, that's a moot point since this was no accident.

A four year old preschool student hugged a school aid and rubbed his face in her tits. The incident is on the kid's school record now. Personally I think they went kind of light on him. He should have to register as a sex offender under Megan's law.

http://www.kxxv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5785699

Did they even look into the matter and interview both the kid and the teacher? :confused: And did they even try to establish that he was a sick kid or not? It seems they're just taking the teacher's word for it.

He did not know what he was doing. However, as I previously stated, ignorance of the law isn't an excuse for committing a transgression. If the teacher wishes to press charges because she was uncomfortable with being sexually harassed, she may do so.

We may thank everything holy you are in no way involved with the lawmaking anywhere.

A four year old would be quickly declared mentally unable to commit the crime nor stand trial for it, and the case would be just as quickly dismissed by any rational judge.

What kind of world do we live in where teachers cannot do their jobs without fear of being hugged to death by 4 your olds? :mad:

If you break a law, you get punished for it. It's as simple as that. We can't have people saying, "But I didn't know that it was illegal to rub my face in a woman's breasts!"

The boy's under the age of criminal responsibility.

Fix your post.

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That sums up my thoughts nicely.

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Cut it out. You're breaking the internet.

Cut it out. You're breaking the internet.

The internet is a series of tubes. It's not a truck, you don't just dump things on it.

The internet is a series of tubes. It's not a truck, you don't just dump things on it.

God damn straight. He's clogging up all of the tubes!

God damn straight. He's clogging up all of the tubes!

I have been accused of such acts many times in real life....*akward*

The boy's under the age of criminal responsibility.

What if he shot the teacher? Would you let him get off without any punishment because he is not criminally responsible for his actions?

Dang it I can't see what I'm writing. Stop clogging the tubes already!

What if he shot the teacher? Would you let him get off without any punishment because he is not criminally responsible for his actions?

Read what you just wrote. Notice the "not criminally responsible" part. Would you punish someone who wasn't criminally responsible for their actions?

4-year-old sex offender? Are you serious? How perverted do they actually think 4-year-olds are? Up until I was half that age breasts were still my primary source of milk... Come on!

When I was 4 I was playing with my mom's bras and didn't know what they were for.

What the hell is wrong with the preschool teachers though?

What if he shot the teacher? Would you let him get off without any punishment because he is not criminally responsible for his actions?

Legally impossible

It depends. If you accidentally touch a woman's breast, and terminate the contact immediately, apologizing for your error profusely, there would most likely be no need to press charges. However, this sexual harasser did not instantly release the woman's breasts, and he did not fondle them accidentally in the first place; it was a purely intentional act. In our legal system, we draw the line between intent and actuality -- if you do not attempt to commit a transgression but do so nonetheless, then the penalty is not as severe. However, that's a moot point since this was no accident.

He's 4.If I were to draw a line of insanity,you'd be miles over it.He's 4 for Pete's sake,I desperately hope a court doesn't convict him,else we're all going to Hell in a handbasket.

RuleCaucasia,

No court in the country would convict a four year old child. Refusal to do so would not be going contary to the letter of the law.

The law requires mens rea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea) for an individual to be found guilty of a crime. A four year old child cannot arguably have mens rea.

Ignorance of the law does not excuse a crime, but lack of mens rea does.

A four year old child cannot arguably have mens rea.

So if you're drunk and accidentally set fire to a building, killing tens of people inside, you cannot be charged for your mass murder? Think again.

I believe the question should be this: Why was the teachers aide having sexual feelings after being huffed by a four year old? Why did she feel threatened? I believe that is what needs to be investigated further.

So if you're drunk and accidentally set fire to a building, killing tens of people inside, you cannot be charged for your mass murder? Think again.

Being 4 years old is not equivalent to being drunk.

Being 4 years old is not equivalent to being drunk.

No. It's more like being on a very nice dose of acid.

A four year old preschool student hugged a school aid and rubbed his face in her tits. The incident is on the kid's school record now. Personally I think they went kind of light on him. He should have to register as a sex offender under Megan's law.

http://www.kxxv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5785699

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wOw

No. It's more like being on a very nice dose of acid.

Yeah.
Acid.
I dont feel anything yet, I think we got ripped off.

So if you're drunk and accidentally set fire to a building, killing tens of people inside, you cannot be charged for your mass murder? Think again.

Read the Wikipedia link again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea

Drunkenness falls under recklessness/willful blindness. Thus a drunk has mens rea if he commits a crime while drunk.

Four year old kids cannot have mens rea - no court in any civilized country is going to recognize them as having it. Four year old children, by virtue of their age, cannot act
1. intentionally;
2. knowingly;
3. recklessness sometimes termed willful blindness which may have a different interpretation in the United States; or
4. criminal negligence.

These aren't my rules. These are the rules that have developed over course of many centuries regarding due process, and it is by these rules that civilized countries base judicial decisions. Take it up with the Supreme Court if you don't like it. ;)

What if he shot the teacher? Would you let him get off without any punishment because he is not criminally responsible for his actions?

According to the March 13, 2000 edition of Time magazine; 6 year old Dedrick Owens shot to death one of his classmates, Kayla Rolland, using a stolen handgun, which the teachers missed after bringing both the gun and a knife into an elementary school.

Dedrick Owens was not charged due to his age. He was under the age of criminal responsibility, so is the 4 year old.

Thank every good thing on this Earth you don't hold any political/judicial power.

A considerable amount of my faith in humanity hinges on the hopes that no court in the world would convict a four year old of sexual harassment.

Say goodbye to your faith in humanity.

You're late, Smunkee beat you to it.

Who cares. Weird news only counts if DC posts it. *nod*

If you break a law, you get punished for it. It's as simple as that. We can't have people saying, "But I didn't know that it was illegal to rub my face in a woman's breasts!"

Why can't we?

Seriously, 'ignorance of the law is no excuse' is getting out of hand.

If you break a law, you get punished for it. It's as simple as that. We can't have people saying, "But I didn't know that it was illegal to rub my face in a woman's breasts!"

The kid is 4 years old. You are an idiot if you think he broke any law. He doesn't even know what sex is.

The teacher is a complete moron.

He did not know what he was doing. However, as I previously stated, ignorance of the law isn't an excuse for committing a transgression. If the teacher wishes to press charges because she was uncomfortable with being sexually harassed, she may do so.

I had relatives like you. They used to march around wearing spiffy grey uniforms with their arms extended towards the balconies of parallel buildings.