NationStates Jolt Archive


Christianity's Connection to Idiocy

Zarakon
07-12-2006, 21:06
Ahem, let's just look at the facts:

-Oppose embryonic stem cell research using embryos that would be destroyed anyway.
-Against abortion, yet also against birth control.
-Extremely racist against muslims for no reason.
-Extreme Hatred of those with different lifestyles
-Rampant murder and holy war against muslims
-Refusing to acknowledge that the earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around.
-And many others.

Okay, I apologize for the copy cat thread. I merely would like to point out that people should NOT be judged by a radical minority. Like pedophiles. Why does everyone hate pedophiles? Pedophiles have self-control like everyone else. How would people who liked people there age to all be considered rapists? How would jews like to all be considered murderers and cheaters? How would all satanists like to be considered cruel to animals? How would all wiccas like to be considered evil murderous satanists?

Just a point.
Gauthier
07-12-2006, 21:16
It's a fact. Islam and Muslims are the fashion statement when it comes to guilt-free demonization. If you even jokingly call for everyone who prays on a carpet to be headcapped, someone out there will seriously applaud the sentiment.

Muslims aren't humans according to these people. They're alien menaces that the world has to completely exterminate before there can be world peace.
Zarakon
07-12-2006, 21:17
Does all this anti-muslim stuff lately remind you of the nazis about how jews can't really be considered human?
Gauthier
07-12-2006, 21:19
Does all this anti-muslim stuff lately remind you of the nazis about how jews can't really be considered human?

Of course suggesting that Israelis are behaving like Nazis or at the very least Apartheid South Africa is a capital crime on NSG.

Which means Jimmy Carter and Archbishop Desmond Tutu are both Al Qaeda Operatives in the eyes of many.
Farnhamia
07-12-2006, 21:24
It's a fact. Islam and Muslims are the fashion statement when it comes to guilt-free demonization. If you even jokingly call for everyone who prays on a carpet to be headcapped, someone out there will seriously applaud the sentiment.

Muslims aren't humans according to these people. They're alien menaces that the world has to completely exterminate before there can be world peace.

Does all this anti-muslim stuff lately remind you of the nazis about how jews can't really be considered human?

It's true that there does always seem to be some group that's hated. Used to be for years that you could always fall back on the Jews, but now Muslims, at least in the US, are giving them a run for the money. Reminds me of Tom Lehrer's National Brotherhood Week (http://members.aol.com/quentncree/lehrer/natbroth.htm), especially the verse that goes ...

Oh, the Protestants hate the Catholics
And the Catholics hate the Protestants,
And the Hindus hate the Moslems,
And everybody hates the Jews.
Saint-Newly
07-12-2006, 21:24
Does all this anti-muslim stuff lately remind you of the nazis about how jews can't really be considered human?

Yeah, pretty much.
Purple Android
07-12-2006, 21:26
Ahem, let's just look at the facts:

-Oppose embryonic stem cell research using embryos that would be destroyed anyway.
-Against abortion, yet also against birth control.
-Extremely racist against muslims for no reason.
-Extreme Hatred of those with different lifestyles
-Rampant murder and holy war against muslims
-Refusing to acknowledge that the earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around.
-And many others.

Okay, I apologize for the copy cat thread. I merely would like to point out that people should NOT be judged by a radical minority. Like pedophiles. Why does everyone hate pedophiles? Pedophiles have self-control like everyone else. How would people who liked people there age to all be considered rapists? How would jews like to all be considered murderers and cheaters? How would all satanists like to be considered cruel to animals? How would all wiccas like to be considered evil murderous satanists?

Just a point.

Must just be American Christians....the British ones a funnily enough very tolerant of muslims and do not try to inflict their views upon other people. In fact most of the racists in the U.K. that ive seen are anti-religious :confused:
Saint-Newly
07-12-2006, 21:28
In fact most of the racists in the U.K. that ive seen are anti-religious :confused:

Not all, though. The BNP have a Christian line running through them, for the most part, with their arguments for a state religion and the like.
PsychoticDan
07-12-2006, 21:28
Does all this anti-muslim stuff lately remind you of the nazis about how jews can't really be considered human?

That didn't take long. Who was Godwin anyway? :confused:
Gauthier
07-12-2006, 21:29
That didn't take long. Who was Godwin anyway? :confused:

The more precise point is, who gives a fuck about what Godwin says? Likely the same drones who actually give a fuck about Mr. Blackwell's annual fashion report.
Vetalia
07-12-2006, 21:30
No offense, but I'd say Islam has a lot more idiocy than Christianity. Of course, that's because of the regimes that treat their people like shit and not the religion itself.
Saint-Newly
07-12-2006, 21:32
The more precise point is, who gives a fuck about what Godwin says? Likely the same drones who actually give a fuck about Mr. Blackwell's annual fashion report.

Agreed, it's a bit predictable.

The BNP are just Nazis by a slightly different name
Ha! Got you! Godwin, GODWIN, GODWIN! You said Nazis and therefore everything you say is irrelevant!
Purple Android
07-12-2006, 21:33
Not all, though. The BNP have a Christian line running through them, for the most part, with their arguments for a state religion and the like.

The BNP may want that, BUT what I was stating is that ive never personally met any Christian racists
Saint-Newly
07-12-2006, 21:36
The BNP may want that, BUT what I was stating is that ive never personally met any Christian racists

Well, I agree. I think the C of E's being pretty responsible about how they treat other religions, too.

That said, I'm sure there are a lot (probably the majority) of American Christians who respect Muslims too.
RuleCaucasia
07-12-2006, 21:40
-Oppose embryonic stem cell research using embryos that would be destroyed anyway.

That is the logical conclusion of an argument which seeks to stop embryos from being extracted in any way whatsoever. Who would willing extract an embryo, knowing that it can serve no useful purpose in science? We must not kill helpless human beings if we can help it.

-Against abortion, yet also against birth control.

You should only have sex if you are willing to accept the natural consequences; anything else would be immoral and would pose a threat to society (via STDs).

-Extremely racist against muslims for no reason.

A substantial part of them are idiots and murderers. They are responsible for almost everything which is wrong with the world.

-Extreme Hatred of those with different lifestyles

Only those with nihilistic lifestyles and those who go against the will of God. We do not associate with those who are going to Hell.

-Rampant murder and holy war against muslims

Yes. There's nothing wrong with that. We should conquer them.

-Refusing to acknowledge that the earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around.

We now have sufficiently good technology to support this assertion; in past decades, we did not. However, in this modern day and age, few people deny that fact.

-And many others.

Go ahead with your bashing, since you are only ridiculing yourself.
Cupidinia
07-12-2006, 21:50
Funny though. Every time there's something critizingly said about the Islam, churches and other "western" buildings get bombed/burned and christians/"westerners" get shot/murdered/beaten up.
Should I respond in the same rather violent matter as the ordinary muslim to the "Gross Injustice" to my way of life and my point of view, I don't think there'd be enough victims/mosques to quench my thirst.
De Facto: should the Islam be a friendly peaceful religion, there would be no need, nor a religious fundament for attacking those that oppose it.
Pyotr
07-12-2006, 21:53
It's a fact. Islam and Muslims are the fashion statement when it comes to guilt-free demonization. If you even jokingly call for everyone who prays on a carpet to be headcapped, someone out there will seriously applaud the sentiment.

Muslims aren't humans according to these people. They're alien menaces that the world has to completely exterminate before there can be world peace.

Indeed, Islam has become the new "other"; that evil looming monolithic threat to the world, much like communism in the 50s. The words Islam, Muslims, and Q'uran have become synonymous with terrorism, violence, and oppression.
Saint-Newly
07-12-2006, 21:53
Should I respond in the same rather violent matter as the ordinary muslim to the "Gross Injustice" to my way of life and my point of view, I don't think there'd be enough victims/mosques to quench my thirst.

The ordinary Muslim takes criticism without being violent. Don't generalise from the behaviour of terrorist groups - that's what they want you to do.
Babelistan
07-12-2006, 21:59
Ahem, let's just look at the facts:

-Oppose embryonic stem cell research using embryos that would be destroyed anyway.
-Against abortion, yet also against birth control.
-Extremely racist against muslims for no reason.
-Extreme Hatred of those with different lifestyles
-Rampant murder and holy war against muslims
-Refusing to acknowledge that the earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around.
-And many others.

Okay, I apologize for the copy cat thread. I merely would like to point out that people should NOT be judged by a radical minority. Like pedophiles. Why does everyone hate pedophiles? Pedophiles have self-control like everyone else. How would people who liked people there age to all be considered rapists? How would jews like to all be considered murderers and cheaters? How would all satanists like to be considered cruel to animals? How would all wiccas like to be considered evil murderous satanists?

Just a point.

people should not be judged but they do, everybody judges. everybody hates.
Swilatia
07-12-2006, 21:59
Religious extremists can be connected to Violence/Idiocy, regardless of their religion.
Jesuites
07-12-2006, 22:08
The BNP may want that, BUT what I was stating is that ive never personally met any Christian racists

Have a go in Ireland, you'll be surprised...
Cupidinia
07-12-2006, 22:12
The ordinary Muslim takes criticism without being violent. Don't generalise from the behaviour of terrorist groups - that's what they want you to do.

Not trying to be a big pain here, but isn't about time to try and control/disarm/imprison those that keep assailing people who do not share their visions?
Smunkeeville
07-12-2006, 22:13
Ahem, let's just look at the facts:

-Oppose embryonic stem cell research using embryos that would be destroyed anyway.
-Against abortion, yet also against birth control.
-Extremely racist against muslims for no reason.
-Extreme Hatred of those with different lifestyles
-Rampant murder and holy war against muslims
-Refusing to acknowledge that the earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around.
-And many others.


none of that describes me, you fail.
Saint-Newly
07-12-2006, 22:22
Not trying to be a big pain here, but isn't about time to try and control/disarm/imprison those that keep assailing people who do not share their visions?

You mean like terrorists? You may not have noticed, but terrorism is a crime, and typically governments do try to "control/disarm/imprison" them.

However, I'm a bit concerned that you're implying that the typical Muslim attacks "people who do not share their visions?", which is of course utterly false.
Kohlstein
07-12-2006, 22:32
Ahem, let's just look at the facts:

-Oppose embryonic stem cell research using embryos that would be destroyed anyway.
There have been true medical advances with non-embryonic stem-cells, but not with embryonic stem cells. Oh wait! That's not true. There was this one time when embryonic stem cells were transplanted to treat this guy for a brain tumor, but there was this little complication of him growing hair on his brain that only made things worse. Oops...
-Against abortion, yet also against birth control.
No most Christians are not against birth control.
-Extremely racist against muslims for no reason.
Islam is not a race, therefore you can't be racist against Islam. It's a religion, and while many people associate Muslims with Arabs, most are not Arabs. The nation with the most Muslims is Indonesia. Indonesians are a bunch of terrorists too.
-Extreme Hatred of those with different lifestyles
People from every group are like that, whether they are religious or not.
-Rampant murder and holy war against muslims
Wait WHO declared the jihad here?
-Refusing to acknowledge that the earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around.
What! That is just ridiculous. Copernicus was a cleric!
You just proved that you have a VERY strong connection to idiocy.
Saint-Newly
07-12-2006, 22:36
The nation with the most Muslims is Indonesia. Indonesians are a bunch of terrorists too.

:confused:

Wait WHO declared the jihad here?

Typically the Pope declared the crusades. Sorry, it's not just Muslims who go on holy wars :)
Epic Fusion
07-12-2006, 22:36
Does all this anti-muslim stuff lately remind you of the nazis about how jews can't really be considered human?

doesn't all this anti-anti-muslim stuff remind you of the nazis ?

:p I just HAD to say it soz
Phyrexia Novem Orbis
07-12-2006, 22:37
Really?
Im a doctor-murdering, Islam-hating, gay-bashing, flat-earther, extremophile who rapes little boys?
Or does the last one only count for Catholics?
Gosh.
I was unaware that I did all those things, I mean, I must sleepwalk or something because I spend most of the day in college and there havent been any murders there recently, despite the number of doctors and muslims.
Gosh, its a wonder Im not dead tired in the mornings, with all the murdering and hatred I do at night. And yet I still cant lose any weight. I must have some sort of lunch break while Im killing people at night or something.

ALTERNATIVE:
I support stem cell research
I dont hate Islam, only those who twist it into an excuse to kill people.
The only gay person I ever hated was the one who kept hitting on me despite the fact that I repeatedly told him not to.
I am well aware that the Earth revolves around the Sun, and I most likely know more on the subject than the topic creator.
The only 'Holy War' Im engaged currently is contained within my computer. I recently launched a Jihad on Lisbon in MTW2. Great game.
I only oppose some forms of abortion. Partial-birth, for example, I find totaly revolting. Im also an advocate of birth control.

ARGUEMENT:
There are idiots everywhere. Christianity is not a condition which inflicts idiocy upon people. People are idiots already when they become Christian. There are plenty of idiots in other religions.

PROOF:
This topic.

CONCLUSION:
Do a barrel roll.
Kohlstein
07-12-2006, 23:02
:confused:

Typically the Pope declared the crusades. Sorry, it's not just Muslims who go on holy wars :)

The Muslims started the violence first when they began invading Eastern Europe and Spain. They had already taken the Middle East, North Africa, and Southern Italy from the Byzantines and they were left with tiny Greece, so the Byzantine Emporer Alexius I Comnenus asked Pope Urban II for help. Urban said that if the Byzantine Empire was conquered by the Muslims, then all of Europe would be vulnerable. So no, the Pope didn't start the Crusades. The Muslims attacked first.
Saint-Newly
07-12-2006, 23:10
The Muslims started the violence first when they began invading Eastern Europe and Spain. They had already taken the Middle East, North Africa, and Southern Italy from the Byzantines and they were left with tiny Greece, so the Byzantine Emporer Alexius I Comnenus asked Pope Urban II for help. Urban said that if the Byzantine Empire was conquered by the Muslims, then all of Europe would be vulnerable. So no, the Pope didn't start the Crusades. The Muslims attacked first.

By the same logic, the Americans attacked Muslims first by putting bases in Saudi Arabia. I'm surprised to find that you actually believe that Osama Bin Laden is right. I guess it takes all sorts.
Kohlstein
07-12-2006, 23:19
By the same logic, the Americans attacked Muslims first by putting bases in Saudi Arabia. I'm surprised to find that you actually believe that Osama Bin Laden is right. I guess it takes all sorts.

The Saudi Government WANTED American bases there because they feared Saddam. How is putting bases there the same thing as attacking?
Pyotr
07-12-2006, 23:21
Indonesians are a bunch of terrorists too.


Not racist at all. :rolleyes:
Phyrexia Novem Orbis
07-12-2006, 23:23
Not racist at all. :rolleyes:

You fool! Its in the Bible that all the slanty-eyed towel-heads are terrorists!
RuleCaucasia
07-12-2006, 23:30
I have answered your "points" about Christianity and have received no reply. Please, unless you are willing to debate, don't flame-bait Christians. Doing so only underlines your connection to idiocy.
Farnhamia
07-12-2006, 23:34
The Muslims started the violence first when they began invading Eastern Europe and Spain. They had already taken the Middle East, North Africa, and Southern Italy from the Byzantines and they were left with tiny Greece, so the Byzantine Emporer Alexius I Comnenus asked Pope Urban II for help. Urban said that if the Byzantine Empire was conquered by the Muslims, then all of Europe would be vulnerable. So no, the Pope didn't start the Crusades. The Muslims attacked first.

The Byzantines held onto Anatolia (modern Turkey) until the appearance of the Seljuk Turks in the mid-11th century. After that they were driven out of Asia Minor (Egypt, Syria, Palestine and North Africa had been lost during the early Muslim conquests). The Arabs never "took" Southern Italy from the Empire, that was the Lombards and the Normans. Sicily was Arab for a couple hundred years and there was a small Arab enclave at some castle they captured between Naples and Rome. "Tiny Greece" is also wrong. They retained Greece, Epirus, Bulgaria and Macedonia, as well as Crete and Cyprus and some part of the Crimean.

Alexios I did appeal to the West for reinforcements so he could take the war back to Anatolia, and that was the start of the Crusades. I think Alexios was appalled by the response, because instead of the trained knights and soldiers he expected, he got a horde of peasants who proceeded to rampage through his European provinces. He was very glad to see them finally cross over into Turkish territory.

Now, did the Arabs start it all? Perhaps. They were an expanding people, like the Romans had been, like the Persians, like any number of conquering peoples. The problem, I think, is the religious one. When the Roman Empire expanded originally, it didn't much care what you worshipped as long as you behaved, paid your taxes and didn't make trouble. Once Christianity took over the Empire, it used the secular arm of the state to impose Chrisitianity on all people within the Empire. The later Roman Empire was very much a religious state. So when it was attacked by Islam in the 7th century, the reaction was harsh. All of which is to say, it's both sides' fault. Islam needs to look beyond the Crusades because, frankly, they won.
The Pacifist Womble
08-12-2006, 00:30
It's a fact. Islam and Muslims are
...your obsession!


Muslims aren't humans according to these people. They're alien menaces that the world has to completely exterminate before there can be world peace.
The OP wasn't serious about his list of "Christian" attributes. Christians, by and large, have no problem with Muslims. The reverse is probably also true.
Unified Sith
08-12-2006, 00:36
Not all, though. The BNP have a Christian line running through them, for the most part, with their arguments for a state religion and the like.

We do have a state religion, Christianity....

God Save the Queen?

Christmas services in schools?

Just throwing that out there.
Pyotr
08-12-2006, 00:38
We do have a state religion, Christianity....

God Save the Queen?

Christmas services in schools?

Just throwing that out there.

I think the BNP would take that policy and make a giant leap forward(er, backwards, acutally) with it and outlaw other religions.
The Pacifist Womble
08-12-2006, 00:41
Of course suggesting that Israelis are behaving like Nazis or at the very least Apartheid South Africa is a capital crime on NSG.
Well, people don't accept Sovietan's idea that Israel is behaving like Nazi Germany, mainly because it's not true. But they are more open to the idea that it's behaving like Apartheid South Africa, mainly because that is true.

Only those with nihilistic lifestyles and those who go against the will of God. We do not associate with those who are going to Hell.
Alright, you're probably a troll, but just in case you're not I'll feed you a Bible verse

Matthew 9:12 On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick."

The words Islam, Muslims, and Q'uran have become synonymous with terrorism, violence, and oppression.
Where?

none of that describes me, you fail.
Psst, Zarakon wasn't serious. He was openly listing a bunch of silly stereotypes.

Typically the Pope declared the crusades. Sorry, it's not just Muslims who go on holy wars :)
You consider the Crusades to be still going on?
Intra-Muros
08-12-2006, 00:47
Ahem, let's just look at the facts:

-Oppose embryonic stem cell research using embryos that would be destroyed anyway.
-Against abortion, yet also against birth control.
-Extremely racist against muslims for no reason.
-Extreme Hatred of those with different lifestyles
-Rampant murder and holy war against muslims
-Refusing to acknowledge that the earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around.
-And many others.

Okay, I apologize for the copy cat thread.

Just a point.

Sure. Right. Claiming that Christianity is intimately tied to Idiocy is not at all judgemental or unfair.

As a follower of the general religion of Christianity I would be insulted if I did not believe you were only stating the general, not the specific. I do not know many people who fit all those criteria and are Christian.

"And many others" Great job... you should have based your whole OP on that, would give you less greif.

You better apologize for the copycat thread and for the complete waste of my time. (Which is entirely my fault for wasting the time, but hey... spreading the blame seems to be the 'cool' thing to do in the world today.)

I agree that we should not generalize and or brand people with labels, or have racist attitudes. However, this is not a good way to get around to saying that..
Bolol
08-12-2006, 00:59
I find this entire thread idiotic...

Turnaround is never wise. I don't care if you were offended by a thread condeming Muslim's as barbarians (in all honesty, you shouldn't be, because such a statement is...idiotic), you don't give it back in the same fashion, this time condemning Christianity, without using any real evidence, because all that does is embolden the crazies and annoy the Christians who might actually have an interest in acceptance.
Skibereen
08-12-2006, 01:20
Ahem, let's just look at the facts:

-Oppose embryonic stem cell research using embryos that would be destroyed anyway.
-Against abortion, yet also against birth control.
-Extremely racist against muslims for no reason.
-Extreme Hatred of those with different lifestyles
-Rampant murder and holy war against muslims
-Refusing to acknowledge that the earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around.
-And many others.

Okay, I apologize for the copy cat thread. I merely would like to point out that people should NOT be judged by a radical minority. Like pedophiles. Why does everyone hate pedophiles? Pedophiles have self-control like everyone else. How would people who liked people there age to all be considered rapists? How would jews like to all be considered murderers and cheaters? How would all satanists like to be considered cruel to animals? How would all wiccas like to be considered evil murderous satanists?

Just a point.

Absolutely, because there are good child rapers and bad child rapers.
I am to take it you are a good child raper, how nice.
Hamilay
08-12-2006, 01:23
Like pedophiles. Why does everyone hate pedophiles? Pedophiles have self-control like everyone else. How would people who liked people there age to all be considered rapists?
Ehh... heh... eh... what?
The Archregimancy
08-12-2006, 01:48
Ahem, let's just look at the facts:

-Oppose embryonic stem cell research using embryos that would be destroyed anyway.
-Against abortion, yet also against birth control.
-Extremely racist against muslims for no reason.
-Extreme Hatred of those with different lifestyles
-Rampant murder and holy war against muslims
-Refusing to acknowledge that the earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around.
-And many others.

Okay, I apologize for the copy cat thread. I merely would like to point out that people should NOT be judged by a radical minority. Like pedophiles. Why does everyone hate pedophiles? Pedophiles have self-control like everyone else. How would people who liked people there age to all be considered rapists? How would jews like to all be considered murderers and cheaters? How would all satanists like to be considered cruel to animals? How would all wiccas like to be considered evil murderous satanists?

Just a point.

I remain undecided as to whether the OP is trying to argue that all Christians believe in his initial list of points (in which case he is both sadly misinformed and seems to have made the common mistake of believing that the vocal minority of American fundamentalists represent all Christians), or that he/she is trying to argue that the initial list of points is only held by a 'radical minority' and that not all Christians should be judged by that minority (in which case the comparison with Paedophiles, Wiccans, Satanists and Jews is bizarrely offensive, not least to Jews).

That I'm unable to make up my mind as to what the point of the OP was does rather suggest that it's a poorly made point at best.
Saint-Newly
08-12-2006, 01:49
You consider the Crusades to be still going on?

No, dawg. Check the phat past tense I'm droppin' in that post.
Hamilay
08-12-2006, 01:49
I remain undecided as to whether the OP is trying to argue that all Christians believe in his initial list of points (in which case he is both sadly misinformed and seems to have made the common mistake of believing that the vocal minority of American fundamentalists represent all Christians), or that he/she is trying to argue that the initial list of points is only held by a 'radical minority' and that not all Christians should be judged by that minority (in which case the comparison with Paedophiles, Wiccans, Satanists and Jews is bizarrely offensive, not least to Jews).

That I'm unable to make up my mind as to what the point of the OP was does rather suggest that it's a poorly made point at best.

I merely would like to point out that people should NOT be judged by a radical minority.
Um, what did you think this sentence meant when you read it?
Neo Sanderstead
08-12-2006, 01:53
Wonderful paradoy thread

I think you are ignoring the irony pointed out in the original thread though. In the Pope's quote (which was clearly expressed as not being his own views) the statement was that Islam was a relgion of viloence and evil. How did they respond to that? With a viloent and evil act.

If anything if it was true that that was his he was proven right
The Archregimancy
08-12-2006, 01:57
Um, what did you think this sentence meant when you read it?

Exactly what it says it does. It's the comparison with paedophiles that leaves me unable to decide as to whether this is parody or serious, and if serious what the intent is.

There are suggestions in the OP that this is a parody of another thread, in which case the humour is lost on me because I haven't seen that thread. And if it's serious, it's so poorly argued I need hardly waste time on it.

So I'm not going to lose too much sleep over this either way.
New Mitanni
08-12-2006, 02:19
Ahem, let's just look at the facts:

-Oppose embryonic stem cell research using embryos that would be destroyed anyway.
-Against abortion, yet also against birth control.
-Extremely racist against muslims for no reason.
-Extreme Hatred of those with different lifestyles
-Rampant murder and holy war against muslims
-Refusing to acknowledge that the earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around.
-And many others.

Okay, I apologize for the copy cat thread. I merely would like to point out that people should NOT be judged by a radical minority. Like pedophiles. Why does everyone hate pedophiles? Pedophiles have self-control like everyone else. How would people who liked people there age to all be considered rapists? How would jews like to all be considered murderers and cheaters? How would all satanists like to be considered cruel to animals? How would all wiccas like to be considered evil murderous satanists?

Just a point.


Have you even graduated from high school yet? And public high school at that?

Seriously.

On the assumption that you are merely ignorant--a state that can be remedied--rather than a trollish flame-baiter, I suggest you consider the following:

"Oppose embryonic stem cell research using embryos that would be destroyed anyway."

Speaking from the Catholic perspective only (although many other Christian denominations probably would agree), using the results of embryonic stem cell research is unacceptable for the same reason using the results of Mengele's "research" or those of Japanese Biological Warfare Unit 731 would be: they are obtained in morally unacceptable manners. The unfortunate fact that they "would be destroyed anyway" does not change the fact that the information is obtained by means of the destruction of human life.

"Against abortion, yet also against birth control."

Opposition to abortion is grounded in respect for innocent human life from conception onward. Opposition to birth control is grounded in a different consideration, that the purpose of sex is reproduction and thus that all sexual acts should be open to life. There is no conflict between the two positions.

"Extremely racist against muslims for no reason."

Here is your homework for tonight: pick up a dictionary and look up the word "racist." You will find that "racism" does not include opposition to, dislike for, or other disapproval of, a religion. So your argument is prima facie wrong. Beyond that, there are numerous and manifold reasons for opposing Islam and its adherents, as any daily newspaper, let alone the most cursory examination of the doctrines of that creed, will reveal. Try reading "Why I Am Not a Muslim," by Ibn Warraq (Prometheus Books, 1995), for starters.

"Extreme Hatred of those with different lifestyles"

Sorry, but the Westboro Baptist Church and their like are clearly aberrant and not reflective of mainstream Christian doctrine. The Catholic Church, at least, basically teaches "hate the sin, but love the sinner." And one can oppose "different lifestyles," e.g., the homosexual lifestyle choice, without recourse to any religious doctrine, but purely on biological grounds.

"Rampant murder and holy war against muslims"

Really? And precisely when and where are these "rampant murders" and "holy war" taking place? Perhaps you've confused Christians with Muslims, who are currently the overwhelmingly predominant practitioners of "rampant murder and holy war" against any and all who don't accept their creed.

"Refusing to acknowledge that the earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around."

This is too silly for further discussion.

Now go home and reconsider your life. ;)
The South Islands
08-12-2006, 02:36
Yay for -isms!
South Lizasauria
08-12-2006, 07:52
Not to flame or anything but I have a sneaking suspicion the topic starter is a communist. I mean pedophiles who psychologically abuse children for the sake of indulging in an abnormal carnal desire is equal to average christians muslims and cultists? So murdereing cults are equal to all other people religious or otherwise? I think NOT!
Gauthier
08-12-2006, 21:48
Wonderful paradoy thread

I think you are ignoring the irony pointed out in the original thread though. In the Pope's quote (which was clearly expressed as not being his own views) the statement was that Islam was a relgion of viloence and evil. How did they respond to that? With a viloent and evil act.

If anything if it was true that that was his he was proven right

So you're stating that each and every Muslim in the world responded to the Sith Pope's quote with violent and evil acts?

If anything you proved the OP right.
Ollonen
08-12-2006, 22:13
Not to flame or anything but I have a sneaking suspicion the topic starter is a communist. I mean pedophiles who psychologically abuse children for the sake of indulging in an abnormal carnal desire is equal to average christians muslims and cultists? So murdereing cults are equal to all other people religious or otherwise? I think NOT!

What's wrong in being a communist? Yes, everyone are equal, after all everyone can die and born so easily. If you are judging them and treating them with same cruelty they have done, you are not better than them.