NationStates Jolt Archive

What is the best and biggest conspiracy theory you have heard anyone argue? The Abduction of Elvis? The Garden of Eden? Life?
Anyway.... If anyone has any interesting ones we can discuss them. Then destroy them....

Dont know the defnition of a consiracy theory? -
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/conspiracy

Ohh the old the moon landings were facked one. I have a friend who is convinced that it didn't happen. heh strange thing is she is normaly such a rational person. People are indeed strange.

Ohh the old the moon landings were facked one. I have a friend who is convinced that it didn't happen. heh strange thing is she is normaly such a rational person. People are indeed strange.

They woz facked!? Cor blimey, apples and pears, apples and pears.

Lol My old Edwardian Tea Chest - Guest

They woz facked!? Cor blimey, apples and pears, apples and pears.

Heheh shit soo 'ow does a Northen git know proper language huh huh!?!?

Thats another conspricay - Cockenys... I reckon there like badgers - they dont exist

The NWO is only years from existing.

While true enough that such a thing exists (the UN and Clinton's proposals to establish a World Tax and donations towards establishment of an independent UN military), such a thing impossible, peacefully, nor is it anywhere close at achieving. It must be getting pretty smokey behind those closed doors because Latin America and the Third World don't seem to be cooperating.

B*e*e*e*d! Can't say more. SIE will find me!

Thats another conspricay - Cockenys... I reckon there like badgers - they dont exist
Oh, no, badgers exist. And they're evil! http://weebls-stuff.com/toons/badgers/

theres some odd irish comspiracy thoeries boiling.

things like why was the dublin roit allowed to happen?
i would be of the opinion that it was publicity stunt by the current gov
to provoke a reaction from sinn fein. due to the alarming increased popularity, but the riot seemed to make sinn fein more popular.
those who dont know, sinn fein are the ira political wing. tyhe dublin riot happend last year, it was the biggest riot in about 80years.

check out aload of clips on youtube. (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dublin+riots)

also there has been a large increase of shootings in my area. shootings are unusual where i live, but it never comes up in the media. it did at the start but not anymore. a month ago a man took 6 hostages with a grenade and no one new about it accept people who lived on the road. cad é an sceal?

Australia

haha, badgers are funny.
Was trying to explain to a greek guy (none too good english and also a prick cause heh wont talk to me any more) what a badger was. He just didnt get it, even with impressions from another friend.

A good theory that ive heard is that the uneverse it actually the inside of a sphere, and the earth is at the bottom (which is why it look spherical from space) and the moon is at the top.

Organized religion?

Australia
We are the shadow in the night. We are the wind that whispers through the trees. Ninjas awaaaaay!
*Australia jumps from tree with katana and mask*
*falls on face due to inebriation*

On NS, both the "ph34r t3h j00s/muslemz!!!!shift111eleven" and "The government blew up the WTC"

Here is one I heard:

Democracy in any form does not exist. Instead each nation is controlled by a hidden leader and the "actual" leader is a mere puppet. All voting statistics are made up to make it sem like votes are counted.....

Organized religion?
I knew it!

Paul McCartney is dead!!!
He was replaced by William Shears.

That's got to be one of the greatest out there.

King Kill 33 (http://www.revisionisthistory.org/kingkill33.html)

Freemasons killed Kennedy for their ritual sorcery.

Here is one I heard:

Democracy in any form does not exist. Instead each nation is controlled by a hidden leader and the "actual" leader is a mere puppet. All voting statistics are made up to make it sem like votes are counted.....

Sorry, this thread's for THEORIES, not facts. =)

The wonderful stuff by Francis E. Dec Esquire. See here (http://bentoandstarchky.com/dec/).

Includes the Computer God Secret Containment Policy, information about how the communist Computer God surgically alters your body at night, as a Frankenstein slave, as well as the true history of the USA and its presidents.

My brother supports the theory that Finland does not exist, citing that no-one knows anyone that's from there or has been there, and anyone famous who is apparently from Finland (e.g. Sami Hyypia, Kimi Reikkonen (sp?)) are the leaders of the conspiracy organisation.

Of course, he's joking, but its funny to try and convince someone of a conspiracy theory, however absurd.

My brother supports the theory that Finland does not exist, citing that no-one knows anyone that's from there or has been there, and anyone famous who is apparently from Finland (e.g. Sami Hyypia, Kimi Reikkonen (sp?)) are the leaders of the conspiracy organisation.

Of course, he's joking, but its funny to try and convince someone of a conspiracy theory, however absurd.

That's like the Bielefeld-conspiracy! It says the German city Bielefeld does not exist and THEY (in German SIE) are pretending it exists only to hide what REALLY is there! It's a meme in the German-speaking parts of the net.

ok people this isnt a crazy thoery it is real. i get give you my sources cause the information is too dangerous.

we would all agree if the end was going, and the dark forces are to arise, the devil will no appear as red or with holves. he will be a well dressed when with good public respect. the destruction of man kind will come in the form of a charity. there is a charity that is pretending to do good but has secret objectives to kill us all. this organisation is called, amnesty internationl. if you do your own research you find the truth.
hence i have it on my hate list on my sig.

David Icke.

Basically, 9/11 was an elaborate hoax perpetuated by a global, Satanic, baby-killing, dragon-worshipping, Bohemian Grove Illuminati Freemasonry cabal of extradimensional reptilian aliens inhabiting human hosts or wearing human forms as well as brainwashing or coercing normal humans to go along with their nefarious plans to harvest negative energies from the collective human mind.

Campaigning for the freedom of belarussian students is evil now?

My brother supports the theory that Finland does not exist, citing that no-one knows anyone that's from there or has been there, and anyone famous who is apparently from Finland (e.g. Sami Hyypia, Kimi Reikkonen (sp?)) are the leaders of the conspiracy organisation.

Of course, he's joking, but its funny to try and convince someone of a conspiracy theory, however absurd.

That sounds very much about how I joke about Delaware. In my 4 years in the Army I met someone from every state and territory in the US except Delaware.

The Thread has florished in my absence... well heres one..

Are all other people on the internet robots? even me?

ok people this isnt a crazy thoery it is real. i get give you my sources cause the information is too dangerous.

we would all agree if the end was going, and the dark forces are to arise, the devil will no appear as red or with holves. he will be a well dressed when with good public respect. the destruction of man kind will come in the form of a charity. there is a charity that is pretending to do good but has secret objectives to kill us all. this organisation is called, amnesty internationl. if you do your own research you find the truth.
hence i have it on my hate list on my sig.

At least try to post a good story, rather then a irrational selection of words.

So far I can resume that it say that Amnesty International is evil and it has something to do with the devil and therefor you hate it. I'm missing the pies in this conspiracy. Every conspiracy needs pies.


Also, in general reaction to the thread:


*dusts off tinfoilhat*

Well, that one hasn't been used in quite a while.

seeing I have already met people IRLly, which I first met on the net, how about no...

The Thread has florished in my absence... well heres one..

Are all other people on the internet robots? even me?

Definitely. I'm the only "real" human on the internet. The rest of you are just there to set me up. It's kind of like the Truman show, only more amusing.

Definitely. I'm the only "real" human on the internet. The rest of you are just there to set me up. It's kind of like the Truman show, only more amusing.

Correct. Only you are a robot programmed to think that you are human.

Let's get on the road to Godwinning this thread.

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion...

Where does one even attempt to begin...

That evolution is a blatant attempt by atheists to undermine god.

That everybody but LHO shot president Kennedy

That there is a secret that has been guarded down through the millenia
through egyptians and then muslims, then the knights templar then
the freemasons.

That the worlds greatest superpower has a puppet president who is
controlled by the oil industry.

What is the best and biggest conspiracy theory you have heard anyone argue? The Abduction of Elvis? The Garden of Eden? Life?
Anyway.... If anyone has any interesting ones we can discuss them. Then destroy them....

Dont know the defnition of a consiracy theory? -
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/conspiracy

The best and biggest of all conspiracy theories would have to be the Bible and all of the competing holy books.

Are all other people on the internet robots? even me?

I don't know about all other people, but you're acting like a spam-bot, and you need to cut it out. Most of your recent threads have been deleted or moved to the Spam forums. Let's end that today, shall we?

Correct. Only you are a robot programmed to think that you are human.

When I nearly axed my finger off, it was blood, not hydraulic fluid, that came spilling out.

When I nearly axed my finger off, it was blood, not hydraulic fluid, that came spilling out.Aha! That's what they want you to think!

Here is one I heard:

Democracy in any form does not exist. Instead each nation is controlled by a hidden leader and the "actual" leader is a mere puppet. All voting statistics are made up to make it sem like votes are counted.....


That is a scary thought.

Oh, no, badgers exist. And they're evil! http://weebls-stuff.com/toons/badgers/

Wow. It's been a long time since I've seen that.

The best conspiracy I think is that Mods are real people "volunteering" to work on this site.


And the sky is really blue:rolleyes:

You expect me to believe that lie mole people? hahaha! I think not! I know you are secretly trying to take over and enslave us to help mine your cheddar cheese deposits! You did 9-11!!! You Killed Kennedy! You....you... you made up global warming and the internet!

-twitches-

My current conspiracy theory: WaffleCountry is Darknovae's puppet.

My current conspiracy theory: WaffleCountry is Darknovae's puppet.

Absolutely not. :mad:

I never heard of him until now. :mad:

Absolutely not. :mad:

I never heard of him until now. :mad:

Well, your answer certainly doesn't waffle . . .

Well, your answer certainly doesn't waffle . . .

:confused: What do you mean, my answer doesn't waffle?

That the Illuminati rules the world, of course, and will bring the New World Order (which is supposedly the harshest world dictatorship imaginable... as if there is anything "NEW" about such a thing!) into fruitation.

For more about THAT, check out www.prisonplanet.com.

For more info about the *real* Illuminati Order, along with our plans of liberty and peace... check out www.illuminati-order.com. :) [/shameless plug]

:confused: What do you mean, my answer doesn't waffle?

You don't switch back and forth between positions or opinions.

We know the exact date of the End of the World!

Dec 21, 2012!

That doesn't give us much time, does it, precious?

This is an ancient Mayan prediction; I guess conspiracio theoriosos evolved right after homo sapiens.

The world is flat.

http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

Once again, picture in your mind a round world. Now imagine that there are two people on this world, one at each pole. For the person at the top of the world, (the North Pole), gravity is pulling him down, towards the South Pole. But for the person at the South Pole, shouldn't gravity pull him down as well? What keeps our person at the South Pole from falling completely off the face of the "globe"?

There are so many flaws in this argument it's not even funny. And that's the only one I've read so far.

I've seen a number of other sites but I can't find them at the moment.

We know the exact date of the End of the World!

Dec 21, 2012!

That doesn't give us much time, does it, precious?

This is an ancient Mayan prediction; I guess conspiracio theoriosos evolved right after homo sapiens.

Methinks the Mayans were just too lazy to go past that date. :p

You don't switch back and forth between positions or opinions.

Oh.

Well in that case, WaffleCountry is not my puppet.

Oh.

Well in that case, WaffleCountry is not my puppet.

I was, in fact, making a play on the whole Waffle/Pancake thing, but I think your ear is distracting you from the humour of my posts. /shrug :)

I was, in fact, making a play on the whole Waffle/Pancake thing, but I think your ear is distracting you from the humour of my posts. /shrug :)

I can't find humor in much right now. :(

I can't find humor in much right now. :(

*resists the urge to tell musician jokes*

*resists the urge to tell musician jokes*

Don't push it. :mad:

Don't push it. :mad:

But they're funny! Like:

What's the difference between an orchestra and a bull?

A bull has the horns in front, and the asshole at the back.

The world is flat.

I thought that one would have been debunked after we went to space and... um... saw the earth as a sphere.

I thought that one would have been debunked after we went to space and... um... saw the earth as a sphere.

You'd think. Some of them would probably argue something along the lines of the conspiracy involving a government monopoloy of the media and education to make people think it's spherical, as that would benefit them so much! :rolleyes:

You'd think. Some of them would probably argue something along the lines of the conspiracy involving a government monopoloy of the media and education to make people think it's spherical, as that would benefit them so much! :rolleyes:

Just like NSG, it's just another way to distract you from what's really going on *nods*

bumping this with a new theory -

Was Litvinenko murdered by the CIA?

bumping this with a new theory -

Was Litvinenko murdered by the CIA?

Why would the CIA have any interest in a UKian ex-russian spy?

They wanted to frame Putin therefore removing him from government and leaving them safe to invade russia when it is in dissaray.

They wanted to frame Putin therefore removing him from government and leaving them safe to invade russia when it is in dissaray.

...

I know of at least 2 people that would say invading Russia is a really, really bad idea.

Hitler for one?

Hitler for one?

And Napoleon for two.

True.

(and thats a little ryhme)

Saw this on the simpsons last night but I really belveid it -
What about if they are controlling us through our flu drugs?

The Philadelphia Experiment!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Experiment

Even though the US Navy disputed this, people still believe in it.

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq21-1.htm

There's also the theory that Area 51 is hiding aliens and alien technology.

There's also one about Roswell.

Yep thats a point didnt think of those... Did they really make those sailors dematrimlise?

bump

http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/index.html?view=ZombieCat.jpg

Teh long cats are taking over teh world. :eek:

aHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

GW Bush has a secret underwater superfortress out in the alantic ocean where they build hurricanes and throw them all over the world to kill innocent people, infact they themselves manufactured hurricane Katrina just to see how badly they could destroy a city. Bush also personally invented AIDS in his garage in the 70's and went around injecting people with it because he wants to exterminate everyone who isnt him.

The worst one I heard was about "a CIA plot that created AIDS as a method of genocide against black people" The conspiracy theory revolved around "MKNAOMI" (which was a real CIA project but it had to do with poison dart development) and claiming that the NAOMI portion stood for "Negroes Are Only Momentary Individuals"

GW Bush has a secret underwater superfortress out in the alantic ocean where they build hurricanes and throw them all over the world to kill innocent people, infact they themselves manufactured hurricane Katrina just to see how badly they could destroy a city. Bush also personally invented AIDS in his garage in the 70's and went around injecting people with it because he wants to exterminate everyone who isnt him.

Reminds me of something Goldfinger would do.

-__-

The so-called jewish Holocaust, or as I like to call it, the Holohoax.

There is NO HARD EVIDENCE of the holocaust ever happening. NONE.

Please read this Q&A:

66 Questions and Answers on the Holocaust
(an early IHR publication)

1. What proof exists that the Nazis killed six million Jews?
None. All we have is postwar testimony, mostly of individual "survivors." This testimony is contradictory, and very few claim to have actually witnessed any "gassing." There are no contemporaneous documents or hard evidence: no mounds of ashes, no crematories capable of disposing of millions of corpses, no "human soap," no lamp shades made of human skin, and no credible demographic statistics.

2. What evidence exists that six million Jews were not killed by the Nazis?
Extensive forensic, demographic, analytical and comparative evidence demonstrates the impossibility of such a figure. The widely repeated "six million" figure is an irresponsible exaggeration.

3. Did Simon Wiesenthal state in writing that "there were no extermination camps on German soil"?
Yes. The famous "Nazi hunter" wrote this in Stars and Stripes, Jan. 24, 1993. He also claimed that "gassings" of Jews took place only in Poland.

4. If Dachau was in Germany, and even Wiesenthal says that it was not an extermination camp, why do many American veterans say it was an extermination camp?
After the Allies captured Dachau, many GIs and others were led through the camp and shown a building alleged to have been a "gas chamber." The mass media widely, but falsely, continues to assert that Dachau was a "gassing" camp.

5. What about Auschwitz? Is there any proof that gas chambers were used to kill people there?
No. Auschwitz, captured by the Soviets, was modified after the war, and a room was reconstructed to look like a large "gas chamber." After America's leading expert on gas chamber construction and design, Fred Leuchter, examined this and other alleged Auschwitz gassing facilities, he stated that it was an "absurdity" to claim that they were, or could have been, used for executions.

6. If Auschwitz wasn't a "death camp," what was its true purpose?
It was an internment center and part of a large-scale manufacturing complex. Synthetic fuel was produced there, and its inmates were used as a workforce.

7. Who set up the first concentration camps?
During the Boer War (1899-1902), the British set up what they called "concentration camps" in South Africa to hold Afrikaner women and children. Approximately 30,000 died in these hell-holes, which were as terrible as German concentration camps of World War II.

8. How did German concentration camps differ from American "relocation" camps in which Japanese-Americans were interned during WWII?
The only significant difference was that the Germans interned persons on the basis of being real or suspected security threats to the German war effort, whereas the Roosevelt administration interned persons on the basis of race alone.

9. Why did the German government intern Jews in camps?
It considered Jews a direct threat to national security. (Jews were overwhelmingly represented in Communist subversion.) However, all suspected security risks -- not just Jews -- were in danger of internment.

10. What hostile measure did world Jewry undertake against Germany as early as 1933?
In March 1933, international Jewish organizations declared an international boycott of German goods.

11. Did the Jews of the world "declare war on Germany"?
Yes. Newspapers around the world reported this. A front-page headline in the London Daily Express (March 24, 1933), for example, announced "Judea Declares War on Germany."

12. Was this before or after the "death camp" stories began?
This was years before the "death camp" stories, which began in 1941-1942.

13. What nation is credited with being the first to practice mass civilian bombing?
Britain -- on May 11, 1940.

14. How many "gas chambers" to kill people were there at Auschwitz?
None.

15. How many Jews were living in the areas that came under German control during the war?
Fewer than six million.

16. If the Jews of Europe were not exterminated by the Nazis, what happened to them?
After the war millions of Jews were still alive in Europe. Hundreds of thousands (perhaps as many as one and a half million) had died of all causes during the war. Others had emigrated to Palestine, the United States, and other countries. Still more Jews left Europe after the war.

17. How many Jews fled or were evacuated to deep within the Soviet Union?
More than two million fled or were evacuated by the Soviets in 1941-1942. These Jews thus never came under German control.

18. How many Jews emigrated from Europe prior to the war, thus putting them outside of German reach?
Perhaps a million (not including those absorbed by the USSR).

19. If Auschwitz was not an extermination camp, why did the commandant, Rudolf Hoess, confess that it was?
He was tortured by British military police, as one of his interrogators later admitted.

20. Is there any evidence of American, British and Soviet policy to torture German prisoners in order to exact "confessions" for use at the trials at Nuremberg and elsewhere?
Yes. Torture was extensively used to produce fraudulent "evidence" for the infamous Nuremberg trials, and in other postwar "war crimes" trials.

21. How does the Holocaust story benefit Jews today?
It helps protect Jews as a group from criticism. As a kind of secular religion, it provides an emotional bond between Jews and their leaders. It is a powerful tool in Jewish money-raising campaigns, and is used to justify US aid to Israel.

22. How does it benefit the State of Israel?
It justifies the billions of dollars in "reparations" Germany has paid to Israel and many individual "survivors." It is used by the Zionist/Israeli lobby to dictate a pro-Israel American foreign policy in the Middle East, and to force American taxpayer aid to Israel, totaling billions of dollars per year.

23. How is it used by many Christian clergymen?
The Holocaust story is cited to justify the Old Testament notion of Jews as a holy and eternally persecuted "Chosen People."

24. How did it benefit the Communists?
It diverted attention from Soviet war mongering and atrocities before, during and after the Second World War.

25. How does it benefit Britain?
In much the same way it benefitted the Soviet Union.

26. Is there any evidence that Hitler ordered mass extermination of Jews?
No.

27. What kind of gas was used in German wartime concentration camps?
Hydrocyanic gas from "Zyklon B," a commercial pesticide that was widely used throughout Europe.

28. For what purpose was "Zyklon B" manufactured?
It was a pesticide used to fumigate clothing and quarters to kill typhus-bearing lice and other pests.

29. Was this product suitable for mass extermination?
No. If the Nazis had intended to use poison gas to exterminate people, far more efficient products were available. Zyklon is a slow-acting fumigation agent.

30. How long does it take to ventilate an area after fumigation with Zyklon B?
Normally about 20 hours. The whole procedure is very complicated and dangerous. Gas masks must be used, and only trained technicians are employed.

31. Auschwitz commandant Hoess said that his men would enter the "gas chambers" to remove bodies ten minutes after the victims had died. How do you explain this?
It can't be explained because had they done so they would have suffered the same fate as the "gassing" victims.

32. Hoess said in his "confession" that his men would smoke cigarettes as they pulled bodies out of gas chambers, ten minutes after gassing. Isn't Zyklon B explosive?
Yes. The Hoess confession is obviously false.

33. What was the exact procedure the Nazis allegedly used to exterminate Jews?
The stories range from dropping gas canisters into a crowded room from a hole in the ceiling, to piping gas through shower heads, to "steam chambers," to "electrocution" machinery. Millions are alleged to have been killed in these ways.

34. How could a mass extermination program have been kept secret from those who were scheduled to be killed?
It couldn't have been kept secret. The fact is that there were no mass gassings. The extermination stories originated as wartime atrocity propaganda.

35. If Jews scheduled for execution knew the fate in store for them, why did they go along with the Germans without resisting?
They didn't fight back because they did not believe there was any intention to kill them.

36. About how many Jews died in the concentration camps?
Competent estimates range from about 300,000 to 500,000.

37. How did they die?
Mainly from recurring typhus epidemics that ravaged war-torn Europe during the war, as well as from starvation and lack of medical attention during the final months of the conflict, when virtually all road and rail transportation had been bombed out by the Allies.

38. What is typhus?
This disease always appears when many people are jammed together under unsanitary conditions. It is carried by lice that infest hair and clothes. Ironically, if the Germans had used more Zyklon B, more Jews might have survived the camps.

39. What is the difference if six million or 300,000 Jews died during the Second World War?
5,700,000.

40. Some Jewish "death camp" survivors say they saw bodies being dumped into pits and burned. How much fuel would have been required for this?
A great deal more than the Germans had access to, as there was a substantial fuel shortage during the war.

41. Can bodies be burned in pits?
No. It is impossible for human bodies to be totally consumed by flames in this manner because of lack of oxygen.

42. Holocaust historians claim that the Nazis were able to cremate bodies in about ten minutes. How long does it take to incinerate one body, according to professional crematory operators?
About an hour and a half, although the larger bones require further processing afterwards.

43. Why did the German concentration camps have crematory ovens?
To dispose efficiently and sanitarily of the corpses of those who had died.

44. Given a 100 percent duty cycle of all the crematories in all the camps in German-controlled territory, what is the maximum number of corpses it would have been possible to incinerate during the entire period such crematories were in operation?
About 430,600.

45. Can a crematory oven be operated 100 percent of the time?
No. Fifty percent of the time is a generous estimate (12 hours per day). Crematory ovens have to be cleaned thoroughly and regularly when in heavy operation.

46. How much ash is left from a cremated corpse?
After the bone is all ground down, about a shoe box full.

47.If six million people had been incinerated by the Nazis, what happened to the ashes?
That remains to be "explained." Six million bodies would have produced many tons of ashes, yet there is no evidence of any large ash depositories.

48. Do Allied wartime aerial reconnaissance photos of Auschwitz (taken during the period when the "gas chambers" and crematoria were supposedly in full operation) show evidence of extermination?
No. In fact, these photographs do not even reveal a trace of the enormous amount of smoke that supposedly was constantly over the camp, nor do they show evidence of the "open pits" in which bodies were allegedly burned.

49. What was the main provision of the German "Nuremberg Laws" of 1935?
They forbid marriage and sexual relations between Germans and Jews, similar to laws existing in Israel today.

50. Were there any American precedents for the Nuremberg Laws?
Years before Hitler's Third Reich, most states in the USA had enacted laws prohibiting marriage between persons of different races.

51. What did the International Red Cross have to report with regard to the "Holocaust" question?
An official report on the visit of an IRC delegation to Auschwitz in September 1944 pointed out that internees were permitted to receive packages, and that rumors of gas chambers could not be verified.

52. What was the role of the Vatican during the time six million Jews were allegedly being exterminated?
If there had been an extermination plan, the Vatican would most certainly have been in a position to know about it. But because there was none, the Vatican had no reason to speak out against it, and didn't.

53. What evidence is there that Hitler knew of an on-going Jewish extermination program?
None.

54. Did the Nazis and the Zionists collaborate?
As early as 1933, Hitler's government signed an agreement with the Zionists permitting Jews to emigrate from Germany to Palestine, taking large amounts of capital with them.

55. How did Anne Frank die?
After surviving internment in Auschwitz, she succumbed to typhus in the Bergen-Belsen camp, just a few weeks before the end of the war. The was not gassed.

56. Is the Anne Frank Diary genuine?
No. Evidence compiled by Dr. Robert Faurisson of France establishes that the famous diary is a literary hoax.

57. What about the familiar photographs and film footage taken in the liberated German camps showing piles of emaciated corpses? Are these faked?
Photographs can be faked, but it's far easier merely to add a misleading caption to a photo or commentary to a piece of footage. Piles of emaciated corpses do not mean that these people were "gassed" or deliberately starved to death. Actually, these were tragic victims of raging epidemics or of starvation due to a lack of food in the camps toward the end of the war.

58. Who originated the term "genocide"?
Raphael Lemkin, a Polish Jew, in a book published in 1944.

59. Are films such as "Schindler's List" or "The Winds of War" documentaries?
No. Such films are fictional dramatizations loosely based on history. Unfortunately, all too many people accept them as accurate historical representations.

60. How many books have been published that refute some aspect of the standard "Holocaust" story?
Dozens. More are in production.

61. What happened when the Institute for Historical Review offered $50,000 to anyone who could prove that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz?
No proof was submitted as a claim on the reward, but the Institute was sued for $17 million by former Auschwitz inmate Mel Mermelstein, who claimed that the reward offer caused him to lose sleep and his business to suffer, and represented "injurious denial of established fact."

62. What about the charge that those who question the Holocaust story are merely anti-Semitic or neo-Nazi?
This is a smear designed to draw attention away from facts and honest arguments. Scholars who refute Holocaust story claims are of all persuasions and ethnic-religious backgrounds (including Jewish). There is no correlation between "Holocaust" refutation and anti-Semitism or neo-Nazism. Increasing numbers of Jewish scholars openly admit the lack of evidence for key Holocaust claims.

63. What has happened to "revisionist" historians who have challenged the Holocaust story?
They have been subjected to smear campaigns, loss of academic positions, loss of pensions, destruction of their property and physical violence.

64. Has the Institute for Historical Review suffered any retaliation for its efforts to uphold the right of freedom of speech and academic freedom?
The IHR had been bombed three times, and was completely destroyed on July 4, 1984, in a criminal arson attack. Numerous death threats by telephone have been received. Media coverage of the IHR has been overwhelmingly hostile.

65. Why is there so little publicity for the revisionist view?
Because for political reasons the Establishment does not want any in-depth discussion about the facts surrounding the Holocaust story.

66. Where can I get more information about the "other side" of the Holocaust story, as well as facts concerning other aspects of World War II historical revisionism?



The Institute for Historical Review, P.O. Box 2739, Newport Beach, CA 92659, carries a wide variety of books, cassette and video tapes on significant historical subjects. (updated 1/95)

Extra Copies of this Question and Answer sheet are 10 copies: $2.00 -- 50 copies: $5.00 -- 100 or more: 8 cents each.

For more detailed study of the Holocaust issue, read these books available from the Institute for Historical Review: The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, by Dr. Arthur Butz, Pb., $9.95. The Holocaust Story and the Lies of Ulysses, by Paul Rassinier, Pb., $12.00. Auschwitz: A Judge Looks at the Evidence, by Wilhelm Staeglich, Hb. $19.95; Pb., $11.95.

(On all book orders, please add 10% for shipping and handling.)

The Journal of Historical Review is published six times yearly by the IHR. Subscriptions are $40 per year (domestic). Write for our catalog of books, leaflets, and audio and video cassette tapes. We wish to acknowledge that the above publication was made available courtesy of the Institute for Historical Review.

Copyright restrictions:

The copyright holders (Greg Raven and/or the Institute for Historical Review) hereby grant to anyone the right to reproduce electronically or magnetically the BBS versions of these files. We do not grant reprint rights to any words-on-paper versions of these files except for extracts up to 500 words in book reviews or citations in other books. You are allowed to print out one copy of these files for your own personal use. You are not allowed to sell a print-out.

-big ass snip-

You know, I stopped reading after Holohoax.

Santa is a zombie (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zombiesantavf0.jpg)

I don't want to have to read another 90 odd pages of endlessly repeated rhetoric and closed mind debate so can we please try and keep the conspiracies a little less controversial?

You know, I stopped reading after Holohoax.
It's too bad some people can't see the truth when It's right in front of them. Your refusal to read it doesn't make the claim inaccurate at all.

Prove me wrong.

You know, I stopped reading after Holohoax.
So did I, pretty much.

Vinlandia, where do you suggest six million people disappeared to? They weren't just killed during the war. Seems a teensy bit suspicious that so many Jews, homosexuals and gypsies are so prone to being killed accidentally in war. So what happened to them? They were never seen by their families again. Sent to a secret moon colony to live with aliens by the World Zionist Conspiracy, perhaps? Spirited away to the Magical Fourth Dimension by Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy?

I'm going to regret this...
10. What hostile measure did world Jewry undertake against Germany as early as 1933?
In March 1933, international Jewish organizations declared an international boycott of German goods.
:rolleyes:
'world Jewry'...
Somehow, I think a boycott of German goods was somewhat justified given that the German leader had expressed that the Jews were the cause of all the world's problems.
13. What nation is credited with being the first to practice mass civilian bombing?
Britain -- on May 11, 1940.
What the hell?
29. Was this product suitable for mass extermination?
No. If the Nazis had intended to use poison gas to exterminate people, far more efficient products were available. Zyklon is a slow-acting fumigation agent.
Considering that it's still classed as a chemical weapon today, and was used against the Kurds, for example...
39. What is the difference if six million or 300,000 Jews died during the Second World War?
5,700,000.
LOL
56. Is the Anne Frank Diary genuine?
No. Evidence compiled by Dr. Robert Faurisson of France establishes that the famous diary is a literary hoax.
:rolleyes:

snip

Right. Because the camps don't still exist and aren't still toured by people every year... because the history books and the Nazi's own documents don't confirm this... because people are hoping that once the last eyewitnesses to this event are dead, their lies and misinformation will be taken seriously.

The only hoax is the desperation in which people attempt to prove that black is white and that up is actually down, and that their prejudiced fantasy should oppress the reality.

Sad.

Google "Tonya Harding Shot JFK". Best conspiracy nut ever.

Also, TRA's insistance that the Bush family wiped out the dinosaurs with an orbiting space laser was awesome.

Google "Tonya Harding Shot JFK". Best conspiracy nut ever.



Tonya Harding is Lee Harvey Oswald

Tonya Harding assassinated John F. Kennedy in her previous life as Lee Harvey Oswald. Both Oswald and his victim, President Kennedy, have returned in this life as figure skaters Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan.

Consider the evidence of reincarnation. Both Tonya Harding and Lee Harvey Oswald have the letters "Har" in their names. Both of their victims were Irish Catholics from Massachusetts whose last names began with the letters "Ke": John F. Kennedy and Nancy Kerrigan, and both were attacked in cities beginning with the letter "D": Dallas and Detroit. Time magazine also saw a connection in the assaults on Kerrigan and Kennedy. Margaret Carlson wrote in the February 21, 1994 issue, "The videocam

LOL!

the biggest conspiracy thoery is that thay are all false, there are alot of untrue ones out there but if you paint them all as false then you are being ignorant, if the normal line of thinking tells you that questioning it is useless or futile or wrong then it needs to be questioned and discussed and researched, so long as others willingly partisapate in the act of diseption by genrealisation, wether by emotion or by suggestion then you cant honestly say that there is free speech, if a person questions the common thinking you will only see a reaction when others start agreeing but that really isnt proof of truth or not.

bump

It's too bad some people can't see the truth when It's right in front of them. Your refusal to read it doesn't make the claim inaccurate at all.

Prove me wrong.

thats the post i ahve ever read.
*sticks thumbs up*

The biggest, dumbest, most low-brow and know-nothing conspiracy theory of them all is the "goverment did 9/11" delusion.

What is the best and biggest conspiracy theory you have heard anyone argue? The Abduction of Elvis? The Garden of Eden? Life?
Anyway.... If anyone has any interesting ones we can discuss them. Then destroy them....

Dont know the defnition of a consiracy theory? -
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/conspiracy

9/11 conspiracy, moon hoax conspiracy, and Holocaust denial.

It's too bad some people can't see the truth when It's right in front of them. Your refusal to read it doesn't make the claim inaccurate at all.

Prove me wrong.

My grandpa liberated one of the camps, he was there in person, and saw the camps with his own eyes. My grandpa does not have any reason to lie to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA

A conspiracy, yes. However, not a theory. There is documentation to back this up.

13. What nation is credited with being the first to practice mass civilian bombing?
Britain -- on May 11, 1940.



January 19 1915 - World War I: German zeppelins bomb the cities of Great Yarmouth and King's Lynn in the United Kingdom killing more than 20, in the first major aerial bombardment of a civilian target.

I'm going to regret this...
Probably.


Vinlandia, where do you suggest six million people disappeared to? They weren't just killed during the war. Seems a teensy bit suspicious that so many Jews, homosexuals and gypsies are so prone to being killed accidentally in war. So what happened to them? They were never seen by their families again. Sent to a secret moon colony to live with aliens by the World Zionist Conspiracy, perhaps? Spirited away to the Magical Fourth Dimension by Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy?

Here is somthing I posted in another thread that I can't find now which explains that, sort of:

Ever since I was a teenager I have been interested in the "holocaust". It was not some perverse love of dead bodies and gas chambers that did it, but rather the inconsistencies I kept reading about. Much like reading the Bible when I was growing up, there was always a contradiction in different parts of the story to amuse me.

Ever since I have been digging into the "holocaust" history and I have become fascinated by the Jewish people, their modern defences against prejudice from non-Jews, their ability to work their way up the chains of command with surprising speed, and all the other things that make them so hated by so many people.

This article will be dedicated to figuring out the modern day population of the Jewish people and how many really died in the "Holocaust".

Most of the early data I have taken from the Jewish holy book - the Torah, as possible evidence.


2000 BC (est) = 3,154,000 (Joshua and the Levites)

971 BC (est) = 5,000,000 (King David's Census, based on 1,300,000 males over 20)

58 BC (est) = 4,200,000 (Adolf Harnack 1902 Estimate - considered excessive)

50 AD (est) = 600,000 (Publius Cornelius Tacitus)

100 AD (est) = 1,100,000 (Flavius Josephus)

1170 AD (est) = 1,049,565 (Benjamin of Tudela - considered low)

Between 1000 - 1500 (Recorded 380,000 Killed In Expulsion from Europe)

1500 AD (est) = 1,000,000

1700 AD (est) = 1,000,000 (Jacques Basnage)

1828 AD (est) = 4,947,000 (French-Jewish Almanac)

1829 AD (est) = 4,000,000 (Balbi)

1830 AD (est) = 3,500,000 (American Jewish Yearbook)

1833 AD (est) = 6,598,000 (Hörschelman)

1846 AD (est) = 3,143,000 (Jost)

1854 AD (est) = 4,000,000 (Berghaus)

1857 AD (est) = 3,900,000 (Boudin)

1868 AD (est) = 4,550,000 (Legoyt)

1870 AD (est) = 6,798,029 (Alexander)

1879 AD (est) = 6,276,957 (I. Loeb)

1881 AD (est) = 6,193,662 (Andree)

1881 AD (est) = 6,200,000 (Encyclopædia Britannica, 1881)

1883 AD (est) = 6,136,662 (Heckler)

1887 AD (est) = 6,582,500 (A. Nossig)

1896 AD (est) = 9,066,534 (J. Jacobs)

1900 AD = 11,273,076 (Calculated by Census Data)

1901 AD (est) = 11,206,849 (Jewish Encyclopedia)

1902 AD (est) = 10,319,402 (I. Harris)

1904 AD (est) = 10,456,000 (A. Ruppin)

1905 AD (est) = 10,932,777 (American Jewish Yearbook, 1904-1905)

1920 AD (est) = 14,500,000 (American Jewish Yearbook)

1933 AD (est) = 17,000,000 (Anderson, Norman - The World's Religions)

1934 AD (est) = 15,700,000 (Ferm, Vergilius - An Encyclopedia of Religion)

1942 AD (est) = 18,000,000 (Oxtoby, Willard G - The Meaning of Other Faiths)

1942 AD (est) = 16,030,000 (American Jewish Yearbook)

1942 AD (est) = 18,000,000 (Palmer, Spencer J. & Roger R. Keller.- Religions of the World)

1942 - 1945 ("Holocaust" / Shoah / die Endlösung -6,200,000)

1945 AD (est) = 11,000,000 (American Jewish Yearbook)

1950 AD (est) = 11,297,000 (American Jewish Yearbook)

1960 AD (est) = 12,079,000 (American Jewish Yearbook)

1970 AD (est) = 12,585,000 (American Jewish Yearbook)

1980 AD (est) = 12,819,000 (American Jewish Yearbook)

1990 AD (est) = 12,868,000 (American Jewish Yearbook)

2000 AD (est) = 13,212,500 (American Jewish Yearbook)

2001 AD (est) = 13,252,100 (American Jewish Yearbook)

2002 AD = 13,296,100 (World Census)

2005 AD (est) = 14,596,017 (American Jewish Yearbook)

2010 AD (est) = 15,979,534 (Projected population based on 2005 to 2005
trend)


It should be easy to note that the last figure given by the American Jewish Yearbook is grossly over exaggerated.

As you can also see, if it wasn't for the data between 1900 and 1938, then you would have a horizontal line showing a constant growth period over the last 180 years. What is interesting is that within the 100 years between 1838 and 1938 it is claimed that the Jewish population only grew four fold from 3.5 million to 15 million. This is statistically not possible as it would mean they had less than 3 children per Jewish couple for five generations (1 generation being 20 years approximately), in a time when large families were the norm.

This does not add allow for death before reproductive age like accidents and wars either.

Most of the statistical sources also state that the Jewish people are leaving their faith due to "mixed marriages" with Christians. Another possible reason is that due to oppression against the Jewish people, the Jewish people are no longer calling themselves Jewish. This was not possible in the past as they were restricted from converting by their faith, but in the last 30 years of liberalism within the Jewish community.

[Ed: It is interesting to note that the media, entertainment industry, Jewish pressure groups and the "history" books lead us to believe that during 1942 to 1945, that 6 Million Jews allegedly perished but as we can see from the above information supplied by Jewish scholars themselves is quite on the contrary.]


'world Jewry'...
Somehow, I think a boycott of German goods was somewhat justified given that the German leader had expressed that the Jews were the cause of all the world's problems.

He didn't say all of the worlds problems, at all, and infact worked with jewish people and even accepted part jews into teh Reich. please do some reasearch into it instead of believeing everything you're told on TV and in "history" books. And besides, aren't they?

What the hell?Fact. Crazy, eh?


Considering that it's still classed as a chemical weapon today, and was used against the Kurds, for example...

No, that wasn't Zyklon b, that was mustard gass. Try again.

LOL
I "lol" at that too.

:rolleyes:

Right. Because the camps don't still exist and aren't still toured by people every year... because the history books and the Nazi's own documents don't confirm this... because people are hoping that once the last eyewitnesses to this event are dead, their lies and misinformation will be taken seriously.

The only hoax is the desperation in which people attempt to prove that black is white and that up is actually down, and that their prejudiced fantasy should oppress the reality.

Sad.
I'll let a jew explain this to you via his very informative documentary:

David Cole at Auschwitz
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9176742040462080597


Prove me, or him, or anyone else that makes these claims wrong with cold hard facts please.

My grandpa liberated one of the camps, he was there in person, and saw the camps with his own eyes. My grandpa does not have any reason to lie to me.

What he may have seen were dead bodies. Does he know for a fact they were systematicaly executed? It was likley mass death due to typhus and other thing ssuch as lack of medical attention and malnutrition, due to the fact that almost all roads to Germany were closed off by the Allies and getting the supplies they needed was impossible.

Also, the Americans never liberated ANY of the so called death camps, only the reds did. Americans only 'liberated' labour camps.

January 19 1915 - World War I: German zeppelins bomb the cities of Great Yarmouth and King's Lynn in the United Kingdom killing more than 20, in the first major aerial bombardment of a civilian target.
20 people is not mass bombing.

Time on December 20, 1943 compared Air Vice Marshall Saundby's figures of German devastation with what they would mean to American cities.

Time said:

"One-fourth of the area in German cities attacked by the RAF since May 11, 1940 has been devastated. In the ruins of Hamburg, Dusseldorf and Cologne 'civilized life . . . is no longer possible.' Seventeen major cities in northwest Germany are 'liabilities . . . to the enemy war machine.' Six others need only one more good pasting to join those seventeen. In all, 31 cities throughout Germany have been smacked since last December in 48 attacks of 500 tons or more. In roughly comparable U. S. terms, similar air attacks would have devastated three-quarters of Los Angeles, Cleveland, Baltimore, Boston, New Orleans, Minneapolis, Cincinnati, Newark, Louisville, St. Paul. 'Civilized life' would no longer be possible in Detroit, Pittsburgh, Buffalo."

What he may have seen were dead bodies. Does he know for a fact they were systematicaly executed? It was likley mass death due to typhus and other thing ssuch as lack of medical attention and malnutrition, due to the fact that almost all roads to Germany were closed off by the Allies and getting the supplies they needed was impossible.

Also, the Americans never liberated ANY of the so called death camps, only the reds did. Americans only 'liberated' labour camps.

Fail.

Quite possibly my favorite conspiricy is that Santa Clause is Actually the Devil.

As for the whole Holocaust thing, there are two sides to every story, and then there is the truth. I prefere not to think about it. Its done, its over with, its in the past, let it go. Try not to let a mad man get in control of an army again.

Quite possibly my favorite conspiricy is that Santa Clause is Actually the Devil.

As for the whole Holocaust thing, there are two sides to every story, and then there is the truth. I prefere not to think about it. Its done, its over with, its in the past, let it go. Try not to let a mad man get in control of an army again.

The whole point of my posting all of thsi is to prove that Adolf Hitler isnt the monster that 'history' claims him to be.

The whole point of my posting all of thsi is to prove that Adolf Hitler isnt the monster that 'history' claims him to be.

But, that's what's wrong with the world. There is evidence against both sides. No I'm not going to waist Jolt's server space with any proof that it did or did not happen, but that's the heart of Earth's problems. Everyone believes something diffrent, and will not change their minds no matter how much evidence to the contrary is produced. Even in groups of people who believe the same thing there is still dissention, Christianity is hte best and easiest example of this. Each branch enterprits the same book diffrently.

I bet even if you were to use a time machine and go back and prove the how and why of it being a hoax, people would still believe it actually happened.

There is evidence against both sides.Not really.

:rolleyes:

89-93: George HW Bush
93-97: Bill Clinton
97-01: Bill Clinton
01-05: George W Bush
05-09: George W Bush
09-13: Hillary Clinton
13-17: Hillary Clinton
17-21: Jeb Bush
21-25: Jeb Bush
25-29: Chelsea Clinton
29-33: Chelsea Clinton
33-37: Jenna/Barbara Bush
37-41: Jenna/Barbara Bush
41-45: Barbara/Jenna Bush
45-49: Barbara/Jenna Bush



...it COULD happen! :eek: :p

89-93: George HW Bush
93-97: Bill Clinton
97-01: Bill Clinton
01-05: George W Bush
05-09: George W Bush
09-13: Hillary Clinton
13-17: Hillary Clinton
17-21: Jeb Bush
21-25: Jeb Bush
25-29: Chelsea Clinton
29-33: Chelsea Clinton
33-37: Jenna/Barbara Bush
37-41: Jenna/Barbara Bush
41-45: Barbara/Jenna Bush
45-49: Barbara/Jenna Bush



...it COULD happen! :eek: :p

I'd n00k myself

He didn't say all of the worlds problems, at all, and infact worked with jewish people and even accepted part jews into teh Reich. please do some reasearch into it instead of believeing everything you're told on TV and in "history" books. And besides, aren't they?
Yes... 'accepting' part Jews. If by accepting you mean removing basic citizens' rights from them, such as the right to vote. How tolerant.
Fact. Crazy, eh?
Sources pl0x. (anyway, what the hell did that have to do with the Holocaust?)
No, that wasn't Zyklon b, that was mustard gass. Try again.
Not Zyklon B proper, but hydrocyanic acid, the main ingredient in ZB. Ahem, it seems I was wrong: its use was not completely verified. However, the fact that it's possible for this and it was looked at by other terrorist groups and such confirms it's a viable chemical weapon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrocyanic_acid
It has been reported that hydrogen cyanide may have been employed by Iraq in the war against Iran and against the Kurds in northern Iraq during the 1980s[5]. A solid compound that released hydrogen cyanide known as Zyklon B was used during World War II in the Nazi gas chambers of Auschwitz and Majdanek.[6]

In 1995 a device was discovered in a restroom in the Kayabacho Tokyo subway station consisting of bags of sodium cyanide and sulfuric acid with a remote controlled motor to rupture them in what was believed to be an attempt to produce toxic amounts of hydrogen cyanide gas by the Aum Shinrikyo cult[7] . In 2003, Al Qaeda reportedly planned to attack the New York City Subway using hydrogen cyanide gas but aborted the attack for unknown reasons. [8]

I used to get involved in these "The Holocaust Never Happened" threads all the time.

Know what I found?

The Curator at the Auschwitz-Birkenau Museum will gladly answer any questions you may have.

I for instance, asked about where evidence of so many bones and ashes where disposed of.

See, one of the question deniers love to ask is "If a human body can only be burned down to a shoebox sized pile of bone fragments and ash, where then, did all the ash and bone go?"

Think about it...do the math.
If approximately 1.2 million people where murdered and cremated there, thats 1.2 million shoebox sized sized piles of ash.

What happened to it?

It was mostly dumped in nearby rivers, and spread on farmland to increase soil fertilty.
Ash makes good fertilizer apparently.

However, there are spots in the camp where human ash can still be seen, even today, 60+ years after.
Its a good question, and not one that gets talked about.
This makes it a good question for Idiot Holocaust Deniers to ask, becuase not many people actually know, and cant answer.

I'd n00k myself

I think every nation in the world capable of it would probably n00k itself! :p


"Not another one!!!"

*KABOOM!*

Ego, the nature of "me", is the biggest myth, and god is the greatest conspiracy theory, to cover it up, in order to maintain egotism!
Anything, thought and action, based on fears and desires, will be in order to continue this egotism.

One of the latest and greatest expression of this (f)act, would be the story of so called "Mass destruction weapons in irak" - First the conspirasy makers clammed to be right in there agitations, then they where proven wrong. So, they gave a dame and went in to irak with all there own weapons of mass destruction, to make sure that irak has weapon of mass destruction, and that the rest of the world, soon is going to be full of the same kinds of weapons, namely the conspiraters brand of destruktion. Funny is it, that the manegers actualy succeeded in foolling the hole world, just because of egotism = fear and desire, everybody believed in them and lost there commen sence. By terror, terror is spred! This is what egotism is doing, spreding terror, terrorfying the rest of the world, and its only possible because the population has escaped in to a state of doubt and hope, this is what the US is taking advantage of, in order to sell more weapons of massdestuction, and by so, maintain a state of fear and desire! - Terrorfying, is'n it!?

When power and responsibility is seperated, it's a clear sign of conspiracy in action!

It was mostly dumped in nearby rivers, and spread on farmland to increase soil fertilty.
Ash makes good fertilizer apparently.

no. one of the problems with volcaneos is that ash that is sent into the air, comes back down and destroys the fertile soil it lands on. so i dont think ash makes a good fertilizer.

Historians and Holocaust specialists are in Iran today holding a conference on wether the holocaust happened or not.

Historians and Holocaust specialists are in Iran today holding a conference on wether the holocaust happened or not.

cool. probably the best place to have it.

so with all the theories about how many bullets killed JFK, they found his killer relatively quickly.

when martin luther king was assassinated, 4 people were pointing to where the bullet had come from.

how come it took 3 months to find his killer?

cool. probably the best place to have it.
Don't worry, there was a lot of orthodox jewish representation.

Historians and Holocaust specialists are in Iran today holding a conference on wether the holocaust happened or not.

http://www.davidduke.com/mp3/tehranholoconferencefinal.mp3
http://www.davidduke.com//images/dukeholoconference1.jpg
David Duke speaks in Tehran at the Holocaust Conference

There are many false reports about my speech in Tehran, here is the actual text of my speech on December 11, 2006 at the Holocaust Conference

Freedom of Speech and the Holocaust
Address by David Duke, PhD at the Holocaust Conference in Tehran, Iran

Former member of the House of Representatives
State of Louisiana, United States of America

www.davidduke.com email: dukeeuro@hotmail.com

Distinguished friends,

Thank you Dr. Mohammadi and all the distinguished scholars who are here at a conference that history shall one day deem as one of the most important of the 21st century

I and all the conference participants must be especially thankful to the President of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has had the knowledge, the foresight and the courage to convene this conference to offer free speech for the world’s most repressed idea, Holocaust revisionism. We must remember that the main themes of this conference as stated by Iran’s President are the vital human right of freedom of speech and the condemnation of the shameful imprisonment of European scholars and academics who simply dare to state their opinions of historical events that occurred over 60 years ago.

This conference embraces the idea of free speech, thought, and conscience. The U.S. State Department, under thorough control of International Zionism, in a formal statement called this conference a quote, “disgrace.” The real disgrace is that free men are imprisoned and silenced in Europe and in other European-descended nations around the world. The disgrace is that no leaders of our own nations seem have the courage to defend free speech.

I also want to thank your President for inviting me, as controversial as I am, to be here. The Zionist-influenced media lies about me with the same enthusiasm as they lie about him.

He will be condemned for having me here, and I as a former American elected official will be condemned by the Zionist influenced press in America for coming here in peace and friendship to a nation that they hate: the nation of Iran.

But, we at this conference have decided that no longer will we let the Zionists dictate to us. They shall not dictate to us who will be our friends, who will be our enemies, nor will we permit them to dictate to us only their version of the past, and we will certainly not let them dictate our future!

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is oh so cool.

Historians and Holocaust specialists are in Iran today holding a conference on wether the holocaust happened or not.

Cool. Maybe they'll join the rest of the world with the conclusion we came to over 60 years ago.

Cool. Maybe they'll join the rest of the world with the conclusion we came to over 60 years ago.
Did you know that the 6 million number was invented BEFORE the war?

Like I said, provide FACT please. So many people are quick to say what they have been told was the truth, but how many of you ACTUALLY LOOKED INTO IT YOURSELVES?

Anyone that does usually has the common sense to say to themselves that there is something not right about the 6 million number.

Again, I challange anyone to provide cold hard facts supporting the holocaust.

Did you know that the 6 million number was invented BEFORE the war?

Like I said, provide FACT please. So many people are quick to say what they have been told was the truth, but how many of you ACTUALLY LOOKED INTO IT YOURSELVES?

Anyone that does usually has the common sense to say to themselves that there is something not right about the 6 million number.

Again, I challange anyone to provide cold hard facts supporting the holocaust.

You can start by taking a history class, and dropping anti-Semitic bias.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust

You can start by taking a history class, and dropping anti-Semitic bias.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust

wikipedia is so biased it hurst. Anyone can write what they want, it's a wiki.

And for the record, anyone who is a revisionist isnt anti-semitic. Thats just liberalized talk to make people assume I'm an anti-semite.

wikipedia is so biased it hurst. Anyone can write what they want, it's a wiki.

and you expect that tehran conference isn't biased as all fuck? the people attending it are notoriously either anti-Israel or plain anti-Semitic. and you stated that wikipedia is biased. back up your facts. you show a distinct ignorance about the wiki system, like a lot of people who assume that "anyone can edit = all facts are false and biased, and such cannot be considered." which is clearly false.

and you expect that tehran conference isn't biased as all fuck? the people attending it are notoriously either anti-Israel or plain anti-Semitic. and you stated that wikipedia is biased. back up your facts. you show a distinct ignorance about the wiki system, like a lot of people who assume that "anyone can edit = all facts are false and biased, and such cannot be considered." which is clearly false.
There we many jews at the conference, voicing their opinions, not to mention others who do not agree with revisionism.

Wikipedia can be edited by anyone with an internet connection, meaning anyone can write false info(ever notice that a lot of articals on wikipedia need citation?)

I never said that the info was false, I said it was biased and could be false.

I have had to change a lot of things on wikipedia, ranging from all topics, because people stated flase "facts" or made false translations and didn't use references.

Prove its fact. That's all that would matter in an international court.

That everybody but LHO shot president Kennedy


It was the CIA, as everyone knows. Jesus, how stupid do they think we are?:mad:

And just look at the 9/11 footage. It looks like a bloody demolition! Buildings NEVER fall straight down like that!

EDIT: Never mind, I just saw that there's a Holocaust denier on this board. They'll believe anything.

Young-Earth Creationism.

Also, David Icke's stuff is pretty out there, especially given how hard some people defend it...chemtrails are also pretty good.

<snip>

None of that is evidence. They are just claims, most easily proven false such as that laughable one about Anne Frank's diary. Just as it is with for instance the moon-landing conspiracy, the onus is on the denier to provide actual evidence for their claims, since they and their associated evidence has already been accepted by most rational people.

There we many jews at the conference, voicing their opinions, not to mention others who do not agree with revisionism.

Wikipedia can be edited by anyone with an internet connection, meaning anyone can write false info(ever notice that a lot of articals on wikipedia need citation?)

I never said that the info was false, I said it was biased and could be false.

I have had to change a lot of things on wikipedia, ranging from all topics, because people stated flase "facts" or made false translations and didn't use references.

Prove its fact. That's all that would matter in an international court.

The Jews at the conference were there to voice that the Holocaust didn't justify the creation of Israel, nothing more.

I could bring up plenty of pictures of skeleton-bodied people, not to mention show you the mass graves and incinerators, and gas chambers, but I doubt it would change your mind much.

Why was this thread bumped after 4 damn months?

The whole point of my posting all of thsi is to prove that Adolf Hitler isnt the monster that 'history' claims him to be.

Hey naziboy, have you considered emulating your Hitler to the full? I mean aside from defending the German people against the deception of the Jews and their pawns. I think you should go for broke and try the Luger method of world exit.

extra terrestrial aliens from one particular world that is in violation of half a zillion pan galactic agreements and articles of the galacitic united nations are actualy running the super power governments of earth, and more pertinently, the corporatocracy. because they want to manipulate the people of earth into remaining and if anything, becoming even more war-like so they can use them/us, as expendible grunt forces with which to attack the better self diciplined worlds of the rest of the universe.

=^^=
.../\...

Personally, a "conspiracy theory" that I find perfectly plausible for explaining the Bush Foreign Policy doctrine in the Middle East and elsewhere, in particular Iraq, Iran and Venezuela. In short?

Dollar Hegemony.

After World War II, most of Europe and Japan lay economically prostrate, their industries in shambles and production, in general, at a minimum level. The U.S. was the only major power to escape the destruction of war, its industries thriving with a high level of productivity. In addition, prior to and during WWII, due to extreme political and economic upheaval, a considerable amount of gold from European countries was transferred to the U.S. Thus, after WWII the U.S. had accumulated 80 percent of the world's gold and 40 percent of the world's production. At the founding of the World Bank (WB) and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) in 1944-45, U.S. predominance was absolute. A fixed exchange currency was established based on gold, the gold-dollar standard, wherein the value of the dollar was pegged to the price of gold-U.S. $35 per ounce of gold. Because gold was combined with U.S. bank notes, the dollar note and gold became equivalent, which then became the international reserve currency.

Initially, the U.S. had $30 billion in gold reserves. But the United States spent more than $500 billion on the Vietnam War alone, from 1967-1972. During these years, the U.S. had over 110 military bases across the globe, each costing hundreds of millions of dollars a year. These expenses were paid in paper dollars and the total number given out far exceeded the gold reserve of the U.S treasury. By then (1971-72), the U.S. Treasury was running out of gold and had only $10 billion in gold left. On August 17, 1971, Nixon suspended the U.S. dollar conversion into gold. Thus, the dollar was "floated" in the international monetary market.

Also in the early 1970s, U.S. oil production peaked and its energy resources began to deplete. Its own oil production could not keep pace with growing home consumption. Since then, U.S. demand for oil continually increased, and by 2002-2003 the U.S. imported approximately 60 percent of its oil-OPEC (primarily Saudi Arabia) being the main exporter. The U.S. sought to protect its dollar strength and hegemony by ensuring that Saudi Arabia price its oil only in dollars. To achieve this, the U.S. made a deal, some say a secret one, that it would protect the Saudi regime in exchange for their selling oil only in dollars.

Saudi Arabia, the largest oil producer with the largest known oil reserves, is the leader of OPEC. It is the only member of the OPEC cartel that does not have an allotted production quota. It is the "swing producer," i.e., it can increase or decrease oil production to bring oil draught or glut in the world market. This enables it more or less to determine prices.

Oil can be bought from OPEC only if you have dollars. Non-oil producing countries, such as most underdeveloped countries and Japan, first have to sell their goods to earn dollars with which they can purchase oil. If they cannot earn enough dollars, then they have to borrow dollars from the WB/IMF, which have to be paid back, with interest, in dollars. This creates a great demand for dollars outside the U.S. In contrast, the U.S. only has to print dollar bills in exchange for goods. Even for its own oil imports, the U.S. can print dollar bills without exporting or selling its goods. For instance, in 2003 the current U.S. account deficit and external debt has been running at more than $500 billion. Put in simple terms, the U.S. will receive $500 billion more in goods and services from other countries than it will provide them. The imported goods are paid by printing dollar bills, i.e., "fiat" dollars.

Such fiat dollars are invested or deposited in U.S. banks or the U.S. Treasury by most non-oil producing, underdeveloped countries to protect their currencies and generate oil credit. Today foreigners hold 48 percent of the U.S. Treasury bond market and own 24 percent of the U.S. corporate bond market and 20 percent of all U.S. corporations. In total, foreigners hold $8 trillion of U.S. assets. Nevertheless, the foreign deposited dollars strengthen the U.S. dollar and give the United States enormous power to manipulate the world economy, set rules, and prevail in the international market.

Thus, the U. S. effectively controls the world oil-market as the dollar has become the "fiat" international trading currency. Today U.S. currency accounts for approximately two-thirds of all official exchange reserves. More than four-fifths of all foreign exchange transactions and half of all the world exports are denominated in dollars and U.S. currency accounts for about two-thirds of all official exchange reserves. The fact that billions of dollars worth of oil is priced in dollars ensures the world domination of the dollar. It allows the U.S. to act as the world's central bank, printing currency acceptable everywhere. The dollar has become an oil-backed, not gold-backed, currency.
If OPEC oil could be sold in other currencies, e.g. the euro, then U.S. economic dominance-dollar imperialism or hegemony-would be seriously challenged. More and more oil importing countries would acquire the euro as their "reserve," its value would increase, and a larger amount of trade would be transacted and denominated in euros. In such circumstances, the value of the dollar would most likely go down, some speculate between 20-40 percent.
In November 2000, Iraq began selling its oil in euros. Iraq's oil for food account at the UN was also in euros and Iraq later converted its $10 billion reserve fund at the UN to euros. Several other oil producing countries have also agreed to sell oil in euros-Iran, Libya, Venezuela, Russia, Indonesia, and Malaysia (soon to join this group). In July 2003, China announced that it would switch part of its dollar reserves into the world's emerging "reserve currency" (the euro).

On January 1, 1999, when 11 European countries formed a monetary union around this currency, Britain and Norway, the major oil producers, were absent. As the U.S. economy began to slow down during mid-2000, Western stock markets began to yield lower dividends. Investors from Gulf Cooperation Council nations lost over $800 million in the stock plunge. As investors sold U.S. assets and reinvested in Europe, which seemed to be better shielded from a recession, the euro began to gain ground against the dollar .

After September 11, 2001, Islamic financiers began to repatriate their dollar investments-amounting to billions of dollars-to Arab banks, as they were worried about the possible seizure of their assets under the USA PATRIOT Act. Also, they feared their accounts might be frozen on the suspicion that such accounts fund Islamic terrorists. Iranian sources stated that their banking colleagues felt particularly hassled as Washington heated up its war of words and threats of military intervention. This encouraged Tehran to abandon the dollar payment for oil sales and switch to the euro. Iran also moved the majority of its reserve fund to the euro. (Iran is the latest target of the U.S., which has interfered by stirring up opposition forces, and making covert threats.)


In November 2000, Iraq began selling its oil in euros. Iraq's oil for food account at the UN was also in euros and Iraq later converted its $10 billion reserve fund at the UN to euros. Several other oil producing countries have also agreed to sell oil in euros-Iran, Libya, Venezuela, Russia, Indonesia, and Malaysia (soon to join this group). In July 2003, China announced that it would switch part of its dollar reserves into the world's emerging "reserve currency" (the euro).

After the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq, the U.S. controlled the natural resources of these two countries and, once again, Iraq's oil began to be traded in U.S. dollars. The UN's oil for food production program was scrapped and the U.S. Iaunched its Iraqi Assistance Fund in U.S. dollars. In December 2003, the U.S. (Pentagon) announced that it had barred French, German, and Russian oil and other companies from bidding on Iraq's reconstruction.

Oil for euros would be far more helpful if oil-importing underdeveloped countries could develop some form of barter arrangement for their goods to obtain oil from OPEC. Venezuela (Chavez) has presented a successful working model of this. Following Venezuela's lead, several underdeveloped countries began bartering their undervalued commodities directly with each other in computerized swaps and counter trade deals, and commodities are now traded among these countries in exchange for Venezuela's oil. President Chavez has linked 13 such barter deals on its oil; e.g., with Cuba in exchange for Cuban doctors and paramedics who are setting up clinics in shanty towns and rural areas. Such arrangements help underdeveloped countries save their hard currencies, lessening indebtedness to international bankers, the World Bank, and IMF, so that money thus saved can be used for internal development.



So basically the true motivation for war with Iraq was:
1. Safeguard the U.S. economy by re-denominating Iraqi oil in U.S. dollars, instead of the euro, to try to lock the world back into dollar oil trading so the U.S. would remain the dominant world power-militarily and economically.
2. Send a clear message to other oil producers as to what will happen to them if they abandon the dollar matrix.
3. Place the second largest oil reserve under direct U.S. control.
4. Create a subject state where the U.S. can maintain a huge force to dominate the Middle East and its oil.
5. Create a severe setback to the European Union and its euro, the only trading block and currency strong enough to attack U.S. dominance of the world through trade.

This theory also explains Bush's decisions concerning both Iran and Venezuela. What does everyone else think?

Conspiracy Thoerists
Dont know
moon landings were facked one
she is normaly
They woz facked!

There is a conspiracy to destroy english grammar!;)

Dollar Hegemony.
...
What does everyone else think?

I give you my point of view.

Bush needs to keep the key to the USD/EUR exchange ratio. By controlling most of the world's oil resources, he can elect to have a stronger dollar when it comes to buying oil (the US import oil), and a weaker dollar when it comes to repaying the huge US debt (look at the CIA factbook for reference).

This is also one of the reasons for me to think that the iranian nuclear crisis is hiding a great oil issue: if Iran, who has some of the world's largest oil reserves, stops using oil for power and begins using uranium, there will be a lot of crude on the world market that isn't under US control.

Imperialism is still the supreme phase of capitalism...

extra terrestrial aliens ...

Naah. They just want to demolish Earth to build an interstellar motorway.

What is the best and biggest conspiracy theory you have heard anyone argue? The Abduction of Elvis? The Garden of Eden? Life?
Anyway.... If anyone has any interesting ones we can discuss them. Then destroy them....

Dont know the defnition of a consiracy theory? -
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/conspiracy

The Global Warming conspiracy being just a hoax perpetrated by all the credible scientists in the world and Greenpeace trying to drum up publicity for Hollywood movies.

Naah. They just want to demolish Earth to build an interstellar motorway.

That's just a cover man. The new edition of the Hitchhiker's guide can think. It freakin' thinks man. Just blowin' Earth up is just the start. It wants to blow up the idea of Earth. It wants to make it not just so that Earth doesn't exist, but that it can't exist. That the whole idea of a blue watery planet covered in humans is as impossible as a big pile of water. The highway is just a start.

The biggest I suppose are the Illuminati, Jesuits(the black pope) and the Reptilian humanoid thing. Fake moon landings(a stupid conspiracy theory.. imo) and incidents like JFK or 911 are small in comparison. What's interesting me atm is the conspiracy about government cover up of alien beings. :p That, if so, is a big conspiracy.

For me it's a toss-up between the 9/11 conspiracies and the perpetual motion conspiracies. They've both been proven so very wrong, the latter is even a direct contradiction of the known laws of physics, yet both still have so many believers.

Official Website for the Titanic truth movement (http://maddox.xmission.com/)

An iceberg was blamed for sinking the Titanic. Yeah right. Do they expect us to believe that ice--which is frozen water--is stronger than metal--the stuff they make swords out of? If icebergs are really that tough, then why don't people make boats out of icebergs instead?

i laughed

There is a conspiracy to destroy english grammar!;)

*points out mistakes in sentence*
*whistles innocently*
*surreptitiously points to his sig and his titles*


Anyway...
Unfortunately, my uncle has become a major conspiracy theorist. He is obsessed with aliens, the damned 11/9 conspiracy theories, so-called 'chemtrails' (a theory that aeroplane contrails contain poison in an attempt to kill 75% or so of the world population; funny how you don't see our leaders wearing gas masks very often, eh?), global warming (this is almost the most annoying to myself) and, lastly, the one which really makes my blood boil and which makes me want to do nothing more than punch him when he spouts his rubbish and doesn't listen to anyone else, he denies the Holocaust.
And when I try to discuss these things with him he resorts to insults and abuse.
I have watched videos and heard sound recordings of Hitler; I have seen photographs, talked to survivors of the Holocaust (including one very sweet gentleman who is very old indeed and who played in the same street as Anne Frank and often saw her, though did not actually know her), read as many books on this as I can and, in various ways, studied the Holocaust.
My conclusion? THAT IT DID HAPPEN, AND THAT IT WAS AS BAD AS REPORTED, OR PERHAPS EVEN WORSE.
Eleven million people in all died; six million Jews, five million others made up mainly of homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, the disabled, political opponents of the Nazis, gypsy tribes, negroes and various other people.
They are all in on the conspiracy, are they? I note that whilst many deniers of the Holocaust will happily state such things about Jews, they tend to forget the five million others who represent a relatively small but significant part of the world population.
I would suggest that this is because they have not really studied it in detail and think of the Holocaust, or Churban as many Jews prefer it to be called, as equalling the death of Jews only.
I live next door to a Jehovah's Witness, a very pleasant woman indeed. Is she part of some global conspiracy?

As a highly moral person I cannot sit back and let various idiots insult the memory of eleven million dead; I will fight to the end, and that end shall be that of the conspiracy theorists.
In all major controversial theories the appeals to emotion and misinterpreted evidence of the conspiracy theorists has been successfully countered by scientific fact and historical proof.
Those who continue to spread such idiotic theories should accept this and move on. If you really want to do something to help humanity, as you seem to see your actions as doing, then program something to search for signs of possible alien life or download Seti@Home or something.
But at the very least stop insulting the memory of the dead.

Ilaer

Here's one of my own:

A few years ago NASA came out with an announcement that an asteroid has a good chance of hitting the earth in 2035 or so. A day later they renounced that announcement, saying that it would come close, but wouldn't hit us. Move forward several years. George Bush announces a plan to establish a permanent base on the moon and missions to Mars. Why do this? Because the asteroid IS going to hit us, and Bush wants to set up an enclave to make sure that the neo-conservatives survive the destruction.

:D

Fact. Crazy, eh?

It's only a "fact" if you neglect the carpet bombing of Guernica by Franco, Hitler's ol' buddy, WELL before WWII.

theres some odd irish comspiracy thoeries boiling.

things like why was the dublin roit allowed to happen?
i would be of the opinion that it was publicity stunt by the current gov
to provoke a reaction from sinn fein. due to the alarming increased popularity, but the riot seemed to make sinn fein more popular.
those who dont know, sinn fein are the ira political wing. tyhe dublin riot happend last year, it was the biggest riot in about 80years.

check out aload of clips on youtube. (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dublin+riots)

also there has been a large increase of shootings in my area. shootings are unusual where i live, but it never comes up in the media. it did at the start but not anymore. a month ago a man took 6 hostages with a grenade and no one new about it accept people who lived on the road. cad é an sceal?

May I ask what these riots were about?

The Global Warming conspiracy being just a hoax perpetrated by all the credible scientists in the world and Greenpeace trying to drum up publicity for Hollywood movies.
:)

We don't even have to leave this board to find a good one. How about the "Eve Online is really Deep Kimchi in disguise" conspiracy theory? Never mind that they have completely different writing styles, different personalities, and different delusions/worldviews. They're both right-wing paranoid maniacs in the DC area, so they must be the same person! :p

Official Website for the Titanic truth movement (http://maddox.xmission.com/)


Thanks for the link - that site is pure genius.

There is a persistent conspiracy theory about the Titanic. Namely that it was actually the Olympic, (its damaged sister ship) hastily redecorated to look like the Titanic and then deliberately sunk to con the insurance company out of a vast sum.
The theory was disproved when the first submersibles started to explore the wreck, but people continue to honk on about it:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0711026335/rmstitanic0d

That's just a cover man. The new edition of the Hitchhiker's guide can think. It freakin' thinks man. Just blowin' Earth up is just the start. It wants to blow up the idea of Earth. It wants to make it not just so that Earth doesn't exist, but that it can't exist. That the whole idea of a blue watery planet covered in humans is as impossible as a big pile of water. The highway is just a start.
<3

Oh, and about the Illumanati & all that--they found the bones of Jesus a few years back. He was buried with Mary Magdalene and their son. The archaeologists quietly reburied him, and the media acts as if nothing happened.