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India successfully tests fledgling ABM system...

Aryavartha
03-12-2006, 04:11
Surprised that its not discussed....this is quite an achievement for the Indians...they basically pre-programmed two missiles (one Prithvi and another one currently unknown) to collide in mid air successfully....

This is a technology demonstrator...still a longways to go to in terms of integrating it with a capable radar and early warning systems and trajectory tracking and auto launching of interceptor and foolproofing and actual fielding of the system...but the DRDO (Defence and Research Development Org of India) is supposedly working towards that...with the aim to counter the missile threat of Pak and China.

http://www.upi.com/SecurityTerrorism/view.php?StoryID=20061130-055028-9393r
BMD Focus: India's giant leap forward
By MARTIN SIEFF
UPI Senior News Analyst

WASHINGTON, Dec. 1 (UPI) -- India's successful test of its own anti-ballistic Prithvi missile Monday still leaves the country a long way from fielding its own, home-produced short- and intermediate- range BMD systems. But it wasn't chickenfeed either.

In the test, as the Times of India reported, an upgraded version of the Prithvi shot down a conventional Prithvi at high altitude over the Bay of Bengal. The interceptor was launched from India's Integrated Test Range at Chandipur-on-sea and the test rocket from Wheeler Island in Orissa.

The success came as an enormous relief to India's long-embattled and much criticized Defense and Research Development Organization, or DRDO. As we have noted in these columns before, over the past three decades, DRDO has invested billions of dollars into high prestige, ambitious long-range ballistic missile, high-tech light combat aircraft, a new main battle tank and even a touted nuclear submarine with almost nothing to show for it.

We also monitored earlier this year the embarrassing failure of a test of India's ambitious Agni III intercontinental ballistic missile which, if successfully developed and deployed, would give New Delhi the deterrent capability to fire nuclear warheads at any city in China including Beijing.

Rajiv Singh in an authoritative analysis published by the b-domain.com Web site Wednesday gave important details about what wa sine ffect a new Indian-developed ABM interceptor.

"According to DRDO officials, the new missile had inertial guidance in mid-course and active-seeker guidance (i.e. a radar-seeking warhead) in the terminal phase," Singh wrote. "While the first stage of the interceptor was similar to the Prithvi missile, its second stage was a totally new segment. The yet to be named "high supersonic" interceptor missile has been developed by the DRDO as part of an 'exo-atmospheric intercept system' designed to 'hit-to-kill' incoming ballistic missiles."

Singh noted that DRDO officials told reporters the new ABM could detect a target in less than 30 seconds and launching an interceptor at it within 50 seconds. "According to the officials, many technologies, like high-maneuverability of the interceptor missile, were validated in the test. The flight time for nuclear capable missiles launched from Pakistan is a bare 5 to 8 minutes," he wrote.

Monday's successful test was also an excellent omen for A. K. Anthony, India recently appointed defense minister.

However, as Singh observed, "Defense analysts at home (in India) adopted a prudent posture with regard to the development. They had sufficient reasons to be prudent given DRDO's patchy track record in developing high-tech defense systems for the country's defense services."

He noted that the DRDO had previously "failed to operationalize the much touted 9-kilometer (5.4 mile) range Trishul and the 25-km (15 mile) range Akash air-defense missiles. These missiles have been undergoing 'successful' tests for as long as anyone can remember."

Nevertheless, as Singh acknowledged, "The successful missile interception test now allows India to stand alongside a few countries, such as the U.S., Russia and Israel, that possess a missile defense capability."

The upgraded Prithvi ABM interceptor appears to rank with the U.S. Patriot PAC-3 system, Russia's S-300 and Israel's Arrow in its intended ability to intercept short- and intermediate-range ballistic missiles. However, the Patriot, the S-300 and the Arrow are all deployed, much tested systems. Even after the extremely positive results of Monday's test, the upgraded Prithvi ABM still clearly as a long way to go to achieve that status.

Indeed, the United States has been trying to sell the Patriot to India as part of the increasingly close strategic weapons cooperation between the two nations. However, so far the Indians have balked at that. Also Singh noted what he called "informed speculation over the years ... that India may already have deployed a few batteries of the Russian S-300 system as an interim arrangement."

Given the continuing warm ties between India and Russia, the huge high-tech weapons orders that the current Congress-UPA dominated government and the previous Baharataya Janata Party-led one have both given to Russia and the exceptional enthusiasm for Russian aerospace technology shown for so many years by long-time Indian Defense Minister George Fernandes, that "informed speculation" seems extremely likely.

Singh noted that the Prithvi-I, "first tested in 1988, has a range of 150 km (90 miles) and deploys a conventional or low-yield nuclear warhead for use against troops or armored formations. Its two variants, Prithvi-II and Prithvi-III, with lesser payloads, have an increased range of 250 km (150 miles) and 350 km (210 miles) respectively. While the Prithvi-II was first tested in January 1996, Prithvi-III underwent its first test firing in October 2004. The Indian Army has already inducted Prithvi- I and II into service."

At the end of the day, when all the cautions, caveats and qualifiers have been made, a crucial underlying fact remains: India has now shown its capability to home produce an effective anti-ballistic missile prototype. France, Britain, Germany, China and Japan have not yet developed the capability to make one of these by themselves, though Japan will certainly is on a crash program to do so with extensive U.S. cooperation and China is already lavishly supplied with S-300 systems, and possibly others, bought from Russia.

The strategic balance of the world therefore shifted on Monday. India took a very large step indeed and served notice that it has much to give, as well as to receive, in its strategic weapons and BMD cooperation with the United States.
Allegheny County 2
03-12-2006, 04:14
Kudos to the Indians
Aryavartha
03-12-2006, 04:16
Video from IBN-CNN news Channel (a CNN and Indian media collaboration)

http://www.ibnlive.com/videos/27568/india-unveils-missile-interceptors.html
Aryavartha
03-12-2006, 04:19
http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=339563&sid=NAT&ssid=
DRDO plans low atmospheric missile interceptors
New Delhi, Dec 02: Buoyed by a successful missile interception in higher atmospheric zone, defence scientists are now planning to shoot down incoming warheads, much closer to ground, with a new missile named Pad.

The country`s top Missile Scientist Vijay Kumar Saraswat told a press conference today that "within the next three to four months the DRDO is planning to carry out another missile interception in the endoatmospheric zone" -- a pattern used by the Americans in the development of their Patriot PAC-III anti-missile shield.

"We have demonstrated the technology to defend against incoming ballistic missile threat," he said, but added it would take another three to four years to develop for the country a full-fledged anti-missile theatre shield.

Saraswat`s announcement comes in the midst of recent criticism of the DRDO which has been accused of allowing "heavy time and cost overruns" in critical projects.

He admitted that the Pad was still a technology demonstrator and said it would need another half-a-dozen tests to validate it as a missile shield.

The scientist said in any future indigenous missile shields, India would have to have a mix of exoatmospheric and endoatmospheric interception capabilities to match short reaction threats.

He ruled out that India might opt out of trying to acquire either the American or Israeli anti-missile system saying "we are only at the beginning and at this stage co-development or outright acquisition cannot be counted of."

Saraswat is the Chief Controller of the country`s missile programme and project director of the air defence missiles, whose team successfully carried out India`s first ever surface-to-surface missile interception in the exoatmospheric zone on November 27.

"In November 27 test, we carried out the interception at an altitude of 50 kms," the missile scientist said adding "we have the capability of increasing or decreasing the range and altitude of hit and kill against incoming missiles".

Asked to amplify on the punch and reliability of these new anti-missiles, Saraswat was guarded in his reply. "Two to three batteries of such missiles were sufficient to protect areas like the capital of the country," he said.

On the earlier test, he said the mission was in complete weapons system configuration where both software and hardware used were indigenous.

He said the new missile was hypersonic and had inertial guidance in mid-course and active seeker guidance in the terminal phase.

"Many new technologies like high manoeuvrability, mobile launching system and indigenous tracking and homing radars were tested for the first time."

The development of the new missile was not listed in the DRDO programmes and scientists had been working on it secretly for the past five years. "We are happy that our efforts have achieved success, but we still have a long way to go," he said.

The missile test was carried out without using any warheads -- in both the target and the interceptor missile.

Before carrying out the actual test interception, DRDO scientists simulated a hit and kill on the interim test range simulators on November 19.

Saraswat said the target surface-to-surface missile used in the test had been developed to attain a reach of 600 kms -- 300 km more than the existing missiles in the defence arsenal.

Asked why Agni missiles were not used, he said "It would have been an overkill."

The intercepting pad missile is a two-stage weapon with a semi-solid and semi-liquid propellant.

At the interaction, the DRDO missile scientists strongly repudiated enunciations that liquid propellants in any way affected the range, reliability or capability of the missiles.

Saraswat said recently 30 to 40 Prithvi missiles in use with the army had been checked by the DRDO scientists who found no faults in the fuel component.

While saying that the country did not lack solid fuel technology, he added that liquid fuel gave interceptor missiles more advantage in mid-course guidance.

Bureau Report


Now you know why Indians supported the US in the abrogation of the ABM treaty the US had with the Soviets.....lol...probably they had their own development of such a system in mind...;)
Almighty America
03-12-2006, 04:19
Fascinating. If it develops ICBMs like that, India's position as a superpower is undisputed...oh and the Pakistanis would be annoyed, to say the least.
IDF
03-12-2006, 04:20
Just curious, but do either Pakistan or India have MIRVs on their missiles?

Just wondering because the Nike missile in the Cold War showed promise until the development of MIRVs.
Allegheny County 2
03-12-2006, 04:21
Fascinating. If it develops ICBMs like that, India's position as a superpower is undisputed...oh and the Pakistanis would be annoyed, to say the least.

Its one thing to have ICBMs. Its another to be a superpower. In order to be a superpower, you must have force projection capability. India does not have that.
Aryavartha
03-12-2006, 04:26
Fascinating. If it develops ICBMs like that, India's position as a superpower is undisputed...oh and the Pakistanis would be annoyed, to say the least.

Well, the Agni-III was supposedly to become an ICBM but it failed test and is currently being modified/whatever. I am not really bothered by a lack of ICBM....I don't think it is a pressing strategic necessity for India to be able to nuke the US..lol. If this ABM deters the missile threat of Pak and the IRBM threat of Chinese missiles in Tibet...I would be happy.

The Pakistanis were pissed off and launched some missile tests to pacify their crowd.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1855561,000500020000.htm
Pakistan on Wednesday conducted a test of its nuclear-capable medium range ballistic missile, the military said.

"Pakistani troops today conducted a successful launch of the medium range Hatf 4 or Shaheen-1 missile," it said in a statement.

Shaheen-1 missile, which has a range of 700 kilometres, has been previously test-fired by Pakistan, a military spokesman said.
Aryavartha
03-12-2006, 04:28
Just curious, but do either Pakistan or India have MIRVs on their missiles?

No, not currently. But I suspect the ABM would force Pakistan to look for MIRVs to counter the ABM and dunno if Chinese will be willing to give them. Do the Chinese have MIRVs?
IDF
03-12-2006, 04:29
No, not currently. But I suspect the ABM would force Pakistan to look for MIRVs to counter the ABM and dunno if Chinese will be willing to give them. Do the Chinese have MIRVs?

I'm unsure if China has MIRVs. I don't believe so since most of their missiles seem to be like those of the 50s.

If India develops a good ABM, then I have no doubt Pakistan will try to get MIRVs.
Aryavartha
03-12-2006, 04:31
In order to be a superpower, you must have force projection capability. India does not have that.

India has a modest force projection - the best in the region including China. They have one Centaur class aircraft carrier (INS Viraat) in service. One Kiev class in refit (INS Vikramaditya / Admiral Gorshkov - Russian) and one being indigenously built (INS Vikrant).
Aryavartha
03-12-2006, 04:34
I'm unsure if China has MIRVs. I don't believe so since most of their missiles seem to be like those of the 50s.

If India develops a good ABM, then I have no doubt Pakistan will try to get MIRVs.

Yeah but given their level of science and tech, they won't be able to build one by themselves and will look for Chinese to proliferate. The Indians are banking on this not being allowed to happen because proliferating MIRVs to Pakistan would be something that cannot be given a blind eye like the Ghauri-NoDong thing anymore.....not after 9-11.
Allegheny County 2
03-12-2006, 04:34
India has a modest force projection - the best in the region including China. They have one Centaur class aircraft carrier (INS Viraat) in service. One Kiev class in refit (INS Vikramaditya / Admiral Gorshkov - Russian) and one being indigenously built (INS Vikrant).

They're a regional power. I will not dispute that, but compared with the United States, they are not an international superpower.
Aryavartha
03-12-2006, 04:37
They're a regional power. I will not dispute that, but compared with the United States, they are not an international superpower.

Of course. Not many Indians (except the extreme jingos) actually WANT India to become an international superpower a la US - including me. I am happy if we are unchallenged in our sphere of influence - the arc from east Africa - South Asia - Indonesian arc (Malaccan straits)....deter others from messing with us...that's all. live and let live and all that....
Allegheny County 2
03-12-2006, 04:38
Of course. Not many Indians (except the extreme jingos) actually WANT India to become an international superpower a la US - including me. I am happy if we are unchallenged in our sphere of influence - the arc from east Africa - South Asia - Indonesian arc (Malaccan straits)....deter others from messing with us...that's all.

That's perfectly cool. There are days when I wish that the United States was still just a regional power back before the days of World War II.
Aryavartha
03-12-2006, 04:54
I'm unsure if China has MIRVs. I don't believe so since most of their missiles seem to be like those of the 50s.

http://www.sinodefence.com/strategic/missile/df31.asp
says

The operational deployment of the DF-31 reportedly began in 2002/03, with 12 missiles in service so far. China also developed an improved model DF-31A with extended range of 10,000km, improved accuracy and multiple independently-targeted re-entry vehicle (MIRV) capability.

The DF-31 and its derivations represent significant improvement on the survivability and performance of the Chinese ballistic missile. The missile has the capability against both hardened missile silos and civilian population centres. The silo-based DF-31 has a reported accuracy of 100m CEP, which is sufficient to destroy hardened missile silos if equipped with one of the higher yield MIRV warheads
Andaluciae
03-12-2006, 04:55
Excellent. India joins the US in taking steps down the road to making nuclear missiles obsolete.
Almighty America
03-12-2006, 06:33
Its one thing to have ICBMs. Its another to be a superpower. In order to be a superpower, you must have force projection capability. India does not have that.
Accurate ICBMs are a deterrent in themselves, and even a way to advance India's interests if it wanted to play brinkmanship games. In addition, India is booming. It can easily acquire the technical advisers, doctrinal training, and military hardware to make it a superpower.
Allegheny County 2
03-12-2006, 14:26
Accurate ICBMs are a deterrent in themselves, and even a way to advance India's interests if it wanted to play brinkmanship games. In addition, India is booming. It can easily acquire the technical advisers, doctrinal training, and military hardware to make it a superpower.

It very well could however, it would not be in India's best interest to do so.
The Pacifist Womble
03-12-2006, 15:24
India shouldn't be wasting its money on weapons, when there are so many unhealthy and starving people in its country.

Such developments are also guaranteed to have Pakistan channelling more money into its defence budget, when it has similar problems with poverty, and also internal Islamic terrorists.