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apparently virgins are not normal.

http://cyber-church.com/shortseries/jesusormuhammad.htm

got this link emailed to me for other reasons, but I just couldn't get past the comparison of virgin to 'normal woman'

what's up with that?

totally laughing over here.

The bit that amuses me is that there's no reference for "Jesus lives!"

That's odd...

And it seems "normal" as used here is a pejorative. But virginity is the standard issue condition for females, so in a sense the virgin is the normal woman. Of course, I do see what the good pastor was about, but he's been a bit ham-handed. :p

but........does that make normal now? I don't wanna be normal, I don't like the norm.........

but........does that make normal now? I don't wanna be normal, I don't like the norm.........

Isn't there a town in OK called Normal? Anyway, you've had kids and, well, Sminkee dear, you've depreciated. In a nice way, of course, but you are no longer standard issue female.

Of course they’re different. They’re ugly.

I think the point that while a virgin is "normal" a virgin who gives birth certainly is not.

Isn't there a town in OK called Normal? Anyway, you've had kids and, well, Sminkee dear, you've depreciated. In a nice way, of course, but you are no longer standard issue female.

:(

I think the point that while a virgin is "normal" a virgin who gives birth certainly is not.

I know that, it's just they could have worded it more.....clearly.

Here's another issue:

How could Jesus have read the Bible? It wasn't put together until centuries after his death!

Has anyone pointed out to them that this bit is absurd:

"The God of Jesus Christ sent His Son to die for you. The god of Muhammad demands that you send your son to die for him."


They're the same god. I find their capitalization of the word god to be very telling too. Interesting if Jesus is in the sentence apparently it's capital G, but if Muhammad is in the sentence alone it's lower case G.

Here's another issue:

How could Jesus have read the Bible? It wasn't put together until centuries after his death!
didn't get that far, I was offended and depressed because apparently I am now "normal" :(
Has anyone pointed out to them that this bit is absurd:

"The God of Jesus Christ sent His Son to die for you. The god of Muhammad demands that you send your son to die for him."


They're the same god.

some people don't think they are.

Some people think their teeth are talking to them.

Has anyone pointed out to them that this bit is absurd:

"The God of Jesus Christ sent His Son to die for you. The god of Muhammad demands that you send your son to die for him."


They're the same god. I find their capitalization of the word god to be very telling too. Interesting if Jesus is in the sentence apparently it's capital G, but if Muhammad is in the sentence alone it's lower case G.
God is an idea. If they want to think that their God is different than they certainly can. I mean the concept is illogical by definition, why apply rules to it?

Here's another issue:

How could Jesus have read the Bible? It wasn't put together until centuries after his death!

That's not true, there were Old testament texts handy in Judaea at that time. There was undoubtedly a process of codifying the texts later on but he would have had something to read, no problem.

Of course they’re different. They’re ugly.

Aww.. Im a virgin...and now I am ugly?


or does that just pertain to virgin women?

Some people think their teeth are talking to them.

they aren't :confused: :eek:

Some people think their teeth are talking to them.



Mine tell me I need to eat you

:eek:

I find this funny, as they do not seem to comprehend the fact that Mohammed never really proclaimed to holy, in a sense, but a prophet... but heh, that's an entirely different story. And does anyone find it rather funny that they say that he died of unexpected illness, which he had said was due to poisoning? Not really sure how that can happen... if he's dead, he can't claim anything, especially if it is unexpected.

That's not true, there were Old testament texts handy in Judaea at that time. There was undoubtedly a process of codifying the texts later on but he would have had something to read, no problem.

...but it wouldn't have been the Bible. There were many, many, many texts that Christ might have read and taught about. Many more, in fact, that didn't make it into the Bible than those that did. Meanwhile, the Bible contains texts written long after Christ's death.

So yes, the Bible was put together long after Christ's death. Many of the texts included were written long after Christ's death. Christ could not have read the Bible.

Aww.. Im a virgin...and now I am ugly?


or does that just pertain to virgin women?
Both. Unless you're like a priest or something.

...but it wouldn't have been the Bible. There were many, many, many texts that Christ might have read and taught about. Many more, in fact, that didn't make it into the Bible than those that did. Meanwhile, the Bible contains texts written long after Christ's death.

So yes, the Bible was put together long after Christ's death. Many of the texts included were written long after Christ's death. Christ could not have read the Bible.

Picky, picky. True, there was no Bible by Christian standards because Christ had to die for the New Testament to be created. But I think if you'd asked a rabbi back then, he'd have shown you a holy book that he considered central to his worship.

...but it wouldn't have been the Bible. There were many, many, many texts that Christ might have read and taught about. Many more, in fact, that didn't make it into the Bible than those that did. Meanwhile, the Bible contains texts written long after Christ's death.

So yes, the Bible was put together long after Christ's death. Many of the texts included were written long after Christ's death. Christ could not have read the Bible.

careful of your words. The "old testament" is what a jew would call the bible, which christ, if he existed, certainly was.

While it's common to refer to it as "the old testament" now, it obviously was not then, for lack of a "new testament".

Jesus would have called the old testament "the bible".

Picky, picky. True, there was no Bible by Christian standards because Christ had to die for the New Testament to be created. But I think if you'd asked a rabbi back then, he'd have shown you a holy book that he considered central to his worship.

Actually, he probably would have shown you quite a few, all collectively referred to as "Scriptures", just as a rabbi most likely would today.

It is quite obvious, however, that the preacher in question was trying to make Jesus look holy by suggesting that he read the Bible, not the Jewish Scriptures, only some of which were included in the Bible.


careful of your words. The "old testament" is what a jew would call the bible, which christ, if he existed, certainly was.

No, it isn't. Jewish people refer to their various texts by their own names, the one most often discussed being the Torah. I highly doubt you will find many Jews who refer to any of their various Scriptures as "The Bible". The Jewish scriptures do include much of what is found in the OT of the Bible, as well as quite a few other writings.

"The Bible" is not a name for any holy book, any more than "The Holy Qu'ran" is a name for any holy book.

While it's common to refer to it as "the old testament" now, it obviously was not then, for lack of a "new testament".

Indeed. And it was uncommon (if it happened at all) for the particular books chosen to be part of the Old Testament to be considered (a) a single collection of Scripture or (b) the only Scripture.

And the lack of the "new testament" is not the only reason that the OT did not exist. It also did not exist because the council of bishops had not yet gone through and picked specific ancient texts to include, while rejecting others. Individual rabbis and various Jewish sects undoubtedly had their favorites, but no official canon of a small subset of Scripture had yet been officially dubbed as having primacy over the rest (with the possible exception of the Torah, which is much smaller than the OT).

Jesus would have called the old testament "the bible".

Highly unlikely, considering that the word has been used for the Chrisitan canon, and not for the Scriptures of other religions. Not to mention that Christ, as a rabbi, most likely revered quite a bit of Scripture that was not included in the OT. This is like saying that Muhammed or any given Muslim would call the Qu'ran "the bible." Have you seen that happen much?

Actually, he probably would have shown you quite a few, all collectively referred to as "Scriptures", just as a rabbi most likely would today.

It is quite obvious, however, that the preacher in question was trying to make Jesus look holy by suggesting that he read the Bible, not the Jewish Scriptures, only some of which were included in the Bible.



No, it isn't. Jewish people refer to their various texts by their own names, the one most often discussed being the Torah. I highly doubt you will find many Jews who refer to any of their various Scriptures as "The Bible". The Jewish scriptures do include much of what is found in the OT of the Bible, as well as quite a few other writings.

"The Bible" is not a name for any holy book, any more than "The Holy Qu'ran" is a name for any holy book.



Indeed. And it was uncommon (if it happened at all) for the particular books chosen to be part of the Old Testament to be considered (a) a single collection of Scripture or (b) the only Scripture.



Highly unlikely, considering that the word has been used for the Chrisitan canon, and not for the Scriptures of other religions. Not to mention that Christ, as a rabbi, most likely revered quite a bit of Scripture that was not included in the OT. This is like saying that Muhammed or any given Muslim would call the Qu'ran "the bible." Have you seen that happen much?

Before we get into an argument, let's remember the source of the contention. A lot of the things on that list were so obviously contrived.

No, it isn't. Jewish people refer to their various texts by their own names, the one most often discussed being the Torah. I highly doubt you will find many Jews who refer to any of their various Scriptures as "The Bible". The Jewish scriptures do include much of what is found in the OT of the Bible, as well as quite a few other writings.

Actually the problem is "the torah" is not a singular text. It is, in fact, 5. Bereshit, Shemot, Vayikra, Bamidbar and Devarim, refered to generally as Genesis, Exodus Leviticus Deuteronomy and Numbers.

Collectivly these 5 seperate text are refered to as "the torah". In addition to the Torah there is also Neviim and Ketuvim, The Prophets and The Writings. The Prophets itself is broken into several chapters each dealing with a various prophet, as well as sections detailing the "minor prophets". The Writings contain the psalms, the proverbs, and Eyov, the book of Job, as well as the book of Daniel, and the Megilot, which is itself broken down into seperate sections including the Song of Songs, the book of Ruth, and others..

The 7 of them collectivly, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Numbers (which make up the Torah), the Prophets and the Writings are, collectivly refered to as the Tanakh.

And what does "tanakh" mean in hebrew? You guessed it, bible.

2. Muhammad was and idolater. (Sahih Bukhari vol.6, p. 452)
3. Muhammad was illiterate. (Qur'an 7:156)
So is the author apparently.

You know, this little despriction makes Mohammed (peace and blessings be upon him) look alot cooler that the Jee-man.

I'm not Muslim btw...

So is the author apparently.

Oh, the irony!

apparently virgins are not normal.

http://cyber-church.com/shortseries/jesusormuhammad.htm

got this link emailed to me for other reasons, but I just couldn't get past the comparison of virgin to 'normal woman'

what's up with that?

totally laughing over here.Well, technically speaking, virgins that give birth are not normal. I do find it interesting though that they believe that a "too good to be true" compared to someone who is not too good to be true is a very convincing argument in favor of the former.

Before we get into an argument, let's remember the source of the contention. A lot of the things on that list were so obviously contrived.

Indeed, which makes it even more obvious that the description of Jesus reading the "Bible" was meant to imply that he was a good little Christian who always read his Bible.

my post was a little convoluted so lemme elaborate.

The Torah is not "a text" as you say. In fact it's a collection. An anthology if you would. It is the collection of the 5 books of Moses. In addition to the Torah there's the Nevi'im (Prophets) and Ketuvim (Writings).

Tanakh is itself an acryonym for the three collections. TNK, tanakh. Over time in the development of the language, Tanakh itself can now be loosly translated as "bible". While a jew would likely not use the words "bible", and certainly not "old testament", he would use the word Tanakh, which has come to mean basically the hebrew word for bible.

Indeed, which makes it even more obvious that the description of Jesus reading the "Bible" was meant to imply that he was a good little Christian who always read his Bible.

I can hear it now:

Mary: Jesus!

JC: What, Ma?

Mary: Go help your father in the shop!

JC: I'm reading the Bible, Ma, and technically ...

Mary: Don't start that with me again! Now get your ass out there and help him!

Well, technically speaking, virgins that give birth are not normal. I do find it interesting though that they believe that a "too good to be true" compared to someone who is not too good to be true is a very convincing argument in favor of the former.

If this person is a Christian, he most likely believes that Jesus Christ was actually God. Why on Earth would you make a comparison of a mortal man to God and consider anything accomplished?

It would be like making a bulleted list of the differences between Moses and God, or any other man and God, for that matter. We get it! Human beings have flaws and make mistakes and are sometimes illiterate! Is that really news?

If this person is a Christian, he most likely believes that Jesus Christ was actually God. Why on Earth would you make a comparison of a mortal man to God and consider anything accomplished?

It would be like making a bulleted list of the differences between Moses and God, or any other man and God, for that matter. We get it! Human beings have flaws and make mistakes and are sometimes illiterate! Is that really news?

I think it is because many people are under the very misguided perception that Muslims worship Mohammed in the same way christians worship jesus, and thus try to play the "my savior is better than yours" without realizing that to a muslim, Mohammed was never a savior. In fact, to a devout muslim, the idea that he would "worship" Mohammed is downright insulting.

Thus they don't realize that they are, as you say, comparing their version of god to a muslim prophet, which is as unfair a matchup as Bee Arthur in a prize fight against Mike Tyson.

Mohammed could be more aptly compared to Moses than Jesus, in that he was an important, divinly guided, yet quite human religious figure.

the comparison was poorly worded.

jesus was miraculously conceived and born of a virgin mother. mohammed came into the world the usual way.

after all, mary was as normal a woman as mohammeds mother was. the only difference was the circumstance of conception.

while virgins are normal, they are not average. the average woman is not a virgin. after all, we spend many more years after our first sexual experience than we spend before it.

apparently virgins are not normal.

http://cyber-church.com/shortseries/jesusormuhammad.htm

got this link emailed to me for other reasons, but I just couldn't get past the comparison of virgin to 'normal woman'

what's up with that?

totally laughing over here.

Wow... whoever typed this page up is an idiot.

But virgins ain't normal, eh?

WHOO HOO!!!! *proud of not being normal* :D

Thus they don't realize that they are, as you say, comparing their version of god to a muslim prophet, which is as unfair a matchup as Bee Arthur in a prize fight against Mike Tyson.

I just had to quote this because I think it is one of the most awesome analogies I've ever heard. =)


But, yeah, the ignorance in the discussion is what bothers me. It's one thing to point out why you do not agree with the religion of another, but don't do it out of ignorance. Learn about that religion first and then, if you still disagree with it, you can make all the bulleted lists you like. =)

the comparison was poorly worded.

jesus was miraculously conceived and born of a virgin mother. mohammed came into the world the usual way.

after all, mary was as normal a woman as mohammeds mother was. the only difference was the circumstance of conception.

while virgins are normal, they are not average. the average woman is not a virgin. after all, we spend many more years after our first sexual experience than we spend before it.

So I am normal then? :(

Then again, I'm not exactly a woman yet.... :p

So I am normal then? :(

Then again, I'm not exactly a woman yet.... :p

yes you are normal

but you certainly arent average

as to being a woman, that depends on what definition of womanhood you are using now doesnt it?

So I am normal then? :(

Then again, I'm not exactly a woman yet.... :p

yes you are normal

but you certainly arent average

as to being a woman, that depends on what definition of womanhood you are using now doesnt it?

Above average and didn't you get your Women's Club membership card? Tsk, you just can't get good help these days.

yes you are normal

but you certainly arent average

as to being a woman, that depends on what definition of womanhood you are using now doesnt it?

Considering that I'm 14, I don't think I'm a woman, but not exactly a girl either. I'm stuck in some limbo gray-area. :(

Hmmmmm.... I know I'm not average, most of the girls in my class have already done something sexual, I haven't even made out with somebody. Wish all the abstinence teachers would quit assuming that all of us are virgins and will be at 25 when we get married. :mad:

Above average and didn't you get your Women's Club membership card? Tsk, you just can't get good help these days.

Above average? Me? I ain't even regular.... :confused:

Considering that I'm 14, I don't think I'm a woman, but not exactly a girl either. I'm stuck in some limbo gray-area. :(

Hmmmmm.... I know I'm not average, most of the girls in my class have already done something sexual, I haven't even made out with somebody. Wish all the abstinence teachers would quit assuming that all of us are virgins and will be at 25 when we get married. :mad:

I think that gray area is called "Teenager."

While sex is fun, Pancake, at 14 it can be waited for. No sense in doing something you don't want to do. But you know this. And the teachers are required to assume that, it's right there in the guide for teaching abstinence only. You do live in North Carolina, as if I need to remind you. ;)

Considering that I'm 14, I don't think I'm a woman, but not exactly a girl either. I'm stuck in some limbo gray-area. :(

Hmmmmm.... I know I'm not average, most of the girls in my class have already done something sexual, I haven't even made out with somebody. Wish all the abstinence teachers would quit assuming that all of us are virgins and will be at 25 when we get married. :mad:

i have never seen the sense of making out just so you can say youve done it, or of losing your virginity just to get it out of the way (yes ive known women who have done that. *shudder*)

its not so much that you should wait as that you should wait until you are with someone you are interested in a relationship with. your body shouldnt be available for the sexual gratification of others. the person you are with should be important to you.

my son had abstinence education in jr year highschool. what a stupid waste of time that was. this is a small town, many of the students were already parents. by the time you are 16 or 17 you have pretty much already decided where you stand on the whole virginity issue no matter if you are still a virgin or not.

Considering that I'm 14, I don't think I'm a woman, but not exactly a girl either. I'm stuck in some limbo gray-area. :(

Hmmmmm.... I know I'm not average, most of the girls in my class have already done something sexual, I haven't even made out with somebody. Wish all the abstinence teachers would quit assuming that all of us are virgins and will be at 25 when we get married. :mad:

You are a young lady.

You are intelligent and independent and you do things your own way, it's not important to "keep up with" your peers because in the ways that count you surpass them.

I think that gray area is called "Teenager."

While sex is fun, Pancake, at 14 it can be waited for. No sense in doing something you don't want to do. But you know this. And the teachers are required to assume that, it's right there in the guide for teaching abstinence only. You do live in North Carolina, as if I need to remind you. ;)

Yes, North Carolina of course, where the students know more about sex than the sex ed teachers, who seem to believe that condoms only prevent 1 out 6 HIV cases and 1 out of 5 pregnancies, that all middle school boys are pressuring girls into sex, and that most cases of teenage sex are cases of rape.

:rolleyes: Yes, they actually teach us that. They really, really do. I'm sending a letter to the NC Public Schools to ask what they hell they think they're doing.

:(

You are a young lady.

You are intelligent and independent and you do things your own way, it's not important to "keep up with" your peers because in the ways that count you surpass them.

True. I don't plan to "surpass" anyone, and I don't want sex at 14. I just hate feeling like I'm still a little kid.

True. I don't plan to "surpass" anyone, and I don't want sex at 14. I just hate feeling like I'm still a little kid.

Maturity does not come with having sex.

Rather maturity comes with the realization that maturity does not come with having sex.

True. I don't plan to "surpass" anyone, and I don't want sex at 14. I just hate feeling like I'm still a little kid.

you are not a kid, you are a young lady, it's what's in between being a kid and being a woman.

;)

I feel special. I'm a virgin woman. Does that make me un-normal....

Wait, that means I'm weird, doesn't it?

Maturity does not come with having sex.

Rather maturity comes with the realization that maturity does not come with having sex.

I knew that already. It's just that hearing 9 other people constantly talking abotu sex makes me feel... inexperienced. I don't plan to have sex though until I can sort out through all the BS, and after that find the right person.

you are not a kid, you are a young lady, it's what's in between being a kid and being a woman.

;)

:)

you are not a kid, you are a young lady, it's what's in between being a kid and being a woman.

;)

And anyway, Pancake, we've seen you handle yourself around NSG. You ain't no kid. :D

I feel special. I'm a virgin woman. Does that make me un-normal....

Wait, that means I'm weird, doesn't it?

only if youre a mother.

how old are you?

And anyway, Pancake, we've seen you handle yourself around NSG. You ain't no kid. :D

I've had a lot of experience on the internet. It was one of the four things I had in middle school. :)

only if youre a mother.

how old are you?

20.... I just keep my legs closed. ;)

No, not a mother. (Thank God)

20.... I just keep my legs closed. ;)

No, not a mother. (Thank God)

i had a 20 year old virgin roommate in college. she was dating a much older doctor. one evening he suggested to her than in his medical opinion a woman NEEDS to lose her virginity by the time she is 21 or ... well i dont remember what lame outcome he suggested but we all laughed a long time after she told us about it.

not really a good way to get a woman into bed.

i had a 20 year old virgin roommate in college. she was dating a much older doctor. one evening he suggested to her than in his medical opinion a woman NEEDS to lose her virginity by the time she is 21 or ... well i dont remember what lame outcome he suggested but we all laughed a long time after she told us about it.

not really a good way to get a woman into bed.

Or she'll get vaginal cancer? :rolleyes:

Seriously, you should attend an anti-sex ed class. You'll hear stuff that's 3021743284732874328974324732847328473284732847328743278432847394732 times dumber.

And that, my friends, is pretty damn dumb right there. :(

i had a 20 year old virgin roommate in college. she was dating a much older doctor. one evening he suggested to her than in his medical opinion a woman NEEDS to lose her virginity by the time she is 21 or ... well i dont remember what lame outcome he suggested but we all laughed a long time after she told us about it.

not really a good way to get a woman into bed.

:D I bet he thought it sounded good, though? That's the more mature version of the teenage boy's "But it's really bad for me when my balls get so congested, I could become sterile!"

:D I bet he thought it sounded good, though? That's the more mature version of the teenage boy's "But it's really bad for me when my balls get so congested, I could become sterile!"

:D

:D I bet he thought it sounded good, though? That's the more mature version of the teenage boy's "But it's really bad for me when my balls get so congested, I could become sterile!"

That's not funny. I didn't jerk off once, and my left nut exploded.

That's not funny. I didn't jerk off once, and my left nut exploded.

Riiiiiiiiiight. :rolleyes:

Riiiiiiiiiight. :rolleyes:

The shrapnel put out someone's eye at 50 yards.

I bet that was an awkward visit to the hospital.
"Would you mind explaining how, exactly, shards of testicle got into your son's eye in the first place?"

:D I bet he thought it sounded good, though? That's the more mature version of the teenage boy's "But it's really bad for me when my balls get so congested, I could become sterile!"

oh it was all about HER. he was such a kind soul that he was willing to inject her with the necessary manjuice that would keep her from a horrible virginal fate. a true humanitarian. he should have recieved a nobel prize or something.

The shrapnel put out someone's eye at 50 yards.

I bet that was an awkward visit to the hospital.
"Would you mind explaining how, exactly, shards of testicle got into your son's eye in the first place?"

:D

I noticed this:
8. Jesus healed withered hands. (Matthew 12:10-13)
Buh? What does this actually mean? Is this just a two-thousand year old instance of divine cosmetic surgery?

I knew that already. It's just that hearing 9 other people constantly talking abotu sex makes me feel... inexperienced. I don't plan to have sex though until I can sort out through all the BS, and after that find the right person.
Sadly, becoming sexually active doesn't magically grant you experiance in the rest of life any more than turning 18 or 21 gives you all the wisdom and experiance of being an adult. ;)

I noticed this:

Buh? What does this actually mean? Is this just a two-thousand year old instance of divine cosmetic surgery?

Yep.

oh it was all about HER. he was such a kind soul that he was willing to inject her with the necessary manjuice that would keep her from a horrible virginal fate. a true humanitarian. he should have recieved a nobel prize or something.

I'm leaning more toward the "something." :p

I noticed this:

Buh? What does this actually mean? Is this just a two-thousand year old instance of divine cosmetic surgery?

No. He just carried around a bottle of lotion. He lived in a sandy place, and the son of God deserved smooth skin, without that ashy feel...

Sadly, becoming sexually active doesn't magically grant you experiance in the rest of life any more than turning 18 or 21 gives you all the wisdom and experiance of being an adult. ;)

I knew that too. :(

I'm leaning more toward the "something." :p

A kick in the balls?

oh it was all about HER. he was such a kind soul that he was willing to inject her with the necessary manjuice that would keep her from a horrible virginal fate. a true humanitarian. he should have recieved a nobel prize or something.
I'd give him a A for creativity, but... really now.

I'm leaning more toward the "something." :p

Would that "something" happen to be sex?

I knew that too. :(
Then why feel left out or inexperianced?

I'd give him a A for creativity, but... really now.

At least he didn't say that condoms only prevented one out of 6 cases of HIV, 1 out of 5 cases of pregnancy, that middle school boys were ready for sex and pressured girls into it, that all teens lose their virginity under pressure from boyfriends/girlfriends/others or the influence of drugs, and that if a friend is sexually active then you mustn't be friends with them. :headbang:

Then why feel left out or inexperianced?

Because it seems as though everybody's moving on to certain things and it seems like the norm now. :( I know it isn't but meh... still feel behind... :(

Would that "something" happen to be sex?

Not necessarily. But sadly, this guy probably did quite well, being a doctor and all.

At least he didn't say that condoms only prevented one out of 6 cases of HIV, 1 out of 5 cases of pregnancy, that middle school boys were ready for sex and pressured girls into it, that all teens lose their virginity under pressure from boyfriends/girlfriends/others or the influence of drugs, and that if a friend is sexually active then you mustn't be friends with them. :headbang:

...who did say that?

If that was your health class, well, that makes my school look good. *shudder*

...who did say that?

If that was your health class, well, that makes my school look good. *shudder*

It was the anti-sex ed teachers/videos in middle school. :( And my health textbooks.

At least he didn't say that condoms only prevented one out of 6 cases of HIV, 1 out of 5 cases of pregnancy, that middle school boys were ready for sex and pressured girls into it, that all teens lose their virginity under pressure from boyfriends/girlfriends/others or the influence of drugs, and that if a friend is sexually active then you mustn't be friends with them. :headbang:
Ah, the joys of sex ed in the abstinence era. Just let it go, these curricula are so perscribed that a teacher cannot scratch his or her nose unless it's written in the lesson plan.

I knew that too. :(

i dont know who your 14 year old friends are sexually active with but 14 year old boys are pretty much universally terrible lovers. they might be getting experience but are they enjoying it?

older guys (18+) are a better bet but then you have to wonder why they feel the need to date much younger girls. good lovers but terrible boyfriends.

youll have a better quality of experience if you wait until you are older (so the guys your own age are worth losing your virginity with) or until you are in a steady relationship with a great guy (so that you can experiment with him until you both get good at it)

Because it seems as though everybody's moving on to certain things and it seems like the norm now. :( I know it isn't but meh... still feel behind... :(
I know it's hard at times, I felt the same way, but honestly, it really isn't that important.

It should also be noted that many people lie. ;)

Ah, the joys of sex ed in the abstinence era. Just let it go, these curricula are so perscribed that a teacher cannot scratch his or her nose unless it's written in the lesson plan.

Errrrr...... I kind of can't let it go. The state of North Carolina says that this BS is the only thing that can be taught. North Carolina is BSing a whole bunch of people and that's really dangerous.

I'm writing a letter to somebody in the school system to ask what they think they're doing.

Errrrr...... I kind of can't let it go. The state of North Carolina says that this BS is the only thing that can be taught. North Carolina is BSing a whole bunch of people and that's really dangerous.

I'm writing a letter to somebody in the school system to ask what they think they're doing.

We'll be interested in the response you get, if any.

When a Christian says from the heart, "To live is Christ and to die is gain," he is free to love no matter what.

To live is Christ? Oh no, I'm Christing!

I'm sure this bit makes sense, but could someone explain it to me?

We'll be interested in the response you get, if any.

It better change something. I'm going to be pissed if nothing happens.

If I get some BS reply such as "abstinence is the only way" or whatever then I'm calling a huge effing media blitz.

i dont know who your 14 year old friends are sexually active with but 14 year old boys are pretty much universally terrible lovers. they might be getting experience but are they enjoying it?
Yeah... but there are some really cute 14-year-old boys...
And it's better for bis/gays, because, really, how much can you fuck up being blown?

older guys (18+) are a better bet but then you have to wonder why they feel the need to date much younger girls. good lovers but terrible boyfriends.
Not necessarily true. I know a couple who are about... 8 years apart, I think. The guy is 23, the girl is currently 18, but they've been going out for about 3 years. And they have a really good relationship.

youll have a better quality of experience if you wait until you are older (so the guys your own age are worth losing your virginity with) or until you are in a steady relationship with a great guy (so that you can experiment with him until you both get good at it)
QFT.
Errrrr...... I kind of can't let it go. The state of North Carolina says that this BS is the only thing that can be taught. North Carolina is BSing a whole bunch of people and that's really dangerous.

I'm writing a letter to somebody in the school system to ask what they think they're doing.

Prepare to be burned at the stake.

At least he didn't say that condoms only prevented one out of 6 cases of HIV, 1 out of 5 cases of pregnancy, that middle school boys were ready for sex and pressured girls into it, that all teens lose their virginity under pressure from boyfriends/girlfriends/others or the influence of drugs, and that if a friend is sexually active then you mustn't be friends with them. :headbang:

did you get anything useful out of that class? its as if adults dont even remember being teenagers. they think that if they lie, exaggerate, threaten, whatever, teens wont notice. the truth gets discounted because everything else in the class is a lie.

its a shame that sex-ed cant include frank discussions of the realities of sex and the decisions involved in "doing it" or in remaining a virgin. at least an acknowlegement that losing your virginity doesnt make you a slut. that you still have to make a decision the next time you are offered sex and what good criteria might be for that.

Errrrr...... I kind of can't let it go. The state of North Carolina says that this BS is the only thing that can be taught. North Carolina is BSing a whole bunch of people and that's really dangerous.

I'm writing a letter to somebody in the school system to ask what they think they're doing.
Oh I didn't say that you should ignore it, just that getting upset won't help you reach your goal of changing it.

did you get anything useful out of that class? its as if adults dont even remember being teenagers. they think that if they lie, exaggerate, threaten, whatever, teens wont notice. the truth gets discounted because everything else in the class is a lie.

its a shame that sex-ed cant include frank discussions of the realities of sex and the decisions involved in "doing it" or in remaining a virgin. at least an acknowlegement that losing your virginity doesnt make you a slut. that you still have to make a decision the next time you are offered sex and what good criteria might be for that.

I didn't get anything useful, though I did learn more about STDs. Didn't learn anything else.

I got my sex education from PlannedParenthood.org.

did you get anything useful out of that class? its as if adults dont even remember being teenagers. they think that if they lie, exaggerate, threaten, whatever, teens wont notice. the truth gets discounted because everything else in the class is a lie.

its a shame that sex-ed cant include frank discussions of the realities of sex and the decisions involved in "doing it" or in remaining a virgin. at least an acknowlegement that losing your virginity doesnt make you a slut. that you still have to make a decision the next time you are offered sex and what good criteria might be for that.

Amen. Back in the Pleistocene, when I had sex ed, we got information on the reproductive systems and such, I honestly can't recall being taught the mechanics of the Act, though. Nothing about condoms or diseases, per se, and this was before AIDS made its appearance. We did learn lots of euphemisms for menstruation, though. I've always liked "a visit from my red-headed friend."

its a shame that sex-ed cant include frank discussions of the realities of sex and the decisions involved in "doing it" or in remaining a virgin. at least an acknowlegement that losing your virginity doesnt make you a slut. that you still have to make a decision the next time you are offered sex and what good criteria might be for that.
That's what my class was in high school. Of course it also used a very good scare tatic, namely showing a pregnant woman giving birth from the doctor's point-of-view. Most of the girls in my class imediately swore they would NEVER have sex, or at least unprotected sex after seeing that. :p

Amen. Back in the Pleistocene, when I had sex ed, we got information on the reproductive systems and such, I honestly can't recall being taught the mechanics of the Act, though. Nothing about condoms or diseases, per se, and this was before AIDS made its appearance. We did learn lots of euphemisms for menstruation, though. I've always liked "a visit from my red-headed friend."

In my class we didn't learn any euphemisms for menstruation. They didn't teach us anything about our bodies except for the vagina, cervix, uterus, Fallopian tubes, and ovaries. Nothing about the outside at all, not even a mention of the hymen.

Yeah... but there are some really cute 14-year-old boys...
And it's better for bis/gays, because, really, how much can you fuck up being blown?

its a shame that cute means nothing "in bed".

im pretty sure you can fuck up a blow job. its probably best not to think of the ways.


Not necessarily true. I know a couple who are about... 8 years apart, I think. The guy is 23, the girl is currently 18, but they've been going out for about 3 years. And they have a really good relationship.


true but the bigger the age gap and the younger the younger member, the bigger the chance that the older member is just out for sex and control.

In my class we didn't learn any euphemisms for menstruation. They didn't teach us anything about our bodies except for the vagina, cervix, uterus, Fallopian tubes, and ovaries. Nothing about the outside at all, not even a mention of the hymen.
*Winces* Some girls are in for a very painful surprise then.

In my class we didn't learn any euphemisms for menstruation. They didn't teach us anything about our bodies except for the vagina, cervix, uterus, Fallopian tubes, and ovaries. Nothing about the outside at all, not even a mention of the hymen.

Goodness! And this is why we have teen pregnancies ("It'll be okay, honey, I'll pull out."). :rolleyes:

true but the bigger the age gap and the younger the younger member, the bigger the chance that the older member is just out for sex and control.
Hmm... well... I can see the control part, but I thought that was more due to my wife's culture and being stuborn than her being 8 years older than me. :D

*Winces* Some girls are in for a very painful surprise then.

Indeed.

I learned about the labia, clitoris, and hymen in fifth grade... on the internet. I learned about condoms in sixth grade on Degrassi (and later the internet, because I didn't get much information from Degrassi).

Goodness! And this is why we have teen pregnancies ("It'll be okay, honey, I'll pull out."). :rolleyes:

One class also said that dating started when teens gained access to cars. My dad laughed at this.

Hmm... well... I can see the control part, but I thought that was more due to my wife's culture and being stuborn than her being 8 years older than me. :D

ohmy did she pick you out when you were 15 and train you to be a good boyfriend/husband?

ohmy did she pick you out when you were 15 and train you to be a good boyfriend/husband?
Nope, she grabbed me when I was 24 and is bound and determined to un-geek me. She already thinks I'm a good husband, it's the requesting a lightsaber for Christmas she's annoyed with. ;)

Nope, she grabbed me when I was 24 and is bound and determined to un-geek me. She already thinks I'm a good husband, it's the requesting a lightsaber for Christmas she's annoyed with. ;)

:D Ah, a Beauty and the Geek type thing, is it? :D

hey, 2000 posts! WHOO HOO!

:D Ah, a Beauty and the Geek type thing, is it? :D

hey, 2000 posts! WHOO HOO!

*hugs* Congrats, Pancake!

:D Ah, a Beauty and the Geek type thing, is it? :D

hey, 2000 posts! WHOO HOO!

*hugs* Congrats, Pancake!

:D

:D Ah, a Beauty and the Geek type thing, is it? :D
Pretty much. I'm no longer allowed to buy my own clothes in case I go back to all black. ;)

hey, 2000 posts! WHOO HOO!
Congratulations.

:D Ah, a Beauty and the Geek type thing, is it? :D

hey, 2000 posts! WHOO HOO!
*grudging congratulations*

*mutters and tries to post faster*

*grudging congratulations*

*mutters and tries to post faster*

*laughs at you*