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http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,453185,00.html

Muslim Cop Sues New York Over Anti-Muslim E-Mail
By Yassin Musharbash

"Burning the hate-filled Koran should be viewed as a public service at the least." Hundreds of such e-mails were sent to police by a former CIA agent advising the NYPD on counterterrorism issues. Now a Muslim undercover agent is filing a lawsuit.

The man is a hero in the struggle against Islamic terrorism. He's even got it in writing: The city of New York awarded him a Certificate of Outstanding Duty for his "heroic efforts following the World Trade Center disaster."

But the man -- a police captain -- hasn't been treated like a hero. For more than three years, he has been harassed and insulted by some of his colleagues and superiors at the "Cyber Unit" of the New York Police Department (NYPD). It seems they couldn't believe that an Arab Muslim could fight to defend America's security and combat al-Qaida and other terrorist organizations.

He and other Muslim police officers were excluded from meetings whenever important information was discussed. "All Arabs are animals," one of his superiors told him. The "Cyber Unit" monitors jihadist Web sites and writes risk analyses based on the online exchanges between terrorism supporters. One day, the officer found an email printout on his desk with the subject line: "Al-Qaida Recruits Through the Internet."

Radical Islam? No such thing...

But the e-mails the police officer received were worse. Over several years, a counterterrorism and intelligence advisor to the NYPD sent thousands of them to hundreds of policemen charged with anti-terrorism tasks. Many of these e-mails were explicitly anti-Arab and anti-Muslim.

A mail circulated on Oct. 10, 2003 contained the following, for example: "What happens when a Muslim must choose between the Koran (God's word) and loyalty to America? If he's a good Muslim he can't be a good American." On Oct. 1, 2004, the counterterrorism advisor forwarded an article titled "1 in 4 Hold Anti-Muslim Views" by bulk e-mail, adding: "Then 1 in 4 is well informed."

On Nov. 21, 2004, the Muslim police officer read the following: "Radical Islam? There is no such thing... Just Islam."

An e-mail sent on Jan. 1, 2005 featured the statement: "This is not a war against terrorism... it is against ISLAM and we are not winning."

A Jan. 29, 2005 e-mail read: "Someone would have to be blind, stupid, or ignorant to think Islam is a religion (as opposed to a fascist political ideology.)."

An e-mail sent on May 19, 2005 proclaimed that the Koran is a "hostile manifesto of barbaric and fascistic ideology."

And an e-mail sent on June 1, 2005 stated: "Burning the hate-filled Koran should be viewed as a public service at the least."

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It looks like there's a bit of an issue with the organisational culture of New York's anti-terror establishment. Do you think this is common in other anti-terror units as well? Even on the federal level?

"What happens when a Muslim must choose between the Koran (God's word) and loyalty to America? If he's a good Muslim he can't be a good American."

That's almsot exactly what they used to say about the Irish and the Pope.

Wow, is this the actual police station thats sending these emails? Or is it some random guy?

If it was the P.D. then he definitely has a case: job discrimination

"What happens when a Muslim must choose between the Koran (God's word) and loyalty to America? If he's a good Muslim he can't be a good American.""What happens when a Christian must choose between the Bible (God's word) and loyalty to America? If he's a good Christian he can't be a good American."

That's almsot exactly what they used to say about the Irish and the Pope.

And the Irish lobby has been stuffing up foreign policy for the past 50 years. So maybe there's a point to that.

And the Irish lobby has been stuffing up foreign policy for the past 50 years. So maybe there's a point to that.

What have they been stuffing it with? Lucky Charms?

That's almsot exactly what they used to say about the Irish and the Pope.

The Irish proved it wasn't true. Moslems have yet to do so. I'm not holding my breath on that one.

Yet another reason why I hate New York.

What short-sited dumbass cops. They should be relieved of their duties.

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It looks like there's a bit of an issue with the organisational culture of New York's anti-terror establishment. Do you think this is common in other anti-terror units as well? Even on the federal level?

Funny... I live in NY. Nothing on this appeared in any newspaper that I know of, nor was it on radio and television. This sounds pretty iffy to me.

Funny... I live in NY. Nothing on this appeared in any newspaper that I know of, nor was it on radio and television. This sounds pretty iffy to me.

Der Spiegal is usually trustworthy, but that is strange.....

Update: I found another site
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1165327543838&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout
While admittedly bias, at least this corroborates Der Spiegal's story.

Got another one:
http://ny.metro.us/metro/local/ap/NY_Terror_Bias_Suit.html

I'm not exactly shocked that many in the government and law enforcement view the so called "war on terror" as a war on Muslims as whole. Disturbed, but not shocked.

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It looks like there's a bit of an issue with the organisational culture of New York's anti-terror establishment. Do you think this is common in other anti-terror units as well? Even on the federal level?

There are good Muslims and bad muslims. New Yahkers saw the bad muslims at their best on 9/11. They hold grudges for a long time. Give it a millenium or so.

OR the local Mosque can buy 50 truckloads of free beer and randomly give it out to NYCers. That'll buy some friendship.

I'm not exactly shocked that many in the government and law enforcement view the so called "war on terror" as a war on Muslims as whole. Disturbed, but not shocked.

Well, the 19 highjackers WERE muslim men. Hard to blame them.

They hold grudges for a long time. Give it a millenium or so.
Nope. Hardly an excuse for this sort of bullshit.

At some point people need to stop hiding behind 9/11 or anything else "they" do.

Well, the 19 highjackers WERE muslim men. Hard to blame them.

no its not really. This is discrimination, plain and simple. And I don't accept that the men that hijacked those planes were Muslim. I don't accept them as part of the community. If they were real Muslims they would have not done it. Thats like saying since the IRA bombed people, we should mock Christians and monitor chruches because they represent most Christians.

There are good Muslims and bad muslims. New Yahkers saw the bad muslims at their best on 9/11. They hold grudges for a long time. Give it a millenium or so.

OR the local Mosque can buy 50 truckloads of free beer and randomly give it out to NYCers. That'll buy some friendship.

:rolleyes: It was nice while you were gone.

There are good Muslims and bad muslims. New Yahkers saw the bad muslims at their best on 9/11. They hold grudges for a long time. Give it a millenium or so.



The problem is not of the nature of 'good muslims vs. bad muslims' . IT is of Muslims themselves, in general.
It is fundamental to Islam to either offer the POW's Islam (the one true religion), or they may become DHIMI (second class citizens) , or they may be killed, or expelled. Isn't that what I have read from the Q'aran?

Isn't that what I have read from the Q'aran? [sic]
Which has to do this anti-terror police officer how?

Which has to do this anti-terror police [sic]officer how?

It has to do with your smelly minge. Eat it. youself.

The radicalism of a few foreign peoples is no excuse to usurp the rights of your nations populace!

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That made remarkably little sense.

no its not really. This is discrimination, plain and simple. And I don't accept that the men that hijacked those planes were Muslim. I don't accept them as part of the community. If they were real Muslims they would have not done it. Thats like saying since the IRA bombed people, we should mock Christians and monitor chruches because they represent most Christians.

ahhh, no true scotsman, know it well.

The best cure for cognitive dissonance!

The radicalism of a few foreign peoples is no excuse to usurp the rights of your nations populace!

that part actually made sense :eek:

and its sad really Al Qaeda is winning as western ideas of freedom are eroded everyday

that part actually made sense :eek:

and its sad really Al Qaeda is winning as western ideas of freedom are eroded everyday

Only because people are willing to give up their rights to hide from dark-skinned people in fear. If we stood as a nation and decided to go about our daily lives - gasp - without the police spying on everyone and the president wiping his ass with our rights, then the terrorists wouldn't have anything to work with, would they?

The Irish proved it wasn't true. Moslems have yet to do so. I'm not holding my breath on that one.
The cop in question proves it.
The man is a hero in the struggle against Islamic terrorism. He's even got it in writing: The city of New York awarded him a Certificate of Outstanding Duty for his "heroic efforts following the World Trade Center disaster."

The cop in question proves it.

Agreed!

In my opinion, unless you have talked to every single muslim on Earth, you have no right to make generalizations about muslims.

It has to do with your smelly minge. Eat it. youself.

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But it's not the first time that Bruce Tefft, the former CIA agent......, is being criticized for his views on Islam.
He already attracted public attention in October of 2004, when he participated in a panel discussion at the University of Toronto on jihad and global terrorism. "Islamic terrorism is based on Islam as revealed through the Qu'ran," he said then, according to the paper Canadian Jewish News. During the discussion, Tefft admitted there might be moderate Muslims but insisted that Islam itself is immoderate. "There is no difference between Islam and Islamic fundamentalism, which is a totalitarian construct," Tefft said.

Makes you wonder about the employment standards of the CIA. Unless of course it's things like this that are behind him being a former agent.

Well, the 19 highjackers WERE muslim men. Hard to blame them.

Back when the IRA were active, their members were publically Catholic. So you're saying it'd be alright (back then) to discriminate against the Irish on that basis?

Tefft admitted there might be moderate Muslims but insisted that Islam itself is immoderate. "There is no difference between Islam and Islamic fundamentalism, which is a totalitarian construct," Tefft said.

I'd agree with that.

Back when the IRA were active, their members were publically Catholic. So you're saying it'd be alright (back then) to discriminate against the Irish on that basis?

apart from its protestant members of course....

but your point is broadly correct

I'd agree with that.You're speaking as though you actually had any authority on that matter...

The Irish proved it wasn't true. Moslems have yet to do so. I'm not holding my breath on that one.

According to who---you? Since when are you in a position to judge who has and has not "proven" they're good Americans? It's that type of arrogance that makes citizens of other countries view all Americans as judgmental and stupid.

And I know you don't care what they think----good "American" that you are. I do care, as it affects the ability of my family, friends and I to travel abroad in safety.

And its "Muslims," by the way. I'm Christian, and have enough respect for other religions and cultures to at least be able to spell it properly.

The problem is not of the nature of 'good muslims vs. bad muslims' . IT is of Muslims themselves, in general.
It is fundamental to Islam to either offer the POW's Islam (the one true religion), or they may become DHIMI (second class citizens) , or they may be killed, or expelled. Isn't that what I have read from the Q'aran?

I love how the intolerant presume to speak on matters that they clearly don't understand. I'm a Christian, and still understand enough about the Islamic faith to know that your interpretation is incorrect.

Now go back to Idaho and leave intelligent conversation to the adults, please.


:sniper:

The NYPD is a historically racist organization. This is hardly a surprise.

Do you think this is common in other anti-terror units as well? Even on the federal level?

I would not be surprised if it is.

You're speaking as though you actually had any authority on that matter...

As a member of the human race, I believe I do.

That's almsot exactly what they used to say about the Irish and the Pope.

They said it about Kennedy when he became President.

As a member of the human race, I believe I do.Silly, since when has being a human made anyone an expert in anything?

As a member of the human race, I believe I do.

Then you believe wrong. Being a human being does not make you an expert on Islam.

The Irish proved it wasn't true. Moslems have yet to do so. I'm not holding my breath on that one.

alright racist boy kind of aproves of the irish.
*does jig*

no its not really. This is discrimination, plain and simple. And I don't accept that the men that hijacked those planes were Muslim. I don't accept them as part of the community. If they were real Muslims they would have not done it. Thats like saying since the IRA bombed people, we should mock Christians and monitor chruches because they represent most Christians.

irish people in england recieved plentyful abuse from police and airport security. luckily its less now due to our islam distraction.
i'm actaully waiting to see what would happend if r.ira and some islamic group got to gether on a joint assault. p.ira have already got to gether with islamic terror groups but for opposite reasons.

The NYPD is a historically racist organization. This is hardly a surprise.

hey unforunately.
wasnt the nypd a haven for the irish?

hey unforunately.
wasnt the nypd a haven for the irish?

Sure and the Polish as well I believe. But it is no longer cool to hate the paddies. Have to hate blacks and hispanics now.

hey unforunately.
wasnt the nypd a haven for the irish?
I've heard we did well in the FBI too. Though I heard it in a Tom Clancy novel, so how true it is is debatable.
Sure and the Polish as well I believe. But it is no longer cool to hate the paddies. Have to hate blacks and hispanics now.

It's so hard to keep up with who to hate these days.

It's so hard to keep up with who to hate these days.

people should come together through understanding and love. ignor minior details such as race and religion. the human race should unite together on eliminating the true evils in society, creationists and pikies!

people should come together through understanding and love. ignor minior details such as race and religion. the human race should unite together on eliminating the true evils in society, creationists and pikies!

And the ultimate evil. Creationist Pikeys *dun dun dun*

And the ultimate evil. Creationist Pikeys *dun dun dun*

No oppressin the travellin peeple.....Its the skanger bastards that have to go....

No oppressin the travellin peeple.....Its the skanger bastards that have to go....

skangers are easier to track. however i dont strong oppose the clensing of skangers. but they can magically regrow thier numbers.

Thats true. Though unsightly and junkie-ish they are well up in the breeding stakes....

Ok, I recently found out what a pikey is, now what is a skanger?