NationStates Jolt Archive

Looks like Smiler is going for it. Funny...most of his cabinet are old CND (Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament) ....as was he..... Maggie strikes again (obscure reference when Mags turned cabinet into a presidential kinda thang)..

So....they reckon its going to be 15 to 20 billion. Yeah right. Bullshit. Even with the 'reduction' from 200 to 160.

Fucking hell what a dick.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6205174.stm

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42381000/jpg/_42381620_tridentvanguard203_pa.jpg

I'm for keeping our permanent seat on the SC actually.

Well obviously we need nuclear weapons to deal with those states that we don’t allow to have nuclear weapons.

And the terrorists, don’t forget ‘em. We might need to do a retaliatory strike on Leeds if another set of bombs go off in London.

I don't understand. You can't use nuclear weapons to stop a nuclear war the way you can use soldiers to stop other soldiers.

If someone shoots nukes at you, what can you do? Shoot your nukes back? All that does is cause even more suffering, for no purpose...

And obviously terrorists and crazy nations don't give a crap about our nukes...

We should be focusing on nuclear defensive capabilities, not offensive.

I don't understand. You can't use nuclear weapons to stop a nuclear war the way you can use soldiers to stop other soldiers.

If someone shoots nukes at you, what can you do? Shoot your nukes back? All that does is cause even more suffering, for no purpose...

And obviously terrorists and crazy nations don't give a crap about our nukes...

We should be focusing on nuclear defensive capabilities, not offensive.

Its a nuclear deterrant. The theory being that no one would dare shoot first. Now im aware that terrorists and rogue states dont care all that much about self preservation, but I still feel better knowing that no one can shoot nuclear weapons at us without being totally annihilated. It might put them of doing it.

I'm for keeping our permanent seat on the SC actually.

Nothing is permanent in politics.

I'm for keeping our permanent seat on the SC actually.

When are Israel India Pakistan and North Korea getting their permanent seats?

Way i see it is:
We ideally want nice spanking new nuclear weapons for intimidation, deterrent and so on and so forth. But it's going to cost us an arm and a leg and we're never going to use them anyway, because as sson as we do some fucko's going to nuke London, and Britain would effectively cease to exist without it. So why don't we just pretend that we've spent the £12 billion and instead spend about a billion or so for some cheapo subs and a bit of yellow paint to paint radiation warning signs on everything. We could pretend it has teething troubls and is years behind schedule ansd billions of pounds over budget to add verisimiltude, and just funnel the money into some other black holes like the NHS where it would vanish anyway.

Way i see it is:
We ideally want nice spanking new nuclear weapons for intimidation, deterrent and so on and so forth. But it's going to cost us an arm and a leg and we're never going to use them anyway, because as sson as we do some fucko's going to nuke London, and Britain would effectively cease to exist without it. So why don't we just pretend that we've spent the £12 billion and instead spend about a billion or so for some cheapo subs and a bit of yellow paint to paint radiation warning signs on everything. We could pretend it has teething troubls and is years behind schedule ansd billions of pounds over budget to add verisimiltude, and just funnel the money into some other black holes like the NHS where it would vanish anyway.

w00t!!!

And we can waste the rest on the NHS's new 'computer system'.

why on Earth are we wasting money on Nuclear subs when what we need is at least one carrier and a navy that isn't a laughing stock

mark my words in 20 years British planes will be flying from American carriers the way things are going :mad:

I’m quite pleased that we’re retaining our Nuclear Weapons as I am a Thatcherite, a hard-line economic liberal with a preference for lasses-faire government focusing on Defense and Law+Order.:)

Buuut I would have been far happier is there hadn’t been the silly guarantee that the manufacturing won’t go abroad. It would have made my day if they’d announced an American contractor as I have shares in weapons manufacturers such as Lockheed Martin so I would have personally benefited (cheaper for the UK too). :rolleyes:

Ah well, as long as keep out position on the world stage and retain geo-political influence I don’t care do I?;)

mark my words in 20 years British planes will be flying from American carriers the way things are going

Considering the two new aircraft carriers we're building, I highly doubt that. I think they should be in service by 2015 shouldn't they? ;)

I’m quite pleased that we’re retaining our Nuclear Weapons as I am a Thatcherite, a hard-line economic liberal with a preference for lasses-faire government focusing on Defense and Law+Order.:)

Buuut I would have been far happier is there hadn’t been the silly guarantee that the manufacturing won’t go abroad. It would have made my day if they’d announced an American contractor as I have shares in weapons manufacturers such as Lockheed Martin so I would have personally benefited (cheaper for the UK too). :rolleyes:

Ah well, as long as keep out position on the world stage and retain geo-political influence I don’t care do I?;)



Considering the two new aircraft carriers we're building, I highly doubt that. ;)

You do realise that we do not have full control over these weapons yes?

Way i see it is:
We ideally want nice spanking new nuclear weapons for intimidation, deterrent and so on and so forth. But it's going to cost us an arm and a leg and we're never going to use them anyway, because as sson as we do some fucko's going to nuke London, and Britain would effectively cease to exist without it. So why don't we just pretend that we've spent the £12 billion and instead spend about a billion or so for some cheapo subs and a bit of yellow paint to paint radiation warning signs on everything. We could pretend it has teething troubls and is years behind schedule ansd billions of pounds over budget to add verisimiltude, and just funnel the money into some other black holes like the NHS where it would vanish anyway.

http://www.endofworld.net/

Considering the two new aircraft carriers we're building, I highly doubt that. I think they should be in service by 2015 shouldn't they? ;)
The RN is building new carriers? Really? Are they more invincible types? Do you have a link?
Im all excited!:)

So donate the new submarine to the Afghanis. I'm sure they'll appreciate the gesture.

The RN is building new carriers? Really? Are they more invincible types? Do you have a link?
Im all excited!:)

Yeah its the CVF project...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy_CVF_programme

The RN is building new carriers? Really? Are they more invincible types? Do you have a link?
Im all excited!:)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CVF
They're much bigger and more capable than the Invincible et al., if we ever get them that is. I seem to recall they failed to meet main gate or some such technical something or other a couple of weeks ago, which is a slight spanner in the works. We'll probably be needing them in the future too what with Hugo Chavez and his ilk and their greedy eyes on our Falklands. we'll probably end up just begging the Americans to do it for us. Still at least there isn't a cold war going on, so they shouldn't have any qualms about helping us this time.

Edit: Oops - too late.