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So...religious breakdown here?

Zarakon
08-12-2006, 01:16
Just curious about the various religions here. I know we have a bunch of athiests and a couple of muslims....
Whereyouthinkyougoing
08-12-2006, 01:20
What the hell is "Irish Catholic"?? O_O
Compulsive Depression
08-12-2006, 01:21
What the hell is "Irish Catholic"?? O_O

Drunk.
The Aeson
08-12-2006, 01:21
My religion functions fine, thank you.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
08-12-2006, 01:21
Drunk.
Of course.

My religion functions fine, thank you.
:p
Fassigen
08-12-2006, 01:22
Atheism is not a religion.
Skibereen
08-12-2006, 01:23
Centrist Protestant...the bird dont fly without two wings.
CanuckHeaven
08-12-2006, 01:24
Atheism is not a religion.
Yup....the poll is skewed!! :p
The Aeson
08-12-2006, 01:25
Of course.


:p

That's my second horrible pun in as many hours. I'm worried I may have come down with something.
Dobbsworld
08-12-2006, 01:25
Nice poll. Four flavours of Christian and you lumped an extra Christian sect in with the Wiccans, who you've relegated to the "Occult". To quote my fiance, "What the fuck is an Irish Catholic supposed to be, anyway?"

I dunno - a Leprechaun with a Rosary?
Sumamba Buwhan
08-12-2006, 01:28
how about spiritual but not religious?
Fassigen
08-12-2006, 01:28
I dunno - a Leprechaun with a Rosary?

No, no. An Irish Catholic is one who has to go to the UK to get his daughter an abortion. The other flavours of Catholic either have it in their country, or use the abortion boats.
Intra-Muros
08-12-2006, 01:28
Just curious about the various religions here. I know we have a bunch of athiests and a couple of muslims....

I thought this topic was going to be about you having a religious breakdown.:p
Dobbsworld
08-12-2006, 01:29
how about spiritual but not religious?

Hey Su. Best of the season to you and yours, btw.
The Aeson
08-12-2006, 01:29
how about spiritual but not religious?

That would make you a satanist. *nodnod*
Pirated Corsairs
08-12-2006, 01:31
Pastafarian.
Sumamba Buwhan
08-12-2006, 01:33
:fluffle: Hey Su. Best of the season to you and yours, btw.

ditto Dobbsy!

update: My wife is back at work now (even though there are 5 more cycles of chemo left and then a month of radiation after that) and feelign pretty good. We're hoping that she continues to be strong and upbeat!!!



That would make you a satanist. *nodnod*

Hows that?
Isn't Satanism a religion?
Skibereen
08-12-2006, 01:35
I didnt even notice how skewed this poll was I just saw I wasnt on the list.

What about Hindu? Buddhism? I mean there are what 900 million+ Hindus?

It is the oldest organized religion in the world.

Buddhism, how do you leave out Buddhism and include Discordian?

You have ten options in a poll I believe and this is what we get...

I am Irish(American) and I know a few Catholic Irish, some fresh from Ireland and others a few generations here...funny thing is they are ROMAN CATHOLIC.
Kinda Sensible people
08-12-2006, 01:36
As NS's sole Ignostic, I am offended that we of the Ignostic minority were ignored in this poll. For shame. :p
The Aeson
08-12-2006, 01:37
\Hows that?
Isn't Satanism a religion?

See, the options are Christian, Atheist, or Satanist.

Or at least, they would be, if the poll was jeeest a little more tipped towards Christianity.

Seriously though, I would say Other, for this particular poll.
Skibereen
08-12-2006, 01:37
:fluffle:

ditto Dobbsy!

update: My wife is back at work now (even though there are 5 more cycles of chemo left and then a month of radiation after that) and feelign pretty good. We're hoping that she continues to be strong and upbeat!!!





Hows that?
Isn't Satanism a religion?

Yes Satanism is a religion and religion does not automtcially equal Theist.
Or even Divinity.
If you would refer to the Church of Satan website you can read up...and yes I did say I was a Christian Centrist.
Sumamba Buwhan
08-12-2006, 01:38
See, the options are Christian, Atheist, or Satanist.

Or at least, they would be, if the poll was jeeest a little more tipped towards Christianity.

Seriously though, I would say Other, for this particular poll.

thats what I picked

I am other than religious
Sumamba Buwhan
08-12-2006, 01:41
Yes Satanism is a religion and religion does not automtcially equal Theist.
Or even Divinity.
If you would refer to the Church of Satan website you can read up...and yes I did say I was a Christian Centrist.


Naw I couldn't care less about Satanists... I was just wondering how I could be labeled a Satanist just becaue I am spiritual but dont follow any religion(s).
Rejistania
08-12-2006, 01:45
Pastafarian.
Church of Emacs!
Chandelier
08-12-2006, 01:49
I'm Roman Catholic.
Skibereen
08-12-2006, 01:49
Naw I couldn't care less about Satanists... I was just wondering how I could be labeled a Satanist just becaue I am spiritual but dont follow any religion(s).

I would call the Church of Satan Satanists Spritiual Hedonists...if that makes any sense. You could supplant Hedonist with Humanist, but i think Hedonist is a better fit.
Compulsive Depression
08-12-2006, 01:54
Church of Emacs!

People who use Emacs, people who use Debian and (even worse) people who use Emacs on Debian make Al Qaeda look positively calm and well-adjusted.

("Oh, I just used Notepad."
"Notepad? On Windows?! EMACS! DEBIAN! RAGE!"
"But it was only a twenty byte file! Windows was booted anyway!"
"RAAARRRGH!" *Kills everyone within sixty miles* "EMACS! DEBIAN! NO, NOT VI OR PICO OR OTHER INFERIOR TEXT EDITORS! ANGER! RAGE!")
Sumamba Buwhan
08-12-2006, 01:56
I would call the Church of Satan Satanists Spritiual Hedonists...if that makes any sense. You could supplant Hedonist with Humanist, but i think Hedonist is a better fit.

well it sounds nice but still isnt for me.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
08-12-2006, 01:59
update: My wife is back at work now (even though there are 5 more cycles of chemo left and then a month of radiation after that) and feelign pretty good. We're hoping that she continues to be strong and upbeat!!! Aw yay, that's so very good to hear. :) :fluffle:
Sumamba Buwhan
08-12-2006, 02:01
Aw yay, that's so very good to hear. :) :fluffle:

thank you!

:fluffle:
Swilatia
08-12-2006, 02:13
why isn't atheist on the poll?
Smunkeeville
08-12-2006, 02:14
I don't know how to answer on the poll. :confused: :(
Gorias
08-12-2006, 02:24
how about darrenbrownism?
all those who doubt his powers shall burn in hell! or technically speaching if you doubt his powers he cant do anything. if i could be one person in the world it would be him. he is the only person in the world that i envy.
Vetalia
08-12-2006, 02:25
Agnostic, leaning towards agnostic theism.
Edwardis
08-12-2006, 02:27
Christian
Protestant
Evangelical
Reformed/Calvinist
Presbyterian

So, I guess Right-Wing Protestant

Also Charismatic, but that doesn't fit in the tree.
Liberated New Ireland
08-12-2006, 02:28
Roman Catholic. There's no such religion as "Irish Catholicism".

Irish Catholics is a term used to describe Irish people or people of Irish descent who are of Roman Catholic background.
Maraque
08-12-2006, 02:31
Agnosticism and Atheism together? BS. That's almost insulting to me. :mad:
Zarakon
08-12-2006, 02:36
Hows that?
Isn't Satanism a religion?

It's more of a heresay. A religion would have it's own views, whereas satanism is based on christian views.
Zarakon
08-12-2006, 02:41
Agnosticism and Atheism together? BS. That's almost insulting to me. :mad:

Umm...tough?

Listen, I get the point. Irish Catholicism is not a religion, etc, etc.
Liberated New Ireland
08-12-2006, 02:44
It's more of a heresay. A religion would have it's own views, whereas satanism is based on christian views.

'Heresy'.

And Satanism isn't just the foil of Christianity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism

But I've never met a likeable practitioner. It's not that they're T3H EB1L H3RETICS!!!ONE, it's more that they're all arrogant dorks. :D
Liberated New Ireland
08-12-2006, 02:47
Agnosticism and Atheism together? BS. That's almost insulting to me. :mad:

Really, agnosticism is the fence-sitting version of atheism (at least, according to some of the more intelligent atheists I know). It's seems to be saying "I want to appear smart by not believing in God, and I don't want to go to hell for not believing in God."
Zarakon
08-12-2006, 02:48
Really, agnosticism is the fence-sitting version of atheism (at least, according to some of the more intelligent atheists I know). It's seems to be saying "I want to appear smart by not believing in God, and I don't want to go to hell for not believing in God."

Isn't an agnostic just an atheist with no balls?
-Stephan Colbert
Mogtaria
08-12-2006, 02:48
I follow my own very personal religion which is constantly under scrutiny by myself and amended, however it ties in most closely with Buddhism. A Buddha statue even sits atop my PC, mostly because he makes me smile though (he's a laughing one). However I unshakably believe in the following:

Reincarnation
Nirvana (the state of being not the rock band)
Ki (or Chi whichever you like to call it basically life energy)
The Soul (but not in the traditional sense)
The reason for life is to enjoy it.
The meaning of life will only become apparent when you die.

All else is subject to change without notice at my discretion.
Liberated New Ireland
08-12-2006, 02:59
Isn't an agnostic just an atheist with no balls?
-Stephan Colbert

lol

He's no John Stewart, but he has his moments...
Zarakon
08-12-2006, 03:00
lol

He's no John Stewart, but he has his moments...

He said that to the guy who wrote Misquoting Jesus
Liberated New Ireland
08-12-2006, 03:00
I follow my own very personal religion which is constantly under scrutiny by myself and amended, however it ties in most closely with Buddhism. A Buddha statue even sits atop my PC, mostly because he makes me smile though (he's a laughing one). However I unshakably believe in the following:

Reincarnation
Nirvana (the state of being not the rock band)
Ki (or Chi whichever you like to call it basically life energy)
The Soul (but not in the traditional sense)
The reason for life is to enjoy it.
The meaning of life will only become apparent when you die.

All else is subject to change without notice at my discretion.

Don't the bolded parts contradict each other?
Symbodi
08-12-2006, 03:01
Really, agnosticism is the fence-sitting version of atheism (at least, according to some of the more intelligent atheists I know). It's seems to be saying "I want to appear smart by not believing in God, and I don't want to go to hell for not believing in God."

I know you won't like it but this strikes me as a little unfair. An agnostic sees the issue of God's existance as being outside of his capability to solve.

I frequently hear people say 'there is no evidence for God' but it really isn't that simple. In philosophical and metaphysical issues, it tends more to be about interpretation of ambiguous evidence. There are several faith systems that self consistently address the existance and nature of God. I just happen not to find them convincing. It is always a dangerous thing to ascribe motives to people whose positions you don't like.
Liberated New Ireland
08-12-2006, 03:02
He said that to the guy who wrote Misquoting Jesus

The popular perception of the Bible as a divinely perfect book receives scant support from Ehrman, who sees in Holy Writ ample evidence of human fallibility and ecclesiastical politics. Though himself schooled in evangelical literalism, Ehrman has come to regard his earlier faith in the inerrant inspiration of the Bible as misguided, given that the original texts have disappeared and that the extant texts available do not agree with one another. Most of the textual discrepancies, Ehrman acknowledges, matter little, but some do profoundly affect religious doctrine. To assess how ignorant or theologically manipulative scribes may have changed the biblical text, modern scholars have developed procedures for comparing diverging texts. And in language accessible to nonspecialists, Ehrman explains these procedures and their results. He further explains why textual criticism has frequently sparked intense controversy, especially among scripture-alone Protestants. In discounting not only the authenticity of existing manuscripts but also the inspiration of the original writers, Ehrman will deeply divide his readers. Although he addresses a popular audience, he undercuts the very religious attitudes that have made the Bible a popular book. Still, this is a useful overview for biblical history collections.

Hmm. Sounds like a book for me.
Edwardis
08-12-2006, 03:05
Isn't an agnostic just an atheist with no balls?
-Stephan Colbert

I shouldn't have laughed, but I did. :(
JuNii
08-12-2006, 03:07
Just curious about the various religions here. I know we have a bunch of athiests and a couple of muslims....

Christian.

I don't see myself as Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, Mormon or any other varients.
Mogtaria
08-12-2006, 03:07
Don't the bolded parts contradict each other?

No, because how can you be reincarnated if you don't die?

From life to life you perfect your soul, only upon the reflection at death can you see what your life has meant, this is then taken forward to the next part, you won't remember it though until the next brief limbo between death and rebirth. Which is why it's good to at least try and be a good person because in the physical world you will never know how far you've come.
Liberated New Ireland
08-12-2006, 03:12
I know you won't like it but this strikes me as a little unfair. An agnostic sees the issue of God's existance as being outside of his capability to solve.

I frequently hear people say 'there is no evidence for God' but it really isn't that simple. In philosophical and metaphysical issues, it tends more to be about interpretation of ambiguous evidence. There are several faith systems that self consistently address the existance and nature of God. I just happen not to find them convincing. It is always a dangerous thing to ascribe motives to people whose positions you don't like.
Not sure what to say. I guess it all comes down to what beliefs make you feel comfortable, or what you think is right. If no faith system strikes you as "correct", then, by all means, try to find your own answers.

The important thing is that you're thinking for yourself, and not blindly following a religion, harming unbelievers for your faith, and not blindly disbelieving in theism, harming believers for their faith.
I shouldn't have laughed, but I did. :(
It's okay. It's perfectly natural. :fluffle:
Liberated New Ireland
08-12-2006, 03:13
No, because how can you be reincarnated if you don't die?

From life to life you perfect your soul, only upon the reflection at death can you see what your life has meant, this is then taken forward to the next part, you won't remember it though until the next brief limbo between death and rebirth. Which is why it's good to at least try and be a good person because in the physical world you will never know how far you've come.

...alright. I gotcha.
Barbaric Tribes
08-12-2006, 03:13
My religon is base soley and entirely on anal sex. The more you have, the better your life is, the better you have, the higher place in the after life you will ascend to. Its the true faith, question me? then I'll BF you back to africa. Its simple, Anal sex dominates the headlines in the media, Its always been a trait among humans and we can't seem to do anything without arguing about it. The reason is simple, it is the Universal Constant. Its what holds this universe together, therby, the more you practice, the more in tune you become with the universe, it is also the only thing that unites all the cultures of the world, the fact that they encourge and dispute anal sex at any given moment. Rectal Sex Bless.
Mogtaria
08-12-2006, 03:16
My religon is base soley and entirely on anal sex. The more you have, the better your life is, the better you have, the higher place in the after life you will ascend to. Its the true faith, question me? then I'll BF you back to africa. Its simple, Anal sex dominates the headlines in the media, Its always been a trait among humans and we can't seem to do anything without arguing about it. The reason is simple, it is the Universal Constant. Its what holds this universe together, therby, the more you practice, the more in tune you become with the universe, it is also the only thing that unites all the cultures of the world, the fact that they encourge and dispute anal sex at any given moment. Rectal Sex Bless.
fascinating :)

Mogtaria (tentatively) accuses Barbaric Tribes of talking out of its arse :P
Barbaric Tribes
08-12-2006, 03:19
fascinating :)

Mogtaria (tentatively) accuses Barbaric Tribes of talking out of its arse :P

You would indeed be right, once you have engaged in sodomy enough... You can become a high monk and achive this ability.
Malkavian Lunacy
08-12-2006, 03:28
Okay. After looking over this thread, and being hideously disappointed with the poll (How many branches of Christianity do we really need in one poll, and yet still lump various pagan belief systems in with Satanism? Not to mention leaving out a few very large religions...), I've created a new thread and improved poll. That is all.

EDIT: The new thread can be found here... http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=510096