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That is the rapidly appraoching number of US soldiers that will have died in Iraq. So rapid, in fact, that it is likely to be reached before the end of this year. Was it worth it? Nothing and no one can convice me that it was. And now that this sad milestone looms ever closer, I find it incomprehensible that ANYONE can still support it. But, despite all the facts, approval of this war of choice is dwindleing, now down to 27% in recent opinion polls. Literally only 1 in 4 people still approve.

The worst part is that Baker's 'Iraq Survey Group' literally gave the shrub an out, with 78 (78) suggestions on how to not only get out, but to do so in a way that saves face for not only the country, but for himself personally, and he not only didn't take it, HE MADE A SPEECH FLYING DIRECTLY IN THE FACE OF IT!! Which begs the question: What in the f*#k is it going to take to get this man to do the right thing for once in his entire life?!?

This is me giving a damn.

Three words: Serve You Right.

You invade a country, you take the casualties.

This is me giving a damn.

I'm not sure I catch your drift here... Are you saying that you don't give a shit about 3000 soldiers deaths? Or are you saying that you don't care about shrubbie's now obvious divorce from reality?

Three words: Serves You Right.


Corrected.

Three words: Serve You Right.

You invade a country, you take the casualties.



Serves who right? We didn't choose to go to war, the man who stole 2000 made the choice alone.

I'm not sure I catch your drift here... Are you saying that you don't give a shit about 3000 soldiers deaths? Or are you saying that you don't care about shrubbie's now obvious divorce from reality?

Yes and yes.

Serves who right? We didn't choose to go to war, the man who stole 2000 made the choice alone.

And the Iraqis didn't choose to have Saddam as a leader; tough titties.

That is the rapidly appraoching number of US soldiers that will have died in Iraq. So rapid, in fact, that it is likely to be reached before the end of this year. Was it worth it? Nothing and no one can convice me that it was. And now that this sad milestone looms ever closer, I find it incomprehensible that ANYONE can still support it. But, despite all the facts, approval of this war of choice is dwindleing, now down to 27% in recent opinion polls. Literally only 1 in 4 people still approve.

The worst part is that Baker's 'Iraq Survey Group' literally gave the shrub an out, with 78 (78) suggestions on how to not only get out, but to do so in a way that saves face for not only the country, but for himself personally, and he not only didn't take it, HE MADE A SPEECH FLYING DIRECTLY IN THE FACE OF IT!! Which begs the question: What in the f*#k is it going to take to get this man to do the right thing for once in his entire life?!?


It doesn't matter how they leave. The effects will be relatively the same. Chances are they will wait till the Saddam thing is over, or Saddam is forgotten, not that that would happen.

Part of it may be GOP 2008 election strategy. If it is a vote on the war, then the GOP will potentially loose votes. If the war issue is not there, then it means antiwar GOP leaners may be more likely to follow party line,

3000 is only the DEAD.. not casualties.. causualty rates are another matter...

and that is just US troops look at coalition deaths and casualties.. and official iraq civilian and military deaths since 1991 and then look at new iraqi police and military deaths.

It is rather saddening. Think for every 1 us soilder killed your hear about 5 or 10 iraqis.

There does seem to be movement on a policy shift though, I doubt it is a fient... it is just a question about what the internal formation verses regional influence will do.

Sectarian issues and foreign influence appear to be the major yoke but what do you expect in a foreign backed civil war.

nOT LIKELY THEY WILL let it go back de facto saddam, but the alternative seems to be civil war... I geuss it is just the spin they are trying.. that is killing the militant power players, and making sure that they have physical control so they can react against any major dissent..

And the Iraqis didn't choose to have Saddam as a leader; tough titties.

pft. I remember a certain Iraqi election where Saddam had 100% of the vote.


:p

and I like my titties soft, not tough.

3000 dead US-soldiers are bad.

Over 16.000 dead Iraquis make it even worser. But now the mess has started. By backing up you can't help the Iraquis, and after starting this senseless war, it's a moral duty of the USA to help the Iraquis to end this civil war.

pft. I remember a certain Iraqi election where Saddam had 100% of the vote.


:p

and I like my titties soft, not tough.

Yea, and he's the only person on the ballot. Anyone who would opposed him either get injured or killed.

3000 dead US-soldiers are bad.

Over 16.000 dead Iraquis make it even worser. But now the mess has started. By backing up you can't help the Iraquis, and after starting this senseless war, it's a moral duty of the USA to help the Iraquis to end this civil war.

While "over 16,000 dead Iraqis" is technically accurate, it's rather misleading. IIRC, the minimum number of Iraqi deaths is over 50,000, and the actual number is almost certainly over 655,000.

While "over 16,000 dead Iraqis" is technically accurate, it's rather misleading. IIRC, the minimum number of Iraqi deaths is over 50,000, and the actual number is almost certainly over 655,000.


655K? Wow. Thats like...genocide high.

they asked for it.


I have lost better than 10 close friends since 9/11.

The guy that bullied me into marrying my wife died there last christmas when his bradly hit an IED. flipped it over, burnt it out, killed every ma on board. He signed up for a second tour and went, not because he believed in the war, but because he was a soldier. He asked for it.

the men and women who are dying over there- every single damned one of them- raised his hand and swore they would do their utmost to protect their nation. Didn't have a clause that released them in case their President was an idiot. Didn't have a clause that let them out when they were tired.

They asked for, and were sent to...war.

I spent ten dirty crappy years of my life doing it, and I am willing to bet every damn one of them wanted..if not to be there...then at least to do what they could to keep us safe.

Be grateful that they died for you, even if it was wrong. I am a democrat. I have never voted republican, especially while I was in the Army. But I never ran when they told me to go, and those men and women didn't either.

It is your responsibility to vote, so that we don't elect any more idiots. So we don't end up inany more stupid senseless wars. So my friends don't die like dogs in a place they shouldn't have been. Go vote and voice your damned opinions. I am sick to death of people comlaning about this damned war. You don't want us tehre? Why didn't you vote to getthe bastard out two years ago?

You knew he was an idiot the first time and would do this? Well why the hell didn't you vote against him you asshat!


sorry all. I'm just sick of this whole fucking things. It makes my heart ache to hear those numbers tehse days.

well I have to say fass has a point in 10 years time nobody will even give a damn about this war in 15 it will be pretty much forgotten, the only thing that would of changed is there will be more mothers without children and more children missing a parent

oh and short movie film (http://www.bushflash.com/ma.html)

IIRC, the minimum number of Iraqi deaths is over 50,000, and the actual number is almost certainly over 655,000.

The study did not say "almost certainly over 655,000."

650,000 is in the middle - there's a half chance it's higher, and a half chance it's lower.

I am sick to death of people comlaning about this damned war. You don't want us tehre? Why didn't you vote to getthe bastard out two years ago?

You knew he was an idiot the first time and would do this? Well why the hell didn't you vote against him you asshat!

Some of us did.

You knew he was an idiot the first time and would do this? Well why the hell didn't you vote against him you asshat!

sadly the American voting power of NSG is somewhat limited

well I have to say fass has a point in 10 years time nobody will even give a damn about this war in 15 it will be pretty much forgotten, the only thing that would of changed is there will be more mothers without children and more children missing a parent

oh and short movie film (http://www.bushflash.com/ma.html)

I won't have forgot. The families of those who died won't have forgot. Those men and women who are maimed won't have forgot. So I assume you mean "the rest of us who don't really give a shit about anything but ourselves will forget,"

But no, those of us who lost so much because half our country can't tie their own shoelaces and theotherhalf were too damned shitlazy to vote--we won't forget.

Sorry again guys. It just pisses me off so bad to have the very same damned people who were arguing with me six years ago about the shrub and how bad he is---they're the motherfuckers ehre who are whining about our casualties. AND THEY WILL FORGET DAMMIT!


not saying that's you guys, just sort of a pointlessly directed wailing at my crappy country.
I'm sure you all hollared as much as you could, and those who could did vote here. We tend to be loud and empowered, eh?

well I have to say fass has a point in 10 years time nobody will even give a damn about this war in 15 it will be pretty much forgotten, the only thing that would of changed is there will be more mothers without children and more children missing a parent

oh and short movie film (http://www.bushflash.com/ma.html)

That's very true. It's like the Malayan Emergency. That lasted twelve years and involved nearly 100,000 commonwealth soldiers. (34,000 from the UK). But because only a few thousand people died hardly anyone even knows about it, never mind giving a damn.

how many of us fat white westerners talk about the Tsunami? WHich happened a blink of the eye ago and which most people in that region still worry about and talk about and live every damned day...

how many of us fat white westerners talk about the Tsunami? WHich happened a blink of the eye ago and which most people in that region still worry about and talk about and live every damned day...

too much if you ask me, that was nearly 2 years ago when its a fact that 25,000 people die of starvation every day and that a child dies from starvation every 5 seconds

The only reason we through such a fit over the tsunami was that there where a few white tourists there

It's our attention span problem. Remember that flap when Isreal invaded Lebanon and such for a bit this summer? More people are killed in the congo every day than in the entirety of the Isreal/Lebanon thing, but no-one gives a crap.

this is true as well. But if we suddenly up and start feeding those little jiggaboos and giving them AIDS medicine and condoms...they'll all jist get sinnin and make more little jiggaboos and we'll have em asking to move HERE

*turns pale*

cain't have none of that can we?


America--show yur card at the door.

It's our attention span problem. Remember that flap when Israel invaded Lebanon and such for a bit this summer? More people are killed in the Congo every day than in the entirety of the Israel/Lebanon thing, but no-one gives a crap.

Starvation isn't an exciting way to die. That's why the media doesn't make a big fuss about it.

Starvation isn't an exciting way to die. That's why the media doesn't make a big fuss about it.
It will be when it happens on Survivor.

Starvation isn't an exciting way to die. That's why the media doesn't make a big fuss about it.

They aren't starving in the congo. It's a civil war. Of course if we paid attention to it, people might have to stop buying diamonds, and that's not going to happen.

It will be when it happens on Survivor.

That would actually make me watch that show.

That is the rapidly appraoching number of US soldiers that will have died in Iraq. So rapid, in fact, that it is likely to be reached before the end of this year. Was it worth it? Nothing and no one can convice me that it was. And now that this sad milestone looms ever closer, I find it incomprehensible that ANYONE can still support it. But, despite all the facts, approval of this war of choice is dwindleing, now down to 27% in recent opinion polls. Literally only 1 in 4 people still approve.

I think that the only people still supporting it are those too proud to admit they were wrong.

The study did not say "almost certainly over 655,000."

650,000 is in the middle - there's a half chance it's higher, and a half chance it's lower.
What is this study you speak of?

The only reason we through such a fit over the tsunami was that there where a few white tourists there
Speaking for yourself?

this is true as well. But if we suddenly up and start feeding those little jiggaboos and giving them AIDS medicine and condoms...they'll all jist get sinnin and make more little jiggaboos and we'll have em asking to move HERE

*turns pale*

cain't have none of that can we?


America--show yur card at the door.


wtf?

What is this study you speak of?

The Lancet study published a few months ago comparing pre-war mortality rates to post-war mortality rates.

The study did not say "almost certainly over 655,000."

650,000 is in the middle - there's a half chance it's higher, and a half chance it's lower.

I'm referring to the period of time that has passed. The deviation was rather small, if I remember correctly. Assuming the death rate has remained constant, it would have passed 650,000 by now.

wtf?



sarcasm dude--all just sarcasm. We fat white westerners can[t remember what day it is, much less how many children are dying in...where was that? And if we save them...then we have to deal withthem wanting a better life. WHich of course means coming here. And you have seen how we're whinging on about our illegal immigration right?:rolleyes: