NationStates Jolt Archive


do me a [very quick] favour??

Pure Metal
05-12-2006, 16:44
this is a very little work-related problem i have... one of my websites here works fine for me in all browsers i've tested it in (FF, IE and Opera). some people we work with are saying that the site crashes their browser and are trying to make out that its a terrible site.... i need your help!

please open the site here (http://www.farmacymru.org.uk/) and just tell me if it loads ok and whether or not it crashes your browser. help would be very much appreciated! :) (milk and cookies for all! :fluffle: )


(don't be too harsh on the site as its still a work in progress...)


this is how its supposed to look:
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/9220/farmacymru1sz8.th.jpg (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=farmacymru1sz8.jpg)

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/4333/farmacymru2ef4.th.jpg (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=farmacymru2ef4.jpg)
Hamilay
05-12-2006, 16:46
Seems fine to me. (internet explorer- oh, and Firefox is fine too)
Smunkeeville
05-12-2006, 16:46
it works in my firefox.
Andaluciae
05-12-2006, 16:46
Looks good to me...
Rhaomi
05-12-2006, 16:47
Looks fine to me -- although there is a ton of white space at the bottom.

(I've got Firefox, btw).
Call to power
05-12-2006, 16:47
works but why are you working on farmers markets in Wales?

If its any help I’m on firefox

edit: noticed if you scroll down and go back up the image changes
Nadkor
05-12-2006, 16:47
Works fine for me on Firefox/XP SP2.

Although when you mouse over on some southern counties it takes me to the page for that county without me clicking on it.
Piratica XXI
05-12-2006, 16:49
Hey, works ok for me in FF 1.5.0.8, the table elongates with a lot of empty space, but not so much that the page isn't functional

IE 7 looks wonderful
Pure Metal
05-12-2006, 16:50
Looks fine to me -- although there is a ton of white space at the bottom.


(I've got Firefox, btw).
yeah... in IE there's a clever script to lookup and resize the height of an iframe to fit the page automatically... but it doesn't work in FF or Opera (so there ends up being a ton of empty space). i'm working on getting it to but its sodding difficult :mad:
works but why are you working on farmers markets in Wales?

If its any help I’m on firefox

good :)

and work's work (i'm a graphics designer primarily, but i also design websites... this is a client. they have money. end of story :p)
Ifreann
05-12-2006, 16:51
No problems on Firefox of IE here. Pretty stylin site too.
AB Again
05-12-2006, 16:52
It works, in that it doesn't crash, but it has some serious design issues.

The mouseover pop-ups for the Northern counties are off my screen - so a waste of time and effort as I don't see them in some cases. Needs rethinking

The transition to the detail map of the South East of Wales is confusing - It should only occur on a positive action (click), not on a mouseover.

Not your fault, but the association name will be highly confusing to Portuguese and Spanish speakers who will think that it refers to pharmacies/pharmaceuticals in some way. (But I guess they are not your target market.)

EDIT

And get rid of the recommendation for IE at the bottom.
Hallucinogenic Tonic
05-12-2006, 16:53
Seems to load fine with Internet Explorer!!!
Shotagon
05-12-2006, 16:54
Firefox 1.5.0.7, works okay 'cept for the white space at the bottom. The map goes somewhere without me clicking it though. Is it supposed to be that way?
Ashmoria
05-12-2006, 16:55
worked fine for me

IE7
Pure Metal
05-12-2006, 16:57
It works, in that it doesn't crash, but it has some serious design issues.

The mouseover pop-ups for the Northern counties are off my screen - so a waste of time and effort as I don't see them in some cases. Needs rethinking

noted. shame cos i like em... maybe its a resolution thing...

The transition to the detail map of the South East of Wales is confusing - It should only occur on a positive action (click), not on a mouseover.
also noted but i was thinking about getting rid of that anyway... it is irritating (but it looks cool in IE)

Not your fault, but the association name will be highly confusing to Portuguese and Spanish speakers who will think that it refers to pharmacies/pharmaceuticals in some way. (But I guess they are not your target market.)

lol no...

thanks for having a look (goes for everyone :fluffle: )

Firefox 1.5.0.7, works okay. The map goes somewhere without me clicking it though. Is it supposed to be that way?

depends... the southern counties yes. the northern counties: no.
I V Stalin
05-12-2006, 17:01
Works ok (Firefox) - had the same problem as Nadkor, though.
AB Again
05-12-2006, 17:02
noted. shame cos i like em... maybe its a resolution thing...
I am running at 1024 x 768 - so if it is a resolution thing it is a problem.
Naturality
05-12-2006, 17:05
Firefox 1.5.0.7, works okay 'cept for the white space at the bottom. The map goes somewhere without me clicking it though. Is it supposed to be that way?

Yeah same here, when I hovered over Wales it automatically took me to Wales counties map.

Didn't crash my browser or anything tho, and I use the most recent Firefox. Screen res is on 800 600.
Pure Metal
05-12-2006, 17:05
I am running at 1024 x 768 - so if it is a resolution thing it is a problem.

certainly. i'll look into it


will also look into the map loading pages without clicking (i think that'll be the onmouseover event i'll be getting rid of anyway, or maybe change to onmouseup)
Rejistania
05-12-2006, 17:12
loads in Konqueror 3.5.1, looks okay... however, in lynx the page is unusable! Iframe and imagemap without an alternative is a bad idea, mmmmk?
UpwardThrust
05-12-2006, 17:15
Works fine in FF
Pure Metal
05-12-2006, 17:25
loads in Konqueror 3.5.1, looks okay... however, in lynx the page is unusable! Iframe and imagemap without an alternative is a bad idea, mmmmk?

lynx? :confused:

what alternative tags should i be using for that browser? (though in all this i have to bear in mind that approx 90% of the people using our sites (i have done similar sites for the same client) use IE and there's a cost/benefit arguement at stake...)
UpwardThrust
05-12-2006, 17:27
lynx? :confused:

what alternative tags should i be using for that browser? (though in all this i have to bear in mind that approx 90% of the people using our sites (i have done similar sites for the same client) use IE and there's a cost/benefit arguement at stake...)

He is joking with you lynx is a text based browser used on linux

And older and less featured version of links really (here is what general looksl ike in links)

http://geek.upwardthrust.us/pictures/general.jpg
UpwardThrust
05-12-2006, 17:32
lynx? :confused:

what alternative tags should i be using for that browser? (though in all this i have to bear in mind that approx 90% of the people using our sites (i have done similar sites for the same client) use IE and there's a cost/benefit arguement at stake...)

Here is what your page looks like in links

http://geek.upwardthrust.us/pictures/PM.jpg
Rejistania
05-12-2006, 17:33
He is joking with you lynx is a text based browser used on linux

And older and less featured version of links really (here is what general looksl ike in links)

http://geek.upwardthrust.us/pictures/general.jpg

I am not joking about requiring Lynx. If you are (nearly) blind, you need such a browser to navigate the net.
Rilascio
05-12-2006, 17:35
It works fine for me in Firefox 2, except for these things: too much white space under the map, when you hover over the collection of districts at the bottom (sorry, I don't know the name for it) it automatically takes you to the larger version and the fade doesn't work.
In IE7, the page takes slightly longer to load, but there is no white space and the fade works.
Hope this helps.
UpwardThrust
05-12-2006, 17:36
I am not joking about requiring Lynx. If you are (nearly) blind, you need such a browser to navigate the net.

Forgot about line readers and the like you are right I apologize thought you were being factious
Rejistania
05-12-2006, 17:40
Forgot about line readers and the like you are right I apologize thought you were being factious

A former friend relies on Lynx and linereader to surf the web, so no.

Edit: @Pure Metal: offer another method of navigation instead of the imagemap. A page with a list of links or so.
Pure Metal
05-12-2006, 17:40
He is joking with you lynx is a text based browser used on linux

And older and less featured version of links really (here is what general looksl ike in links)

http://geek.upwardthrust.us/pictures/general.jpg

Here is what your page looks like in links

http://geek.upwardthrust.us/pictures/PM.jpg
oh dear :(

*shrugs*

I am not joking about requiring Lynx. If you are (nearly) blind, you need such a browser to navigate the net.

windows contains many accessability options to allow viewing of websites for the visually impared.
Pure Metal
05-12-2006, 17:42
A former friend relies on Lynx and linereader to surf the web, so no.

i will bring up the issue of the site's accessability for the visually impared with my client.
Iztatepopotla
05-12-2006, 17:44
lynx? :confused:

what alternative tags should i be using for that browser? (though in all this i have to bear in mind that approx 90% of the people using our sites (i have done similar sites for the same client) use IE and there's a cost/benefit arguement at stake...)

However, you should provide an alternative for visually impaired people using helping software. It's the law now in the UK as I understand it. Perhaps a link to a text version or something like that...
Rejistania
05-12-2006, 17:45
However, you should provide an alternative for visually impaired people using helping software. It's the law now in the UK as I understand it. Perhaps a link to a text version or something like that...
An anti-flash law in .uk? :o I'd SO love that!
New Xero Seven
05-12-2006, 18:02
http://www.bmslab.com/images/up/kitty&computer.jpg

I'm on yer site! Lookin fer Welsh foodz! Nyarrrr!!!!!
Pure Metal
05-12-2006, 18:24
http://www.bmslab.com/images/up/kitty&computer.jpg

I'm on yer site! Lookin fer Welsh foodz! Nyarrrr!!!!!

err.... thank you? :p
New Xero Seven
05-12-2006, 18:25
err.... thank you? :p

Anytime buddy. :)
Imperial isa
05-12-2006, 18:28
works for me
Bogostan
05-12-2006, 18:39
Loads fine - in IE7 it just throws a series of runtime errors regarding
"Unterminated string constants"
Llewdor
05-12-2006, 18:59
That's a really cool site. I have family around Conwy and Deganwy (and Llanrwst and Llanrhaeadr), so I might actually use this site for stuff.

Thanks, PM.
Sarkhaan
05-12-2006, 19:06
Working fine (on Opera V9.02)
IL Ruffino
05-12-2006, 19:09
http://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif
Compulsive Depression
05-12-2006, 19:26
Works fine in Avant, IE 6.0.3790.1830 32-bit and 64-bit. (Why hasn't my machine auto-updated to IE7 yet? Odd...)

The mouseover in the south is annoying. There is also too much red ;)

An anti-flash law in .uk? :o I'd SO love that!
Yeah!
I hate Flash, especially when it's compulsory. Are there any websites done in Flash that couldn't be better done in plain HTML?

The internet was so much better in 1996.
New Burmesia
05-12-2006, 19:28
On my Firefox 2 it's good, but for some reason it's very long.
Pure Metal
05-12-2006, 20:34
bump (and thanks to all who have voted/replied :))
UpwardThrust
05-12-2006, 20:41
Ok tried with my laptop with FF 2.0 any time I mouse over just about any of the areas on the botom of the national map it automaticaly loads another map (no click) and it is the same map

Not sure which map it is, its the one with swansea in the upper left sticking out
Snafturi
05-12-2006, 21:41
Works fine in Opera. Is also quite snazzy.
UpwardThrust
05-12-2006, 22:27
Ok tried with my laptop with FF 2.0 any time I mouse over just about any of the areas on the botom of the national map it automaticaly loads another map (no click) and it is the same map

Not sure which map it is, its the one with swansea in the upper left sticking out

Same problem from lab machine using 1.8.0.6 (FF) that is
Rejistania
05-12-2006, 22:48
In Konqueror, this map appears when I click on such a segment of the map...
Turquoise Days
05-12-2006, 22:48
Same problem from lab machine using 1.8.0.6 (FF) that is

I'm using FF2, and when I mouse over the Welsh Valleys (the little counties at the bottom) it takes me there straight away. A prompt would be nice I think, as its pretty confusing to just be moved like that.

The Rollover text is only visible for the southern counties - in the north its off the bottom of the screen. Is there any way to tie it to the bottom of the window, not the page? Looks good though!:)
Helspotistan
05-12-2006, 23:02
I'm using FF2, and when I mouse over the Welsh Valleys (the little counties at the bottom) it takes me there straight away. A prompt would be nice I think, as its pretty confusing to just be moved like that.

The Rollover text is only visible for the southern counties - in the north its off the bottom of the screen. Is there any way to tie it to the bottom of the window, not the page? Looks good though!:)

FF2 .. yeah just mousing over the southern portion of the map triggers the new map.. its a little disconcerting. The rollover text works fine for me... but I am looking at it at 1600x1200 so maybe thats no surprise...

Does the mouseover for the map switch in IE 6 for me too...

Also there are scroll bars on the direct sales page which appart from being a little unattractive makes navigating a little difficult having to use 2 sets of vertical scroll bars. The direct sales page was also a little slow to load the first time.. considering how little there is there.

Other than that.... no crashes... certainly no major problems.
UpwardThrust
05-12-2006, 23:13
I'm using FF2, and when I mouse over the Welsh Valleys (the little counties at the bottom) it takes me there straight away. A prompt would be nice I think, as its pretty confusing to just be moved like that.

The Rollover text is only visible for the southern counties - in the north its off the bottom of the screen. Is there any way to tie it to the bottom of the window, not the page? Looks good though!:)

I am using 2 on the origional report too ... same thing, the others have a text associated with a mouseover this just takes me to a new map
Pure Metal
06-12-2006, 02:16
bump for a few more votes :)


will look at suggestions and comments tomorrow :fluffle:
Boonytopia
06-12-2006, 13:08
Works fine for me on IE 6
Whereyouthinkyougoing
06-12-2006, 13:43
Hmm, right now (well, say two minutes ago) the page took forever to load -as in, at least 30 seconds (i.e. in real life, I would have gotten impatient long before that).

But I guess that's just a momentary server problem or something, right?

Once I actually got ON the page it was displayed fine, both in Firefox and in Netscape 7.2.

What I personally don't like so much about the site is

- that it's all slightly too big for my screen (as always with your stuff! *shakes fist at your widescreen thingy* :p).

The map just about fits, but only if I scroll up a bit until the heading disappears, and all the little windows opening at the bottom are outside of my screen. Same goes for the little map of the southern counties.

- that the addresses open in their own scrollable window thingy. It's unexpected and irritating and confusing, which these scrollable windows-in-windows always are, IMHO. And you have to press the back button anyway to get back to the map, so why not make it a "real" window/page to begin with? (Okay, probably because that's a huge pain in the ass to program or something, but what do I know? :p)

- that the "Find This Market on a Map" button is too close to bottom edge of the scrollable windows-in-windows - so the white "Market Managers amend your details here" text is too close to the button and that makes the bottom look all busy and constantly made me think I had to scroll down further becasue it looked like some text and busy stuff had been cut off.


But the second and ESPECIALLY the third point are just nitpicking, really.
I like the site. And I really do like the Dragon. *pats dragon* :)
Pure Metal
06-12-2006, 15:17
i've made some changess to the site

Hmm, right now (well, say two minutes ago) the page took forever to load -as in, at least 30 seconds (i.e. in real life, I would have gotten impatient long before that).

But I guess that's just a momentary server problem or something, right?

i don't know... i guess so.
some sites i've made take a while to load not because they're particularly big (in terms of fliesize) but because the scripts on them take a while for the computer to process. though i don't think that's the case with this site as its a fair bit simpler than the others

try it again and see if its quicker?

Once I actually got ON the page it was displayed fine, both in Firefox and in Netscape 7.2.

good


What I personally don't like so much about the site is

- that it's all slightly too big for my screen (as always with your stuff! *shakes fist at your widescreen thingy* :p).

what resolution are you running? http://www.whatismyscreenresolution.com/
the site will work for down to 800x600 but only just, and the map will indeed be huge. not sure what to do about this other than to use a resolution detect script and redirect to a smaller version of the map. might do this if my client thinks its worthwhile

The map just about fits, but only if I scroll up a bit until the heading disappears, and all the little windows opening at the bottom are outside of my screen. Same goes for the little map of the southern counties.

got rid of those little windows in favour of something simpler, less flashy, but probably more elegant. hopefully this'll work for more people/

- that the addresses open in their own scrollable window thingy. It's unexpected and irritating and confusing, which these scrollable windows-in-windows always are, IMHO. And you have to press the back button anyway to get back to the map, so why not make it a "real" window/page to begin with? (Okay, probably because that's a huge pain in the ass to program or something, but what do I know? :p)

you guessed it.
well actually, it'd be easy to do that... kinda. what that would do is make the page height variable depending on what content is loaded from the database. in IE i have a script that automatically looks for the height of a page and adjusts the page to fit (so there's no scrollbars in scrollbars) but it doesn't work in non-IE browsers and i'm not good enough at coding to begin to work out how to change that.
so the alternative is to have tonnes of spare white space at the bottom of the screen as a catch-all for any length of page displayed.
people then complain about the amount of white space.

i don't know which is the better of two evils :confused: :(

- that the "Find This Market on a Map" button is too close to bottom edge of the scrollable windows-in-windows - so the white "Market Managers amend your details here" text is too close to the button and that makes the bottom look all busy and constantly made me think I had to scroll down further becasue it looked like some text and busy stuff had been cut off.

ok... *won't be doing anything about that* :p
(sorry :fluffle: just not a priority for the huge amount of work that would entail... it sounds simple but noooooooooooo)


But the second and ESPECIALLY the third point are just nitpicking, really.
I like the site. And I really do like the Dragon. *pats dragon* :)
awww :fluffle:








edit: oh the server is being really slow for me now too :-S
it definitely wasn't this slow earlier

edit2: fine now

edit3: ah no its gone again..... it was loading instantly again for a while but its gone back to hanging and hanging.... this must be a server issue as i haven't changed anything in about half an hour now