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In this thread liberals suggest being more tolerant of nazis. If nazis are worse than Christians and are less tolerant. If a nazi were to openly state his views you'd say he has a right to them but is a Christian were to you'd probably flog him or something. I bet if the old man was a Christian showing off pictures of him and his friends in church or in Christian charity groups you'd all say his message is based on hate even though the nazi message is more hateful. Why is that?

Gee, can you say copycat trolling?

I knew you could!

You lost all respect with the thread title.

I haven't read the rest of your post; I fear it would only confirm my original sentiments.

You lost all respect with the thread title.

I haven't read the rest of your post; I fear it would only confirm my original sentiments.

All I'm asking is why are Christians considered worse than nazis?

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All I'm asking is why are Christians considered worse than nazis?

Where are Christians considered worse than Nazis? And are the individuals who believe this indicative of all "liberals"?

:headbang:

German soldiers =/= Nazis.

Where are Christians considered worse than Nazis?
*cough*NSG*cough*
And are the individuals who believe this indicative of all "liberals"?
Clearly not, since I am liberal and Catholic, but many of the NSG liberals seem to take any oppurtunity they can to insult religion.

All I'm asking is why are Christians considered worse than nazis?

because some of them make posts like this?

I dunno...just a thought...

Where are Christians considered worse than Nazis? And are the individuals who believe this indicative of all "liberals"?

In the thread they suggest to the topic starter to be more tolerant of nazis while they are not tolerant with Christians. Tolerating nazis but not Christians suggests they see Christians as worse. And liberals are the only people who would tolerate things like nazism.

because some of them make posts like this?

I dunno...just a thought...

And nazis haven't made worse posts? Besides this is a sympathy thread for the Christians and you guys call it flambaiting.

because some of them make posts like this?

I dunno...just a thought...

You're kidding, right?

You think annoying posts are worse than genocide?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506166

In this thread liberals suggest being more tolerant of nazis. If nazis are worse than Christians and are less tolerant. If a nazi were to openly state his views you'd say he has a right to them but is a Christian were to you'd probably flog him or something. I bet if the old man was a Christian showing off pictures of him and his friends in church or in Christian charity groups you'd all say his message is based on hate even though the nazi message is more hateful. Why is that?

Oh, by the way, liberal (right here) also confirmed and spent over 15 of my 20years attending church every sunday...
but you know what, I might have enjoyed being with nazis more ( I just can't decide)

Oh, by the way, liberal (right here) also confirmed and spent over 15 of my 20years attending church every sunday...
but you know what, I might have enjoyed being with nazis more ( I just can't decide)


Ahhh...hypocrisy, a left winger hanging out with right wing extremists that hate your kinds guts. If nazis hate liberals but Christians do not hate them as much wouldn't you want to go hag out with the people less likely yo kill you?

In the thread they suggest to the topic starter to be more tolerant of nazis while they are not tolerant with Christians.

How do you know they are not tolerant of Christians? Provide quotes, in context, with links to the source, and please...make sure they weren't joking.

And I still am waiting to be shown how these individuals are indicative of wider "liberal" thinking.

Tolerating nazis but not Christians suggests they see Christians as worse. And liberals are the only people who would tolerate things like nazism.

No more right-wing people would tolerate Nazism? Or, you know, Nazis themselves?

I hate to be the one to break the news for you, love, but most Nazi sympathisers are, in fact, on the right/authoritarian axis of the political scale.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506166

In this thread liberals suggest being more tolerant of nazis. If nazis are worse than Christians and are less tolerant. If a nazi were to openly state his views you'd say he has a right to them but is a Christian were to you'd probably flog him or something. I bet if the old man was a Christian showing off pictures of him and his friends in church or in Christian charity groups you'd all say his message is based on hate even though the nazi message is more hateful. Why is that?

Ahhh...hypocrisy, a left winger hanging out with right wing extremists that hate your kinds guts. If nazis hate liberals but Christians do not hate them as much wouldn't you want to go hag out with the people less likely yo kill you?


I completely disagree with nazis and tolerate christians and respect their beliefs, I am simply asking not to clump me as liberal who hates christians..I do not feel that way.

In the thread they suggest to the topic starter to be more tolerant of nazis while they are not tolerant with Christians. Tolerating nazis but not Christians suggests they see Christians as worse. And liberals are the only people who would tolerate things like nazism.



And nazis haven't made worse posts? Besides this is a sympathy thread for the Christians and you guys call it flambaiting.
Ah yes, the poor oppressed Christians. Remember when a winning presidential canadite implied that they weren't even citizens...

Oh no, wait, that was atheists...right...

Anyway. Please find and quote these people who are saying that Nazis are worse than Christians (what about Christian Nazis?) and then ask said people directly instead of this flamebaity flambaitery...

I disagree with nazis and tolerate christians and respect their beliefs, I am simply asking not to clump me as liberal who hates christians..I do not feel that way.

Ok I won't, the only liberals that post usually are talking about how they hate Christians and how they're like terrorists so I guess I got a wrong idea. Sorry. :(

Ah yes, the poor oppressed Christians. Remember when a winning presidential canadite implied that they weren't even citizens...

Oh no, wait, that was atheists...right...

Anyway. Please find and quote these people who are saying that Nazis are worse than Christians (what about Christian Nazis?) and then ask said people directly instead of this flamebaity flambaitery...

I came to that conclusion from logistics. As posted in my previous post I misunderstood the circumstances.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506166

In this thread liberals suggest being more tolerant of nazis. If nazis are worse than Christians and are less tolerant. If a nazi were to openly state his views you'd say he has a right to them but is a Christian were to you'd probably flog him or something. I bet if the old man was a Christian showing off pictures of him and his friends in church or in Christian charity groups you'd all say his message is based on hate even though the nazi message is more hateful. Why is that?Because kicking puppies is what liberals do best.

Say, how many Christians have you seen flogged lately? Publicly, I mean?

I came to that conclusion from logistics. As posted in my previous post I misunderstood the circumstances.A malapropism. Nice, but I think it gave you away.

*grinds teeth*
Not. Every. German. Soldier. In. World. War. 2. Was. A. Nazi.

Not all liberals are like that, I consider myself a liberal (economically-speaking) however, I am a devout Christian

Ok I won't, the only liberals that post usually are talking about how they hate Christians and how they're like terrorists so I guess I got a wrong idea. Sorry. :(

maybe its just the idea of pushing opinions on other people as a whole. Nobody wants someone else to tell them how to feel or whether or not what they believe is right or wrong, doesn't exsist, ect...

*grinds teeth*
Not. Every. German. Soldier. In. World. War. 2. Was. A. Nazi.

Where was it claimed they were?

Where was it claimed they were?

In the thread link the topic starter asked what to do if he was and they told her to "become more tolerant"

Hefck hitlers probably spinning in his grave, he openly admited he was intolerant at his speeches and that he hated tolerance of other parties in Germany (this was before his chancellorship)

In the thread link the topic starter asked what to do if he was and they told her to "become more tolerant"

Then Hamilay is posting in the wrong thread.

I came to that conclusion from logistics.

Aw that's just cute.

I hate jolt. I hate it so much.
Where was it claimed they were?
The OP is saying that 'liberals' are asking people to become more tolerant of the 'Nazi' in the linked thread. There's no way you can simply say he's a Nazi.
In the thread link the topic starter asked what to do if he was and they told her to "become more tolerant"

Hefck hitlers probably spinning in his grave, he openly admited he was intolerant at his speeches and that he hated tolerance of other parties in Germany (this was before his chancellorship)
I remember that thread, asking the author to become 'more tolerant' was not a reference to what they should do if he was a Nazi, it was a reference to that the author should become more tolerant of German WWII vets, instead of assuming the worst.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506166

In this thread liberals suggest being more tolerant of nazis. If nazis are worse than Christians and are less tolerant. If a nazi were to openly state his views you'd say he has a right to them but is a Christian were to you'd probably flog him or something. I bet if the old man was a Christian showing off pictures of him and his friends in church or in Christian charity groups you'd all say his message is based on hate even though the nazi message is more hateful. Why is that?

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If a nazi were to openly state his views you'd say he has a right to them but is a Christian were to you'd probably flog him or something. I bet if the old man was a Christian showing off pictures of him and his friends in church or in Christian charity groups you'd all say his message is based on hate even though the nazi message is more hateful. Why is that?

Oddly enough, I've never actually flogged *anybody*, Nazi, Christian, or otherwise.

I think that someone who has Nazi views has a right to state them -- but that doesn't mean I won't reply, even vehemently. (After all, I have my right to state my views too, yes?)

....and if you are wondering why starting this thread might be considered "flaming," well, your statement seems to not-very-subtly imply that all "liberals" seem to think that all Christians are worse than Nazis. If people are being snide, it is because you've managed to manifest Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law) in the *very first post* of this thread.

There are all sorts of Christians, and I have known some very decent folk who have gone out of their way to be kind to me and to exhibit their faith without making any effort to push it onto me. I have respect for Christians who seem to make a real effort to live by what I understand to be major tenets of Christianity, e.g. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

I have rather less respect for self-styled and self-righteous "Christians" who wield selected literal passages from the Bible like a cudgel while ignoring other passages. It's one thing to find inspiration and faith from a holy book, and quite another to use it as an excuse to not think -- especially when combined with the hypocrisy of ignoring some passages while fervently embracing the literal truth of others.

Still, I think even they have a right to say what they believe -- but I reserve to disagree with them loudly (and yet, hopefully coherently), in the hope that persons of sense will be persuaded by reason rather than coerced by censorship.

In this thread liberals suggest being more tolerant of nazis. If nazis are worse than Christians and are less tolerant. If a nazi were to openly state his views you'd say he has a right to them but is a Christian were to you'd probably flog him or something. I bet if the old man was a Christian showing off pictures of him and his friends in church or in Christian charity groups you'd all say his message is based on hate even though the nazi message is more hateful. Why is that?


Both a Nazi and a Fundamentalist have the right to speak their minds.

I then reserve my rights to sounds mock and trash them. I don't like Nazis or any other type of totalitarians, so why would I like Fundamentalists?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506166

In this thread liberals suggest being more tolerant of nazis. If nazis are worse than Christians and are less tolerant. If a nazi were to openly state his views you'd say he has a right to them but is a Christian were to you'd probably flog him or something. I bet if the old man was a Christian showing off pictures of him and his friends in church or in Christian charity groups you'd all say his message is based on hate even though the nazi message is more hateful. Why is that?

You have obviously not seen the shit that the stormfront immigrants take on NS. Only the least devout stormfront scum show up at NS and they have new assholes torn for them.

Christians, on the other hand, (only a few boistrous ones) come on to NS, get faced with obstinate refutation of their beliefs, and start bawling.


In relation to your bet, I have never seen a single post in which someone asked what should be done if approached by a man with memorabilia from his Christian charity group, so I don't think anyone considers that an ethical dilemma.


And just so you know, the reason that the most boistrous Christians on here are the ones that take the most grief is not a result of their religion, but a result of their idiotic, trolling posts. There are open Christians on here who are well liked and respected.

You have obviously not seen the shit that the stormfront immigrants take on NS. Only the least devout stormfront scum show up at NS and they have new assholes torn for them.

Christians, on the other hand, (only a few boistrous ones) come on to NS, get faced with obstinate refutation of their beliefs, and start bawling.


In relation to your bet, I have never seen a single post in which someone asked what should be done if approached by a man with memorabilia from his Christian charity group, so I don't think anyone considers that an ethical dilemma.


And just so you know, the reason that the most boistrous Christians on here are the ones that take the most grief is not a result of their religion, but a result of their idiotic, trolling posts. There are open Christians on here who are well liked and respected.


Actually and seeing as this is a kind of nonsense anyways,

if you did take the history of Christianity through the various sects
including the Catholic Church
and given how important some sects consider the continuity
from foundation to now is in validating themselves and their faith

What kind of argument could be made comparing Nazis and Christians?

Once you include the inquisition and suchlike.
Of course its always going to be over a much longer timescale but
how much of a difference does that make?

Certainly there were centuries where Jews were really quite picked on
to use a mild term by the Christians and you could perhaps even make
a case that that contributed to setting up the conditions that the
Nazis then took to their own particular level.

Actually and seeing as this is a kind of nonsense anyways,

if you did take the history of Christianity through the various sects
including the Catholic Church
and given how important some sects consider the continuity
from foundation to now is in validating themselves and their faith

What kind of argument could be made comparing Nazis and Christians?

Once you include the inquisition and suchlike.
Of course its always going to be over a much longer timescale but
how much of a difference does that make?

Certainly there were centuries where Jews were really quite picked on
to use a mild term by the Christians and you could perhaps even make
a case that that contributed to setting up the conditions that the
Nazis then took to their own particular level.

Except that the misdeeds of Christians do not reflect Christian doctrine nor the wishes of most Christians. The same cannot be said for Nazis.

Thanks for making me look like a shithead and proving him right.

Actually and seeing as this is a kind of nonsense anyways,

if you did take the history of Christianity through the various sects
including the Catholic Church
and given how important some sects consider the continuity
from foundation to now is in validating themselves and their faith

What kind of argument could be made comparing Nazis and Christians?

Once you include the inquisition and suchlike.
Of course its always going to be over a much longer timescale but
how much of a difference does that make?

Certainly there were centuries where Jews were really quite picked on
to use a mild term by the Christians and you could perhaps even make
a case that that contributed to setting up the conditions that the
Nazis then took to their own particular level.

You're also successfully ignoring any good things that Christians have done in the past. I can pretty much sum up how much good Nazi's did:
0.

You're also successfully ignoring any good things that Christians have done in the past. I can pretty much sum up how much good Nazi's did:
0.

He also failed to mention that it was not Christianity that committed those atrocities, but authority who manipulated beliefs and information of the followers.

There is pretty much no sympathy for Nazi sympathizers.

You're also successfully ignoring any good things that Christians have done in the past. I can pretty much sum up how much good Nazi's did:
0.

Trains ran on time.


wait, that was the Italians...

Christians can be compared to Nazis in the sense of conservative rightist 'christians' particularly prevalent in the US. Most are islamophobic, homophobic, racist, ultranationalist and generally intolerant.

But I refuse to link such individuals and groups to religion, again particularly in the US the political right has hijacked religion for their own perverse political ideals. In which non-issues such as abortion, same sex marriage and relationships, so called 'family values' are pervaded with a religious shield when Jesus' message was for issues of social justice and tolerance. Many christians properly when involved in politics go for the issues of social justice, and they are proper christians who actually realise the message of Jesus Christ.

Those conservatives are not christians are should never be associated with that belief no matter what they say, homophobia and generall fear-mongering etc is nothing but glorified Nazism and targetting of minority groups.

Christians can be compared to Nazis in the sense of conservative rightist 'christians' particularly prevalent in the US. Most are islamophobic, homophobic, racist, ultranationalist and generally intolerant.

But I refuse to link such individuals and groups to religion, again particularly in the US the political right has hijacked religion for their own perverse political ideals. In which non-issues such as abortion, same sex marriage and relationships, so called 'family values' are pervaded with a religious shield when Jesus' message was for issues of social justice and tolerance. Many christians properly when involved in politics go for the issues of social justice, and they are proper christians who actually realise the message of Jesus Christ.

Those conservatives are not christians are should never be associated with that belief no matter what they say, homophobia and generall fear-mongering etc is nothing but glorified Nazism and targetting of minority groups.

Hear, hear.

I'm personally a Christian (studying at divinity school to be a pastor) and a political liberal. While I hold myself to a "conservative" standard, I realize that the US is a secular nation and is to be treated as such. That's why I'm for gay marriage, legalized abortion and religious freedom.

I will always ask people considering abortions to reconsider, to think of other options. I'll tell people what I think about religious standards...if they ask. But the reason the US is so great is we can live and let live. The problem with nazis is that they were...as you said, homophobic ultranationalist, and crammed their ideology down your throat with the barrell of a gun. A lot of televangelists do the same, and I can't stand them. I hate mixing religion and politics (thus, the conservative/liberal dichotomy)

Still, I wouldn't say that Christians are considered Nazis. But nobody likes somebody who forces their beliefs on you. If I were living in an Islamic state, I would want to practice Christianity without fear, and I wouldn't want people to force me to hear their ideology. Likewise, I should treat Muslims by me with the same dignity I'd want.

In the defense of Nazis: (that comes out wrong) The defense isn't of their ideology but their ability to speak out. It's not like anybody will listen to them anyways, and if they do, it won't be a large group. One can counter-protest, you know. It's happened.

I always find this nonsense bizarre. I'm a Christian and I've rarely gotten any flack from liberals for my beliefs. I've gotten some here and there, but the majority of the flack I've gotten has been from Christians who claim I can't be a Christian unless I reject the teachings of Jesus and become intolerant like them. (Okay, they don't literally say that, but that's the essence of it.)

I've never seen anyone here claim that Nazis were good people other than Nazis. All I've ever seen is people claiming that people have the right to their opinions and a few extremists on either side who bitch because they can't win an argument so they feel like the other side should be silenced.

Hmph. Saying all liberals (for lack of a better term) hate Christianity based on what one (misinterpreted) post says is like saying all Christians hate liberals based on what Pat Robertson says.

I always find this nonsense bizarre. I'm a Christian and I've rarely gotten any flack from liberals for my beliefs. I've gotten some here and there, but the majority of the flack I've gotten has been from Christians who claim I can't be a Christian unless I reject the teachings of Jesus and become intolerant like them. (Okay, they don't literally say that, but that's the essence of it.)

I've never seen anyone here claim that Nazis were good people other than Nazis. All I've ever seen is people claiming that people have the right to their opinions and a few extremists on either side who bitch because they can't win an argument so they feel like the other side should be silenced.Sorry, it's "FlaK" or "flak", not "flack"...

I just don't want to see another abomination like "flectar" see the light of day.

Sorry, it's "FlaK" or "flak", not "flack"...

I just don't want to see another abomination like "flectar" see the light of day.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
Main Entry: flak
Variant(s): also flack /'flak/
3 also flack : CRITICISM, OPPOSITION

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
Main Entry: flak
Variant(s): also flack /'flak/
3 also flack : CRITICISM, OPPOSITIONI see that it's too late :(

Most Nazis were Christians, including Hitler.

I see that it's too late :(

No worries. Yours is the more common usage. I'll probably switch to it if I can remember.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506166

In this thread liberals suggest being more tolerant of nazis. If nazis are worse than Christians and are less tolerant. If a nazi were to openly state his views you'd say he has a right to them but is a Christian were to you'd probably flog him or something. I bet if the old man was a Christian showing off pictures of him and his friends in church or in Christian charity groups you'd all say his message is based on hate even though the nazi message is more hateful. Why is that?
How would anyone logically say that a church is inherently hateful, an a charity group even less so. This forum is full of liberals, and I've never seen anyone say such things. Care to provide examples?

Most Nazis were Christians, including Hitler.
Umm, yes, in a sense. Most fascist leaders were not actually Christian, but they led Christian countries so they had to fake it.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005206

Most Neo-Nazis today consider Christianity and other traditional religions, to be for "naive sheep".