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I have heard a few people on this forum claim that there was no genocide during the Bosnia-Herzegovina war in the 90s. I would like to know what most of you think.

Was there a genocide?

What evidence led you to your conclusion?

I do believe that the International Tribunal already settled this.

I do believe that the International Tribunal already settled this.

The international tribunal issued a statement about the opinions of generalites regarding the Bosnian genocide?

Source?

I have heard a few people on this forum claim that there was no genocide during the Bosnia-Herzegovina war in the 90s. I would like to know what most of you think.

Was there a genocide?

What evidence led you to your conclusion?

Some Serbs got overzealous and killed a few civilians, but it was no where near the number that Clinton lied about. The Muslims started the war, and the Serbs knew from history that the Muslims were dangerous when they start attacking Serbs. Since the Bosnians waged a kind of guerilla war, it was hard to differentiate between civilian and soldier. The Muslims in Kosovo started it again in 1999.

Some Serbs got overzealous and killed a few civilians, but it was no where near the number that Clinton lied about. The Muslims started the war, and the Serbs knew from history that the Muslims were dangerous when they start attacking Serbs. Since the Bosnians waged a kind of guerilla war, it was hard to differentiate between civilian and soldier. The Muslims in Kosovo started it again in 1999.Did you get that information from the banners on Stormfront that complain about the "poor white children in Serbia"?

The international tribunal issued a statement about the opinions of generalites regarding the Bosnian genocide?

Source?

No, they convicted people for having committed genocide. Hard to do that without an actual genocide having taken place...

Some Serbs got overzealous and killed a few civilians, but it was no where near the number that Clinton lied about. The Muslims started the war, and the Serbs knew from history that the Muslims were dangerous when they start attacking Serbs. Since the Bosnians waged a kind of guerilla war, it was hard to differentiate between civilian and soldier. The Muslims in Kosovo started it again in 1999.

Do you have any evidence that the Bosniaks/Croats started the war? IIRC, the war started when the Croat village, Ravno was raided and its citizens massacred.

People, people. Why are we arguing over this?

The correct answer is "Myrth," and you all know it. ;)

Some Serbs got overzealous and killed a few civilians, but it was no where near the number that Clinton lied about. The Muslims started the war, and the Serbs knew from history that the Muslims were dangerous when they start attacking Serbs. Since the Bosnians waged a kind of guerilla war, it was hard to differentiate between civilian and soldier. The Muslims in Kosovo started it again in 1999.

Oh I see. when Muslims kill people its because they are evil Muslims but when innocent Muslims have genocide committed against them in places like Bosnia, Chechnya(sp?), and Palestine its only because the evil Muslims would have killed them, so its ok.:rolleyes:

a big :upyours: to the serbs.

I have heard a few people on this forum claim that there was no genocide during the Bosnia-Herzegovina war in the 90s. I would like to know what most of you think.

Was there a genocide?

What evidence led you to your conclusion?

There was an attempt at - wonderful term - 'ethnic-cleansing'.

As far as I'm concerned there was a genocide on a similar scale to that in Rwanda and its farily undeniable when you read first-person accounts by British soldiers who served in Bosnia and later in Kosovo and see the similarities in the things they saw at the side of the road to what was seen in the aftermath of the Rwandan genocide.

Cheneya(sp?)

Chechnya?

Chechnya?

fixed, thanks

a big :upyours: to the serbs.

Yeah, because they were all involved in it, and the Muslims were oh, so innocent in that conflict and didn't kill a single person...

Yeah, because they were all involved in it, and the Muslims were oh, so innocent in that conflict and didn't kill a single person...

Bosnians were completely justified in their actions to defend their land and their people. If Serbs didn't want their people to die, they shouldn't have started it.

Bosnians were completely justified in their actions to defend their land and their people.

You do understand that Serbs are Bosnians too?

If Serbs didn't want their people to die, they shouldn't have started it.

Ah, I see. You know nothing about the war or its causation. Well, then.

Yeah, because they were all involved in it, and the Muslims were oh, so innocent in that conflict and didn't kill a single person...
Oh, Fass, Fass, Fass, Fass, Fass.
Will you ever learn?
Don't you know, you're supposed to look at the world in strictly "black and white", "us and them" terms now?
It's the 21st Century. Get with the program, soldier! Jump on the team and come on in for the big win!

fixed, thanks

You're welcome.

And for the record, I fully support Chechen independence.

You do understand that Serbs are Bosnians too?


some are

Ah, I see. You know nothing about the war or its causation. Well, then.
the above statement is true about you.

the above statement is true about you.

Sure honey, sure. The big bad Serbs started that war, while everyone else was twiddling their thumbs in their pious innocence...

/Wonders what they teach you in schools these days. :rolleyes:

No, they convicted people for having committed genocide. Hard to do that without an actual genocide having taken place...

Nuremberg comes to mind...





...is probably what MTAE would say...

Nuremberg comes to mind...
...is probably what MTAE would say...

Coincidentally, that's what Soviestan would say as well. Or has already said.

Coincidentally, that's what Soviestan would say as well. Or has already said.

Sure honey, sure. The big bad Serbs started that war, while everyone else was twiddling their thumbs in their pious innocence...

:rolleyes:

Bosnians were completely justified in their actions to defend their land and their people. If Serbs didn't want their people to die, they shouldn't have started it.Bullshit. There were plenty of atrocities committed by them too.

I have heard a few people on this forum claim that there was no genocide during the Bosnia-Herzegovina war in the 90s. I would like to know what most of you think.

Was there a genocide?

What evidence led you to your conclusion?

The War Crime trials going on right now is a good indication that they occured. On top of that, my father did the Bosnian missions delivering humanitarian aide to the affected regions.

So yes there was a genocide and to claim that there was not, is just plain ignoring the facts.

Bullshit. There were plenty of atrocities committed by them too.

Agreed.

I do believe that the International Tribunal already settled this.
The War Crime trials going on right now is a good indication that they occured. On top of that, my father did the Bosnian missions delivering humanitarian aide to the affected regions.

So yes there was a genocide and to claim that there was not, is just plain ignoring the facts.

And if the International Tribunal isn't evidence enough, the Serbian courts are also convicting people of genocidal killings.

http://www.tuzilastvorz.org.yu/html_eng/index.html
http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/newsbriefs/2006/02/22/nb-01
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4543072.stm
http://www.trial-ch.org/en/trial-watch/profile/db/facts/slobodan_davidovic_465.html

(Serbia appears to be addressing it's war crimes much better than the US. As a US citizen, that's just plain embarassing. Hopefully that will change over time, as happened with Serbia.)

And if all that isn't enough, how about this:
Serbs admit to 1995 massacre

Bosnian Serbs have admitted for the first time that their forces killed several thousand Muslims in the 1995 Srebrenica massacre.
An earlier report had tried to minimise the massacre toll

A report by a Bosnian Serb government commission said that it has "established that during the 10-19 July 1995 period several thousand Bosniaks (Muslims) were liquidated in a way which represents grave violations of international humanitarian law".
http://english.aljazeera.net/News/archive/archive?ArchiveId=4402

Can someone inform as to what started the war? I thought it was a raid on a Croatian village...

Can someone inform as to what started the war? I thought it was a raid on a Croatian village...

Here's one account, but it seems to be based on the wiki, so take it with that in mind.

The first casualty in Bosnia is a point of contention between Serbs and Bosniaks. Serbs claim this was Nikola Gardović, a groom's father who was killed at a Serb wedding procession on the first day of the referendum, on February 29, 1992 in Sarajevo's old town Baščaršija. Bosniaks meanwhile consider the first casualty of the war to be Suada Dilberović, who was shot during a peace march by unidentified gunmen on April 5.

Note that this was not actually the start of the war-related activities on the territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina. On September 30, 1991, the Yugoslav People's Army (JNA) destroyed a small village of Ravno located in Herzegovina and inhabited by Croats during the course of its siege of the city of Dubrovnik (which was on the territory of Croatia itself). On September 19, the JNA moved some extra troops to the area around the city of Mostar, which was publicly protested by the local government.

Finally, on November 18, 1991 the Croats of Herzegovina, formed the "Croatian Community of Herzeg-Bosnia" (Hrvatska Zajednica Herceg-Bosna) as an national supra-organization that aimed to protect their interests.

The Yugoslav People's Army was deployed around Bosnia and Herzegovina and tried to take control of all major geostrategic points as soon as the independence was declared in April 1992. The Croats organized a military formation of their own called the Croatian Defense Council (Hrvatsko Vijeće Obrane, HVO), the Bosniaks mostly organized into the Army of Bosnia and Herzegovina (Armija Bosne i Hercegovine, Armija BiH), while the Serbs participated in the Army of Republika Srpska (Vojska Republike Srpske, VRS). In some places, smaller paramilitary units were active, such as the Serb "White Eagles" (Beli Orlovi), Bosniak "Patriotic League"(Patriotska Liga) and "Green Berets" (Zelene Beretke), or Croat "Croatian Defense Forces" (Hrvatske Obrambene Snage).
http://koz.vianet.ca/boshis159.htm

Bosnians were completely justified in their actions to defend their land and their people.
Does that include the attacks on Serb villages that occured, murdering civilians?(Including children) Or are the lives of the non-muslims just worthless in your eyes?

You do understand that Serbs are Bosnians too?
Ah, I see. You know nothing about the war or its causation. Well, then.

Can someone tell everyone about "Greater Serbia?" And about the Serbian group that shares the first 3 words of my nation's name?

Can someone inform as to what started the war? I thought it was a raid on a Croatian village...
tbh, I doubt anyone there knows nor cares.
It most probably was a Serb attack on a Croat village in response to long-simmering, but never forgotten, anger over a Croat attack on a Serbian village decades ago, that was itself a revenge attack due to a Serb attack on a Croat village decades before that, which was retaliation over a ....



Well, I think you get the picture.

I knew people from all three groups (Bosnians, Serbs, and Croats) growing up. They grew up in that area during the war and came out here as refugees. They don't really blame anyone for starting it. To them, it was everyone's fault.