NationStates Jolt Archive


Progress

Nonexistentland
04-12-2006, 16:39
Another post in another thread sparked my interest.

I've noticed that people seem to consider a lack of progress as being bad, or conversely, that progress is necessarily good.

Of course, this is usually in conjunction with such statements as "Religion is masochism" and "God is less than half of what I am, given that x = omniscience."

Many refer to the period after the fall of Rome as the "Dark Ages," specifically because of a supposed lack of scientific knowledge. However, this delineation has been reconsidered in light of evidence that, in fact, these times were more advanced than previously assumed, and thus reclassified as the "Low Middle Ages," the period following naturally being--the discovery of the cannabis leaf as an intoxicant notwithstanding--the "High Middle Ages." But why is a time of faith--ie, the Middle Ages--in that it is not as advanced as previously or now, is bad? What makes rampant, unchecked scientific progress necessarily good? Sooner or later I have no doubt that, in our scientific zealousness, we will eventually discover our own demise. But, all that said, I really have nothing against science. I'm just curious as to where we draw the line that scientific progress = good and progressive understanding of God = bad. Thoughts? Questions? Comments? Concerns? Death threats?

That would be cool though, to learn so much we destroy ourselves...like the snake eating its own tail...
Gorias
04-12-2006, 16:51
tackling everything with a scientific approach is always productive.
the religious mindset is only productive if thier vaule is logical and rational.
Edwardis
04-12-2006, 16:53
I think that people think anything new is progress, when, really, it might be regress.
Nonexistentland
04-12-2006, 16:55
tackling everything with a scientific approach is always productive.
the religious mindset is only productive if thier vaule is logical and rational.

Yes, I agree that science is more inducive to progress than religion. But why is this good? I'm trying to get people to take an objective look at what they believe and the underlying foundations for their assumptions.
Nonexistentland
04-12-2006, 16:57
I think that people thiink anything new is progress, when, really, it might be regress.

Do you think religion is regression?
Edwardis
04-12-2006, 16:57
Do you think religion is regress?

Some are, some aren't. Nothing in itself is bad - only the perversions of it are.
Curious Inquiry
04-12-2006, 17:30
Yes, I agree that science is more inducive to progress than religion. But why is this good? I'm trying to get people to take an objective look at what they believe and the underlying foundations for their assumptions.

(My bold) Not a bad definition of the scientific method.

I rarely think of religion in terms of progress, given that they're stuck with a bunch of stuff written thousands of years ago, that they aren't meant to question. An individual can progress spiritually, but I suspect most religious institutions only change to retain their audience.
Nonexistentland
04-12-2006, 17:37
(My bold) Not a bad definition of the scientific method.

I rarely think of religion in terms of progress, given that they're stuck with a bunch of stuff written thousands of years ago, that they aren't meant to question. An individual can progress spiritually, but I suspect most religious institutions only change to retain their audience.

Oh yeah, agreed. I definitely believe that religion does not represent progress. My question is though, why is progress automatically equated with good?
Gorias
04-12-2006, 17:39
Oh yeah, agreed. I definitely believe that religion does not represent progress. My question is though, why is progress automatically equated with good?

progress=what have now + more good =better
Curious Inquiry
04-12-2006, 17:43
Oh yeah, agreed. I definitely believe that religion does not represent progress. My question is though, why is progress automatically equated with good?

Automatically equating progress with good is as dogmatic as any other religion (there's a quote for you ;) ).
Eve Online
04-12-2006, 17:45
tackling everything with a scientific approach is always productive.
the religious mindset is only productive if thier vaule is logical and rational.

Yes, applying the principles of science and industry to mass murder is always productive. :rolleyes:
Khadgar
04-12-2006, 17:46
Stagnation is counter-survival. We must constantly strive to improve and evolve technologically and biologically or go the way of the dinosaur.
Entropic Creation
04-12-2006, 17:46
Progress is only a bad thing if you think humanity has reached total perfection, and thus any change would be harmful. Otherwise we should strive for advancement.
Curious Inquiry
04-12-2006, 17:48
Yes, applying the principles of science and industry to mass murder is always productive. :rolleyes:

If the intent is to produce clean, efficient mass murder, yes!
Eve Online
04-12-2006, 17:49
If the intent is to produce clean, efficient mass murder, yes!

Well, you have me there. Thermonuclear weapons are efficient, but hardly clean.
Curious Inquiry
04-12-2006, 17:56
Well, you have me there. Thermonuclear weapons are efficient, but hardly clean.

Which is why we need to continually strive to improve our WMD ;)