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Somebody had the temerity to send me this awful corruption of Twas the Night Before Christmas, and I responded at the end. Please let me know what you think -- I'm nobody's poet, but one-sided broadsides like the opening piece of tripe need slapping, and I figured I'd try by slapping both sides in their cakeholes and hoping for some damned moderation (I know it's ridiculous to be optimistic about that ever happening, but it IS the Christmas season).

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Subject: How the 'Left' Stole Christmas

Twas the month before Christmas
When all through our land,
Not a Christian was praying
Nor taking a stand.

See the Political Police had taken away,
The reason for Christmas - no one could say.
The children were told by their schools not to sing,
About Shepherds and Wise Men and Angels and things.

It might hurt people's feelings, the teachers would say
December 25th is just a "Holiday".
Yet the shoppers were ready with cash, checks and credit
Pushing folks down to the floor just to get it!

CDs from Madonna, an X BOX, an I-pod
Something was changing, something quite odd!
Retailers promoted Ramadan and Kwanzaa
In hopes to sell books by Franken & Fonda.

As Targets were hanging their trees upside down
At Lowe's the word Christmas - was no where to be found.
At K-Mart and Staples and Penny's and Sears
You won't hear the word Christmas; it won't touch your ears.

Inclusive, sensitive, Di-ver-si-ty
Are words that were used to intimidate me.
Now Daschle, Now Darden, Now Sharpton, Wolf Blitzen
On Boxer, on Rather, on Kerry, on Clinton!

At the top of the Senate, there arose such a clatter
To eliminate Jesus, in all public matter
And we spoke not a word, as they took away our faith
Forbidden to speak of salvation and grace

The true Gift of Christmas was exchanged and discarded
The reason for the season, stopped before it started.

So as you celebrate "Winter Break" under your "Dream Tree"
Sipping your Starbucks, listen to me.
Choose your words carefully, choose what you say
Shout MERRY CHRISTMAS, not Happy Holiday!

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I'm ever one to enjoy ANYone telling me what I can or can't say, so
I had to fire back with something that castigated BOTH sides.

Enjoy!

Screw BOTH directions!

Of wit, verse and horse sense, the Right is bereft
For Christmas's stealing wasn't done by the Left
The thieving of Christmas began with consumption --
If you're threatened by Kwanzaa, you just have no gumption

If the meaning of Christmas isn't presents and trinkets
Quit your whining, stop buying, and DO as you THINK it
Don't sit there just parroting, claiming a "war"
'Cause ratings for pundits are all that's good for

A "war against Christmas" is hullaballoo
Like the wars on drugs, crime, terror -- poverty, too
To claim corporatization's never happened before
And to suddenly gripe, well, that's hardly a war

It was there in your workplaces, there in your schools
It was under your noses, it was written in rules
Rules YOU allowed to pass without looking
But it's nothing sinister, no evil's a-cooking

See, not everyone walking the great land of ours
Believes in fear-whoring and out-worldly powers
Some folks think that God sent his Son here to please us
But we're a populous nation; not all go for Jesus

Though diversity taken to far's not so great
Far worse would be Church running off with the State
On the other hand, animists, Muslims and Jews,
The mass of you here wouldn't fill half the pews

Of the Lutherans, Catholics, Baptists and Presby's
Or the good Unitarians, who let in the Lesbies
So join them -- they'll ask -- drink some ‘nog from their cup
And if you don't like it, please shut the f*** up

That goes double for Hannity – triple for Rush
And Coulter, O'Reilly, and Larsen and Drudge
I can name more names, too, like Bush and Santorum
Oh, but he lost his seat, I guess that's bad decorum

In fact, BOTH sides of Christmastide's "war" need to shove it
There's no need to hate it, but we don't HAVE to love it
And that's just the point of living here in the States
You're free to decide to which gods you relate

So say "Merry Christmas" -- say whatever you like
Any head that complains belongs stuck on a pike
But a similar fate is deserved by the masses
Who do little for Christ more than bray like jackasses

Whether faithful or heathen, it's just plain absurd
To be threatened OR weaponed by those two simple words.

Merry Whatever!

So as you celebrate "Winter Break" under your "Dream Tree"
Sipping your Starbucks, listen to me.
Choose your words carefully, choose what you say
Shout MERRY CHRISTMAS, not Happy Holiday!

...or what, exactly? Sounds like an overture to blackmail to me...

Best reply to a chain letter I've seen.

i guess anybody who would send you (or read) the first one, deserves your response.

The "Christ Mass" hasn't been celebrated for centuries.



I also love it how they find diversity intimidating.

i guess anybody who would send you (or read) the first one, deserves your response.

Agreed.The first poem is a load tripe.Brilliant response though,congrats :)

I really like the second one.......

It's true. The left is seeking to destroy not only traditional American values, but also anything tangentially related to the Christian religion. First they promote blacks over whites, then immigrants over native-born Americans, then women over men, and now Islamics over Christians! Guess, what commies? Free speech is protected in the Constitution and I can say Christmas when I damn well please, and the same applies to everyone else. Their immorality is greatly disturbing. Thanks for posting that first poem; I'm going to send it to whomever I can.

In hopes to sell books by Franken & Fonda.

I love it when Christians attack Fonda..considering she's one of their own. I'm pretty sure Franken doesn't really care about Christmas, but I'm also pretty sure that Christmas probably plays a big part in Fonda's December. Unless she's one of those Christians who acknowledges that Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus and thus refuses to practice it.

Sweet!

i guess anybody who would send you (or read) the first one, deserves your response.

That was the odd thing -- my mother sent it to me. She who should certainly know that I would read it and want to scream sent me that opening salvo. I suppose I wouldn't have responded so quickly if I hadn't been listening to AM talk radio on a long drive (in North Dakota, there's no such thing as a ashort drive, and the FM choices are slim, so I sometimes listen to AM staples like Rush, Hannity and Lars Larsen in order to learn the latest neocon talking points), and heard people calling in with incredibly flimsy accounts of "Christian persecution" right here in our own country.

So nobody remembers that the founding fathers, for the most part, weren't evangelicals, but Age of Enlightenment deists. *sigh*

Perhaps I'm sheltered now, living in Bismarck, but even on trips back home to Seattle, I've NEVER seen a Ramadan (which was a month ago...) or Kwanzaa display in any store I've ever been in.

I guess if you don't want to see a Ramadan display, you shouldn't go shopping in the International District for things like baba ghannouj or Persian rugs....

http://www.workingforchange.com/webgraphics/WFC/TMW120606.jpg

See 1).

Best reply to a chain letter I've seen.

Indeed. :)

War on Christmas? I thought the religious would appreciate it if the name of Christ is not used for commercial purposes...

Despite that confusion: Good poem!

I would support a war on christmas.

Your reply is genius.

Happy Whatevers all round!

That was the odd thing -- my mother sent it to me. She who should certainly know that I would read it and want to scream sent me that opening salvo. I suppose I wouldn't have responded so quickly if I hadn't been listening to AM talk radio on a long drive (in North Dakota, there's no such thing as a ashort drive, and the FM choices are slim, so I sometimes listen to AM staples like Rush, Hannity and Lars Larsen in order to learn the latest neocon talking points), and heard people calling in with incredibly flimsy accounts of "Christian persecution" right here in our own country.

So nobody remembers that the founding fathers, for the most part, weren't evangelicals, but Age of Enlightenment deists. *sigh*

ohhhh you have my sympathy. i only have to listen to those shows when the husband is in the car.

they are a bit of a driving hazard. it only takes about 5 minutes (depending on commercial interruption) to get me ranting. a ranting driver is not a safe driver.

It's true. The left is seeking to destroy not only traditional American values, but also anything tangentially related to the Christian religion.
Prove it. Or could it be that you can't prove something that only exists in the minds (hint: not reality) of a few right-wing politicians to distract you from a faltering economy, (for example) and ensure that the attention of the media is focused on something unrelated to the issues of that day?

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/060619ta_talk_hertzberg
(Not Christmas, but the point stands)

And, while you're at it, try and explain the existence of Christian Socialists like Tommy Douglas (premier of Saskatchewan), Tony Benn (UK Statesman) and even Martin Luther King (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Socialism)

EDIT: And was it the 'right' or the 'left' that corporatised Christmas and turned it into a shopping spree anyway.

First they promote blacks over whites,
Prove please.

then immigrants over native-born Americans,
Prove please.

then women over men,
Prove please.

and now Islamics over Christians!
Prove please.

Guess, what commies?
So, now left=communist? I call bullshit.

Free speech is protected in the Constitution and I can say Christmas when I damn well please, and the same applies to everyone else.
Which includes saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas, if that's what peopel prefer. So put up and shut up.

Their immorality is greatly disturbing.
Blah, blah, blah. Do I look like I care what anyone thinks about my morality? I support a women's right to have an abortion, two man/women to get hitched, legalisation of weed, and the secularisation of state activity. If you think that immoral, that's fine by me.

Thanks for posting that first poem; I'm going to send it to whomever I can.
And if they have a brain cell between them, they will realise how boring the "War on Christmas" actually is, and ignore it completely.

Nice post, Intangelon. I'm a Christian, and the closest I think we have come to some kind of 'War on Christmas' were a couple random, petty disputes in minor courts over the right to pass out candy canes and the like, which I'm fairly certain were dismissed. Though, I will admit that Christmas is too commericalized.

Nice post, Intangelon. I'm a Christian, and the closest I think we have come to some kind of 'War on Christmas' were a couple random, petty disputes in minor courts over the right to pass out candy canes and the like, which I'm fairly certain were dismissed. Though, I will admit that Christmas is too commericalized.
I'm an atheist and even I think it's too commercialised, and lost any spiritual meaning outside the family at least.

<snip>Tony Benn (UK Statesman)<snip>

Fun fact: Tony Benn gave my best friend an umbrella.

It's true. The left is seeking to destroy not only traditional American values, but also anything tangentially related to the Christian religion. 'Scuse me? Which idiot came up with the idea that St. Nicholas stops his traditional work on the 6th and replaces baby Jesus as the gift-giver on Christmas Eve?
First they promote blacks over whites, then immigrants over native-born Americans, then women over men, and now Islamics over Christians! Well, two things, first, immigrants have been favored over native-born Americans since the colonial days (unless the immigrants were Irish), and I can't believe you forgot the Jews...
Guess, what commies? Darn, that counts me out :(
Free speech is protected in the Constitution and I can say Christmas when I damn well please, and the same applies to everyone else. Yeah. Not saying Christmas falls under the same rules. ;)
Their immorality is greatly disturbing. Thanks for posting that first poem; I'm going to send it to whomever I can.What's so immoral about not celebrating Christmas?

Oh, and Intangelon: Awesome poem :D

Was Rule Caucasia's post deleted? And is he serious with that name? The Caucasus are mountains currently inhabited by people he probably wouldn't wish to meet, let alone associate with. Stultifying.









And thanks for the kudos.

Was Rule Caucasia's post deleted?Nah, just click on the little green arrow next to the "Quote by" to follow it back to where the post is.

I have several relatives whom I hate (as opposed to my friends, whom I also hate, but have the courtesy not to forward things), who send me that chain mail crap. At this point, I just delete everything I receive from them because those goddamned Intarweb tubes are crowded enough as it is.

And, New Burmesia, everyone knows that there is only one sort of proof (http://www.polishedpalate.com/images/goslings-rum.jpg) fit for the Christmas Season. So you can just keep your "facts" and "reality" to yourself unti, at least, January 2nd.

And, while you're at it, try and explain the existence of Christian Socialists

I don't see how the two are mutually exclusive. I, myself, am a socialist.

Prove please.

Affirmative action promotes blacks over whites (and whites slightly over Asians, for that matter). If you're black and equally smart as a white person, colleges will pick you over the white kid any day.

Prove please.

Liberals are in favor of pardoning millions of criminals who broke a law by coming into this country without authorization. They're fine with millions of criminals streaming into our country, but when someone insists on retaining the "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance, they are all over him.

Prove please.

They insist on legislated equality between men and women when it is abundantly clear that the two sexes are not perfectly equal. As a result, companies hire women over equally qualified men out of fear of being slapped with a lawsuit.

Prove please.

I don't see any lefties protesting against someone saying "happy Ramadan!"

So, now left=communist? I call bullshit.

No, only authoritarian lefties who want society to conform to their ideals of what it should be; those who want to restrict our civil rights by enforcing their all-encompassing, sunshine and puppies, vision of the world. If they want to ban the saying of "Christmas," that is communist in nature.

Larry the Cable Guy sure knows what he is talking about. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG-H4nxHj1o

Larry the Cable Guy sure knows what he is talking about. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG-H4nxHj1oHeehee... Pity Gary North doesn't get it...

:eek: you changed it!

Heehee... Pity Gary North doesn't get it...

:eek: you changed it!

I thought I'd make it easier for people if it loaded up immediately. :)

I'll put the old one back as well.

http://www.garynorth.com/public/1794.cfm

there is no war on christmas. there is no war on Christmas. there is no war on Christmas. [/brainwashing]

there is no war on christmas.
Oh really? Then what have you got all those Panzers back there for? And . . . is that an MP40 under your jacket, or are you just happy at the idea of the complete destruction of this nations Christian/Etruscan heritage?

I don't see how the two are mutually exclusive. I, myself, am a socialist.
Which therefore proves wrong your generalisation that the left is out to destroy Christmas.

Affirmative action promotes blacks over whites (and whites slightly over Asians, for that matter). If you're black and equally smart as a white person, colleges will pick you over the white kid any day.
1. On the other hand, one can argue that it puts both blacks and whites on an equal footing by ensuring that both groups get a chance at the same education. It's a matter of perspective. I think it's wrong, but I can see it that way.
2. Is it only liberals that do it? I don't think so?
3. What's it got to do with Christmas anyway?

Liberals are in favor of pardoning millions of criminals who broke a law by coming into this country without authorization. They're fine with millions of criminals streaming into our country, but when someone insists on retaining the "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance, they are all over him.
1. Those are two completely separate issues, and have nothing to do with each other at all, but for your information not all liberals support an amnesty and removing the reference to god.
2. What's it got to do with Christmas anyway?

They insist on legislated equality between men and women when it is abundantly clear that the two sexes are not perfectly equal. As a result, companies hire women over equally qualified men out of fear of being slapped with a lawsuit.
1. So, you don't believe in gender equality?
2. What's it got to do with Christmas anyway?

I don't see any lefties protesting against someone saying "happy Ramadan!"
I don't see any lefties protesting against saying Merry Christmas just as much as I don't see anyone saying Happy Ramadan.

No, only authoritarian lefties who want society to conform to their ideals of what it should be; those who want to restrict our civil rights by enforcing their all-encompassing, sunshine and puppies, vision of the world.
Yup. Restricting our civil rights by protecting the rights of women and minorities, I'm sure.

If they want to ban the saying of "Christmas," that is communist in nature.
No it isn't. Communism is an economic system, not a social one. While you're at it, find a communist who supports banning saying Christmas.

Oh really? Then what have you got all those Panzers back there for? And . . . is that an MP40 under your jacket, or are you just happy at the idea of the complete destruction of this nations Christian/Etruscan heritage?

what nation.

Hey wasn't it the Daily Show that did a bit on how Wal-Mart is now going back to saying "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays"? Perhaps the direction of the war has shifted.

what nation.
Gondor.

I don't see how the two are mutually exclusive. I, myself, am a socialist.

Liberals are in favor of

Interesting. You're a socialist but blather on about teh evil "liberals."

Self-hating perhaps?

Or, I know, you're about as socialist as a national socialist.

what nation.
I don't know . . . Ancient Rome?
I suppose, technically, the Huns and Persians got there first, but that's no reason not to try.

Which therefore proves wrong your generalisation that the left is out to destroy Christmas.

I was referring to the American left, not the economic left in general. They make an incredible fuss when someone (gasp) actually wants to rejoice in their religion! They slam on the brakes when someone (gasp) wants to express pride in their country! They stop you in your tracks if you (gasp) want to get into a good college based on merit and not skin color! No, those are authoritarian measures; communism is a dictatorial style of government. The two are quite similar.

I was referring to the American left, not the economic left in general. They make an incredible fuss when someone (gasp) actually wants to rejoice in their religion! They slam on the brakes when someone (gasp) wants to express pride in their country! They stop you in your tracks if you (gasp) want to get into a good college based on merit and not skin color! No, those are authoritarian measures; communism is a dictatorial style of government. The two are quite similar.
Communism is an economic system. The word you're thinking of is authoritarianism.

Happy holidays y'all! :)

Larry the Cable Guy sure knows what he is talking about. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG-H4nxHj1oHehe! And he laughed 'Lady of the evening, lady of the evening, lady of the evening.' Priceless! :D

Your poem was quite good Intangelon. I couldn't write something that good. For some reason all my flair for writing poetry disappeared when I turned 13...

About 'Merry Christmas' v 'Happy Holidays'; well I think it's kind of pointless. It's a habit now and won't stop. You've just got to accept how commercialised Christmas is and if it bothers you; well then you're free to do it your own way. It's sort of like being a vegetarian, I guess.

It's true. The left is seeking to destroy not only traditional American values, but also anything tangentially related to the Christian religion. First they promote blacks over whites, then immigrants over native-born Americans, then women over men, and now Islamics over Christians! Guess, what commies? Free speech is protected in the Constitution and I can say Christmas when I damn well please, and the same applies to everyone else. Their immorality is greatly disturbing. Thanks for posting that first poem; I'm going to send it to whomever I can.

Mat 7:22

Communism is an economic system. The word you're thinking of is authoritarianism.

No, in Amerika, communism is those damn ruskies and their hatred of freedom. see also: democrat.

Mat 7:22

(Bible) ZING!

i like your song, i'd say it was essential reading for any embattled festive reveller.

Did anyone see Scrooged, with Bill Murray? At the very start of the film was a parody of an action movie with Santa shooting terrorists with a bazooka.

Now that's what I call a war on Christmas!

War on Christmas? I thought the religious would appreciate it if the name of Christ is not used for commercial purposes...

Despite that confusion: Good poem!

There really isn't much of a war on Christmas, when you think about it. All the people who go PC-crazy around this time? They're sick of teh ebil Christians. Not all Christians are evil, but the very vocal minority ruins it for all.

And when you think about it, the people who can't stand to hear "Happy Holidays" need to realize that there's more holidays in December than Christmas-- even if you're Christian, there's always New Year's Eve which is December 31st, a December holiday! "Happy Holidays" won't kill you. "Merry Christmas", "Happy Hanukkah", and "Happy Kwanzaa" won't kill somebody either.

But if you don't like diversity, then... HAPPY FREAKING DECEMBER!!!!

I was avoiding this thread because I don't believe in any 'war on Christmas', but I liked your reply, Intangelon, and I was happy to see this thread didn't begin as I thought it would :D

Liberals are in favor of pardoning millions of criminals who broke a law by coming into this country without authorization. They're fine with millions of criminals streaming into our country, but when someone insists on retaining the "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance, they are all over him.


Okay, your whole post was replete with horseshit and absent of the proof you were asked for, but this part I've quotes is King Horseshit.

LIBERALS are the only ones looking to pardon illegals? Please. Cheap labor without costly documentation or health insurance or pension plans? Sorry, pal, but that's a conservative businessman's wet fucking dream.

We blame, with the lame game
that someone else did it
make our "God-like excuses'
and brag univolvement

Stay away from the mirror that reflects back the truth
Remain sheltered and safe neath our "innocence" roof
Then we wonder and moan that our God is aloof;

little knowing our "God" is just self-righteous greed.
As we glance past all others in desparate need
Merry (Christmas) we clamor, peace on earth is our creed
Never once realizing our ignorance breeds
Hatred, misunderstanding and cruelty seeds.

In rememberance of all who died in the war of Christmas (http://arlingtonchristmas.ytmnd.com/) :( *plays taps*

Why do liberals want to legislate what people can and can't do on Christmas? I mean if they're really for tolerance they wouldn't do that.

I ask again: Whatever happened to live and let live.

I don't care how a person addresses me during the holiday seasons, but I think that a company is best served by being all encompassing, by saying "happy holidays" or "seasons greetings", because technically speaking, Christians aren't the only places that shop at Wal Mart or Target or whatever. Like I said however, I really don't care, they can do as they wish.

Why are people getting so pissed off when someone else says "happy holidays", or, at the other end of the spectrum, "Merry Christmas"? Is it really that big of a deal? Aren't there more important things to worry about? Isn't Christmas supposed to be all about goodwill towards your fellow man?

Live and let live man...

You totally pwned that poem. I may very well decide to quote yours.

In rememberance of all who died in the war of Christmas (http://arlingtonchristmas.ytmnd.com/) :( *plays taps*

Why do liberals want to legislate what people can and can't do on Christmas? I mean if they're really for tolerance they wouldn't do that.

For the Nth time, where N = 2 to far too many, "liberals" don't give a shit about what YOU do on Christmas. I don't know what "liberals" want and neither do you. Why? Because "liberals" is a catchphrase used by people who fear that Christianity, marriage, and royalty by inheritance are under attack. Nobody is a label, and a label is only one of many things a person can use to identify themselves. I repeat, NOBODY IS TRYING TO TELL ANYONE WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO ON CHRISTMAS. The desire on the part of a FEW overzealous or even customer-conscious people looking at focus-group results to NOT offend as many people as possible has led to the coining of a few alternative phrases designed not to alienate non-Christians. If YOU wanna say "Merry Christmas", you go right ahead. However, if your BOSS tells you not to, he's not a liberal, he's looking out for the bottom line OR following the corporate policies of higher-ups who are.

So the blame (if any is even needed, and I say none is) for "Happy Holidays" belongs to the presidents, CEOs and boardrooms of US corporations. Trying to pin it on people of any certain political stripe is asinine and serves only to further divide a nation already in pieces -- which is precisely where those in those boardroom chairs love us. It's difficult to sell Ann Coulter's books or Al Franken's books if America weren't so fractious.

Hence the thread title. *sigh*

You totally pwned that poem. I may very well decide to quote yours.

I'd be honored. Thanks.

I ask again: Whatever happened to live and let live.

I don't care how a person addresses me during the holiday seasons, but I think that a company is best served by being all encompassing, by saying "happy holidays" or "seasons greetings", because technically speaking, Christians aren't the only places that shop at Wal Mart or Target or whatever. Like I said however, I really don't care, they can do as they wish.

Why are people getting so pissed off when someone else says "happy holidays", or, at the other end of the spectrum, "Merry Christmas"? Is it really that big of a deal? Aren't there more important things to worry about? Isn't Christmas supposed to be all about goodwill towards your fellow man?

Live and let live man...

From your lips to God's ears and the minds of all involved.

In rememberance of all who died in the war of Christmas (http://arlingtonchristmas.ytmnd.com/) :( *plays taps*

Why do liberals want to legislate what people can and can't do on Christmas? I mean if they're really for tolerance they wouldn't do that.

Sorry, buy it's not the "liberals" regulating this one. It's the "conservative" christians??? that are demanding that no other religion be recognized or acknowledged by private businesses. They are demanding regulation of business----ironic ain't it.

I'm ever one to enjoy ANYone telling me what I can or can't say, so
I had to fire back with something that castigated BOTH sides.

Enjoy!

Screw BOTH directions!

Of wit, verse and horse sense, the Right is bereft
For Christmas's stealing wasn't done by the Left
The thieving of Christmas began with consumption --
If you're threatened by Kwanzaa, you just have no gumption

If the meaning of Christmas isn't presents and trinkets
Quit your whining, stop buying, and DO as you THINK it
Don't sit there just parroting, claiming a "war"
'Cause ratings for pundits are all that's good for

A "war against Christmas" is hullaballoo
Like the wars on drugs, crime, terror -- poverty, too
To claim corporatization's never happened before
And to suddenly gripe, well, that's hardly a war

It was there in your workplaces, there in your schools
It was under your noses, it was written in rules
Rules YOU allowed to pass without looking
But it's nothing sinister, no evil's a-cooking

See, not everyone walking the great land of ours
Believes in fear-whoring and out-worldly powers
Some folks think that God sent his Son here to please us
But we're a populous nation; not all go for Jesus

Though diversity taken to far's not so great
Far worse would be Church running off with the State
On the other hand, animists, Muslims and Jews,
The mass of you here wouldn't fill half the pews

Of the Lutherans, Catholics, Baptists and Presby's
Or the good Unitarians, who let in the Lesbies
So join them -- they'll ask -- drink some ‘nog from their cup
And if you don't like it, please shut the f*** up

That goes double for Hannity – triple for Rush
And Coulter, O'Reilly, and Larsen and Drudge
I can name more names, too, like Bush and Santorum
Oh, but he lost his seat, I guess that's bad decorum

In fact, BOTH sides of Christmastide's "war" need to shove it
There's no need to hate it, but we don't HAVE to love it
And that's just the point of living here in the States
You're free to decide to which gods you relate

So say "Merry Christmas" -- say whatever you like
Any head that complains belongs stuck on a pike
But a similar fate is deserved by the masses
Who do little for Christ more than bray like jackasses

Whether faithful or heathen, it's just plain absurd
To be threatened OR weaponed by those two simple words.

Merry Whatever!

THANK YOU! You have, officially, made my day. And I just woke up an hour ago to boot.

My biggest problem with the "War on Christmas" via commercialization has to do with the fact that most corporations are run by Republican CEOs, so the right is profitting a great deal from the commercialization of Christmas. I have a lot of problems with capitalist Christians, because capitalism is so cutthroat and the kind of Christianity I grew up with was (which is to say, not the kind of Christianity I see so widespread today) centered around love and altruism. That kind of Christianity would probably not much care what people were doing about the end of December as long as it didn't involve mistreating other people.

In rememberance of all who died in the war of Christmas (http://arlingtonchristmas.ytmnd.com/) :( *plays taps*

Why do liberals want to legislate what people can and can't do on Christmas? I mean if they're really for tolerance they wouldn't do that.

They don't, Bill O'Reilly just likes to pretend they do to showboat for ratings.

They don't, Bill O'Reilly just likes to pretend they do to showboat for ratings.

How true. Someone should beat him with his teleprompter.

I think its time someone stands up and puts the PAGAN back in CHRISTmas...


:p

THANK YOU! You have, officially, made my day. And I just woke up an hour ago to boot.

I am glad to hear that your day was made and that you got sleep. I will sleep, too, once these two weeks have ended.

COMIN' HOME ON FRIDAY, SEATTLE! WOO-HOO! Two weeks in (my idea of) paradise!

I think its time someone stands up and puts the PAGAN back in CHRISTmas...


:p

LOL! Yeah -- when you write or say CHRISTmas, you take the Saturnalia out of the holiday. Isn't Saturn the reason for the season?

LOL! Yeah -- when you write or say CHRISTmas, you take the Saturnalia out of the holiday. Isn't Saturn the reason for the season?

The Saturnalia starts Sunday the 17th, traditionally through the 19th but later extended to the 21st. Seneca says the City went "mad" during the holiday. On the first day slaves were waited on by their masters (MTAE won't care for that).

The Saturnalia starts Sunday the 17th, traditionally through the 19th but later extended to the 21st. Seneca says the City went "mad" during the holiday. On the first day slaves were waited on by their masters (MTAE won't care for that).

(I dare say he wouldn't!)

Okay, how about this slogan -- "Keep the SOUL in SOLSTICE!"

(I dare say he wouldn't!)

Okay, how about this slogan -- "Keep the SOUL in SOLSTICE!"

"Keep SOL in SOLstice --- SOL Invictus, baby, the Unconquered Sun!"

well ok, i will admit, xmas is WAY over commertialised and isnt as much about christianity and jesus as it used 2 be

BUT

its basically the only time of the year people r NICE 2 each other! now come on, surely everyones allowed 2 celebrate that!

im no christian, but i love christmas time, hell im 19 and im still excited its coming soon! cos i know i'll have fun with my family, and have a great time

true, only my gran will go 2 church, but y am i not allowed 2 do the rest of it? y cant i celebrate havin fun with people i care about?

the guys complainin should be proud its their religion so many people care about enough 2 even follow some its traditions even if theyre not part of it

and if u really dont like it, back off, and when they die, surely "god" will sort them out?

War on Christmas? I thought the religious would appreciate it if the name of Christ is not used for commercial purposes...

We don't appreciate the capitalist commercialisation of Christmas.

Twas the week before Christmas
And all through the land
Not a person was hugging, or shaking a hand
Twas all about presents
And family feuds
Not to mention
Old religion wars.
The right-wingers screamed that nobody was listening
To the word of God and commercializing a holy day
The lefties all cried
That the neocons were crowding their space
And throughout the country
Sales went up and so did crime
People kissing the asses of capitalist slime.
So the moderates and "non-believers"
Saw the light
They looked upon the mess that was an American Christmas
And pitied all its victims, and said:
"Please guys, shut the @#$^ up!"

:(

I object to the right hijacking such a holiday, who ever said these ultra-conservative, homophobic, islamophobic pro-business nubs have exclusive rights on saying what Christmas is all about.

I live in the UK and I am not a Christian. Actually I'm not really anything, in religious terms. I like Christmas BECAUSE it has nothing to do with religion over here. It's a time when everyone is happy because school and college are over, everyone gets presents, you get to spend time with your family, are more inspired to help others, and you just feel inexplicably happier for some reason. My friends are a mix of Christians (of various degrees), Atheists, Sikhs and Muslims and everyone gets presents for everyone else because it doesn't really occur to any of us anymore that Christmas is for Christians. It's a time to watch silly children's movies on TV, eat lots of chocolate regardless of diets, be really excited over very little and act immature and nonsensical because it's CHRISTMAS, the one time when everyone has an excuse to be as silly and childish as they want, and no-one will care.

The true meaning of Christmas: Be happy that you can be happy, and be happy that other people can be happy.

Let them be happy. Let them do whatever. What the hell. After a whole year, I think we all deserve a little magic back in our lives.

Say whatever makes you happy, but be prepared to let others say what makes them happy too, even if it doesn't fit in with your beliefs.

Happy Whatever to you all!

LOL! Yeah -- when you write or say CHRISTmas, you take the Saturnalia out of the holiday. Isn't Saturn the reason for the season?

The Saturnalia party we had at school for Latin club was fun.:)

The Puritan-led first War on Christmas

A fact rarely mentioned in the news media is that the first "War on Christmas" was led by Christans, and began during the Puritan era, under Oliver Cromwell's brief rule in England in the middle 17th century[4]. Cromwell and other English Puritans (including those who fled to America) sought to remove the remaining pagan elements of Christmas (listed below).


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Christmas

It might be wikipedia, but it's an interesting read nonetheless.

I live in the UK and I am not a Christian. Actually I'm not really anything, in religious terms. I like Christmas BECAUSE it has nothing to do with religion over here. It's a time when everyone is happy because school and college are over, everyone gets presents, you get to spend time with your family, are more inspired to help others, and you just feel inexplicably happier for some reason. My friends are a mix of Christians (of various degrees), Atheists, Sikhs and Muslims and everyone gets presents for everyone else because it doesn't really occur to any of us anymore that Christmas is for Christians.
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Yet still all the papers jump on the war on christmas bandwagon. Making a false allegations that some council some where banned christmas or some MP puts seasons greetings in his cards (as they have done for decades).

Yet still all the papers jump on the war on christmas bandwagon. Making a false allegations that some council some where banned christmas or some MP puts seasons greetings in his cards (as they have done for decades).

I agree, my grandparents put up cards decorations saying 'season's greetings' in their day, and nothing bad was thought of it then. Why can't people just see that, as usual, the Christian fanatics are making a big deal out of virtually nothing. Just as Bill O'Reilly said that not saying 'Merry Christmas' would lead to 'legalization of narcotics, euthanasia, abortion at will, gay marriage' etc (from the wiki article). It really is scary that America is dominated by such idiots as these and their followers en masse.

Bill O'Reilly is a war hero.

Brilliant response! :D

Wow, RuleCaucasia is a socialist, but MTAE railed against the evils of communism! Clearly they're two separate people.

While I don't believe for a second that there is such a thing as a "War on Christmas", I do believe that US society as a whole is much less friendly towards any display of religious belief during Christmas.

Santa and presents are still fine - we just don't need to hear the carols or see the baby Jesus in a plastic manger.

This was the general attitude of shopping malls where I live, when our church choir offered to sing Christmas carols at the malls. Only one mall said it was OK - the rest said they didn't want to risk offending shoppers who were Christmas shopping.

Oooh - that makes sense. Wouldn't want to hear "Deck the Halls" if I'm buying Christmas presents for my Christmas celebration at home.

I agree, my grandparents put up cards decorations saying 'season's greetings' in their day, and nothing bad was thought of it then. Why can't people just see that, as usual, the Christian fanatics are making a big deal out of virtually nothing. Just as Bill O'Reilly said that not saying 'Merry Christmas' would lead to 'legalization of narcotics, euthanasia, abortion at will, gay marriage' etc (from the wiki article). It really is scary that America is dominated by such idiots as these and their followers en masse.

I think you'll find that the US isn't all that dominated by these people, they're just the squeaky wheels. I think most folks over here are fine with "Season's greetings" or "Happy Holidays" or "Merry Christmas" or even "Happy Christmas" as you lot would have it. This year the "War on Christmas" has been a bust, despite O'Reilly. The most notable incident was the rabbi in Seattle who scared the airport authorities into removing all their Christmas trees, and he backed down almost immediately (all he wanted was a menorah included).

The people who try to promote the WoC are the same ones who've trumpeted the horrors you quoted above in order to get people to vote for them. I think some of those people have begun to realize that they've been used. Think about it, the Republican conservatives had control of Congress for 12 years, and of the White House for five, and yet abortion is still legal in most places in the country, the Constitution has not been amended to ban gay marriage and in fact the states are beginning allow gay marriage, indeed, almost none of the concerns of "values voters" have ever been addressed, except for cutting the taxes of the richest of them.

So, we may swing back and forth, left and right, and if you tune in to our news channels on any given day, you'll find fanatics of every stripe, but the country is basically sound.

And a Merry Christmas to you all who celebrate it.

They don't, Bill O'Reilly just likes to pretend they do to showboat for ratings.

"Bill O'Reilly is a big blubbering vagina":

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=bill_oreilly

OK not really Christmas related but still quite funny.

I think you'll find that the US isn't all that dominated by these people, they're just the squeaky wheels. I think most folks over here are fine with "Season's greetings" or "Happy Holidays" or "Merry Christmas" or even "Happy Christmas" as you lot would have it. This year the "War on Christmas" has been a bust, despite O'Reilly. The most notable incident was the rabbi in Seattle who scared the airport authorities into removing all their Christmas trees, and he backed down almost immediately (all he wanted was a menorah included).

The people who try to promote the WoC are the same ones who've trumpeted the horrors you quoted above in order to get people to vote for them. I think some of those people have begun to realize that they've been used. Think about it, the Republican conservatives had control of Congress for 12 years, and of the White House for five, and yet abortion is still legal in most places in the country, the Constitution has not been amended to ban gay marriage and in fact the states are beginning allow gay marriage, indeed, almost none of the concerns of "values voters" have ever been addressed, except for cutting the taxes of the richest of them.

So, we may swing back and forth, left and right, and if you tune in to our news channels on any given day, you'll find fanatics of every stripe, but the country is basically sound.

And a Merry Christmas to you all who celebrate it.

Yeah, it's just a shame that all we ever hear about America over here makes everyone think all Americans are right-wing 'white-trash' morons. Still, I bet many Americans probably think us British sit around on armchairs drinking tea and eating biscuits all day.

I think you'll find that the US isn't all that dominated by these people, they're just the squeaky wheels.

Have you seen the ratings he gets?