NationStates Jolt Archive


Is Conflict in Darfur actually A Genocide?

Courrupt
07-12-2006, 03:06
Genocide is "The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group" (dictionary.com, Page 1). In Darfur, the Sudanese government has set up an Arab militia called the Janjaweed. The Janjaweed have committed several war crimes such as vandalism, assault, murder, and rape for the alleged cause of fighting the rebels. Thus, the conflict and violence in Darfur is in fact not genocide since it has not reached the level of systematic extermination of a whole or part of a specific group of people.

Kofi Annan in his statement that “I cannot call the killing a genocide even though there have been massive violations of international humanitarian law”

Peter Quayle, an expert of International Crime Tribune for the Former Yugoslavia, who declares, “Darfurians are targeted because of the possibility they shelter and sustain rebels. Outside the conflict zone they are unharmed”

Alex De Waal, a London Observer reporter, quoted:
“We will see that the story is not as simple as the conventional rendering in the news, which depicts a conflict between ‘Arabs’ and ‘Africans.’ The Zaghawa…are certainly indigenous, black and African: they share distant origins with the Berbers of Morocco and other ancient Saharan peoples. But the name of the ‘Bedeyat’, the Zaghawa’s close kin, should alert us to their true origins: pluralize in the more traditional manner and we have ‘Bedeyiin’ or Bedouins. Similarly, the Zaghawa’s adversaries in this war, the Darfurian Arabs, are ‘Arabs’ in the ancient sense of ‘Bedouin,’ meaning desert nomad…Darfurian Arabs, too, are indigenous, black, and African. In fact there are no discernible racial or religious differences between the two: all have lived there for centuries” (Alex de Wall, Page 4).

Yet, the US Senate, Congress, and Executive Branch believe there is a genocide in Darfur.

Whats yur opinion?
Cosmo Island
07-12-2006, 04:06
I believe it is a genocide - the conflict might be between two black groups, but they seem to have a definite idea that there is some racial distinctions between the groups, and I would also call the violence a systematic massacre we are looking at 400 thousand casualties in a few years and 2 million displaced from their homes.

Just because their appears to be no obvious racial difference doesn't mean it's not genocide. Many practitioners of genocide have a rather skewed view of what consititutes a 'race' - just look at the Nazis and their attempt to classify themselves as Aryan.
Itinerate Tree Dweller
07-12-2006, 04:11
I suspect that it is a genocide, but I have no first hand evidence, nor have I actively researched the matter for myself. Regardless, the violence that is occurring definitely merits outside analysis. Somebody needs to go in there and find out what exactly is happening.
The Black Forrest
07-12-2006, 06:37
It's genocide.
Layarteb
07-12-2006, 07:03
I'd say so.
Soviestan
07-12-2006, 07:04
I think the jury is still out.
Arthais101
07-12-2006, 08:06
I think the jury is still out.

so the israeli's are as bad as the nazis but the muslim janjaweed, well that we can't jump to conclusions....why do I have the feeling that if the situation was reversed you'd be crying war crimes, instead of hemming and hawing.
Callisdrun
07-12-2006, 08:26
Maybe not strictly a genocide, but arguing over whether it strictly qualifies or not is just semantics.

The point is, it's unbelievably horrible.
Aryavartha
07-12-2006, 08:28
so the israeli's are as bad as the nazis but the muslim janjaweed, well that we can't jump to conclusions....why do I have the feeling that if the situation was reversed you'd be crying war crimes, instead of hemming and hawing.

Silly guy. Don't you know? It does not count if it is done by muslims.

Lack of outrage over the Arab janjaweed is nothing new. Pakistani army (muslims ) killed 3 million Bangladeshi muslims. Not a peep was heard from a single muslim country. The only country which acted on it was the dirty kaffir Indians.
CthulhuFhtagn
07-12-2006, 08:41
so the israeli's are as bad as the nazis but the muslim janjaweed, well that we can't jump to conclusions....why do I have the feeling that if the situation was reversed you'd be crying war crimes, instead of hemming and hawing.

He's been going on about that long before he converted to Islam and decided that meant he had to hate Jews.
Zilam
07-12-2006, 08:54
Are my eyes black? Answer that and you got the answer to the OP's question


Yes
Callisdrun
07-12-2006, 09:11
He's been going on about that long before he converted to Islam and decided that meant he had to hate Jews.

In my country there is problem...
Neu Leonstein
07-12-2006, 09:49
At the very least it's ethnic cleansing.
Soheran
07-12-2006, 10:01
Honestly, I couldn't care less whether or not it meets the definition of "genocide."

It remains unjustifiable mass murder on an immense scale.
Zexaland
07-12-2006, 11:05
Genocide or not, people are getting killed in large groups. I can't say I am not opposed to that.
Soviestan
08-12-2006, 08:50
so the israeli's are as bad as the nazis but the muslim janjaweed, well that we can't jump to conclusions....why do I have the feeling that if the situation was reversed you'd be crying war crimes, instead of hemming and hawing.

You do realise they are killing other Muslims right? So if we find out that they are committing genocide of course I will be outraged. As Muslims we should be united, not killing each other based on ethnicity. I've heard reports of the janjaweed killing people in prayer at Mosque and peeing on the Qur'an. I was sick when I heard of this, but I am yet to see the report verifed.
Congo--Kinshasa
08-12-2006, 22:52
Yes, it is a genocide.