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Possible Water Activity on Mars

Londim
06-12-2006, 23:38
Interesting, no?

Article
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6214834.stm)

Water flowed 'recently' on Mars

Gullies like this could have been cut by water, Nasa says
Nasa says it has found "compelling" evidence that liquid water flowed recently on the surface of Mars.
The finding adds further weight to the idea that Mars might harbour the right conditions for life.

The appearance of gullies, revealed in orbital images from a Nasa probe, suggests that water could have flowed on the surface in the last few years.

But some scientists think these fresh gullies could also have been cut by liquid carbon dioxide (CO2).

The latest research emerged when Nasa's Mars Global Surveyor (MGS) spacecraft spotted gullies and trenches that scientists believed were geologically young and carved by fast-moving water coursing down cliffs and steep crater walls.

Scientists at the San Diego-based Malin Space Science Systems, who operate a camera aboard MGS decided to retake photos of thousands of gullies in search of evidence for recent water activity.

We're now realising Mars is more active than we previously thought, and that the mid-latitude section seems to be where all the action is

Phil Christensen, Arizona State University
Two gullies that were originally photographed in 1999 and 2001, and imaged again in 2004 and 2005, showed changes consistent with water flowing down the crater walls, according to the study.

In both cases, scientists found bright, light-coloured deposits in the gullies that were not present in the original photos. They concluded that the deposits - possibly mud, salt or frost - were left there when water recently cascaded through the channels.

Other scientists think it possible that gullies like this were caused not by water but by liquid carbon dioxide.

One of the reasons for favouring CO2 was that computer models of the Martian crust indicated water could exist only at depths of several kilometres. Liquid carbon dioxide, on the other hand, could persist much nearer the surface where temperatures can drop as low as -107C.

Prospects for life

Oded Aharonson, an assistant professor of planetary science at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) said that while the interpretation of recent water activity on Mars was "compelling," it was just one possible explanation.

Aharonson said further study was needed to determine whether the deposits could have been left there by the flow of dust rather than water.

Deciding what was responsible for the features is a pressing question that has important consequences for the likelihood of life on Mars. Scientists have proposed that reservoirs of liquid water could exist beneath the Martian surface, providing a habitat for microbial life.

"This underscores the importance of searching for life on Mars, either present or past," said Bruce Jakosky, an astrobiologist at the University of Colorado at Boulder, who had no role in the study. "It's one more reason to think that life could be there."

Mars Global Surveyor abruptly lost radio contact with Earth last month. Attempts to locate the spacecraft, which has mapped the Red Planet since 1996, have failed, and scientists fear it is lost.

Nasa's Mars rovers, which landed in 2004, have sent scientists back equally strong evidence that liquid water flowed on the surface in ancient times, based on observations of alterations in ancient rocks.

"We're now realising Mars is more active than we previously thought, and that the mid-latitude section seems to be where all the action is," said Arizona State University scientist Phil Christensen, who was not part of the current research.

Details of the work appear in the journal Science
Neo Sanderstead
06-12-2006, 23:45
Intriguing, but still the motto of "where we find water, we find life" cuts little sway with me, seeing as how water of itself cannot create life and nor does it nessecarly cause life so what is it that does.

Its definitely intersting though, possible advance for colonisation
Farnhamia
06-12-2006, 23:51
Intriguing, but still the motto of "where we find water, we find life" cuts little sway with me, seeing as how water of itself cannot create life and nor does it nessecarly cause life so what is it that does.

Its definitely intersting though, possible advance for colonisation

Life as we know it can't exist without liquid water. Regardless of how life starts, it appears to need water. At least on our orbiting ball of rocks. Elsewhere, who knows? Finding evidence of water gives us the hope that maybe Mars produced life at some point.
Liberated New Ireland
06-12-2006, 23:54
Intriguing, but still the motto of "where we find water, we find life" cuts little sway with me, seeing as how water of itself cannot create life

Surely you've heard of spontaneous generation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_generation#Spontaneous_Generation)?! :eek:

Seriously, though, how do you know it can't make some sort of hydrogen-oxygen based form of life?
Soviestan
07-12-2006, 00:35
I find this hard to believe, and water doesn't mean life.
Farnhamia
07-12-2006, 00:38
I find this hard to believe, and water doesn't mean life.

No, but it means the possibility. And why's it hard to believe, that there should have water once on Mars, and perhaps recently?
Dinaverg
07-12-2006, 00:44
No, but it means the possibility. And why's it hard to believe, that there should have water once on Mars, and perhaps recently?

Maybe the ice caps of Mars are melting? Maybe it's Solar Systemic Warming?
Farnhamia
07-12-2006, 00:48
Maybe the ice caps of Mars are melting? Maybe it's Solar Systemic Warming?

:eek:
The South Islands
07-12-2006, 00:50
Interesting. This serves to remind us of how little we actually know about Mars.
Commonalitarianism
07-12-2006, 01:07
Rather unimpressive, hydrogen and oxygen compressed together. It does not mean much. We seem to have a fixation on mars. Life is more likely on Europa the frozen ice moon. Comets and the Oort cloud also probably have lots of water. Mars is a dead planet with a giant gravity well.
Dobbsworld
07-12-2006, 03:00
Mars is a dead planet with a giant gravity well.

Not giant, surely.
Vetalia
07-12-2006, 03:05
Rather unimpressive, hydrogen and oxygen compressed together. It does not mean much. We seem to have a fixation on mars. Life is more likely on Europa the frozen ice moon. Comets and the Oort cloud also probably have lots of water. Mars is a dead planet with a giant gravity well.

Europa is a giant ball of hydrogen and oxygen compressed together surrounding a rocky core. What makes it more likely for life to exist there as opposed to Mars, which had a period of confirmed Earth-like conditions and volcanic activity for a significant portion of its history?

Not to mention it takes a lot longer for exploration vehicles to reach Europa compared to Mars, and the chance of things going wrong en-route is more manageable on trips to Mars than the outer solar system.
Kyronea
07-12-2006, 03:21
Maybe the ice caps of Mars are melting? Maybe it's Solar Systemic Warming?

That would be hilarious. Watch, next we'll hear that Venus is imploding from the sheer weight of its atmosphere. :D

As for this supposed recent water flow, I only have one question: could not the erosion be caused also by sand? Is there a discernable difference? So long as they show that to me, I'll be convinced. There's nothing else on that planet that could have done it.
New Granada
07-12-2006, 07:40
One more step towards finding life on mars.

Then, the last nail in the Mud Theory of Origins coffin.
South Lizasauria
07-12-2006, 07:54
We should seed life on mars by sending microbes from earth.
Teh_pantless_hero
07-12-2006, 08:02
Rather unimpressive, hydrogen and oxygen compressed together. It does not mean much. We seem to have a fixation on mars. Life is more likely on Europa the frozen ice moon. Comets and the Oort cloud also probably have lots of water. Mars is a dead planet with a giant gravity well.

I wonder what Lassie would do if Timmy fell in that.
South Lizasauria
07-12-2006, 08:10
Originally Posted by Commonalitarianism
Rather unimpressive, hydrogen and oxygen compressed together. It does not mean much. We seem to have a fixation on mars. Life is more likely on Europa the frozen ice moon. Comets and the Oort cloud also probably have lots of water. Mars is a dead planet with a giant gravity well.

Dude, it's gravity is less powerful compared to earth's, in fact Mars is a smaller planet thus it has less powerful gravity, part of the reason the atmostphere is not thick enough for humans to live in it.
Kyronea
07-12-2006, 08:14
I wonder what Lassie would do if Timmy fell in that.

Lassie would find it easier than ever to retrieve Timmy seeing as how even at its strongest Martian gravity is 1/3 of Earth's gravity.