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Buy A Smaller Condom!

Eve Online
08-12-2006, 21:12
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061208/od_afp/healthindiacondoms_061208113212

NEW DELHI (AFP) - Indian men's penises do not match international sizes and most condoms on sale in the country are too big, according to a medical study.

The Indian Council of Medical Research, the country's top health research institute, found 60 percent of men in Mumbai had penises at least 2.4 centimeters (one inch) shorter than international condom sizes, The Times of India newspaper said Friday.

For 30 percent, the gap was five centimeters (two inches), said a researcher quoted in the article headlined "Indian men don't measure up".

Out of curiosity, I wonder how other nationalities measure up?

Now, we can't expect honest answers from the men on the forum, since they can't post pics, but we might be able to ask some of the women what they've seen...
Khadgar
08-12-2006, 21:14
Black guys are biggest.
White guys are middle ground.
Asians and apparently Indians are smaller.

Seriously, it's not that big a deal. Honestly a huge dick would be more of an annoyance than anything.
Smunkeeville
08-12-2006, 21:14
uh....what's the point of the thread again?
Farnhamia
08-12-2006, 21:14
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061208/od_afp/healthindiacondoms_061208113212



Out of curiosity, I wonder how other nationalities measure up?

Now, we can't expect honest answers from the men on the forum, since they can't post pics, but we might be able to ask some of the women what they've seen...

I did read that the testicles of the Danes are the weightiest and those of the Chinese the lightest. Couldn't speak to the penis sizes prevalent in South Asia. Anyway, it's been over 30 years since I've seen a live adult one, so ...
Farnhamia
08-12-2006, 21:15
uh....what's the point of the thread again?

DCD is at lunch and someone has to bring up silly news.
Khadgar
08-12-2006, 21:16
uh....what's the point of the thread again?

To pontificate on the glories of penises from 'round the world. An attempt, more likely, to reassure the men of NSG that they could move to India and be a porn star.
Farnhamia
08-12-2006, 21:17
To pontificate on the glories of penises from 'round the world. An attempt, more likely, to reassure the men of NSG that they could move to India and be a porn star.

Ha! They may take our high-tech jobs, but American men can still make their women go :eek:
Smunkeeville
08-12-2006, 21:17
To pontificate on the glories of penises from 'round the world. An attempt, more likely, to reassure the men of NSG that they could move to India and be a porn star.

I never understood the whole "my penis is big" thing that guys get into.....really don't care, I mean there are more important things than that.
Khadgar
08-12-2006, 21:19
I never understood the whole "my penis is big" thing that guys get into.....really don't care, I mean there are more important things than that.

Don't ask me, if you'll pardon the pun a big dick is a pain in the ass.
Smunkeeville
08-12-2006, 21:20
Don't ask me, if you'll pardon the pun a big dick is a pain in the ass.

and the pun rings true either way you want to take it.
Holyawesomeness
08-12-2006, 21:22
I am so sending this news article to all of the Indian guys I know. Thankfully, I don't know any that are too close by.
Grave_n_idle
08-12-2006, 21:22
and the pun rings true either way you want to take it.

:o

Indeed - on a second read, I believe :o x 2!
Khadgar
08-12-2006, 21:24
and the pun rings true either way you want to take it.

Punning a pun. :eek:

Now I need to stop giggling.
Branin
08-12-2006, 21:24
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/4000/catinternetwn9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Wallonochia
08-12-2006, 21:31
Don't ask me, if you'll pardon the pun a big dick is a pain in the ass.

That's the funniest thing I've read in days.
Compulsive Depression
08-12-2006, 21:31
What difference does the length of the condom relative to the penis make? You just unroll what you need... Surely it's the diameter that actually matters for fitting purposes?

I hope you'll all excuse me for writing a serious response to this.
New Xero Seven
08-12-2006, 21:33
Penis is a penis is a penis is a penis. :)
Marrakech II
08-12-2006, 21:34
Penis is a penis is a penis is a penis. :)

That's like saying all vaginas are the same. It just aint so.
Khadgar
08-12-2006, 21:36
Well most condoms are made for men who fall in the 5-6 inch range. If these fellows are falling an inch or two short, ahem, well that's worded badly. Any rate if these fellows are a bit smaller it is likely they're a bit thin also.
[NS]Trilby63
08-12-2006, 21:36
and the pun rings true either way you want to take it.

Hail Smunkee! Pun Queen!
Ifreann
08-12-2006, 21:41
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/NuGo1988/fasterdl.jpg
Smunkeeville
08-12-2006, 21:41
:o

Indeed - on a second read, I believe :o x 2!

Punning a pun. :eek:

Now I need to stop giggling.

Trilby63;12056632']Hail Smunkee! Pun Queen!

:p

I am so glad you guys caught that, I was beginning to lose faith in humanity...
New Xero Seven
08-12-2006, 21:42
That's like saying all vaginas are the same. It just aint so.

No, I meant penis as in a penis is a penis.
That means that penises are penises are penises.
Like you can't judge a penis by the fact that its a penis when really its a penis, you know?
Penis is simply a way of defining penis which is indeed a penis.
Khadgar
08-12-2006, 21:44
:p

I am so glad you guys caught that, I was beginning to lose faith in humanity...

We're all doomed to pun hell:

http://www.squidi.net/comic/tales/view.php?ep=4&id=12
Neesika
08-12-2006, 21:47
Ukrainian guys are hung... to the point where it becomes a problem.

Latinos range, but tend to be on the small side. But they also tend to be among the best lovers I've had anyway.

I am sad to say that so far I've never had the pleasure of romping with a black, or an Asian guy :(

Native guys tend to be on the big side.

Everyone else I've encountered has been 'average'.

Except for the guys who were almost too big, size was never really an issue, and it certainly wasn't any indication about how good a lover the guy was.
Seangoli
08-12-2006, 21:49
Black guys are biggest.
White guys are middle ground.
Asians and apparently Indians are smaller.

Seriously, it's not that big a deal. Honestly a huge dick would be more of an annoyance than anything.

I've heard the analogy that massive dicks are digging at the bottom of the barrel, so to speak. That is, you can only go so far before you start hitting the bottom.
Dinaverg
08-12-2006, 21:50
Ukrainian guys are hung... to the point where it becomes a problem.

I knew there had to be a positive benefit to Chernobyl.
Neesika
08-12-2006, 21:52
I knew there had to be a positive benefit to Chernobyl.

*chokes on apple*

Why did I never think of cracking that joke at the time?

Kehehehehehee...

In the Prairies, people of German and Ukrainian decent are usually among the 'most landed' of the immigrants to Cree country :D
Farnhamia
08-12-2006, 21:53
I've heard the analogy that massive dicks are digging at the bottom of the barrel, so to speak. That is, you can only go so far before you start hitting the bottom.

Ahem ... yes, given the fact that on average a human vagina is only 4 inches deep. Of course, being versatile and special, it's stretchy, so it can accomodate the occasional Ukrainian or Native American. But basically, if you have six or seven or, goodness! more inches, a lot of that is going to go to waste.
Khadgar
08-12-2006, 21:55
The vagina also swells considerably when a woman is aroused granting more depth.
Aelosia
08-12-2006, 21:59
Caucasians are bigger than blacks, blacks are bigger than latinos, and latinos are bigger than asian.

Yet, I stay with latinos. After all, it's not the size of the boat what matters, but the movement of the waves. Not how strong is the wind, but how gentle it passes by. Not how high is the tree, but how beautiful are the flowers, or how juicy is the fruit.

Oh, and width is more important than length, in any case.
Neesika
08-12-2006, 22:00
The vagina also swells considerably when a woman is aroused granting more depth.

Yeah...sometimes seven inches is too much, and sometimes 11 is just fine. So the men who are really hung just have to put that extra work into ensuring arousal in their partner...which is great and all, but sometimes it means that a 'quickie' has to be a 'slowey'. Well and I won't even get into where those guys are LEAST likely to get into.
Neesika
08-12-2006, 22:00
Oh, and width is more important than length, in any case.

For sure.
Ifreann
08-12-2006, 22:02
*waves genitals at thread*
What? Someone had to do it.
Neesika
08-12-2006, 22:02
"Don't worry Mr. Bush...you're still the biggest dick of them all!"
Branin
08-12-2006, 22:03
*waves genitals at thread*
What? Someone had to do it.

:headbang:
RomeW
08-12-2006, 23:10
Ahem ... yes, given the fact that on average a human vagina is only 4 inches deep. Of course, being versatile and special, it's stretchy, so it can accomodate the occasional Ukrainian or Native American. But basically, if you have six or seven or, goodness! more inches, a lot of that is going to go to waste.

Isn't the G-Spot three and a half inches deep anyway? That's what a female friend of mine once told me.
Farnhamia
08-12-2006, 23:25
Isn't the G-Spot three and a half inches deep anyway? That's what a female friend of mine once told me.

Ah ... I'm going home now, I'll get out the ol' ruler and let you know. :eek: Goodness, I'm blushing! lol!
Greater Trostia
08-12-2006, 23:33
I'm not gonna touch this topic with a ten foot pole.
Moosle
08-12-2006, 23:38
I'm not gonna touch this topic with a ten foot pole.

::Topic pokes you::
Outcast Jesuits
08-12-2006, 23:38
This is just scary...why have I been lurking?
Johnny B Goode
09-12-2006, 00:01
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061208/od_afp/healthindiacondoms_061208113212



Out of curiosity, I wonder how other nationalities measure up?

Now, we can't expect honest answers from the men on the forum, since they can't post pics, but we might be able to ask some of the women what they've seen...

Wow, shit. I'm Indian ethnically, and I have a small dick. No idea it was a trend. Heh heh. I think I got the record for smallest. :)
Amarenthe
09-12-2006, 00:44
Isn't the G-Spot three and a half inches deep anyway? That's what a female friend of mine once told me.

2-3 inches in.

The vagina is usually 3-4.5 inches, but can elongate up to another 150%, so 8-10 inches ish. However, only the first third has nerve endings anyway, so length really doesn't make much of a difference - except that if a woman isn't fully aroused, or the penis is too long still, it hits the cervix, which freaking HURTS. (In theory, the vagina is supposed to elongate past the cervix, but that doesn't always happen, and due to angles, the cervix usually ends up getting hit.)

My boyfriend and I have had long conversations on this subject. He was listening to a group of guys talk about penis sizes, and was going to jump in and tell them they're worrying about nothing, but he wanted to confirm with me first. ;)
Pure Metal
09-12-2006, 00:50
2-3 inches in.

The vagina is usually 3-4.5 inches, but can elongate up to another 150%, so 8-10 inches ish. However, only the first third has nerve endings anyway, so length really doesn't make much of a difference - except that if a woman isn't fully aroused, or the penis is too long still, it hits the cervix, which freaking HURTS. (In theory, the vagina is supposed to elongate past the cervix, but that doesn't always happen, and due to angles, the cervix usually ends up getting hit.)

My boyfriend and I have had long conversations on this subject. He was listening to a group of guys talk about penis sizes, and was going to jump in and tell them they're worrying about nothing, but he wanted to confirm with me first. ;)

i've always worried about size, but my gf does seem to be most happy, so why worry? :)
Posi
09-12-2006, 00:53
i've always worried about size, but my gf does seem to be most happy, so why worry? :)

Because she can be most most happy.[/is dick]
Pure Metal
09-12-2006, 00:55
Because she can be most most happy.[/is dick]

i'm working on it :p
always room for improvement (forgive terrible pun ;))
Rainbowwws
09-12-2006, 00:57
Ukrainian guys are hung... to the point where it becomes a problem.

Latinos range, but tend to be on the small side. But they also tend to be among the best lovers I've had anyway.

I am sad to say that so far I've never had the pleasure of romping with a black, or an Asian guy :(

Native guys tend to be on the big side.

Everyone else I've encountered has been 'average'.

Except for the guys who were almost too big, size was never really an issue, and it certainly wasn't any indication about how good a lover the guy was.

So how big of a population did you sample?
Amarenthe
09-12-2006, 01:02
i've always worried about size, but my gf does seem to be most happy, so why worry? :)

My boyfriend jokes about being very proud of being longer than average, but in seriousness, he knows it's not actually a big deal.
Xenophobialand
09-12-2006, 02:17
What difference does the length of the condom relative to the penis make? You just unroll what you need... Surely it's the diameter that actually matters for fitting purposes?

I hope you'll all excuse me for writing a serious response to this.

If you don't fully unroll it, it makes it easier to slide off during thrusting. Similar things also happen if you're too large for the condom: thrust too deeply, and you'll roll it back off.

That being said, most of the reported problems are tears, not slides, which isn't caused by, shall we say, lack of amplitude, but by lack of foreplay and use of lubricant (as well as using condoms that are too old).
Neesika
09-12-2006, 02:18
So how big of a population did you sample?

Well I'm still sampling, and I don't really keep count.

Oh, I forgot to mention that I actually dated an East-Indian guy for a while...a very nice Muslim boy in fact. And compared to other guys, he really wasn't lacking in size.
New Stalinberg
09-12-2006, 02:38
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/4000/catinternetwn9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

That cat looks a lot by my cat! :eek: Maincoons kick ass.
Harlesburg
09-12-2006, 02:44
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/4000/catinternetwn9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Not you too!:eek:
Actually Hell Rok showed me a funny one.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v630/harlesburg/OzflyodmobraPst.png

I have the biggest E-penis here!
Transcendant Pilgrims
09-12-2006, 03:06
CAUCasian ?!? I don't even know 'er!!
(see I can be punny too!:rolleyes:)

6 1/2" I swear!
Neesika
09-12-2006, 03:12
Seriously...size doesn't matter. You know what really matters? Not 'blowing it' too soon. That's a pretty common occurence, unfortunately, regardless of size.
TaoTai
09-12-2006, 03:13
2-3 inches in.
:(
The vagina is usually 3-4.5 inches, but can elongate up to another 150%, so 8-10 inches ish. However, only the first third has nerve endings anyway, so length really doesn't make much of a difference - except that if a woman isn't fully aroused, or the penis is too long still, it hits the cervix, which freaking HURTS. *snip*
now you've got me all worried :( my seven inches could be a bad thing? :confused: but it should be fine and dandy with enough of my irresistible charm :fluffle:
Infinite Revolution
09-12-2006, 03:27
i'm reliably informed that size does matter. but only in the same way that pussy tightness matters, i.e. not at all til you get down to it, and then you work with what you find and have a good time anyway (if you're good). and all guys worrying about length are fools cuz it's girth that matters. a friend of mine says that if it's knocking on the kidneys it's too long.
New Domici
09-12-2006, 03:42
I did read that the testicles of the Danes are the weightiest and those of the Chinese the lightest. Couldn't speak to the penis sizes prevalent in South Asia. Anyway, it's been over 30 years since I've seen a live adult one, so ...

So that's why they called those dogs Great Danes.
New Xero Seven
09-12-2006, 03:48
I don't fit into any racial stereotypes! Muhuwahaha! :eek:
Kyronea
09-12-2006, 04:11
DCD is at lunch and someone has to bring up silly news.

That should be your job, though.

As for dick size...mine is average, in case anyone wanted to be burdened with that unfortunate information. I'd just as soon give it up for a vagina and a pair of boobies though. (Yet another way to scare people by mentioning my wanting to be female. Oooh, I wonder what the Fox News team would say about that...)
Dinaverg
09-12-2006, 04:28
That should be your job, though.

As for dick size...mine is average, in case anyone wanted to be burdened with that unfortunate information. I'd just as soon give it up for a vagina and a pair of boobies though. (Yet another way to scare people by mentioning my wanting to be female. Oooh, I wonder what the Fox News team would say about that...)

It doesn't really scare me, it just makes me wonder if you'd be a hot woman.
Kyronea
09-12-2006, 04:33
It doesn't really scare me, it just makes me wonder if you'd be a hot woman.

I don't know. Maybe I would, maybe I wouldn't. We'd have to either wait for nanite technology to progress to the point to where such surgery is flawless or look to an alternate universe to find out, I suspect.
United Chicken Kleptos
09-12-2006, 04:35
Mine is seven inches. Is that long?
Dinaverg
09-12-2006, 04:44
Mine is seven inches. Is that long?

lolmine is 14 is tat big????lolol??
Dinaverg
09-12-2006, 04:46
Mine is seven inches. Is that long?

lolmine is 14 is tat big????lolol??

Nothing personal, I've just been itching to do that.
Vetalia
09-12-2006, 04:48
lolmine is 14 is tat big????lolol??

LOLDONGS
United Chicken Kleptos
09-12-2006, 04:51
lolmine is 14 is tat big????lolol??

Is that a yes?
Kyronea
09-12-2006, 04:53
LOLDONGS

...

Vetalia...my respect for you is starting to decrease...how could you disappoint me so? :(
Vetalia
09-12-2006, 04:54
...

Vetalia...my respect for you is starting to decrease...how could you disappoint me so? :(

The internet has corrupted me.
Kyronea
09-12-2006, 04:57
The internet has corrupted me.

That is not fair. Not fair at all.
Vetalia
09-12-2006, 04:59
That is not fair. Not fair at all.

Next time you see me, I'll be trolling Habbo and posting on /b/.
Amarenthe
09-12-2006, 06:13
now you've got me all worried :( my seven inches could be a bad thing? :confused: but it should be fine and dandy with enough of my irresistible charm :fluffle:

I doubt seven inches is too long, don't worry. I tend to think that problems don't start occuring until beyond that... though it's all a matter of individual women and what they prefer/how they're built/etc. And really, it just means making suuuuuure you draw out the foreplay, which is always a good thing. :p

This is great, though. It's rare that I encounter guys worrying that they're TOO big. ;)
Kryozerkia
09-12-2006, 06:31
I never understood the whole "my penis is big" thing that guys get into.....really don't care, I mean there are more important things than that.
Not when it takes all the blood to work either organ. ;)
Maraque
09-12-2006, 06:43
Middle Eastern guys have big ones I've noticed. :)
New Xero Seven
09-12-2006, 07:17
Middle Eastern guys have big ones I've noticed. :)

Doomed, yet again. :eek:
SHAOLIN9
09-12-2006, 09:19
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/NuGo1988/fasterdl.jpg

*shakes fist*

Damn you I wanted to post that. :mad:

*grumbles something about having a real life now and not spending as much time here and missing perfect oppurtunity for pics*

although......

http://www.roweysvn.net/Uploads/penis%20bigger.jpg

:D
Neu Leonstein
09-12-2006, 09:43
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/4000/catinternetwn9.jpg
http://www.schildersmilies.de/noschild/laughoutloud.gif

LolĀ³!
The Potato Factory
09-12-2006, 09:57
Ukrainian guys are hung... to the point where it becomes a problem.

In the Prairies, people of German and Ukrainian decent are usually among the 'most landed' of the immigrants to Cree country :D

Yay!
RomeW
09-12-2006, 11:01
Ah ... I'm going home now, I'll get out the ol' ruler and let you know. :eek: Goodness, I'm blushing! lol!

*slightly embarassed* Didn't mean to make you blush there...I'm only the messenger.

I, for one, never had problems finding it or hitting it. Not sure about distances though.

2-3 inches in.

The vagina is usually 3-4.5 inches, but can elongate up to another 150%, so 8-10 inches ish. However, only the first third has nerve endings anyway, so length really doesn't make much of a difference - except that if a woman isn't fully aroused, or the penis is too long still, it hits the cervix, which freaking HURTS. (In theory, the vagina is supposed to elongate past the cervix, but that doesn't always happen, and due to angles, the cervix usually ends up getting hit.)

My boyfriend and I have had long conversations on this subject. He was listening to a group of guys talk about penis sizes, and was going to jump in and tell them they're worrying about nothing, but he wanted to confirm with me first. ;)

Makes me wonder...if there's such a thing as *too long* of a penis, how come that gene has lasted for so long? Sounds like evolution would wipe that out quickly.
Tsaraine
09-12-2006, 11:21
Penile length is apparently one of the great mysteries of primate studies, as it's entirely unrelated to testicular size (chimpanzees have the largest testicles of any primate, and very small phalluses) or body mass (gorillas have both very small testicles and small penises).

One of the theories I've heard of is that penile length is a status indicator among males, like big horns on a stag. It explains why males are so concerned about having a long penis, while women don't care so much.

Jared Diamond's The Third Chimpanzee is a good book on hominid evolution and other related matters of the human condition, and the information above comes from that source. Unless it comes from elsewhere and I've forgotten.
Harlesburg
09-12-2006, 11:22
lolmine is 14 is tat big????lolol??
My other penis is a vagina
*shakes fist*

Damn you I wanted to post that. :mad:

*grumbles something about having a real life now and not spending as much time here and missing perfect oppurtunity for pics*

although......

http://www.roweysvn.net/Uploads/penis%20bigger.jpg

:D
You're not taking into accountthat i said this.:p
Not you too!:eek:
Actually Hell Rok showed me a funny one.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v630/harlesburg/OzflyodmobraPst.png

I have the biggest E-penis here!
Lunatic Goofballs
09-12-2006, 11:39
Penile length is apparently one of the great mysteries of primate studies, as it's entirely unrelated to testicular size (chimpanzees have the largest testicles of any primate, and very small phalluses) or body mass (gorillas have both very small testicles and small penises).

One of the theories I've heard of is that penile length is a status indicator among males, like big horns on a stag. It explains why males are so concerned about having a long penis, while women don't care so much.

Jared Diamond's The Third Chimpanzee is a good book on hominid evolution and other related matters of the human condition, and the information above comes from that source. Unless it comes from elsewhere and I've forgotten.

Nutty. I have unusually large testicles, but an average sized penis. Maybe I'm a chimpanzee. :)
Harlesburg
09-12-2006, 11:47
Nutty. I have unusually large testicles, but an average sized penis. Maybe I'm a chimpanzee. :)
I always figured you for an ape.:D
Branin
09-12-2006, 11:49
Why am I still looking at this thread?
Lunatic Goofballs
09-12-2006, 11:51
I always figured you for an ape.:D

YAY! *flings poo*
Harlesburg
09-12-2006, 11:56
Why am I still looking at this thread?
On the off chance that you'll see this.
8=========D~
Branin
09-12-2006, 12:02
On the off chance that you'll see this.
8=========D~

http://gallery.brawl-hall.com/data/media782245/5/WTF_2.jpg

*gouges out own eyeballs*
Cullons
09-12-2006, 14:14
Ahem ... yes, given the fact that on average a human vagina is only 4 inches deep. Of course, being versatile and special, it's stretchy, so it can accomodate the occasional Ukrainian or Native American. But basically, if you have six or seven or, goodness! more inches, a lot of that is going to go to waste.

that's why there are all those lovely positions to choose from, a change in position opens up more posibilities
Jello Biafra
09-12-2006, 14:31
Why am I still looking at this thread?To see how you measure up, of course.
Luipaard
09-12-2006, 16:13
ROFL!!!!!
Love this thread, eapecially as the guy i currently fancy is half indian. lol. (may have to go stick the article up on the notice board in his halls)
Anyway in my experience, greeks are the biggest (the greek i had was over a foot long! It wasnt actually that good tho, cause even tho it was big, it was fat and he knew what to do with it, there jsut wasnt room to get that much in and it kinda hurt)
All the smallest guys i've had have been english actually, usually southerers are the smallest.
The scottish are big tho (best i've ever had actually), must be the kilts letting them hang a bit and stretch ;)
Gorias
09-12-2006, 16:27
from statisics i have seen. white actually have higher records for biggest peni, hence the man with the largest one is white. this makes sense cause the average height of a black men man is higher than a whites. men with unproportial length arms and legs are usually have a shorter penis.
havent never checked or compared, i got this from bot h a ducth and an american study.
for those who are wonderinf feet have nothing to do with it.
Luipaard
09-12-2006, 16:30
Aaah, so what girls should be looking for is a short guy is it? (actually that mostly works i think, all the small guys were jsut over 6", whereas all the huge guys were about 5'8 ish)
Aryavartha
09-12-2006, 18:11
I am so sending this news article to all of the Indian guys I know. Thankfully, I don't know any that are too close by.

*stalks you*
Armistria
09-12-2006, 18:21
I never understood the whole "my penis is big" thing that guys get into.....really don't care, I mean there are more important things than that.

You said it Smunkee. Anyway if it's too big then it won't fit...
Ifreann
09-12-2006, 18:39
You said it Smunkee. Anyway if it's too big then it won't fit...

Doubly correct, as it applies to the condom too.


Maybe this is why India is full of people, they can't get condoms that fit(read: small) so they don't bother with them.