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youre the one who said "But if you can't trust Scripture, you don't know that there was a Jesus."

where is your faith? in the bible or in jesus?

My faith is in Jesus as told to me by the Bible. Because God prompts me to believe, I faith in Him that He would perfectly reveal everything I need to know about Him through His Word.

My faith is in Jesus as told to me by the Bible. Because God prompts me to believe, I faith in Him that He would reveal everything I need to know about Him perfectly through His Word.

you cant know god perfectly

thats like expecting your dog to understand you perfectly.

you cant know god perfectly

thats like expecting your dog to understand you perfectly.

Sorry, misplaced the adjective.

My faith is in Jesus as told to me by the Bible. Because God prompts me to believe, I faith in Him that He would perfectly reveal everything I need to know about Him through His Word.

If God prompts you to believe, then your ultimate belief would be in God. If they Bible were then somewhat inaccurate, you wouldn't lose all hope, as God would still be there to provide guidance. God could guide you in what lessons you should glean from the Bible, from your own experiences, maybe even from other Scripture.

If, on the other hand, it is your belief in the Bible that prompts you to believe in God, you are in trouble if the Bible is inaccurate. If the Bible is what causes you to believe in God, then you will lose that belief if you stop believing in the absolute accuracy of the Bible.

If God prompts you to believe, then your ultimate belief would be in God. If they Bible were then somewhat inaccurate, you wouldn't lose all hope, as God would still be there to provide guidance. God could guide you in what lessons you should glean from the Bible, from your own experiences, maybe even from other Scripture.

If, on the other hand, it is your belief in the Bible that prompts you to believe in God, you are in trouble if the Bible is inaccurate. If the Bible is what causes you to believe in God, then you will lose that belief if you stop believing in the absolute accuracy of the Bible.

If the Bible is God's Word, it cannot be inaccurate.

My faith is in Jesus as told to me by the Bible. Because God prompts me to believe, I faith in Him that He would perfectly reveal everything I need to know about Him through His Word.

i can agree with that.

everything you need to know about him is in the gospels. they are mostly simple ideas like "follow me" and "whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers that you do unto me" and "love your neighbor as yourself"

that doesnt mean that that is all there is. there is much more to god than can be put into a book. there is much more to your experience of god than can be put into a book.

No, there are Biblical verses backing it up. I can't find any right now (Of course, why would I be able to find them when I need them?). The ones which say that all Scripture is God breathed and that God gave us all that He wants us to know.



2 Timothy 3:16

And I fully agree with it. You have a personal and specific belief about what "God-breathed" must mean though. God breathes life into the words of man. It does not say that all scripture is the inerrant words of God.

Also of note, this passage would be referring to the OT scripture since there would have been no NT scripture for it to yet refer to.


And? He still explained it, and they in turn explained it to us.


And He didn't explain everything, the disciples are often confused.
Also, the masses he taught, they never heard the explanations we get to read. Why would Jesus have a need for inerrant scripture to come, yet not bother to teach the meaning behind his parables to the masses gathered?


Sorry, Modernist has an almost dirty connotation in my mind.

The terms are irrelevant and fluid with time. Disregard them if you like.
My point is that you still hold scripture as textbook that it can't stand up to and in my opinion, you lose the mystery that defines faith led by Spirit.

If the Bible is God's Word, it cannot be inaccurate.

what bible?

the jewish bible?

the orthodox bible?

the catholic bible?

the protestant bible?

the mormon bible?

which translation?

which interpretation?

If the Bible is God's Word, it cannot be inaccurate.

If I quote you, is it impossible for me to get something wrong? If I listen to you lecture and then try to summarize the important parts, is it impossible for me to leave some things out, add in a few more that I inferred, or just misunderstand something?

My faith is in Jesus as told to me by the Bible. Because God prompts me to believe, I faith in Him that He would perfectly reveal everything I need to know about Him through His Word.

Do you understand how illogical that is?

Why do you have faith he would reveal everything perfectly? Because the Bible says so.

You don't 'believe' in God or Jesus, you believe a book.

If the Bible is God's Word, it cannot be inaccurate.

It isn't.

At least - you can't independently prove that it is.

That is why your argument is nonsensical - it entirely relies on a book. You only even know the 'properties' of god, because that book tells you them.


Little thought-experiment for you:

Satan wrote the bible. He claimed to be god.

Now where do you stand?

If I quote you, is it impossible for me to get something wrong? If I listen to you lecture and then try to summarize the important parts, is it impossible for me to leave some things out, add in a few more that I inferred, or just misunderstand something?

Simple example - where was Jesus, exactly three days after his baptism?