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A friend of mine wanted to know if there are any fascists on NS, what they stand for, and why anyone would want to be a fascist?

Please note that I am not trying to criticize any fascist ideology, my friend and I are just curious.

More than you can shake a stick at, even if many of them would deny it.

More than you can shake a stick at, even if many of them would deny it.

lol. More or less my opinion, too.

Any extreme right-winger here could easily pass for a fascist.

Plenty.

Any extreme right-winger here could easily pass for a fascist.

Not really. Most of them stand for a free market, while fascists believed that the state should heavily interfere with business.

Well, I'm somewhat of a Fascist, though what I stand for is entirely different then previous Fascists in history, and I'm not sure why anyone would want to be a Fascist(could be total control?)

things are really starting to slow down on the forums.....

A facist on this forum...... that will be really....strange

Sure there are. Between us I tihnk we have someone from most if not all political stances.

Sure there are. Between us I tihnk we have someone from most if not all political stances.

For some reason, though, I don't see many hardcore anarcho-primitivists around here. :p

Any anarcho-fascists out there?

Yeah, I've seen fascists around here. They used to be ubiquitous a while back, complaining about the Jewish plot to take over the world. Then they would whine about censorship against them (which is rather ironic when you think about it).

I've got another friend who finds it so funny that Nazis use freedom of speech to legitimize their rallies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

I've got another friend who finds it so funny that Nazis use freedom of speech to legitimize their rallies.So do religious folks.

Any anarcho-fascists out there?

hahahahahaha, does that even exist?

hahahahahaha, does that even exist?

I think so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-fascism

I'm more of a libertarian. MTAE is probably, and Kohlstein looks like he could lean that way.

I've got another friend who finds it so funny that Nazis use freedom of speech to legitimize their rallies.

They have a right to say it. What they don't have a right to is to make anyone listen, or to make anyone respond to them other than with jeers.

I think I have only ever seen two or three real fascists on this forum. Normally when people have views which are not left wing they are labelled as fascist anyway.

For some reason, though, I don't see many hardcore anarcho-primitivists around here. :p

Bizarrely enough, we've got 'em. And I've ridiculed them for their blatant hypocrisy.

I've got another friend who finds it so funny that Nazis use freedom of speech to legitimize their rallies.

Yeah

Bizarrely enough, we've got 'em. And I've ridiculed them for their blatant hypocrisy.

Indeed, I've always found it odd there is an entire primitivist website and that one of the leading (and most extreme) primitivist thinkers routinely seems to engage in things he says are incompatable with primitivism.

For some reason, though, I don't see many hardcore anarcho-primitivists around here. :p

I don't know what that is so I'm going to assume you're right.

I think I have only ever seen two or three real fascists on this forum. Normally when people have views which are not left wing they are labelled as fascist anyway.

Funy thingis Fascism is more of a left wing thing, government control and what not.

Funy thingis Fascism is more of a left wing thing, government control and what not.

Well, any extreme ends in fascism.

They have a right to say it. What they don't have a right to is to make anyone listen, or to make anyone respond to them other than with jeers.

Of course they have a right to say it, but if they were in charge there would be no freedom of speech.

Yes there are Fascists. I'm a member of the NationStates Communist Party, and we have battled Fascists many times. In fact in this political similation game, with many nations and regions being Left-liberal, Communists are the good guys, while Fascists are considered the greatest threat to the "Free World". Of course many of these Fascist nations may just be role playing. A while back there was a self described National Socialist named, "Parratoga". But I do not know if she still considers herself to be a neo-nazi or not.

Bizarrely enough, we've got 'em. And I've ridiculed them for their blatant hypocrisy.

Really? I've seen people on here express sympathies to it, but I don't think i've seen someone really claim to be affiliated with that movement.

I don't know what that is so I'm going to assume you're right.

They want to go back to a pre-industrial society, or at their most extreme, desire a return to hunter-gatherer societies.


I think so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-fascism

lol, that's ridiculous. I have this image in my head now. Something like pirates, or barbarian clans, divided by ethnicity. Pirates that practice direct democracy, and form raiding parties against statists... and then take black people as slaves and sing the Horst-Wessel-Lied.

Funy thingis Fascism is more of a left wing thing, government control and what not.

That's silly. How do you account for classical anarchism, then?

I think I've seen two or three self-proclaimed fascists here. I've been accused of being a fascist for criticizing democratic government (which is interesting considering that I'm a libertarian).

For some reason, though, I don't see many hardcore anarcho-primitivists around here. :p

we've got at least one, and me and soheran probably count as sympathizers to some extent

Any anarcho-fascists out there?

there is no such thing. tis logically impossible.

there is no such thing. tis logically impossible.How dare you contradict wikipedia :mad:

I'm a fascist. Well, apparantly I'm as bad as them because I think they should all have their skulls cracked open and be left bleeding to death. Pfft. It's political correctness gone mad.

How dare you contradict wikipedia :mad:

wiki mentions it to be logically impossible too.

everybody that claims to hold the position - all 3 of them - are straight up fascists. no anarcho- about it.

I'm only a fascist towards a hot bowl of delicious udon noodles. :)

I'm a fascist. Well, apparantly I'm as bad as them because I think they should all have their skulls cracked open and be left bleeding to death. Pfft. It's political correctness gone mad.

i've never figured out what is up with people holding incoherent positions like "refusing to allow fascists to implement their plans to have me killed is fascism"

I'm a fascist. Well, apparantly I'm as bad as them because I think they should all have their skulls cracked open and be left bleeding to death. Pfft. It's political correctness gone mad.

Basicly, it's because you promote mass genocide.

Indeed, I've always found it odd there is an entire primitivist website and that one of the leading (and most extreme) primitivist thinkers routinely seems to engage in things he says are incompatable with primitivism.

someday i hope to be in a position where i have to give zerzan change. he's getting a penny back no matter what - numbers are oppression!

To many of the extreme leftists here, anyone who shows even the tiniest penchant for anticommunism is automatically a "fascist."

I'm somewhere between fascist Spain and Singapore. Not hardcore nationalist fascism like in Italy or Germany. Very strict government. You have to be a member of the Dalek Church, Very strong anti-crime laws but we do have a small controlled welfare state, public schools, etc.

Really? I've seen people on here express sympathies to it, but I don't think i've seen someone really claim to be affiliated with that movement.


They were comical newbies. I drove them away.

To many of the extreme leftists here, anyone who shows even the tiniest penchant for anticommunism is automatically a "fascist."

Then again, to some of the extreme rightists, anyone who shows even the tiniest penchant for left-of-center ideas is automatically a "communist."

I'd admit I once dressed up as Gobbels for a girl, this was back in college.

(And don't any of you Brits start singing that one-nut song!)

The ironic part is that she was Israeli.

Then again, to some of the extreme rightists, anyone who shows even the tiniest penchant for left-of-center ideas is automatically a "communist."
Zing.

Don't you have to be in control to be a fascist? :confused:

To many of the extreme leftists here, anyone who shows even the tiniest penchant for anticommunism is automatically a "fascist."

Bleh. Not true. The few occasions that I do see "fascist" bandied around at anyone and everyone, it isn't by regular posters, and certainly not often enough to say that "many" of we lefties do it.

Bleh. Not true. The few occasions that I do see "fascist" bandied around at anyone and everyone, it isn't by regular posters, and certainly not often enough to say that "many" of we lefties do it.

That's true. The ones I've seen do it post very sporadically, and aren't very prolific.

To many of the extreme leftists here, anyone who shows even the tiniest penchant for anticommunism is automatically a "fascist."

who tosses fascist around carelessly here? i know i use it, but i use it based on some solid knowledge of what fascism is.

That's true. The ones I've seen do it post very sporadically, and aren't very prolific.

And probably havent read a political text in their lives.

Then again, they could simply be Trotskyists. *pokes tongue out at DHomme :p*

Funy thingis Fascism is more of a left wing thing, government control and what not.

I would have to disagree with you there. Although the left excercises alot of government control, that's not the defining factor in it. Left-wing generally means change, right conservatism. Fascism is considered the most extreme form of right-wing ideology because of intense nationalism and the placement of state over individuals. Communist Dictatorships, the left-wing equivelent of Fascism, can sometimes seem strikingly similair to fascism (compare the actions of Hitler and Stalin), and yet are seperated by fundamentally different principles.

I am a fascist. I am glad most people here on the NSG forum actually understand a little about fascism. It seems many people use fascism as an umbrella term to define people of all political ideologies left or right, which causes fascism to become unfairly maligned by the ignorant. I have to disagree slightly with the notion that the government heavily intervenes in economic matters. It is true that there is much regulation, but that is done usually by the guilds.

which causes fascism to become unfairly maligned

haha, unfairly

haha, unfairly

That is pretty damn funny. :D

Fascism is no more unfairly maligned than any other ideology.

That is pretty damn funny. :D

Fascism is no more unfairly maligned than any other ideology.

Then why do many people use the term "Islamo-fascism". That is referring to a Middle Eastern Islamic authoritarianism and not fascism. The Soviet Union is many times called fascist, even though it was as far from fascism as you could get.

Then why do many people use the term "Islamo-fascism". That is referring to a Middle Eastern Islamic authoritarianism and not fascism. The Soviet Union is many times called fascist, even though it was as far from fascism as you could get.

And people mis-use the terms "communist" and "liberal" and "conservative" and "anarchist" in a similar fashion. Welcome to the widespread use and abuse of ideological terms in politics.

haha, unfairly

I was gonna say... Can one unfairly malign a fascist? Is it even possible?

I was gonna say... Can one unfairly malign a fascist? Is it even possible?

Sure. For example, you could slander a fascist by saying he's a serial killer when he's actually not.

And people mis-use the terms "communist" and "liberal" and "conservative" and "anarchist" in a similar fashion. Welcome to the widespread use and abuse of ideological terms in politics.

I agree somewhat, but there are no true anarchist or fascist nations out there to compare something to true fascism or anarchy. I guess that there really are no true communist nations out there either, but a true communist nation is impossible to achieve anyway, so socialist dictatorships are as close as they can get. The term conservative is mostly maligned by those like Bush who claim to be conservatives, but are really nothing of the kind.

I was gonna say... Can one unfairly malign a fascist? Is it even possible?

you could accuse him of being a terrible person because of his belief in peace and equality, maybe

I've been called a fascist/nazi on here many times, though I wouldn't consider myself to be one.

There is one fascist here, but he doesn't post very often. His name starts with V, I think.

And Fascism, while silly and fundamentally opposed to my views, isn't necessarily evil or bad. Nazism is, but actual Fascism is quite different from what Hitler started to impose upon Italy later on.

Mussolini's definition of fascism (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.html)

I'd admit I once dressed up as Gobbels for a girl, this was back in college.

(And don't any of you Brits start singing that one-nut song!)

The ironic part is that she was Israeli.

Gobbels = Timmy's pet turkey in South Park?
:D

That girl was sick man.

Goebbels

*spelling fascist*

And probably havent read a political text in their lives.

Then again, they could simply be Trotskyists. *pokes tongue out at DHomme :p*

Oh the anarcho-hilarity.

I would say that Singapore is the most successful quasi-fascist state. Even though it does have elections it's prety much a one-party state. It's extremly rigid state system means that you can't really do anything without the government knowing.

Bizarrely enough, we've got 'em. And I've ridiculed them for their blatant hypocrisy.

Communists buy things from capitalists and sell their labor to them. Advocates of laissez-faire capitalism interact with an economy heavily influenced by the state. There are perfectly good reasons for anarchists to vote. And so on.

Anyone who disagrees with the status quo is a hypocrite in this sense.

I'm a fascist. Well, apparantly I'm as bad as them because I think they should all have their skulls cracked open and be left bleeding to death. Pfft. It's political correctness gone mad.

Not political correctness; it's badly-understood relativism from people who haven't thought much about it. That, or liberalism carried out to such extremes that those who are not extremist liberals are all lumped together.

more than the world needs certainly.

There is one fascist here, but he doesn't post very often. His name starts with V, I think.

And Fascism, while silly and fundamentally opposed to my views, isn't necessarily evil or bad. Nazism is, but actual Fascism is quite different from what Hitler started to impose upon Italy later on.

Mussolini's definition of fascism (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.html)

I don't know why but I really enjoy reading anything written by a dictator. There's like a veneer of icy madness over the whole prose...

I think I have only ever seen two or three real fascists on this forum. Normally when people have views which are not left wing they are labelled as fascist anyway.
So Smunkeeville, Wilgrove, Neu Leonstein, and Europa Maxima are labelled as fascists? Why do you hate the left?

Not political correctness

Shhh. The conservatives blame everything on it, so I will as well.

Hmm...I've seen a few. I'm sure quite a few leftists on here would jump to label me as Fascist, but I'm actually (atleast in theory) in favor of a more limited government, that does not mendle into the economy and, to a lesser extent, into the social aspects of soceity. I would label myself extreme right in an economic point of view, but much more moderate right for a social view. I like the private sector much more than Nationalized industry, and I think the private sector is FAR more efficient and pays much better.:)

My political compass was like (Social: 4.00, Economic: 7.45) or something.

Not Fascist at all, really.

There is one fascist here, but he doesn't post very often. His name starts with V, I think.

And Fascism, while silly and fundamentally opposed to my views, isn't necessarily evil or bad. Nazism is, but actual Fascism is quite different from what Hitler started to impose upon Italy later on.

Mussolini's definition of fascism (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.html)

Hey, what about me? Kohlstein? No V here.

Hey, what about me? Kohlstein? No V here.
You don't count yet. So far I've seen only trollish statements about evil Muslims from you, no participation in threads regarding economic or political philosophy.

Ergo, you may call yourself fascist, but so far you haven't demonstrated that you even know what fascism means. So I didn't include you.

You don't count yet. So far I've seen only trollish statements about evil Muslims from you, no participation in threads regarding economic or political philosophy.

Ergo, you may call yourself fascist, but so far you haven't demonstrated that you even know what fascism means. So I didn't include you.

I'm glad you are keeping tabs on what I post. I'm not discussing political or economic philosophy because that's not what this post is about. If that's what you want to discuss, then post a new thread.

For some reason, though, I don't see many hardcore anarcho-primitivists around here. :p

Ha! Clever!

Bizarrely enough, we've got 'em. And I've ridiculed them for their blatant hypocrisy.

Bullshit! Who?

There is one fascist here, but he doesn't post very often. His name starts with V, I think.

And Fascism, while silly and fundamentally opposed to my views, isn't necessarily evil or bad. Nazism is, but actual Fascism is quite different from what Hitler started to impose upon Italy later on.

Mussolini's definition of fascism (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.html)

Well, technically speaking, Nazism isn't even that bad. What it is represented as is, however as a system it technically isn't anything like that. But that's a debate for another thread.

:/

Bullshit! Who?

...me. :mad:
*attacks from the rafters*

I've been called a fascist/nazi on here many times, though I wouldn't consider myself to be one.

Neither would I.

...me. :mad:
*attacks from the rafters*

So what, Hunter-Gatherers with laptops?

Yeah, anarcho-primitivists need porn. Even though such a society would be (SHOULD BE) A total nonstop fuckfest.

So what, Hunter-Gatherers with laptops?

Yeah, anarcho-primitivists need porn. Even though such a society would be (SHOULD BE) A total nonstop fuckfest.
Hot.

...me. :mad:
*attacks from the rafters*

::surprisedly dodges attack::

Really?

How to you reconcile your primativeism with useing the internet?

...me. :mad:
*attacks from the rafters*

Also:

(Sorry I can't resist)

Do you get offended at those "so easy even a cave man could do it" commercials?

i would think the origional; fascist model would have worked, but it needed anti-corruption mechanism in it.

Yeah, I've seen fascists around here. They used to be ubiquitous a while back, complaining about the Jewish plot to take over the world. Then they would whine about censorship against them (which is rather ironic when you think about it).

doesnt need to be a racist to be a fascist.

Oh the anarcho-hilarity.

Awww, lighten up. *pats patronisingly*

I don't really understand the animosity between different sects of the radical left, myself.

Everyone is a fascist. You're never wrong you know...

Awww, lighten up. *pats patronisingly*

I don't really understand the animosity between different sects of the radical left, myself.
Me neither, but we get those on the right too. Supporters of Rand detest the Austrians, who in turn have nothing but venom and loathing for the Chicagoites, and so on. And all the meanwhile? :) The Keynesians pretend we silly radicals don't even exist, except when it comes to borrowing a theory here and there.

Well, technically speaking, Nazism isn't even that bad. What it is represented as is, however as a system it technically isn't anything like that. But that's a debate for another thread.

:/
Please, do illuminate me as to what it's more positive sides were. This thread is as good as any other.

Yes, of course. Not Nazi, and certianly not anti-Semitic, but fascist.