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Hillary Clinton might become the first female president, but what about the first black president?

If Barack Obama ran as a democratic presidential candidate, would you vote for him?

http://obama.senate.gov/

I thought Bill Clinton was said to count as one.

Anyone but the video game hating bitch Hillary. :mad:

Hillary Clinton might become the first female president, but what about the first black president?

If Barack Obama ran as a democratic presidential candidate, would you vote for him?

http://obama.senate.gov/

Probably not.

Hillary won't get the nomination because the majority of Americans hate her.

Obama won't get it because he doesn't have enough experience as a politician yet.

Hillary Clinton might become the first female president, but what about the first black president?

If Barack Obama ran as a democratic presidential candidate, would you vote for him?

http://obama.senate.gov/

After reading his issue stances, I'll say it's quite possible that I would vote for him.

But I would want to do more research when the time came.

A Negro for President? Riiiight.

Hillary won't get the nomination because the majority of Americans hate her.

Obama won't get it because he doesn't have enough experience as a politician yet.
I'm no American, and no expert, but I'd say he'd be better advised to run as Illinois Governor in 2008 (I think his term might end then if he didn't need re-election in November) to get some executive experience before going for President on 2012.

Just my thoughts.

If I lived in the u.s I certainly wouldn't , he's not even black look at him , he's one of the few supposive black people who look like they have tan rather than be black And i've never seen a supposed black person who actually was even near a shade of the actual colour of black. thats why I call them coloured because there closer to brown , orange and yellow than black , I'm pretty pale so I'm pretty close to the actual colour of white.

no, cuz i'm not an american/USian/(insert translation here), and thus can't vote in USA elections.

I would not vote for Hillary and I'd personally be amazed if she got the nomination for the reasons previously said.

I thought Bill Clinton was said to count as one.

nah, bill is not really black, he is just adopted...

I forgot to add, I don't know enough about Obama to say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_Hillary_Rodham_Clinton#Video_games < EVIL BITCH

If I lived in the u.s I certainly wouldn't , he's not even black look at him , he's one of the few supposive black people who look like they have tan rather than be black And i've never seen a supposed black person who actually was even near a shade of the actual colour of black. thats why I call them coloured because there closer to brown , orange and yellow than black , I'm pretty pale so I'm pretty close to the actual colour of white.
Do you vote based on the colour of the candidate(s) skin?

Do you vote based on the colour of the candidate(s) skin?

Nope I'd vote for the knights party or the american nazi party, I just thought I'd share my views with everyone.

Hillary won't get the nomination because the majority of Americans hate her.

Obama won't get it because he doesn't have enough experience as a politician yet.

thats true, he might be inexperienced but i think he could be a strong candidate...

I'd vote for Morgan Freeman

Hillary Clinton might become the first female president, but what about the first black president?

If Barack Obama ran as a democratic presidential candidate, would you vote for him?

http://obama.senate.gov/

I vote mostly republican--though I am an independent

I consider myself to be conservative for the most part(I feel unbelievably let down by these liars who claimed to be conservatives in the currently declining administration)...
I have heard several speeches and interveiws with Barack Obama on NPR and I can say without a doubt I would vote for the man.
Without a doubt.
I am so sad that are people who would vote for him that wont because he is Black.

I am less interested in Hilliary, but if Hilliary ran with Obama as her VP she would get my vote.

As far race actually being an issue, it isnt.
It disgusts me that when considering who you(not literally you, butthe you in general) would pick for your leader thatrace would even be considered, quality of character--and ability, as in merit are the only concerns I have.
While I may not always be right about a canidate at least I try to be---race should not effect your politics, I damned sure dont want politics interfering with race.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_Hillary_Rodham_Clinton#Video_games < EVIL BITCH

its not that unreasonable. wait till your 18 to buy the game yourself, or, if your parents think you are mature enough to play the game, they can buy it for you.

I am less interested in Hilliary, but if Hilliary ran with Obama as her VP she would get my vote.

good post, and this is an interesting senario...

Race isn't a factor for me. I don't know enough about Obama to say whether I'd vote for him or not. His lack of experience is a double-edged sword. Most experienced politicians are slimewads.

Race isn't a factor for me. I don't know enough about Obama to say whether I'd vote for him or not. His lack of experience is a double-edged sword. Most experienced politicians are slimewads.

Thats why I dont consider his lack of experience to be a factor, I have heard the man speak and am certain he would surround himslef with a most effective and intelligent cabinet.
I dont see Obama using "yes men".

Do you vote based on the colour of the candidate(s) skin?

Nope. But there has never been a black or woman president. Geraldine Ferraro ran in '84, Victoria Woodhull ran in the 19th century, and Jesse Jackson keeps on trying, but so far all 43 presidents have been white males.

good post, and this is an interesting senario...

It would be one hell of a record setting ticket wouldnt it be?

nah, bill is not really black, he is just adopted...

http://i13.tinypic.com/4c0bmu9.gif

how come its a black boy saying "thats racist" why not white ? , in britain white people are persecuted for claiming racism when the black/coloured can claim that all the time.

Hillary Clinton might become the first female president, but what about the first black president?

If Barack Obama ran as a democratic presidential candidate, would you vote for him?

http://obama.senate.gov/

Where is the poll? Yes, I would if he were the better candidate.

Nope. But there has never been a black or woman president. Geraldine Ferraro ran in '84, Victoria Woodhull ran in the 19th century, and Jesse Jackson keeps on trying, but so far all 43 presidents have been white males.
Doesn't mean people shouldn't vote for him though, which was my original point.

I've never really seen a white person claim racism and it being taken seriously.

how come its a black boy saying "thats racist" why not white ? , in britain white people are persecuted for claiming racism when the black/coloured can claim that all the time.

You answered your own question.

Obama won't get it because he doesn't have enough experience as a politician yet.

That could be a big plus. He isn't a professional politician yet.

how come its a black boy saying "thats racist" why not white ? , in britain white people are persecuted for claiming racism when the black/coloured can claim that all the time.
Are you one of these people that believes there is a shed of truth in anything the Daily Mail prints?

Hillary won't get the nomination because the majority of Americans hate her.
??? Why?

That could be a big plus. He isn't a professional politician yet.

Are we forgetting Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter already?

I'm no American, and no expert, but I'd say he'd be better advised to run as Illinois Governor in 2008 (I think his term might end then if he didn't need re-election in November) to get some executive experience before going for President on 2012.

Just my thoughts.

Jimmy Cartrer and GWB both had ececutive experience as Governors and look at what a mess they made of things. :eek:

Are we forgetting Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter already?
Wasn't Carter Georgia Governor before being elected President?

??? Why?

Well, she comes off as a bitch.

Jimmy Cartrer and GWB both had ececutive experience as Governors and look at what a mess they made of things. :eek:
Yeah, but experience is more to do with how to govern, than what policies to govern with.

I'd vote for Morgan Freeman

damn straight.

Honestly, I dont care about the race or gender of our next president. All I care about is that they put the duty and protection and interests of the citizens first while also keeping good diplomatic ties and peace with other nations.

Are you one of these people that believes there is a shed of truth in anything the Daily Mail prints?

The daily mail mainly only ever prints rubbish on the sides lines , the anguish of british muslims or something thats racist or homophobic , british news is dull .

The daily mail mainly only ever prints rubbish
Corrected for accuracy.

Where is the poll? Yes, I would if he were the better candidate.

done.

I try to avoid watching the news becuase it regulary pisses me off

Possibly, but it would depend on who his opponent was.

I would vote for a darker-skinned individual just as much as a lighter-skinned one. Skin color doesn't concern me. It;s what they have planned that interests me.

Possibly, but it would depend on who his opponent was.

Rudy Giuliani

Wasn't Carter Georgia Governor before being elected President?

Yes, he was, and Ford was a Senator.

I try to avoid watching the news becuase it regulary pisses me off
I can put up with anything except BBC's Have Your Say because it's generally full of annoying Little Englanders.

Hillary won't get the nomination because the majority of Americans hate her.



Majority of americans hate her...

Oh, I see! You're counting radical feminists psychos and people in institutions!

Rudy Giuliani

Rudy or Obama? I'd vote for Rudy. http://www.nearlygood.com/smilies/great.gif

I try to avoid watching the news becuase it regulary pisses me off

I avoid 24 hour networks like the plague, news today is nothing more than fear-mongering, sensationalism, and plain old vanilla bullshit.

Rudy or Obama? I'd vote for Rudy. http://www.nearlygood.com/smilies/great.gif

Me too, I doubt he would win though, too many skeletons in his closet. I can see it now,
"Giuliani wives for truth!"

Yes, he was, and Ford was a Senator.

I think he was a member of the House, not the Senate--minority leader I think.

I avoid 24 hour networks like the plague, news today is nothing more than fear-mongering, sensationalism, and plain old vanilla bullshit.

thats why you have to watch the real news, like jon stewart and stephen colbert... :)

Hillary Clinton might become the first female president, but what about the first black president? Why not go with a black woman president, get two for the price of one.
And hey, why not a lesbian one, while we're at it. Maybe a satanist too. With a disability, like a missing leg. And maybe tourettes syndrom?

Anyone else with good ideas?

I think he was a member of the House, not the Senate--minority leader I think.

Correct.

Why not go with a black woman president, get two for the price of one.
And hey, why not a lesbian one, while we're at it. Maybe a satanist too. With a disability, like a missing leg. And maybe tourettes syndrom?

Anyone else with good ideas?

My cousin and I came up with that idea in '04. Our version was the "Lesbian black retarded wheelchair bound drug-addled woman" or something like that.

thats why you have to watch the real news, like jon stewart and stephen colbert... :)

The rocky road and mint chocolate chip of news coverage.

I think he was a member of the House, not the Senate--minority leader I think.

http://www.nearlygood.com/smilies/ops.gif I do think you are correct.

Rudy Giuliani

I like Giuliani, a nice, moderate Republican. He gets my vote.

Why not go with a black woman president, get two for the price of one.
And hey, why not a lesbian one, while we're at it. Maybe a satanist too. With a disability, like a missing leg. And maybe tourettes syndrom?

Anyone else with good ideas?

"If elected for president, I will--COCKSUCKERS!!!--do good things for the people like--FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK!!--give them food and free healthcare. And free lesbian porn."

http://www.nearlygood.com/smilies/ops.gif I do think you are correct.

Beat you to it. -.-

My cousin and I came up with that idea in '04. Our version was the "Lesbian black retarded wheelchair bound drug-addled woman" or something like that.

And here she is; http://images.military.com/Data/MIB/Careers/Pics/jElders_90x120.jpg

and if you don't know who she is, go here http://www.military.com/Careers/Content1?file=trans_joycelyn_elders.htm&area=Content

Man or woman? Black or white? Catholic or Satanist? I don't give a good God Damn what you are as long as you're capable of doing the job and doing it right!!!

Completely! Obama's won me over. Though I do agree that he should get more experience before going for the big P.

Well, she comes off as a bitch.


i don't know about that, but she's everything that Southern voters : Pro-choice, not homophobic, anti-gun and a Yankee.

Although, according to some analysts, she( or any other candidate) may not even have to carry the South, which is apparently becoming the last refuge of desperate right-wingers. I hope that doesn't mean there'll be Republicans actually moving down here. There are enough where I live as it is!

I like Giuliani, a nice, moderate Republican. He gets my vote.

He's not a moderate by any means, just not a social conservative. He's a corporate conservative, who tend to do more harm than Bible-thumpers. They're sneakier.

Besides, there's no way in hell Giuliani would get any Republican votes, for the same reason Hilary wouldn't get any Republican votes.

I must say I do like Obama, there's certainly a chance I'd vote for him.

You couldn't give me a million dollars to vote for Hillary Clinton.

You couldn't give me a million dollars to vote for Hillary Clinton.

Would you do it for a Klondike bar?

Besides, there's no way in hell Giuliani would get any Republican votes, for the same reason Hilary wouldn't get any Republican votes.

Giuliani is like the republican's poster child right now. What rock have you been living under?

Would you do it for a Klondike bar?

Make it a butterfinger, and I might have a serious moral debate on my hands.

Against the Republican candidate? Of course.

Against a Green, or a more left-wing Democrat? Absolutely not.

Hillary won't get the nomination because the majority of Americans hate her.


Last I heard, she was leading candidate for the Democratic Party. Conservatives might "hate" her, but the fact remains that she is extremely popular among those of her own party. She also has presidential credentials/experience (First Lady). Oh, and shes not Gore or Kerry.

It's gunna be Clinton/Obama 2008.

Conservatives might "hate" her, but the fact remains that she is extremely popular among those of her own party.

The left wing of the Democratic Party hates her as well, because of the Iraq betrayal and general opportunism.

Another thing to hate about Hillary: She wants to make flag-burning illegal.

It would be one hell of a record setting ticket wouldnt it be?

yeah, i would think so

I wouldn't vote for Obama in the 2008 election cycle, but I would in the 2016. That gives him additional time to build up foreign policy experience and learn how to make Congress work. He's clearly energetic, ambitious and savvy enough to have a future as a world-class leader.

I say this as a Black man, so understand that race is not the consideration. What is a consideration is experience. George W. Bush did not have adequate foreign policy experience and NO congressional experience before being elected president.

The present results explain why I am more concerned with competency than color.

Anyone who would or would not select a candidate based on skin color is in the wrong country, and really should get the FRUCK out. Seriously.

Another thing to hate about Hillary: She wants to make flag-burning illegal.

Hillary Clinton is a hack who would be lucky to 30% in a GE.

That could be a big plus. He isn't a professional politician yet.

Lack of experience would be a tremendously huge negative, for a few reasons:


Relative lack of (i.e. no) name recognition
No established record, thus no way for voters to answer the question of "what can he/she do for me?"
Both of the above combine into an inability to raise money

Hillary Clinton is a hack who would be lucky to 30% in a GE.

True.

Rudy Giuliani

Giuliani would be a horrible choice for the Republican nomination.


New York Mayor --> 9/11 --> War on Terrorism --> War in Iraq. And, as the very recent elections demonstrate, the War in Iraq is very unpopular.
He's actually "liberal" as all hell: pro-gun control, pro-abortion, pro-stem cell research, pro-same sex civil unions
Too much baggage: conservative, God-fearing Republicans are really going to enjoy finding out that he started his relationship with his third wife while still married to his second wife.


The Republicans should nominate Giuliani only if they really truely want to lose. A far better choice would be McCain, who happens to be quite popular among moderate Democrats and Independents (the latter constituting that portion of the electorate who swing their votes, thereby deciding [close] elections).

True.

Hilary would get like 70% of the vote in N.Y, Im all for Hilary for president

The left wing of the Democratic Party hates her as well, because of the Iraq betrayal and general opportunism.

Unfortunately for them, there are more moderates, centrists, and independents than there are left-wingers. Ideologues might not like it, but candidates for office often prefer winning elections.

A Negro for President? Riiiight.

For reals.

He is to inexperienced right now. Though if he moves to the right some in the future I may vote for him.

Hillary Clinton might become the first female president, but what about the first black president?

If Barack Obama ran as a democratic presidential candidate, would you vote for him?

http://obama.senate.gov/

I don't base my vote on Gender, skin color nor do I base my votes on Religious Beliefs.

I base my vote on the candidate that best mirrors my belifs and viewpoints.

so if Barack Obama fits that bill, then yes, I would vote for him for those reasons, not for the color of his skin or wether or not he's got a pair down there.

??? Why?

Why do many people hate Hillary Clinton? As far as I can tell, it's largely because she's female and doesn't "know her place." I still remember how horrified many conservatives were to hear that Bill Clinton asked his wife's opinion on matters of politics, as if she was a real, intelligent person he respected or something! Depressing, huh?

(Of course, on these forums, you'll also get the all-important 13-year-old opinion that she's a horrible evil bitch for thinking that said 13-year-olds should need their parents' consent to buy graphically violent and/or sexual video games.)

We cant vote him for president he looks to... non-presidential. Presidents have to look retarded its like... a rule.

I couldn't vote for him anyways im Australian. XD

Why do many people hate Hillary Clinton? As far as I can tell, it's largely because she's female and doesn't "know her place." I still remember how horrified many conservatives were to hear that Bill Clinton asked his wife's opinion on matters of politics, as if she was a real, intelligent person he respected or something! Depressing, huh?

It's because she's a pro-censorship biatch, who pretends to be liberal.

Between McCain and Hillary, I wouldn't even bother voting.

Saying that everyone who hates her does so because she's a woman is an unfair catch-all, and beyond that not true. Please refrain from using it again.

I'd vote for him (if I was of voting age) because he is so darn cute! (or because I agree with his policy)

Hillary Clinton might become the first female president, but what about the first black president?

If Barack Obama ran as a democratic presidential candidate, would you vote for him?

http://obama.senate.gov/

He won't get it but I'd still vote for him. He's the only politician who seems to have his head on his shoulders in regards to an energy policy, plus I like the guy, which is extremely rare for a politician.

It's because she's a pro-censorship biatch, who pretends to be liberal.

Between McCain and Hillary, I wouldn't even bother voting.Be fair. Hillary doesn't pretend to be liberal. The only ones who even claim that she's a liberal are Limbaugh-ites. There's nothing in her time as a Senator that would give legitimacy to the liberal tag.

I will vote for him.

I will vote for him.

::scandalous "oooo!" noise::

Relative lack of (i.e. no) name recognition
He has such an unusual name that considering his position right now his name recognition is quite high.

No established record, thus no way for voters to answer the question of "what can he/she do for me?"
However he's one of those people who can answer those questions directly (unlike Hillary, Kerry, and Bush who had serious trouble.) Also you could read his book The Audacity of Hope which entirely revolves around that question.

Both of the above combine into an inability to raise money

I think you're right about that one, being in the State Senate and having one national race where he got extremely lucky isn't enough experience at raising money. He's going to need a very astute campaign manager if he is even considering running.

He is to inexperienced right now. Though if he moves to the right some in the future I may vote for him.
Obama strikes me as somone who doesn't measure people based on their political leanings. One of his strengths is if a conservative thinks up a way to solve a problem that he think works he'll support it.

One of the things I admire about Obama is that he seems to have an idea about everything. Some of his ideas really suck and some are so good if this President had any brains he would be implementing them right now but at least he has ideas. (Unlike pretty much all "experienced" politicians.)

I'd vote for him (if I was of voting age) because he is so darn cute! (or because I agree with his policy)
Unfortunately he's old enough to be your Dad. (I know that because my Mom knew him in college.)

It's wierd though, he's about as old as my parents but he looks so much younger.

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I realize that the thread is about Obama, however, I had intended to answer the assertion that lack of experience is a "big plus" in a more general sense. The assertion seemed to be based on the idea that being a "professional politician" is somehow a bad thing. This is, of course, an entirely false conclusion as voters will be looking exactly for that candidate with enough "professional" experience to be able to deliver what they want.

Saying that everyone who hates her does so because she's a woman is an unfair catch-all, and beyond that not true. Please refrain from using it again.

Did someone say that "everyone who hates her does so because she's a woman"? I know I didn't.

If I were American & agreed with his views, then yes.

Hillary Clinton might become the first female president, but what about the first black president?

If Barack Obama ran as a democratic presidential candidate, would you vote for him?

http://obama.senate.gov/


No. Obviously not because he's black, but because I disagree with every single policy of his.

Now if Thomas Sowell ran...

Be fair. Hillary doesn't pretend to be liberal. The only ones who even claim that she's a liberal are Limbaugh-ites. There's nothing in her time as a Senator that would give legitimacy to the liberal tag.

She's US liberal - big government, gun control, economic regulation.

Nothing liberal about 'em liberals.

I´m not an american myself, but of this I´m certain : The USA having a black president is as unlikely as South Africa ever having a white president after Nelson Mandela´s release from prison.

A black USA president ? Don´t make me laugh. Never gonna happen.

Depends on who he was running against. I would like to see him run though. That would be at least one candidate I could vote for in good conscience.

I certainly would if he ran. Given the alternatives hard to see why one wouldn't.

Did someone say that "everyone who hates her does so because she's a woman"? I know I didn't.

OK, I overstepped a bit. But by your statement that many people hate her "as far as I can see because she's a strong woman who doesn't know her place" you where implying that most of her destracter don't like her simply because she is a strong woman. This is not true. I'm sure there are a minority who do, but they are not the majority.

I am against her, but her being a woman has nothing to do with it.

No. He seems like the type who would want to “protect American jobs” or hold such other asinine positions.

No. He seems like the type who would want to “protect American jobs” or hold such other asinine positions.

If by "protect American jobs" you mean "keep corperations from moveing oversees and takeing adventage of slave labor prices, but instead in the US creating jobs." then yes, he's likely to do that, and I'd support it.

I don't think I would vote for him, at least not until I had more information, some of the stuff it says on his website seems iffy to me.

Obama won't get it because he doesn't have enough experience as a politician yet.

Someone said that about a young, charismatic man from Mass. running for President.

That fellow was JFK.

Why do many people hate Hillary Clinton? As far as I can tell, it's largely because she's female and doesn't "know her place." I still remember how horrified many conservatives were to hear that Bill Clinton asked his wife's opinion on matters of politics, as if she was a real, intelligent person he respected or something! Depressing, huh?

(Of course, on these forums, you'll also get the all-important 13-year-old opinion that she's a horrible evil bitch for thinking that said 13-year-olds should need their parents' consent to buy graphically violent and/or sexual video games.)

No but she's an idiot for saying at people who are under 18 should need their parents permission to buy violent games. A 13 year old trying to buy a video came but can't because its too violent is not the same thing as a 16-17 year old trying to buy a violent game and can't.

Three things...

1. I would vote for Obama...but I hope and pray he stays the hell away from Hillary in 08. If he gets a VP nod from her, it won't influence my vote at all...I'll still be voting against Hillary.

If he runs in 08 I'll probably vote for him, though I'd prefer he wait until 2012/2016.

2. I hate Hillary Clinton because NY decided to ignore her opportunistic carpetbagging and voted her in anyways. Why, I'm not entirely sure...but I know that I would never cast a vote for someone who had never even lived in my state if they were running for statewide office!

She's welcome to her Senate seat for the rest of her natural life for all I care, if NY voters desire it, but I'll never vote for her for national office.

3. If it comes down to Clinton and McCain in '08....I'm voting 3rd party! :mad:

OK, I overstepped a bit. But by your statement that many people hate her "as far as I can see because she's a strong woman who doesn't know her place" you where implying that most of her destracter don't like her simply because she is a strong woman. This is not true. I'm sure there are a minority who do, but they are not the majority.

I am against her, but her being a woman has nothing to do with it.

You're still mischaracterizing my statement somewhat. The question I answered was not "Why do people disagree with Hillary Clinton?" or "Why would people prefer a different candidate to Hillary Clinton?" There are lots of reasonable, rational responses to those questions which have nothing to do with her gender. (And, sadly, there are even some reasonable, rational responses to the latter question that have everything to do with her gender as well - polls show that something like 20% of Americans wouldn't elect a female president even if they believed her to be the best-qualified candidate for the job. Scary, huh?) The question was "Why do people hate Hillary Clinton?" - and, from what I've seen, most of the people who hate Ms. Clinton have been doing so for nearly fourteen years now, and started doing so very specifically in response to a First Lady who had actual political influence.

No but she's an idiot for saying at people who are under 18 should need their parents permission to buy violent games. A 13 year old trying to buy a video came but can't because its too violent is not the same thing as a 16-17 year old trying to buy a violent game and can't.

Well, legally, they are the same thing. They're both minors. You could similarly argue that a 16-year-old buying porn, cigarettes, or lottery tickets is different from a 13-year-old buying porn, cigarettes, or lottery tickets, but legally, they're not different. Having a rating system for games akin to the rating system for movies and applying the laws consistently for both seems only reasonable.

Of course, none of that changes the fact that forming an opinion of a candidate on the basis of something as colossally insignificant as her position on teenage video game purchasing is beyond inane. With all the real issues in the world to worry about, I must admit that I'm thankful that those teenagers who believe that their inability to buy Grand Theft Auto without their mommies finding out is a major injustice can't vote yet.

the nation is ready to vote for a black man

just not that black man

I can't vote at all, being British, but if I could, I'd base it entirely on his opponent. I'd just vote for the candidate with what I think are better stances and policies, regardless of pretty much everything excluding criminal record and mental health.

A few pages ago, I saw a small debate about the British news and the frequency of accusations of racism. My dad once told me that if you read an article on something you are an expert on, mistakes will be immediately apparent, as I have found to be true. So using inductive reasoning, we arrive at the conclusion "avoid the British media like the plague".

As to racism, while I do think anti-white racism is far less prosecuted, it is also far less common. I don't know anyone of any ethnicity who obviously discriminates against whites. That said, I don't know anyone of any ethnicity who obviously discriminates against blacks or others. That's why I've always felt that people are too hung up on the black/white, "rascist" part of discrimination. I am mocked (occasionally, by the school's, dare I say it, "underclasses", but mocked all the same) for being of obviously English descent (I live in Edinburgh). I have also been sniggered at, once, for a mild stammer. And there is close to nothing I can do about any of this! When I, on the other hand, seeking to describe a girl who I did not know the name of at the time, referred to her as having "strange eyes", I was briefly shunned as some crazed radicalist, despite the fact that she was actually physically deformed in a purely medical sense.

Political correctness makes me sick.

Well, legally, they are the same thing. They're both minors. You could similarly argue that a 16-year-old buying porn, cigarettes, or lottery tickets is different from a 13-year-old buying porn, cigarettes, or lottery tickets, but legally, they're not different. Having a rating system for games akin to the rating system for movies and applying the laws consistently for both seems only reasonable.

Of course, none of that changes the fact that forming an opinion of a candidate on the basis of something as colossally insignificant as her position on teenage video game purchasing is beyond inane. With all the real issues in the world to worry about, I must admit that I'm thankful that those teenagers who believe that their inability to buy Grand Theft Auto without their mommies finding out is a major injustice can't vote yet.


Well its not going to stop older siblings or older friends to buy the stuff for them. I used to do it all the time.

You are right that its a good thing they can't vote yet.

Anyone but the video game hating bitch Hillary. :mad:
The scary thing is, she's probably less anti-video game than John McCain and Joe Lieberman are.

I think a black man who becomes president would be the most likely assassination target in many years. There are lots of racists with guns in the world - a black president wouldn't last his first 100 days.

I think a black man who becomes president would be the most likely assassination target in many years. There are lots of racists with guns in the world - a black president wouldn't last his first 100 days.

Very true, it would galvanize all the neo-nazi and white supremacist terrorists in the U.S.

Anyone that can fulfill the definition of a good president, I would vote for. Regardless of gender and race.

Very true, it would galvanize all the neo-nazi and white supremacist terrorists in the U.S.
And I recognise I totally ended up on some sort of watch list for posting that.

After reading his issue stances, I'll say it's quite possible that I would vote for him.

I concur, but, alas, only in 2010 am I eligible to vote.

And I recognise I totally ended up on some sort of watch list for posting that.

Miniluv-*cough* I mean the FBI will raid your house shortly.

Neither gender nor skin color have anything to do with the way I would vote and I suspect that if anyone does consider that a reason to (or not to) vote for someone then that person is a pathetic soul who I hope gets shanked on the way to the voting booth by someone of their own color and gender.

Edit... oh yeah- I would vote for Obamba as I find him to be trustworthy and a refreshing change of pace from what we usually see in candidates.

Hillary can jump off a cliff for all I care. She is a bit too conservative and authoritarian for my tastes and I don't like her support of the Iraq war most of all. Plus I just don't trust her... she's not a refreshign change of pace. She's a stale side dish of injustice.

I think a black man who becomes president would be the most likely assassination target in many years. There are lots of racists with guns in the world - a black president wouldn't last his first 100 days.
I remember a bit Chris Rock did, where he said there would never be a black vice-president, not while the president was white--because there would be black men lined up ready to kill the president. He said, what's the worst that could happen? You could be pardoned by the black president, or you'd be the biggest hero in the history of jail, locked up with a lot of other black men.

Neither gender nor skin color have anything to do with the way I would vote and I suspect that if anyone does consider that a reason to (or not to) vote for someone then that person is a pathetic soul who I hope gets shanked on the way to the voting booth by someone of their own color and gender.

Edit... oh yeah- I would vote for Obamba as I find him to be trustworthy and a refreshing change of pace from what we usually see in candidates.

Hillary can jump off a cliff for all I care. She is a bit too conservative and authoritarian for my tastes and I don't like her support of the Iraq war most of all. Plus I just don't trust her... she's not a refreshign change of pace. She's a stale side dish of injustice.
And yet so many right-wingers are convinced that she's the second coming of Karl Marx.

Miniluv-*cough* I mean the FBI will raid your house shortly.
I'm a foreign national. I think that makes me the CIA's territory.

Rudy or Obama? I'd vote for Rudy. http://www.nearlygood.com/smilies/great.gif

People's love for Rudy always amuses me. I like him, then again I always did. He was not a very well liked man on September 10th, but then again neither was Bush. It's funny how terror and paranoia can change an entire culture and their values is it not?

People's love for Rudy always amuses me. I like him, then again I always did. He was not a very well liked man on September 10th, but then again neither was Bush. It's funny how terror and paranoia can change an entire culture and their values is it not?

If you didn't like Rudy, you'll love this article (http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2006/12/05/giuliani/). It reminds everyone just how big an asshole he was before he became "America's Mayor" on 9/11/2001. Let's put it this way--in 2000, NY City was clean and crime was down, the economy was humming along, and Rudy sat at 37% in his public opinion polls. How's that for loathed?

But on September 11 (and 12, and 13), Rudy was shown to be a fairly capable leader.

You'll notice that no one is calling for Ray Nagin to run for President.

I'm a foreign national. I think that makes me the CIA's territory.

Suck to be you, have fun in room 101!

Very true, it would galvanize all the neo-nazi and white supremacist terrorists in the U.S.

i love that word galvanize.

i would be ever so amused if a black guy ran for anything in ireland. people would like all,"if you dont vote for him you're a racist".

But on September 11 (and 12, and 13), Rudy was shown to be a fairly capable leader.

You'll notice that no one is calling for Ray Nagin to run for President.
It's also ludicrous to compare the two situations. New York--20 city blocks destroyed and the feds on the scene immediately. New Orleans--80% underwater and the feds didn't come for 5 days. What strikes you as different in those situations? Somehow, I don't think the competence of the mayor is that large a factor.

Suck to be you, have fun in room 101!
I'm probably already on the list. I only ever drive across the border in rental cars. That's probably enough.

I concur, but, alas, only in 2010 am I eligible to vote.

so you're not legal?
*scratches off list*.

i love that word galvanize.

i would be ever so amused if a black guy ran for anything in ireland. people would like all,"if you dont vote for him you're a racist".
If people started telling me that, I'd make a little sign for myself that said "RACIST" and go vote.

If people started telling me that, I'd make a little sign for myself that said "RACIST" and go vote.

everybodies a racist, except me cause i is black.

everybodies a racist, except me cause i is black.

Is the Ali G voice really necessary?

If you didn't like Rudy, you'll love this article (http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2006/12/05/giuliani/). It reminds everyone just how big an asshole he was before he became "America's Mayor" on 9/11/2001. Let's put it this way--in 2000, NY City was clean and crime was down, the economy was humming along, and Rudy sat at 37% in his public opinion polls. How's that for loathed?

Damn-that is some piece of shit article/source you linked to.

I got bad breath just reading it.

Rudy cleaned up a fair amount of organized crime beofre he became mayor. Shortly after he became mayor, a family could walk around Times Square and 42nd street area with little fear of being accosted.

He certainly isnt an asshole in my eyes. Would he make a good President?

I dont know. But at least when he puts on a Yankee hat, he is actually a fan.

Damn-that is some piece of shit article/source you linked to.

I got bad breath just reading it.

Rudy cleaned up a fair amount of organized crime beofre he became mayor. Shortly after he became mayor, a family could walk around Times Square and 42nd street area with little fear of being accosted.

He certainly isnt an asshole in my eyes. Would he make a good President?

I dont know. But at least when he puts on a Yankee hat, he is actually a fan.
Did you miss the part where the author acknowledged how the city improved under Giuliani's leadership? I sure didn't. Doesn't stop him from being an authoritarian asshole.

Did you miss the part where the author acknowledged how the city improved under Giuliani's leadership? I sure didn't. Doesn't stop him from being an authoritarian asshole.

No-I got that. And I dont know who they polled to contrive the low public opinion polls.

The zero tolerance policies worked-I dont agree with them across the board, but sometimes one extreme is needed to offset another.

He made it reasonable to do business in these areas of NYC again.

Several big businesses moved in and are doing well. As are their stockholders and employees.

I dont know if you ever spent time on the streets in NYC during the Dinkin's admistration- If you had, you'd maybe appreciate Rudy Giuliani a little more.

I'm still not endorsing him for President at this point. I would rather see him spend some time as Governor or Senator first.

If by "protect American jobs" you mean "keep corperations from moveing oversees and takeing adventage of slave labor prices, but instead in the US creating jobs." then yes, he's likely to do that, and I'd support it.
Hey. The people oversees need industrial jobs too and they’re never going to develop modern economies and labor laws without them.
I’ve no patience for populists.