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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2483821.html

As I always expected, organic food is just some hyped up bullshit:

Eva Langlands



ORGANIC chicken is less nutritious, contains more fat and tastes worse than free range or battery-farmed meat, scientists have discovered.
Tests on supermarket chicken breasts found organic varieties contained fewer omega-3 fatty acids and lower levels of antioxidants, giving the meat an inferior taste. Some were found to contain twice as much cholesterol.



The study, by food scientists at Strathclyde University, contradicts the common view that the premium paid for organic meat guarantees a healthier and tastier product.

Despite costing twice as much, the organic products scored lower in all the nutritional tests in the study, “It is safe to say that you are not getting any nutritional benefit from buying organic chicken,” said Alistair Paterson, co-author of the study, which is published in the International Journal of Food Sciences and Nutrition.

“You could be better off buying conventional or free-range chicken. There is no guarantee that organic chicken gives you more omega-3, better taste or a lower cholesterol level.”

Organic food, which is produced according to standards covering the use of pesticides, additives, animal welfare and sustainability, has become big business with sales in the UK doubling in six years.

Last year, the market was worth £1.6 billion, up from £800m in 2000, according to Datamonitor, the market research firm, and is forecast to be worth £2.7 billion by 2010. However, there are growing concerns that the increasing industrialisation of organic farming to meet demand has led to a dilution of its green credentials and quality.

The Strathclyde team found that organic chicken was lower in antioxidants than conventional or free range chicken and, in blind tastings, scored lowest for succulence.

According to Paterson, the differences in taste and nutritional composition are due to the feed the animals are given. Synthetic vitamin supplements are standard in conventional feed but are prohibited under organic farming rules.

The Soil Association, representing organic producers, insisted that organic standards were not being compromised.

“This research contradicts the bulk of evidence which shows organic food is higher in omega-3, vitamins and minerals than conventional chicken,” said Hugh Raven, director of Soil Association Scotland.



So what are your thoughts, for those who eat only organic food, will this make you think twice before buying some or does this not affect you at all?

Shit man you totaly miss the pioint. People eat organic food because they don't want to put too many chmicals into their bodies, and because theyr are concerned about how their live food has been treated.

Also I'd like to know why and by whom was this report ordered and perhaps more importantly who paid for it.

You can't just choose one report and base your view on it, you need to know more.

Shit man you totaly miss the pioint. People eat organic food because they don't want to put too many chmicals into their bodies, and because theyr are concerned about how their live food has been treated.
Not only that, but I can taste a difference between the organic and the other, and I prefer the organic. Hell, it's not like I eat that much chicken anyway.

Shit man you totaly miss the pioint. People eat organic food because they don't want to put too many chmicals into their bodies, and because theyr are concerned about how their live food has been treated.

Not true. Although some do it purely because of animal rights, many peolpe have been pushing people to eat organic food as it is 'healthier', and that is one of the many reasons people actually eat organic food. If it wasn't like that, there wouldn't have been an article made about it.

Shit man you totaly miss the pioint. People eat organic food because they don't want to put too many chmicals into their bodies, and because theyr are concerned about how their live food has been treated.

Also I'd like to know why and by whom was this report ordered and perhaps more importantly who paid for it.

You can't just choose one report and base your view on it, you need to know more.

Know more? Such as? The reason vitamins are added is to make the animals more healthy? The reason they're given anti-biotics is to prevent disease?

Organic is a load of crap.

Not true. Although some do it purely because of animal rights, many peolpe have been pushing people to eat organic food as it is 'healthier', and that is one of the many reasons people actually eat organic food. If it wasn't like that, there wouldn't have been an article made about it.


Heheh I love the way you say not true.

So you eat organic food yourself then? Or You know everybody that does and their reasons then?

Noo nooo wait , your just telling us your POV arnt you!;)

Not only that, but I can taste a difference between the organic and the other, and I prefer the organic. Hell, it's not like I eat that much chicken anyway.

That's because it's fattier.

Heheh I love the way you say not true.

So you eat organic food yourself then? Or You know everybody that does and their reasons then?

Noo nooo wait , your just telling us your POV arnt you!;)

Havn't you ever watched tv? Or read any magazines? Or listened to the radio?

They've all been saying that stuff.

Heheh I love the way you say not true.

So you eat organic food yourself then? Or You know everybody that does and their reasons then?

Noo nooo wait , your just telling us your POV arnt you!;)

Well, I used to eat more organic vegetables, until the e coli thing came out.

Spoke to some USDA inspectors, and they said that eating raw vegetables that were raised organically is asking for it, because the fertilizer is either animal feces or reprocessed human feces (more common in Europe).

The E Coli cannot be washed off.

They said the best bet was to eat food raised non-organically that was from farms that were not used for raising livestock. Then, no E Coli.

Know more? Such as? The reason vitamins are added is to make the animals more healthy? The reason they're given anti-biotics is to prevent disease?

Organic is a load of crap.

No the reason why business tend to mass produce like this is for the same reson that we have sweat shops, and outsourceing. It's all about the cash mate!

Mass produced battery farmed chiken is cheaper, plus they get to make te birds bigger by the chemicals they use, and so their profits are higher.

they show no regard for the welfare of their live stock, and the major reason that people eat organic meat is because they don't want chemicals, and steriods in their food, and they are concered for the welfare of the animal.

That's because it's fattier.

exactly no fat no taste.

exactly no fat no taste.

Absolutely.

This is decidedly the best reason to purchase organic chicken yet.

Absolutely.

This is decidedly the best reason to purchase organic chicken yet.

The article claims that organic meat is less tasty. I tend to agree as well.

I eat free range whenever I can get it in our supermarket. I don't eat organic simply because here it's more expensive than the other products, and I don't particularly care for the health food stores that organic foods are sold in. They're always crowded and smell of rancid hippie.

I'd rather have a fattier, tastier and more expensive organic bird than some hormone-pumped and disease infected product of the poultry industry's concentration camps that they call "farms".

Actually, if you want to eat chicken that fits the label of "organic" (i.e., it's free range and hasn't had anything added), buy a kosher bird.

Empire chicken brand birds almost always win the taste tests of all free range, organic, and high-end brands.

No the reason why business tend to mass produce like this is for the same reson that we have sweat shops, and outsourceing. It's all about the cash mate!

Mass produced battery farmed chiken is cheaper, plus they get to make te birds bigger by the chemicals they use, and so their profits are higher.

they show no regard for the welfare of their live stock, and the major reason that people eat organic meat is because they don't want chemicals, and steriods in their food, and they are concered for the welfare of the animal.

Maybe you missed it, but the animal. It's gonna die. Then it'll get eaten.

You ever been to a poultry plant? I worked in one for three years, believe me, you can cuddle that little bird all you want, it'll still die in a messy violent manner.

First you zap 'em with electricity. Not enough to kill, just hurts like hell and stuns 'em. Then you take a sharp knife and you cut their throat. They're hanging upside down so there they are, recovering from the shock, blinded by their own blood as it drains past their face. All in their nostrils bubbling as they breath, bleeding out and drowning in their own blood.

Enjoy your chicken.

I'd rather have a fattier, tastier and more expensive organic bird than some hormone-pumped and disease infected product of the poultry industry's concentration camps that they call "farms".

O rly?

ORGANIC chicken is less nutritious, contains more fat and tastes worse than free range or battery-farmed meat, scientists have discovered.
Tests on supermarket chicken breasts found organic varieties contained fewer omega-3 fatty acids and lower levels of antioxidants, giving the meat an inferior taste. Some were found to contain twice as much cholesterol.

Actually, if you want to eat chicken that fits the label of "organic" (i.e., it's free range and hasn't had anything added), buy a kosher bird.

Empire chicken brand birds almost always win the taste tests of all free range, organic, and high-end brands.

Kosher has nothing to do with Organic, it just means a Rabbi has blessed the birds. They're still raised and die in the same manner.

Kosher has nothing to do with Organic, it just means a Rabbi has blessed the birds. They're still raised and die in the same manner.

Wrong.

O rly?

Oh jeez, this is "organic" shit, not free range. Never mind then.

Oh jeez, this is "organic" shit, not free range. Never mind then.

Huh? I must have misunderstood.

Wrong.

Uh, I've seen it done, I've worked in a turkey plant. A Kosher bird is just like any other turkey, 'cept the Rabbi gets there at about 4AM to bless the damn thing. Nice guy the Rabbi.

If you want the best possible chicken, raise it yourself, kill it yourself, and eat it yourself. If nothing else it'll taste better because for all the damn effort it ought to (cognitive dissonance for the win).

Uh, I've seen it done, I've worked in a turkey plant. A Kosher bird is just like any other turkey, 'cept the Rabbi gets there at about 4AM to bless the damn thing. Nice guy the Rabbi.

Depends on the brand.

Huh? I must have misunderstood.

I thought they meant "organic" as in "free range", but now I realize it's the other kind of organic.

Maybe you missed it, but the animal. It's gonna die. Then it'll get eaten.

You ever been to a poultry plant? I worked in one for three years, believe me, you can cuddle that little bird all you want, it'll still die in a messy violent manner.

First you zap 'em with electricity. Not enough to kill, just hurts like hell and stuns 'em. Then you take a sharp knife and you cut their throat. They're hanging upside down so there they are, recovering from the shock, blinded by their own blood as it drains past their face. All in their nostrils bubbling as they breath, bleeding out and drowning in their own blood.

Enjoy your chicken.
How delightful.

In any case, I'll believe scientific studies when I'm shown them. I have to wonder exactly what goes into a normal farm raised chicken these days, though. All I'm asking is for a little information. Not the kind of misinformation Greenpeace would push in my face though. I just want the truth.

Maybe you missed it, but the animal. It's gonna die. Then it'll get eaten.

You ever been to a poultry plant? I worked in one for three years, believe me, you can cuddle that little bird all you want, it'll still die in a messy violent manner.

First you zap 'em with electricity. Not enough to kill, just hurts like hell and stuns 'em. Then you take a sharp knife and you cut their throat. They're hanging upside down so there they are, recovering from the shock, blinded by their own blood as it drains past their face. All in their nostrils bubbling as they breath, bleeding out and drowning in their own blood.

Enjoy your chicken.

hah yeah I used to be a butcher. I know all about that. Personaly speaking I belive if you can't kill your animal you really shouldn't be eating meat.

However, the point I made was that some of us, would like the animals that we eat to have been treated humanly, it is not about the killing, but about the treatment up to, and including how it is killed.

As to people only eat organic for health reasons, then lets do a quick straw poll ummm.

Hands up those who eat organic/free range chicken, and tell us why if you don't mind.

Depends on the brand.

So you've reassess the "Wrong" verdict?

Incidentally I'm great fun at Thanksgiving, the stories I can tell! There's a reason we don't eat turkey.

Hands up those who eat organic/free range chicken, and tell us why if you don't mind.

I have, used to raise chickens as a kid. There's little difference honestly, except I've never been spurred by a super market bird.

So you've reassess the "Wrong" verdict?

Incidentally I'm great fun at Thanksgiving, the stories I can tell! There's a reason we don't eat turkey.

Hheh shit, yeah, I know exactly what goes in to suasge, and burger but I still eat em!

Shit man you totaly miss the pioint. People eat organic food because they don't want to put too many chmicals into their bodies, and because theyr are concerned about how their live food has been treated.


To be short, because they are idiots.

As I always expected, organic food is just some hyped up bullshit:

So what are your thoughts, for those who eat only organic food, will this make you think twice before buying some or does this not affect you at all?

having naturally gone vegetarian myself, i find myself wondering about the label "organic" on anything sold by a supermarket... it's going to be compromised in some way, i think.

better to grow your own food and eat it raw, or buy from a farmer outside of town who does not use industrial pesticides and fertilizers.

if i was going to eat chicken occasionally, i'd go for free range chickens who are given flax seed to eat for the omega3 fatty acids. i prefer my eggs from chickens like this, although they do taste a little... gamey. the taste puts me further off animal products, honestly.

what do i mean by "naturally" vegetarian? kind of like it's a natural choice, like my other choices to use fewer prescription drugs, drink less alcohol, and eliminating all processed foods from my diet. for those curious, i'm feeling a pull towards raw, leafy greens these days... preferably sourced from my own garden or from a farmer i trust. more fruits and nuts, less starches. almost no grains. etc.

just to throw a thought at you: i find this progressive diet increases my mental accuity -- my thoughts are sharper and my emotional states are more tranquil. plus, i have an excellent immune system and rarely fall ill.

if that's hyped up bullshit, well, i guess i'll take it. ;)

To be short, because they are idiots.

Or..

Beacuse they have feelings!

I think its good for people to have an alternative in their food.

Hheh shit, yeah, I know exactly what goes in to suasge, and burger but I still eat em!

I know what goes into Bologna and hot dogs and I still eat them. Sparingly, too much salt.

I think its good for people to have an alternative in their food.

Yes, if someone wants to eat raw carrots grown in reprocessed human fecal matter still laden with tuberculosis bacilli, instead of carrots grown in petrochemical fertilizer, that's their right!

Yes, if someone wants to eat raw carrots grown in reprocessed human fecal matter still laden with tuberculosis bacilli, instead of carrots grown in petrochemical fertilizer, that's their right!

Shit yeah! If people want to not eat foods with chemicals on them that are strictly controled substances because of their toxicolgy yeah they are free to do so.

Heh I also used to be a pestercide sprayer too, so I knows about that also.

Yes, if someone wants to eat raw carrots grown in reprocessed human fecal matter still laden with tuberculosis bacilli, instead of carrots grown in petrochemical fertilizer, that's their right!

So instead of growing in tuberculosis feces, we grow it in slimy oil! :D

Organic shouldn't be about nutrition. It should be about environmental sustainability and water and soil pollution.

Mass farming often results in monocultures which reduce soil quality which then require huge amounts of fertilizer. If there is heavy rain this can cause run off with huge amounts of nitrates being washed into the water system. Which in turn creates many environmental problems. These nitrates need to be removed before the water can be made safe for human consumption.

Over use of growth hormones in the meat industry can lead to livestock given to ill health, which have to be treated with large quantities of anti-biotics. The problem with this is that such wide scale use of anti-biotics is likely to increase resistance to anti-biotics making them less effective. The reproductive cycle of bacteria means that such immunities are fairly easy to pass along and thus into bacteria that cause disease in humans.

Organic is about so much more than simple nutritional values.

Exactly, this study is just further verification of my own philosophy: Suffering is delicious.
Do you think that the idea for pate de foie gras or veal just came out of nowhere?

Organic shouldn't be about nutrition. It should be about environmental sustainability and water and soil pollution.

Mass farming often results in monocultures which reduce soil quality which then require huge amounts of fertilizer. If there is heavy rain this can cause run off with huge amounts of nitrates being washed into the water system. Which in turn creates many environmental problems. These nitrates need to be removed before the water can be made safe for human consumption.

Over use of growth hormones in the meat industry can lead to livestock given to ill health, which have to be treated with large quantities of anti-biotics. The problem with this is that such wide scale use of anti-biotics is likely to increase resistance to anti-biotics making them less effective. The reproductive cycle of bacteria means that such immunities are fairly easy to pass along and thus into bacteria that cause disease in humans.

Organic is about so much more than simple nutritional values.

Exactly right, I mean the only resone that we have BSE is because they used to feed ground up cow spinal cloum and brian to cows. Then people actualy want to eat that? without first checking what thier beef has been reared on? Madness.

The article claims that organic meat is less tasty. I tend to agree as well.

Is it that it's less tasty, or that it simply tastes different from the chicken you're used to, and that you fear the unknown [/snark]? There's no doubt that it tastes different, but to me, that's because battery raised chicken has little, if any taste on its own. It has to be spiced to hell and back to have any flavor. Organic chicken actually tastes like chicken, and I like that.

Exactly, this study is just further verification of my own philosophy: Suffering is delicious.
Do you think that the idea for pate de foie gras or veal just came out of nowhere?

Ohhhh I love veal, heh I always feel guilty when I eat it though.

Soil Association's response to this paper: "Journalists have been misled by misreporting of research which claimed to compare organic and non-organic chicken. (http://www.soilassociation.org.uk/web/sa/saweb.nsf/f201148200f2e8af80256dbf005202e4/5dc940c2a51256088025723b00470a2b!OpenDocument)"

Soil Association's response to this paper: "Journalists have been misled by misreporting of research which claimed to compare organic and non-organic chicken. (http://www.soilassociation.org.uk/web/sa/saweb.nsf/f201148200f2e8af80256dbf005202e4/5dc940c2a51256088025723b00470a2b!OpenDocument)"

Ahhh as I asked, you need to find out how and why, and who paid for the report. Just because a report has been published it does not automaticaly mean that it is unbiased.

Soil Association's response to this paper: "Journalists have been misled by misreporting of research which claimed to compare organic and non-organic chicken. (http://www.soilassociation.org.uk/web/sa/saweb.nsf/f201148200f2e8af80256dbf005202e4/5dc940c2a51256088025723b00470a2b!OpenDocument)"

Nice. I especially liked the study they cited at the end.

“You could be better off buying conventional or free-range chicken. There is no guarantee that organic chicken gives you more omega-3, better taste or a lower cholesterol level.”
Omega-3? Cholesterol? The fuck? Who buys their chicken for Omega-3 and low cholesterol?? o_O

Shit man you totaly miss the pioint. People eat organic food because they don't want to put too many chmicals into their bodies, and because theyr are concerned about how their live food has been treated.
Indeed.

Soil Association's response to this paper: "Journalists have been misled by misreporting of research which claimed to compare organic and non-organic chicken. (http://www.soilassociation.org.uk/web/sa/saweb.nsf/f201148200f2e8af80256dbf005202e4/5dc940c2a51256088025723b00470a2b!OpenDocument)"
Oops, serves me right for not having read the whole thread before replying. :rolleyes:

In contrast, a 2002 study published in the journal Meat Science, compared the nutritional content of organic and non-organic chicken meat, using a much larger sample size than the aforementioned studies (C. Castellini, C. Mugnai and A. Dal Bosco (2002) 'Effect of organic production on broiler carcass and meat quality', Meat Science, 60, 219-225). The scientists reared 500 chickens of the same breed themselves, half of which were reared organically and half non-organically. 40 birds were randomly selected for analysis, 20 from each group. The study found that the organic chicken contained higher levels of polyunsaturated fatty acids, including 38% more omega-3, than the non-organic chicken. It also found that the free-range behaviour of organic chickens "reduced the[ir] abdominal fat [by 65%], and favoured muscle mass development". Taste tests found that the organic chicken scored significantly higher for juiciness. The study concluded that "organic production systems seem to be a good alternative, due to better welfare conditions and good quality of the carcass and meat."
Sounds a lot more intuitive, that much is certain.

Although I still don't look for Omega-3 and low cholesterol when I buy chicken. Sheesh.

Or..

Beacuse they have feelings!

About chickens and supposed chemicals.

I stand by "because they are idiots."

I'm just going to giggle like that obnoxious kid in the back of the 5th grade class room about the journal, Meat Science.

Sorry, feel free to ignore me...

Oops, serves me right for not having read the whole thread before replying. :rolleyes:

Sounds a lot more intuitive, that much is certain.

Although I still don't look for Omega-3 and low cholesterol when I buy chicken. Sheesh.

Normally, I look for a chicken I think will taste good, and cook well without drying out. And the price is right.

If I want Omega-3 (if I'm thinking that hard about it), I buy some salmon.

I'm just going to giggle like that obnoxious kid in the back of the 5th grade class room about the journal, Meat Science.

Sorry, feel free to ignore me...heh heh heh heh meat

Incidentally I'm great fun at Thanksgiving, the stories I can tell! There's a reason we don't eat turkey.

Poultry in general tends to be pretty shitty, especially battery poultry (and for those who aren't familiar, I do quite liteally mean shitty - poltry birds are particularly filthy animals, that eat shit and then die at a rather high rate).

As to people only eat organic for health reasons, then lets do a quick straw poll ummm.

Hands up those who eat organic/free range chicken, and tell us why if you don't mind.

(A bit out of order, but...)
My little brother has a small, low-intensity farm in Iowa where he raises dairy goats, sheep, chickens, turkeys, etc.

They're semi-free range/pasture-raised (large pasture, selected supplimentary feed), semi-organic (antibiotics or growth hormones at all, as above selected suppliments).

It's not the factory commercial "organic" crap, it's not battery supermarket crap, it's just plain old good farm meat.

That's mostly what I eat now when I go home, and it's definately my preferance.

hah yeah I used to be a butcher. I know all about that. Personaly speaking I belive if you can't kill your animal you really shouldn't be eating meat.

Having been raised in a "happiness is a warm gut pile" hunting culture, with some time spent at various relatives farms, and finally having helped feed and slaughter last years New Years kid at my little bro's small farm, I completely agree. If you've never had blood on your hands, you shouldn't be eating meat, as you don't really understands that something died to feed you.

However, the point I made was that some of us, would like the animals that we eat to have been treated humanly, it is not about the killing, but about the treatment up to, and including how it is killed.

Indeed. To wit, the New Years dinner yearling kid I mentioned above. He was born and raised in the large pasture. Come the cold, he was stabled in the barn, but had access to the pasture. The slaughter was much more humane than the standard slaughter house - a bullet to the brain while feeding and a slit throat to bleed out.

Allowing the animal to be stressed at any step affects the taste. My bro does the same with his chickens and turkeys, and there is a noticable difference in taste compared to anything I've ever had from any supermarket.

And my biggest concern with comercial meat production is the overuse of antibiotics. The subtherapeutic administration of antibiotics for the promotion of growth in livestock is a very serious health risk, as it is a prime factor in the rapid development of drug resistance diseases (as is over perscription).

Although I still don't look for Omega-3 and low cholesterol when I buy chicken. Sheesh.

When did it say people look for Omega-3 in their chicken? They just used that to show how tasty the chicken is.

You may not look for low cholesterol, but others do.

Soil Association's response to this paper: "Journalists have been misled by misreporting of research which claimed to compare organic and non-organic chicken. (http://www.soilassociation.org.uk/web/sa/saweb.nsf/f201148200f2e8af80256dbf005202e4/5dc940c2a51256088025723b00470a2b!OpenDocument)"Ouch. I believe Hydesland owes organic chicken an apology...

Organic shouldn't be about nutrition. It should be about environmental sustainability and water and soil pollution.

Mass farming often results in monocultures which reduce soil quality which then require huge amounts of fertilizer. If there is heavy rain this can cause run off with huge amounts of nitrates being washed into the water system. Which in turn creates many environmental problems. These nitrates need to be removed before the water can be made safe for human consumption.

Over use of growth hormones in the meat industry can lead to livestock given to ill health, which have to be treated with large quantities of anti-biotics. The problem with this is that such wide scale use of anti-biotics is likely to increase resistance to anti-biotics making them less effective. The reproductive cycle of bacteria means that such immunities are fairly easy to pass along and thus into bacteria that cause disease in humans.

Organic is about so much more than simple nutritional values.

Indeed!

Soil Association's response to this paper: "Journalists have been misled by misreporting of research which claimed to compare organic and non-organic chicken. (http://www.soilassociation.org.uk/web/sa/saweb.nsf/f201148200f2e8af80256dbf005202e4/5dc940c2a51256088025723b00470a2b!OpenDocument)"

Good call.

And my biggest concern with comercial meat production is the overuse of antibiotics. The subtherapeutic administration of antibiotics for the promotion of growth in livestock is a very serious health risk, as it is a prime factor in the rapid development of drug resistance diseases (as is over perscription).

I have to wonder how many diseases and syndromes that have popped up in the last thirty years are indirectly related to what we've done to our food supply, between antibiotics and hormones and processing the hell out of it.

I changed my diet to largely organic, especially dairy, four years ago. I had a physical then, and my cholesterol was high, but my doc put it down to the extra thirty-plus pounds I carry around. Had a physical three months ago, I'm the same weight, but all my other signs look perfectly normal. I feel better, and I have more energy, and all I've changed was a small part of my diet.

I have to wonder how many diseases and syndromes that have popped up in the last thirty years are indirectly related to what we've done to our food supply, between antibiotics and hormones and processing the hell out of it.

E. Coli O157:H7...that's a big one. Not to mention all the ones humans have created thanks to the idiots who don't take their full course of antibiotics. I swear, that should really be a criminal offense.

heh heh heh heh meat

yay...disrupting the class!

yay...disrupting the class!

he heh heh shut up dillhole

When did it say people look for Omega-3 in their chicken? They just used that to show how tasty the chicken is.

You may not look for low cholesterol, but others do.
The article says Despite costing twice as much, the organic products scored lower in all the nutritional tests in the study, “It is safe to say that you are not getting any nutritional benefit from buying organic chicken,” said Alistair Paterson, co-author of the study, which is published in the International Journal of Food Sciences and Nutrition.

“You could be better off buying conventional or free-range chicken. There is no guarantee that organic chicken gives you more omega-3, better taste or a lower cholesterol level.”
Omega-3, taste, and cholesterol are three different qualities, and as such they are mentioned here. And the way she worded it most certainly implies that people are buying organic chicken because they expect to get a higher omega-3 content, better taste, and lower cholesterol.
To which I said I can't believe anyone buys organic chicken (not fish, not olive oil, not dietary supplements; but chicken) for higher omega-3 content and lower cholesterol.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2483821.html

As I always expected, organic food is just some hyped up bullshit:



So what are your thoughts, for those who eat only organic food, will this make you think twice before buying some or does this not affect you at all?

didn't know abou that... All I know is that the fruit sold in the Organic and Natural Food Store next to my apartment is at a way higher price than that of the Supermarket chain that is a block away.


I can't afford to eat healthy. :p

Organic food, which is produced according to standards covering the use of pesticides, additives, animal welfare and sustainability, has become big business with sales in the UK doubling in six years.


Where does it say anything -- ANYthing -- about organic being in any way lower in fat?

Before posting smugly, be sure your smugness is justified.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2483821.html

As I always expected, organic food is just some hyped up bullshit:



So what are your thoughts, for those who eat only organic food, will this make you think twice before buying some or does this not affect you at all?

I dont buy only for the feelings that it might be healthier to me, but also for the animals, as they are treated better on free range farms and not put in a caged cube with their beaks cut off used souly to produce eggs like a machine or something.

Antibiotics fed to beef and dairy cattle have been shown to transfer antibiotic resistance to human consumers. Hormones used in the same animals have been linked to early-onset puberty in girls.

The entire way the United States deals with feeding itself is a nightmare. Efficiency and profit have trumped health and reason. Realize that most US meals have ingredients which have had to travel thousands of miles by way of fuel-guzzling ships, trains and planes. I love a lot of food that isn't native to where I am, but I'd be willing to give it up or at least pay a premium for it in order to offset the pollution and petroleum use that comes with eating it. Some foods should be available all year 'round because they provide necessary health benefits (think citrus fruits or other vitamin-rich necessities). But I am old enough and lived rural enough to be excited when the season for a certain fruit, nut or veggie was coming around because that was the only time of year you could get them.

As a kid in Michigan, I looked forward to the apple harvest and maple tapping season. Look at your store shelves and see if the pancake syrup has any actual maple syrup in it. I know kids who've grown up on "Mrs. Butterworth's" (or whatever corn-syrup-as-maple substitute they were sold by cartoon advertising) and think that real maple syrup tastes bad. Heresy!

So corn syrup has become a staple of the US diet. I saw, and I wish I were joking, "Grapples" the other day at the supermarket. These are apples that have been somehow injected with the same artificial grape flavor found in sodas and candy. WTF, over?

Antibiotics fed to beef and dairy cattle have been shown to transfer antibiotic resistance to human consumers. Hormones used in the same animals have been linked to early-onset puberty in girls.


Humans cannot become antibiotic resistant. Antibiotics don't affect humans, they affect bacteria.

Do you have any sources for any of this tripe or is it more tree hugger crap? Go eat tree bark and moss if it makes you feel better, I want COW.

Where does it say anything -- ANYthing -- about organic being in any way lower in fat?

Before posting smugly, be sure your smugness is justified.

Are you high, or just one of those idiotic people?

Shit man you totaly miss the pioint. People eat organic food because they don't want to put too many chmicals into their bodies, and because theyr are concerned about how their live food has been treated.

Also I'd like to know why and by whom was this report ordered and perhaps more importantly who paid for it.

You can't just choose one report and base your view on it, you need to know more.

What you said, possibly with a witty comment.

Humans cannot become antibiotic resistant. Antibiotics don't affect humans, they affect bacteria.

I'm pretty sure the point was that the bacteria that affect humans are made resistant by the antibiotics in the meat.

Where does it say anything -- ANYthing -- about organic being in any way lower in fat?Here. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12050750#post12050750)
Before posting smugly, be sure your smugness is justified.Yes, it would help a lot if he conceded in the OP that he was proven wrong and that the article was bunk.

What you said, possibly with a witty comment.
Wit is wasted on the Intarwebs.

So what are your thoughts, for those who eat only organic food, will this make you think twice before buying some or does this not affect you at all?
People should be vegetarians like me, that way they don't have to bother with this rubbish. Though I have always found organic food to taste better than conventionally farmed food, so I disagree with the article there.

The article claims that organic meat is less tasty. I tend to agree as well.
That's a subjective thing. The claim that the investigation concluded it "tastes worse" makes me question its veracity.

hah yeah I used to be a butcher. I know all about that. Personaly speaking I belive if you can't kill your animal you really shouldn't be eating meat.
Hear here!

what do i mean by "naturally" vegetarian? kind of like it's a natural choice, like my other choices to use fewer prescription drugs, drink less alcohol, and eliminating all processed foods from my diet. for those curious, i'm feeling a pull towards raw, leafy greens these days... preferably sourced from my own garden or from a farmer i trust. more fruits and nuts, less starches. almost no grains. etc.

bad idea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_pyramid)

Not only that, but I can taste a difference between the organic and the other, and I prefer the organic. Hell, it's not like I eat that much chicken anyway.

Who are you going to trust, a study of dubious authorship or your own lying tastebuds?

Soil Association's response to this paper: "Journalists have been misled by misreporting of research which claimed to compare organic and non-organic chicken. (http://www.soilassociation.org.uk/web/sa/saweb.nsf/f201148200f2e8af80256dbf005202e4/5dc940c2a51256088025723b00470a2b!OpenDocument)"

Chemometric modelling to relate antioxidants, neutral lipid fatty acids, and flavor components in chicken breast',

Holy crap! They chemically tested it to determine if it tasted good? I'm all for hard data, but that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

heh heh heh heh meat
Excuse me?
What did you say?
Is there something you find amusing, master Nazz?
Would you like to share with the rest of the class?
mmmmm?
Come on, boy. Spit it out! Tell the rest of us what you find so hilarious.

no answer, eh? Cat got your tongue?

Stay behind after class, boy!

You too, CannotThinkOfAName!