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Energy Exploration on Gulf of Mexico approved

La Habana Cuba
09-12-2006, 11:17
Posted on Sat, Dec. 09, 2006.

CONGRESS

Drilling off Fla. coast moves aheadAfter years of wrangling, a bill that opens the Gulf of Mexico south of the Panhandle to oil drilling has been passed by the House and heads to the Senate, where approval is uncertain.

Update : The Senate passed it 79 to 9.
Also passed tax credits for alternative energy producers and
purchases of solar energy equipment by homeowners and businesses.

BY LESLEY CLARK
Miami Herald.

WASHINGTON - Drilling for oil and natural gas in the deepest waters off Florida's Gulf Coast would be allowed for the first time under legislation that cleared the House Friday but remained unresolved in the Senate.

The House gave final approval to a measure that allows for energy exploration in a huge swath of the Gulf of Mexico 125 miles south of the Panhandle. Rigs would be barred 235 miles off the coast of Tampa and nearly 325 miles from Naples.

The measure must still clear the Senate -- which had not yet acted late Friday -- but it could mark a victory for industry groups who waged a yearslong battle, and a major setback for environmental groups and some Florida lawmakers who had long fought efforts to explore Florida waters.

''Drilling in the eastern Gulf of Mexico not only threatens Florida's $57 billion tourism industry, but also America's most pristine shoreline,'' said Rep. Jim Davis, a Tampa Democrat who led the charge against drilling and is leaving office after an unsuccessful bid for governor.

But the bill has the backing of Florida's two senators, Democrat Bill Nelson and Republican Mel Martinez, who said it offers permanent protection for Florida's coastline at a time when pressure to open up federal land to energy extraction is increasing.

Martinez, who negotiated the measure with input from Nelson, rebuffed suggestions that the delegation could successfully maintain its total ''no drilling'' stance.

''I think what we've done is good for Florida,'' Martinez said of the legislation, noting it provides for buffers of hundreds of miles -- much farther than the House had wanted. 'Some folks would say, `no drilling,' but that's a pipe dream. Protecting Florida is the next best thing we could do.''

Many Gulf Coast lawmakers pleaded for its passage, arguing that oil royalties from exploration would help restore hurricane-damaged wetlands.

''The Louisiana delegation for decades has been asking for help, and it's been like a tree falling in the woods, unheard,'' said Rep. Charlie Melancon, D-La.

``This is an opportunity to do something for energy production and to do something for America's wetlands.''

To sweeten the deal, lawmakers rolled the measure into a package of popular tax breaks, including a federal income-tax deduction for state sales taxes, a provision that affects states like Florida that don't have a state income tax.

The measure easily cleared the House on a 367-45 vote. The Senate was expected to take it up before going home sometime this weekend. Senate Energy Committee chairman Sen. Pete Domenici, R-N.M., said he would try to get the bill passed ``as soon as possible.

''This vote is a victory for families worried about their soaring energy bills,'' Domenici said.

Environmentalists assailed it, with Environment Florida director Mark Ferrulo calling it an ''early Christmas present to Big Oil'' and a ''stocking stuffed with tar balls'' for the state of Florida.

''The giveaway of 8 million acres of waters directly off Florida's coast to the oil industry is bad news for anyone who cares about the health of our marine wildlife and coastal environment,'' Ferrulo said, noting that if the bill is signed into law, Congress will have given a green light to the first oil drilling rigs ''in history'' off Florida's coast.

But Gov. Jeb Bush, once a critic of drilling in even far-away waters, said he could live with the legislation because it gives the state a 125-mile buffer -- and puts it in writing, as opposed to leaving it up to the whims of a future president.

''It's better to have that kind of permanency than have a change of policy in the out years,'' Bush told reporters in Tallahassee.

The measure split a once-united Florida congressional delegation, with many Republicans suggesting that rising energy costs made it critical to allow limited drilling in the Gulf in exchange for some protection.

Democrats and environmentalists argued that Congress would be better off addressing energy conservation and new sources of alternative fuels.

''If Congress was serious about offering real energy solutions, then we would be examining the true environmental and economic impacts of offshore drilling and exploring the use of clean, renewable energy technologies, increased fuel efficiency and conservation,'' said Rep. Robert Wexler, a Boca Raton Democrat.

All of the Florida delegation's Republican members, except for Miami's Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, voted for the measure.

Ros-Lehtinen joined in voting against the measure with Democrats Davis, Wexler and Reps. Alcee Hastings of Miramar, Kendrick Meek of Miami and Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Weston.

Miami Herald staff writer Gary Fineout contributed to this report.
La Habana Cuba
09-12-2006, 12:04
While I am opposed to Energy exploration on The Gulf of Mexico
because it is off the coast, I favor
Oil exploration drilling in Alaska on land.
PsychoticDan
09-12-2006, 21:06
While I am opposed to Energy exploration on The Gulf of Mexico
because it is off the coast, I favor
Oil exploration drilling in Alaska on land.

Why? :confused:
Sdaeriji
09-12-2006, 21:10
While I am opposed to Energy exploration on The Gulf of Mexico
because it is off the coast, I favor
Oil exploration drilling in Alaska on land.

Rationale?
Vetalia
09-12-2006, 21:11
Personally, I'd rather them open up the coastline to offshore wind turbines than oil drilling and save that oil for when it's really needed. We should also impose a tax on oil and oil products that goes up by $0.03 per month, every month, for the next 30 years and use the money to fund alternative energy. We cannot drill our way out of our energy problems; the US uses 7 billion barrels of oil per year, and there is no way in hell that we will be able to meet that kind of demand with the oil in the Gulf. You're talking using an oilfield the size of Ghawar every 10 years...there's no way in hell that we will be able to find that kind of oil field in the Gulf, in Alaska, or anywhere in the world for that matter.

Oil is dying, and if we continue to try and meet demand with drilling we will only worsen the situation when the shit hits the fan. In my opinion, it should be our goal to cut oil demand by 50% by 2020, and by 90% or more by 2050.
The Nazz
09-12-2006, 21:14
I'm making a prediction--within ten years, the Gulf Coast beaches in Florida will be ruined, and the tourism industry, which south Florida depends on, will be harmed irreparably.
Vetalia
09-12-2006, 21:15
I'm making a prediction--within ten years, the Gulf Coast beaches in Florida will be ruined, and the tourism industry, which south Florida depends on, will be harmed irreparably.

And we will be even more dependent on imported oil in 2016 than we are now.
The Nazz
09-12-2006, 21:25
And we will be even more dependent on imported oil in 2016 than we are now.

All the more reason not to drill. It's pain which is going to make us push for alternatives. Doesn't matter to me if the pain is real or manufactured.
Vetalia
09-12-2006, 21:27
All the more reason not to drill. It's pain which is going to make us push for alternatives. Doesn't matter to me if the pain is real or manufactured.

That's why I support not only preventing drilling, but taxing it at the same time. I'd rather have a self-inflicted pain that we can manage than the kind of pain that PO will inflict on us if we're unprepared.
Bookislvakia
09-12-2006, 21:28
Thank God, finally! What's the point of having beautiful coasts and pristine wilderness if we can't rape the shit out of it?
Vetalia
09-12-2006, 21:29
Thank God, finally! What's the point of having beautiful coasts and pristine wilderness if we can't rape the shit out of it?

Who wouldn't want the Earth to look like Giedi Prime?
PsychoticDan
09-12-2006, 21:49
Personally, I'd rather them open up the coastline to offshore wind turbines than oil drilling and save that oil for when it's really needed. We should also impose a tax on oil and oil products that goes up by $0.03 per month, every month, for the next 30 years and use the money to fund alternative energy. We cannot drill our way out of our energy problems; the US uses 7 billion barrels of oil per year, and there is no way in hell that we will be able to meet that kind of demand with the oil in the Gulf. You're talking using an oilfield the size of Ghawar every 10 years...there's no way in hell that we will be able to find that kind of oil field in the Gulf, in Alaska, or anywhere in the world for that matter.

Oil is dying, and if we continue to try and meet demand with drilling we will only worsen the situation when the shit hits the fan. In my opinion, it should be our goal to cut oil demand by 50% by 2020, and by 90% or more by 2050.

I like the idea of a progressive tax. Very interesting. As for drilling, I agree in principle, the only problem is that severe economic shock from an oil shortage may prevent us from being able to build the energy infrastructure we need. It takes oil to build all that stuff and the reality is, and I think you know this, we're going to drill and burn every last drop of oil on this planet. As soon as the "no fuel" signs start popping up at the local gas stations people are going to forget how beautiful their coastlines once were. It's sad, but I think it's inevitable. I think teh challenge is getting people and our government t use what oil we have left intelligently. Lay rail. Start using our rivers as shipping lanes again - that's by far your best bang for your buck. But it will take oil to build those mass transit routes and river ports and to build wind farms, etc... I still say, however, that the best ways to conserve energy are the cheapest. Four day work weeks. Staggered work hours so we don't have this 7-9 AM and 4-6 PM rush hour. I see no reason today why any accountant anywhere needs leave home to work. Mass transit. These are the kinds of structural changes we need to get used to. They're just cultural baggage. There's no reason other we can't do these kinds of things today except that we're just not used to it.
PsychoticDan
09-12-2006, 21:57
Oil is dying, and if we continue to try and meet demand with drilling we will only worsen the situation when the shit hits the fan. In my opinion, it should be our goal to cut oil demand by 50% by 2020, and by 90% or more by 2050.

Oh, and I don't think you have to worry about meeting these goals. We'll be meeting them wether we like it or not. ;)
Celtlund
09-12-2006, 22:03
Now, if we can just drill in Anwar and off the coast of California while giving tax credits for alternative energy sources we can tell the middle east to shove their oil up...
Free Soviets
09-12-2006, 22:04
"just one more hit, man. just one more..."
Celtlund
09-12-2006, 22:09
Four day work weeks. Staggered work hours so we don't have this 7-9 AM and 4-6 PM rush hour. I see no reason today why any accountant anywhere needs leave home to work. Mass transit. These are the kinds of structural changes we need to get used to. Their just cultural baggage. There's no reason other we can't do these kinds of things today except that we're just not used to it.

I could do my job just as well from home as I could from the office if the company gave me access to the intranet and a phone line. I'd only have to go the the plant for a couple of hours once a week or less to pick up and return materials to the library. They could even monitor my work hours by my computer log in/log out time.
PsychoticDan
10-12-2006, 00:26
I could do my job just as well from home as I could from the office if the company gave me access to the intranet and a phone line. I'd only have to go the the plant for a couple of hours once a week or less to pick up and return materials to the library. They could even monitor my work hours by my computer log in/log out time.

Or they could go to a production based pay system. Rather than paying you for the hours you work, they pay you for the work you do.
Vetalia
10-12-2006, 00:28
Oh, and I don't think you have to worry about meeting these goals. We'll be meeting them wether we like it or not. ;)

Yeah, and my goal is to meet them voluntarily and ahead of time rather than have them forced upon us. Cutting oil demand on our own may hurt a little, but it would be paradise compared to what PO's going to do if we're unprepared.
PsychoticDan
10-12-2006, 00:41
Yeah, and my goal is to meet them voluntarily and ahead of time rather than have them forced upon us. Cutting oil demand on our own may hurt a little, but it would be paradise compared to what PO's going to do if we're unprepared.

Yeah....


Probably a little too late, though.
Vetalia
10-12-2006, 01:39
Yeah....

Probably a little too late, though.

Hopefully not, but I haven't seen any signs of rising oil production recently.
Evil Woody Thoughts
10-12-2006, 02:22
I voted for all the options because I could...learn how to make polls:D
La Habana Cuba
21-12-2006, 10:13
It's official now that it has passed the House and Senate and
signed by President Bush.

I post this article as a part of it relates to the topic of this thread,
in fact the thread was split into two seperate threads on diffrent topics,
providing it its own space and be able to ask all the related public poll questions
in the article.

Bush signs massive tax and trade bill Wed Dec 20, 5:13 PM ET

WASHINGTON - President Bush revived some 20 tax breaks, extended trade benefits for developing countries and protected doctors from a big cut in Medicare payments by signing sweeping tax and trade legislation Wednesday.

The bill is a patchwork of must-do items that were left for the lame duck Congress. It was bundled together and passed by the House and Senate just before adjourning earlier this month.

"This is a good piece of pro-growth legislation," said Bush, just before putting his signature to the legislation at a White House ceremony.

Republican budget hawks bridled at the measure's approximately $40 billion price tag, and textile state senators objected to trade provisions benefiting Haiti.

The bill would:

_Extend through the end of next year a deduction for research and development initiatives.

_Renew a deduction of up to $4,000 for higher education costs.

_Give tax breaks for teachers who pay for supplies out of their own pockets.

_Let taxpayers deduct state and local sales taxes instead of state and local income taxes, a provision that primarily benefits those in states with no income taxes.

_Open up 8.3 million acres in the Gulf of Mexico to oil and gas drilling, and offer a dozen credits promoting alternative and efficient uses of energy.

_Prevent a 5 percent cut in Medicare payments to doctors from taking effect on Jan. 1.

_Renew, with increased federal contributions, a program to help clean up abandoned coal mines and provide health care for miners who worked for companies that have gone out of business.

_Permanently normalize trade with Vietnam and extend trade benefits for four Andean nations, sub-Saharan African countries and Haiti.

Bush also signed a bill to upgrade and modernize the nation's tsunami warning system, nearly two years after an Indian Ocean tsunami killed some 230,000 people in a dozen countries.

Approved by Congress earlier this month, the legislation is intended to bolster the tsunami detection and warning system in the Pacific Ocean, as well as expand it to any area in the Atlantic and Caribbean considered at risk by federal officials.

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The bills are H.R. 6111 and H.R. 1674