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As a youngster just realizing the world after the turmoil of teenagerism (my new word) my biggest worry is the whole "GLOBAL WARMING" issue being floated. My general feeling was the world would be a much better place without black gold. As i started picking my young brain about what i thought the world would be like without oil i just got more and more mixed up. Healthcare would still be at the "bite on this while i cut your leg off" stage. Aid to stricken nations would take far too long to be worthwhile. But then again, it would not be possible for a company to wipe out an entire hectare of forest in a day.

Is there another way?? Are the major corporations of the world hiding the fact that renewable, efficient, clean energy is possible beacuse that would devestate their power and profits. If we did find a renewable energy would it get better or worse? would corporations find it easier to directly and indirectly dominate everyones lives? At this stage it looks as though nuclear energy is gaining ground on oil but is the ratio of productivity to pollution that much better? What happened to electric and hybrid cars? Did the major automobile industry decide it would be too expencive to convert their factories at this stage, did they decide to wait another decade so they could see a return on their investment.

I think it all comes down to what we want out of our lives. Are we really happy living in an office, cause lets face it what most of us do at work day in and day out does not enhance man kind. Good on you for recycling your rubbish everyday, but the lives we lead enevitably fuel pollution. The whole reason a democracy is so appealing is because it allows one to lead a life of "working to obtain luxuries". When GW Bush stands up there defending his attempt to spread democracy to a region that does not want it, do you really think he has the peoples best interest in mind. Or is he a puppet to corporate leaders with luxurious lifestyles who need that region to obtain more luxuries. We have Sir Richard Branson telling us how he plans to cut taxing times of his Virgin fleet by towing his planes to the piont of take off to cut emissions. Emissions or costs? We are being sold a lie by the best sales men and we are eating it up like rabbits. Obviously Iraqi's would be better off without Sadam and the air would be a spot cleaner with the 10 extra minutes cut by towing the planes but the fact of the matter is they care less about these points then they do about lining their pockets and those around them.

The way i see it is Humans need incentive to do good. With a democracy the incentive is money and comfortable living. Will we ever get to the point where it shall be enough incentive to be able to come home at the end of the day and say " I did alot of good for the world today" This way we can still operate at the capacity we do today but we would not do it with the most pollutant subsatce we can find cause there is more money in it, we would strive to find more economical energy and rejoyce when we do. We would not do it for the pay check. We would do it so our childrens children can go on a game drive in the Zambezi valley a hundred years from now and not be confronted by pollution and filth. They will breath clean air. Is that not enough incentive. I feel like a hypocrite for wanting this and being unable to change. A democratic society sucks everyone into a whirlpool of advancement for the wrong incentive. It needs a major shift in thinking to change a world. At this point it seems it will take a rude awakening i.e aids, sars, tsunami, katrina, global warming etc for us to take a step back and say "why are we here? there are forces out of our control and we are not indestructable" Or we could just breed more complainers like myself and the world will change to shut us up :)

As i said, im young so my views on things are a spot clouded so please post comments!!!

Sometimes I find little clumps of dirt in the oddest nooks and crannies of my body the day after I play in mud, despite showering thoroughly.

:)

Sometimes I find little clumps of dirt in the oddest nooks and crannies of my body the day after I play in mud, despite showering thoroughly.

:)

:p

its all alot clearer now, thank you!

its all alot clearer now, thank you!

I've done what I can, the rest is up to you. :)

How do I put this nicely?

The world is only going to get more adept at abusing everyone, especially you.

Meh, I never liked Earth anyway.

Unforunately money usually is the reason why people do things like they do, but not everyone does. It is possible to decide that you will be the kind of peason that doesn't follow these peoples example. While you do need a certain amount of money to live, there is no reason you must be greedy about it. I like to help other people myself, sometimes to the point of causing myself finacial problems, which is not good either. We must try to find the neutral finacial ground where we help people to a point, but don't cause ourselves a problem by doing so. This is the lesson I have been learning the hard way during my life.

Meh, I never liked Earth anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM-mfEMssy8

Meh, I never liked Earth anyway.

I like my song better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JSR_6qfXTg

:D

I like my song better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JSR_6qfXTg

:D

I want the pink suit.

I like my song better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JSR_6qfXTg

:D

Tis catchy.

I like my song better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JSR_6qfXTg

:D

its been a long time that i heard that
i have just saved it into my youtube favorites

I like my song better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JSR_6qfXTg

I prefer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0lTO4GB8sw

Pssshh.. shame on all of you. This guy posts a huge post full of idealistic and good views. and all you can do is post youtube songs. :P

Insouciant Cherishing, I'm also young and share similar views. Become a member of your nation's green party today and "express" your views and feelings.

Green parties wish to reform society into a stable, sustainable and efficient society which does not pollute the earth and is not based on competition and the hunger for money and luxuries.

Embrace your views and expand them.

Pssshh.. shame on all of you. This guy posts a huge post full of idealistic and good views. and all you can do is post youtube songs. :P

Insouciant Cherishing, I'm also young and share similar views. Become a member of your nation's green party today and "express" your views and feelings.

Green parties wish to reform society into a stable, sustainable and efficient society which does not pollute the earth and is not based on competition and the hunger for money and luxuries.

Embrace your views and expand them.

my point of view is they can do that
as long as they let me keep my weapons

Sorry to break it to you, kiddo. Global Warming isn't going to kill you. Nor is it going to be the destruction of the earth. It's just another one of a million doomsday prophecies out there. Unfortunately with this one, pyschotic environmentalists took a legit science and have scared the living bejesus out of everyone with it with sensationalism

I prefer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0lTO4GB8sw

You win this thread and the next four you post in.

Pssshh.. shame on all of you. This guy posts a huge post full of idealistic and good views. and all you can do is post youtube songs. :P

Insouciant Cherishing, I'm also young and share similar views. Become a member of your nation's green party today and "express" your views and feelings.

Green parties wish to reform society into a stable, sustainable and efficient society which does not pollute the earth and is not based on competition and the hunger for money and luxuries.

Embrace your views and expand them.

Hey! I also told him the bits of dirt anecdote. I'm not a total airhead! :p

I prefer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0lTO4GB8sw
That seems to rip off Monty Python a fair bit. But it's the Animaniacs, so you win.

As for global warming, I shouldn't worry about it too much. You'll likely die of heart disease or cancer at about 70 and there's pretty much nothing you can do to actually change anything.

Hey! I also told him the bits of dirt anecdote. I'm not a total airhead! :p
All newbies here must be told that story as soon as possible, lest they fall into the trap of thinking that this is a forum to debate serious topics.

All newbies here must be told that story as soon as possible, lest they fall into the trap of thinking that this is a forum to debate serious topics.

Ill take a mental note of that

I prefer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0lTO4GB8sw

Wow. That is clearly plagiarism. I think the Pythons have grounds to sue.

my point of view is they can do that
as long as they let me keep my weapons

You have weapons!?

God, that's disturbing...

I don't care. heat it up, boys.
i'm not saying global warming is bunk, only that I don't give a shit.

Wow. That is clearly plagiarism. I think the Pythons have grounds to sue.

Would the Pythons bother though?

You have weapons!?

God, that's disturbing...

they for the little green man who land to take us over

or for those who think of caming to my Nation and take us over and tell us what to do

I don't care. heat it up, boys.
i'm not saying global warming is bunk, only that I don't give a shit.

Yeah, but you don't really give a shit about anything. And anything you do give a shit about you hate. You're a very angry person. I suggest masturbating more.

Dear Insignificant World: I shall consume as much of you as I can, in as many fashions as I can. If you would be so polite to sit still, it will make it much easier on all of us. Those creatures who should devote themselves to my cause will be devoured first, and in the most merciful fashion imaginable. If you should resist me, I shall make your devouring infinitely slow and infinitely painful. Thank you and have a nice day.

~Cthulu
One who does not even need to laugh at the pettiness of your existence.

Yeah, but you don't really give a shit about anything. And anything you do give a shit about you hate. You're a very angry person. I suggest masturbating more.

thats true.

I masturbate (hey, you brought it up), and movies are important but not shitty one I don't give a shit about those, and therefore I hate them :D

whoever thinks global warming is not an issue is blatantly .........! long destructive processes that are enevitably going to wipe out the human race are not going to happen overnight. the sun is not going to expand enough in the next 10 000 000 years to make any noticable difference on the mean global climate. but alas it is going to happen eventually. and even if global warming is not an issue it still pains me to see the smog over some of the major cities of the world. man made wornders can never come close to the beauty of the natural world and everyone has lost sight of that because they chase money. well good luck to you all :)

Thank you to all those who put in something worthwhile!!!! its appreciated.

whoever thinks global warming is not an issue is blatantly .........! long destructive processes that are enevitably going to wipe out the human race are not going to happen overnight. the sun is not going to expand enough in the next 10 000 000 years to make any noticable difference on the mean global climate. but alas it is going to happen eventually. and even if global warming is not an issue it still pains me to see the smog over some of the major cities of the world. man made wornders can never come close to the beauty of the natural world and everyone has lost sight of that because they chase money. well good luck to you all :)

*sighs*

Thank you to all those who put in something worthwhile!!!! its appreciated.

You're welcome. :)

I are monkey.

Meh, I never liked Earth anyway.

Martian colonies, here we come! :D

there IS a clear and present danger to not just the human species but to the entire web of life on planet earth. it is NOT weapons of mass destruction, terrorism, or some kind of religeous mumbo jumbo, but the use of combustion to generate energy and propell transportation, an out of control expansion of human population, and the destruction of natural habitat. most if not all of which, motivated by putting trying to impress each other ahead of the real gratifications of creating and exploring.

'the' future, is NOT cast in concrete, and we MIGHT not have already passed an erriversable point of no return. at any rate wind, solar and micro hydro are proven and established tecnologies, not some kind of utopian fantasy that we can only dream about.

the oil WILL eventualy run out. not neccessarily soon enough to save us from our selves if we keep perpetuating callus thoughtlessness, but it will, sooner or later do so. a number of other forseeable events are on the horizon. at some point an economics that is self isolated, whatever its motivation for so being, from natural realities external to the coerciveness of human society, will quite likely emplode and collapse. and no, some other economic idiology, just as ignorant and indefferent to natural reality isn't going to burry it. but that isn't going to stop it from burrying itself, which it just may well be already well along the road to doing so.

so those are a couple of things. being a victum of our own excess of population is another. at some point, nature just might come up with one more disease or some other factor, quicker then we can come up with some oh so clever bandage for it. hiv/aids seems to be showing some such potential, dispite its having been under our microscopes for some time now. but something totaly unexpected could be thrown at us and do for us too.

and of course, we could get to tossing nukes arround. exciting and dramatic a way to go as that may seem, it is probably the least likely of present scenarios.

whatever does happen, chances are extremely good also that there really will be a morning after. and a glorious and wonderful morning after it will be, for those who'se luck of the draw it will be to survive. though they will likely have trouble at first realizing this. as we always do.

this last will likely be beyond the lifetimes of those of us now living. but the rest of us, those younger then myself and even a few my own age, will almost certainly see.

will human society develop a real conscounse? that i can't answer with anything approaching total certainty, but a LOT of outcomes, and the value and quality of them, will depend entirely upon its doing so.

and finaly, organized belief is NOT a conscounse. not denying the connection between priorities and probabilities is.

=^^=
.../\...

I are monkey.

Cthulhu, they call me. Great Cthulhu.

there IS a clear and present danger to not just the human species but to the entire web of life on planet earth. it is NOT weapons of mass destruction, terrorism, or some kind of religeous mumbo jumbo, but the use of combustion to generate energy and propell transportation, an out of control expansion of human population, and the destruction of natural habitat. most if not all of which, motivated by putting trying to impress each other ahead of the real gratifications of creating and exploring.

'the' future, is NOT cast in concrete, and we MIGHT not have already passed an erriversable point of no return. at any rate wind, solar and micro hydro are proven and established tecnologies, not some kind of utopian fantasy that we can only dream about.

the oil WILL eventualy run out. not neccessarily soon enough to save us from our selves if we keep perpetuating callus thoughtlessness, but it will, sooner or later do so. a number of other forseeable events are on the horizon. at some point an economics that is self isolated, whatever its motivation for so being, from natural realities external to the coerciveness of human society, will quite likely emplode and collapse. and no, some other economic idiology, just as ignorant and indefferent to natural reality isn't going to burry it. but that isn't going to stop it from burrying itself, which it just may well be already well along the road to doing so.

so those are a couple of things. being a victum of our own excess of population is another. at some point, nature just might come up with one more disease or some other factor, quicker then we can come up with some oh so clever bandage for it. hiv/aids seems to be showing some such potential, dispite its having been under our microscopes for some time now. but something totaly unexpected could be thrown at us and do for us too.

and of course, we could get to tossing nukes arround. exciting and dramatic a way to go as that may seem, it is probably the least likely of present scenarios.

whatever does happen, chances are extremely good also that there really will be a morning after. and a glorious and wonderful morning after it will be, for those who'se luck of the draw it will be to survive. though they will likely have trouble at first realizing this. as we always do.

this last will likely be beyond the lifetimes of those of us now living. but the rest of us, those younger then myself and even a few my own age, will almost certainly see.

will human society develop a real conscounse? that i can't answer with anything approaching total certainty, but a LOT of outcomes, and the value and quality of them, will depend entirely upon its doing so.

and finaly, organized belief is NOT a conscounse. not denying the connection between priorities and probabilities is.

=^^=
.../\...

Baffling spellings of the first order.

Cthulhu, they call me. Great Cthulhu.

Gesundheit. :)

We are starting to see the effects. Some of us will be under water or forced to move to higher ground. The earth isn't going anyplace...humans are.

I think as a society we are becoming more aware of the issue and we have taken steps, however small, in the right direction. Cars such as the hybrid will reduce this somewhat.

Water would be the ideal solution. In this case we need to make capitalism work for us. Put your research dollars into stocks that support environmentally friendly products like fuel cell research or better yet develop one yourself. The fact is the world needs more scientists and engineers and less MTV.

Nicely done Cameroi well said!

I think as a society we are becoming more aware of the issue and we have taken steps, however small, in the right direction. Cars such as the hybrid will reduce this somewhat.


Sure it will be more expensive than ordinary cars, leaving many citizens in the 'Third World' can't buy it.

The 'Third World' takes no small part in this problem.
While many developed countries such as the US, Australia, and Japan are struggling hard to find out some ways to reduce pollution, many developing countries such as China, India, and Indonesia are trying to catch up with their own development with those of the West by polluting the atmosphere.

Rapid growing Chinese industries, many Indian cars, Indonesian forest fires.


Water would be the ideal solution. In this case we need to make capitalism work for us. Put your research dollars into stocks that support environmentally friendly products like fuel cell research or better yet develop one yourself. The fact is the world needs more scientists and engineers and less MTV.

The fact is the world needs to be shared by everyone.
Let these environmentally friendly products can be consumed by those who don't have deep pockets.