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A poll of the most hyped up threats. Chose the one you think is most hyped up.

A poll of the most hyped up threats. Chose the one you think is most hyped up.

mmmmm

choices........

2nd from the bottom.

2nd from the bottom.

pffff:rolleyes:

racist

Peanut brittle.

Terrorism. Wheeeey!

Clearly the threat of phantom polls is the most over-hyped.

pffff:rolleyes:

racist

I'm fascist, actually. ;)

Myrth.

'If your not home by 11:00 you're grounded'

Pffft yeah right!

NSG Office Party . . . oh, I thought it said thread :eek:

Clearly the threat of phantom polls is the most over-hyped.

LOL

Free radicals. It's OK to drink tea.

A poll of the most hyped up threats. Chose the one you think is most hyped up.

I see no poll.

I see no poll.

Ah, but does that mean it does not exist?

Thaaaaat one.

Ah, but does that mean it does not exist?

Yes.

Yes.

Wrong answer! If something does not exist simply because you don't see it, then going blind would amount to the world ceasing to exist. Since the world exists and there are blind people, this isn't so and thus the premise is false.

Wrong answer! If something does not exist simply because you don't see it, then going blind would amount to the world ceasing to exist. Since the world exists and there are blind people, this isn't so and thus the premise is false.

Except I'm not blind. :cool:

Wrong answer! If something does not exist simply because you don't see it, then going blind would amount to the world ceasing to exist. Since the world exists and there are blind people, this isn't so and thus the premise is false.

How do you know they are truly blind? How do you know the world exists for them?

Ok. I think its safe to say that there isn't gunna be a poll on here, therefore this thread it moot. :)

Ok. I think its safe to say that there isn't gunna be a poll on here, therefore this thread it moot. :)

It was probably gonna be stupid anyways, with options like "Terrorists" "SARS" "Bird Flu"...

Ok. I think its safe to say that there isn't gunna be a poll on here, therefore this thread it moot. :)

Given that NSG has the political clout of a wet kitten, aren't all threads moot?

Except I'm not blind. :cool:

So? You don't have to be. You are not seeing something, and by that reasoning assuming that thing does not exist. I have shown that this reasoning is false and thus your assumption is based more on faith. One could say you now have a religion whereby you have faith in the non-existence of the poll. :)

How do you know they are truly blind?

They seem to say so, and act so, and would have no reason to lie.

How do you know the world exists for them?

Well, find me a blind man that asserts that the world doesn't exist.

This one is! :D

So? You don't have to be. You are not seeing something, and by that reasoning assuming that thing does not exist. I have shown that this reasoning is false and thus your assumption is based more on faith. One could say you now have a religion whereby you have faith in the non-existence of the poll. :)

No, you've shown that when other people can't see things, they still exists. I said, and I quote, "I see no poll."

They seem to say so, and act so, and would have no reason to lie.

Surely you could imagine the benefits?

No, you've shown that when other people can't see things, they still exists. I said, and I quote, "I see no poll."


You are other people to everyone else.

Surely you could imagine the benefits?

Getting hit by cars?

So? You don't have to be. You are not seeing something, and by that reasoning assuming that thing does not exist. I have shown that this reasoning is false and thus your assumption is based more on faith. One could say you now have a religion whereby you have faith in the non-existence of the poll. :)



They seem to say so, and act so, and would have no reason to lie.



Well, find me a blind man that asserts that the world doesn't exist.

So, because you can't see a blind man who claims the world doesn't exist, means he doesn't exist?

You are other people to everyone else.



Getting hit by cars?

Who said "other people" are like me?

"Accidentally" wandering into the wrong dressing room?

So, because you can't see a blind man who claims the world doesn't exist, means he doesn't exist?

He might exist, but since he's so far hypothetical I don't see how his equally hypothetical assertations are relevant.

I would further suggest that if he truly believed the world did not exist just because he couldn't see it, this would be symptomatic of some kind of mental disorder.

You are other people to everyone else.

Yeah, but I'm not talking about everyone else. I'm talking about me, and I see no poll.

Getting hit by cars?

No, the benefit of pretending to be blind.

He might exist, but since he's so far hypothetical I don't see how his equally hypothetical assertations are relevant.

I would further suggest that if he truly believed the world did not exist just because he couldn't see it, this would be symptomatic of some kind of mental disorder.

So might the hypothetical poll (sorry, I thought it was obvious that I had just used your own argument against you, and that I had therefore won :eek: )

Who said "other people" are like me?

Can you prove how you are fundamentally different from every other organism such that nothing exists except for you?

In other words, you'd have to be God. And you aren't.

"Accidentally" wandering into the wrong dressing room?

That seems like a paltry pay-off for faking life as a disabled man.

And my grandfather was blind. I take offense to you suggesting that he wasn't really blind, that maybe he was lying.

Yeah, but I'm not talking about everyone else. I'm talking about me, and I see no poll.

Yeah. You don't see it. But it exists.

It's similar to how you don't see your heart, but it exists.

No, the benefit of pretending to be blind.

What benefit is this again?

So might the hypothetical poll (sorry, I thought it was obvious that I had just used your own argument against you, and that I had therefore won

Won what?

Yes, the hypothetical poll might exist. All I am saying is one man's lack of visual confirmation is not proof that it does not exist. An argument so rational, only on NSG could someone argue against it. ;)

Can you prove how you are fundamentally different from every other organism such that nothing exists except for you?

In other words, you'd have to be God. And you aren't.



That seems like a paltry pay-off for faking life as a disabled man.

And my grandfather was blind. I take offense to you suggesting that he wasn't really blind, that maybe he was lying.

To me, at least, it seems more relevant to ask you to prove anything else (including God . . . and how do you know I'm not?) exists. Besides, I already won this argument, you just haven't admitted it yet ;)

Oh, and I am not surprised you take offense, tho none was intended. Just another skirt around losing the argument, imo.

Yeah. You don't see it. But it exists.

It's similar to how you don't see your heart, but it exists.



What benefit is this again?



Won what?

Yes, the hypothetical poll might exist. All I am saying is one man's lack of visual confirmation is not proof that it does not exist. An argument so rational, only on NSG could someone argue against it. ;)

Yet, you used the same argument re: the blind man for whom the world does not exist. Ipso facto.

And my grandfather was blind. I take offense to you suggesting that he wasn't really blind, that maybe he was lying.

Maybe you're just a figment of his imagination.

Yeah. You don't see it. But it exists.

It's similar to how you don't see your heart, but it exists.

Actually, I had this thing once...I think they called it an EKG....echocardiogram, something like that?

The idea that all Muslims are terrorists.

is this poll secret ballot? cuz I can't see it.

is this poll secret ballot? cuz I can't see it.

Precisely.

is this poll secret ballot? cuz I can't see it.

We have already established that the poll cannot be seen. We are now debating whether or not it exists. What a waste, huh? LOL

We have already established that the poll cannot be seen. We are now debating whether or not it exists. What a waste, huh? LOL

oh well, I have better things to do.

*does "better things"*

Yet, you used the same argument re: the blind man for whom the world does not exist. Ipso facto.

No, that's a different argument.

Posit One: The poll doesn't exist, because I don't see it. (Dinaverg's Theory of Self-Importance.)

Counter-argument: Sight alone doesn't guarantee existence, because a blind man knows the world exists even though he can't see it.

Your hypothesis that there might be a blind man who doesn't know the world exists is irrelevant since all it takes is one blind man who knows it does to show that visual confirmation is not required to know something exists.

To me, at least, it seems more relevant to ask you to prove anything else (including God . . . and how do you know I'm not?) exists.

Why would that be relevant?

Besides, I already won this argument, you just haven't admitted it yet

Oh, and I am not surprised you take offense, tho none was intended. Just another skirt around losing the argument, imo.

Seeing may be believing, but seeing is not the guaranteeor of universal existence. Your opinion that you won is not a valid disproof of this statement.

Maybe you're just a figment of his imagination.

Unlikely, as he's dead.

Actually, I had this thing once...I think they called it an EKG....echocardiogram, something like that?

Yeah? So you looked, and you saw your own heart? Ha ha, no, you only saw a paper readout of some squiggly lines.

No, that's a different argument.

Posit One: The poll doesn't exist, because I don't see it. (Dinaverg's Theory of Self-Importance.)

Counter-argument: Sight alone doesn't guarantee existence, because a blind man knows the world exists even though he can't see it.

Counter-counter. "a blind man" is not Dinaverg.

Yeah? So you looked, and you saw your own heart? Ha ha, no, you only saw a paper readout of some squiggly lines.
Nah, it was one of those ultra-sonic things.

No, that's a different argument.

Posit One: The poll doesn't exist, because I don't see it. (Dinaverg's Theory of Self-Importance.)

Counter-argument: Sight alone doesn't guarantee existence, because a blind man knows the world exists even though he can't see it.

Why would that be relevant?


Your courter-argument is poorly stated. "Sight alone doesn't guarantee existance" is not what Dinaverg was claiming.

And I said relevant "to me." Existensialism 4tehwin :p

Is it perhaps a poll in the sense of the OP merely asking us for our ideas of over-hyped threats and taking note of what we say, rather than locking the thread into a set of only eight choices, as per the usual poll?

Just a thought.

Counter-counter. "a blind man" is not Dinaverg.


True enough, perhaps you have some fundamental difference that separates you from all blind people other than the fact that you have sight and they do not.

So if you smell smoke, but do not see it, do you believe there is no smoke?

Nah, it was one of those ultra-sonic things.

A computer-generated image. Easily faked. You can imagine the benefits of faking them, too - the doctors and government can charge you extra for having it done!

Your courter-argument is poorly stated. "Sight alone doesn't guarantee existance" is not what Dinaverg was claiming.

Dinaverg was saying that something does not exist on the basis that Dinaverg cannot see it. It follows from such reasoning that sight is the guaranteeor of existence.

Remember the wisdom of Donnie Rumsfeld: "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."





That quote STILL makes my brain hurt.

You are other people to everyone else.
That assumes that other people exist, and that the entire world (including us) isn't some product of his deranged imagination while he sits, strait-jacketed and drooling in a padded cell.
In which case, things in this world only exist so much as he imagines them to exist, and if he doesn't imagine any evidence of their existence, then they don't exist at all.

And I think the msot over-hyped threat was the threat that there would be a poll with this thread.

Dinaverg was saying that something does not exist on the basis that Dinaverg cannot see it. It follows from such reasoning that sight is the guaranteeor of existence.

The only thing that directly follows is that my sight is the "guaranteeor of existence".

True enough, perhaps you have some fundamental difference that separates you from all blind people other than the fact that you have sight and they do not.

So if you smell smoke, but do not see it, do you believe there is no smoke?

Nah. Then again, I neither saw nor smelled a poll, the fact I didn't smell it simply went without saying.

A computer-generated image. Easily faked. You can imagine the benefits of faking them, too - the doctors and government can charge you extra for having it done!


*shrug* Fair enough. However, I have felt my heart, in it's daily chore of beating.

SARS was the most over-hyped threat, didn't do shit

The only thing that directly follows is that my sight is the "guaranteeor of existence".
Dinaverg's exactly right on this one.

Greater Trostia incorrectly assumed that if the existence of a thing is contingent upon Dinaverg's being able to see it, then the existence of a thing is contingent on anyone's ability to see it, and that's a complete non sequiter.

Furthermore, later statement suggested the burden of proof lay with Dinaverg to disprove this entirely baseless assertion, but that is again untrue.

In fact, I would deem Dinaverg's statement unfalsifiable short of blinding Dinaverg.

The only thing that directly follows is that my sight is the "guaranteeor of existence".

Ah, I see. So, since you cannot see me, I do not exist?

Pah! I think, therefore I am, therefore your assertion is wrong.

Ah, I see. So, since you cannot see me, I do not exist?

Pah! I think, therefore I am, therefore your assertion is wrong.
But Dinaverg can see you.

She just doesn't right now.

But Dinaverg can see you.

She just doesn't right now.

What's with the she?

What's with the she?
I sometimes get you confused with Pancake.

I know there's no good reason for that, but the result is that you become of indeterminate gender and I have to guess.

But Dinaverg can see you.

She just doesn't right now.

Well, Dinaverg can see the poll too, just not right now. :)

I sometimes get you confused with Pancake.

I know there's no good reason for that, but the result is that you become of indeterminate gender and I have to guess.

You confuse Dinaverg with me? :p

Anyway, the 5 most hyped up threats ever would be....
5: "Be back by 9 or you're grounded"
4: "If you don't _____ you will get sent to the office" (never worked in middle school at all)
3: "Accept _____ as your one true God or go to hell"
2: "If you have sex before marriage, you will be infected with syphilis, have a brain-damaged baby, lose your boyfriend to some cheerleader, become a crack whore, and die of AIDS"
1: Terrorism.... 'nuff said.

Jews.

Well, Dinaverg can see the poll too, just not right now. :)
Things that don't exist can't exhibit the characteristic of being seeable by Dinaverg.

You confuse Dinaverg with me? :p

Anyway, the 5 most hyped up threats ever would be....
5: "Be back by 9 or you're grounded"
4: "If you don't _____ you will get sent to the office" (never worked in middle school at all)
3: "Accept _____ as your one true God or go to hell"
2: "If you have sex before marriage, you will be infected with syphilis, have a brain-damaged baby, lose your boyfriend to some cheerleader, become a crack whore, and die of AIDS"
1: Terrorism.... 'nuff said.
Wise beyond her years, that one.

Things that don't exist can't exhibit the characteristic of being seeable by Dinaverg.

True, but that doesn't mean things that are unseen by Dinaverg do not exist.

Wise beyond her years, that one.

:D

:D

Hey Pancake! Come, take a seat, grab some popcorn. This is so awesme, I'm totally the subject of a debate.

Hey Pancake! Come, take a seat, grab some popcorn. This is so awesme, I'm totally the subject of a debate.
Hey, wanna join my polygamist sect?
Cool. *grabs some popcorn*

where is the poll?

True, but that doesn't mean things that are unseen by Dinaverg do not exist.
Nor does it mean the opposite.

Remember, you're the one trying to prove something.

Muslims or immigrants.

i think Saddam Hussein threatening george bush senior with...

"The Mother Of All Battles"

...probably qualifies.

i think Saddam Hussein threatening george bush senior with...

"The Mother Of All Battles"

...probably qualifies.
No, that battle kind of reminded me of my mother. Small, inobtrusive, and mostly friendly.

Remember, you're the one trying to prove something.

Wait, what am I trying to prove again?

I can answer that pretty easily.

Muslims FNORD!, Promiscious Teens FNORD!, Marijuana FNORD!, Gays FNORD!, and Anarchists FNORD!

Cows. We eat them, not vice-versa.

Bird Flu... just don't make out with dead chickens in Korea and you'll be fine...

Wait, what am I trying to prove again?
That things can exist even when Dinaverg can't see them.

That things can exist even when Dinaverg can't see them.

I thought this was self-evident.

What I was trying to prove was that not-seeing something does not mean that something does not exist.

I thought this was self-evident.

What I was trying to prove was that not-seeing something does not mean that something does not exist.

Evolution?

No. Destiny. Yeah, destiny. That's how I got my superpowers.

teh 3bil j00Z

I thought this was self-evident.
It's an abstract philosophical discussion. Nothing's self-evident.

It's an abstract philosophical discussion. Nothing's self-evident.

or is everything?

Bird Flu... just don't make out with dead chickens in Korea and you'll be fine...

You just removed a vital process in the poultry industry, you fool!