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The French aren't a bad people - they're not cowardly, idiotic or incompetent. They've had a rich history, and their language is extremely beautiful. They have a strong historical background, and they both had military strengths and weaknesses, just like every nation. Though people now and then keep belittling them, and I don't know why. Why do they?

And serious replies, guys. I know it's hard for some of you, but keep your quip of a tongue out of this thread, and I would appreciate it.

People (almost) always generalize and belittle others they don't understand or agree with, whether the "others" in question are Jews, homosexuals, blacks, or French. I bet only a very tiny minority of francophobes have even met a French person. If they had, or bothered to actually learn about France, they would be more open-minded and tolerant.

It's just a thing to do.. hell, I'd do it here if I could think of something clever..

I have no problem with the French themselves.. I don't think very many people honestly do. It's just tradition to feed the stereotype.

They belittle them because they had the balls to stand up to Bush and not go along with Iraq. To say different is just spin.

It's trendy and the talking voice on the radio told them to.

Its a national sport with no real menice meant. Our countries both have very colourful histories with each other so its hard not to.

They belittle them because they had the balls to stand up to Bush and not go along with Iraq. To say different is just spin.

Hmm, it goes back a little further than Iraq. Well a lot further actually.

Hmmm. I really have nothing against the French. Decent white peoples. Rich history. Great European art and culture.
However in recent history, the French have been poor soldiers, and more recently they have allowed themselves to be invaded 'for' multiculturalism, just like my state has.
Freedom of speech is mute in France, which makes me hesitant to endorse her,
but hey, nice revolution, and thanks for the statue.

Soviestan and Bookislvakia said it better than I.

It seems for a lot of people, there needs to be a scapegoat for generic making fun of. There's that part of town, for example. Or that other state. Nationwise, here in the US, that scapegoat winds up being France.

There's no real reason for it, other than the infantile clique gang-like behaviour people seem to want to mimic.

and btw...the term "Freedom Fries" or anything like it is insulting to American Patriots.
edit:
other than the infantile clique gang-like behaviour people seem to want to mimic.
that's a whole separate topic.

Hmmm. I really have nothing against the French. Decent white peoples.

I like that you're not afraid to be a racist, bigoted piece of white trash. It's refreshing to see a stand-up, out-with-it racist instead of all these closet cases who try to make like they're not.

and more recently they have allowed themselves to be invaded 'for' multiculturalism, just like my state has.

OHNOES TEH NON WHITE INVADERS11!

They belittle them because they had the balls to stand up to Bush and not go along with Iraq. To say different is just spin.

Eh.. the tradition is a bit older than President Bush.

I like that you're not afraid...

thank-ee'. I take that as a compliment, and not defend my economic or educational status. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, not to thread-jack, but multicult is a real danger. If you'd like to discuss this please confer in private message.

The Americans should realise that the French helped the US in their war of independence, and indeed helped further in the Treaty of Paris in which American independence was given. The French are products of the Enlightenment and it is truely the land of equality and freedom, they are very liberal and strongly independent in foreign policy and the like. In comparison to the conservative degeneration of the US, I can see why France would be their envy.

thank-ee'. I take that as a compliment, and not defend my economic or educational status. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, not to thread-jack, but multicult is a real danger. If you'd like to discuss this please confer in private message.

I'm not sure where you're going with the 'multiculture is a threat' argument.

thank-ee'. I take that as a compliment, and not defend my economic or educational status. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, not to thread-jack, but multicult is a real danger. If you'd like to discuss this please confer in private message.

Yes, non-whites are soooo dangerous. My half-brother, more than half of my friends, and even my adopted uncle and my g.f., are a menace to society. :rolleyes:

Go back to Stormfront and mingle with your fellow bigots, troll.

thank-ee' I take that as a compliment, and not defend my economic or educational status. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, not to thread-jack, but multicult is a real danger. If you'd like to discuss this please confer in private message.

Oh, why not tell the whole forum just how and why "multicult" is a real danger?

You're being so brave so far and I'd hate for you to stop just because you're afraid of the PC police or of "thread-jacking."

thank-ee'. I take that as a compliment, and not defend my economic or educational status. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, not to thread-jack, but multicult is a real danger. If you'd like to discuss this please confer in private message.

I'm not sure where you're going with the 'multiculture is a threat' argument.

Feel free to start your own thread though.

Because we can.

Because we can.

Tee-hee! "Because we can." You know, someone could use that excuse one day when raping your mother. I bet it wouldn't fly with you then though.

But But...I thought it was only Americans that were boorish enough to make fun of an obviously superior nation!

Because we can.

Ugh, push my buttons, are you? If you're being serious, then that is quite a weak logical argument.

Ugh, push my buttons, are you? If you're being serious, then that is quite a weak logical argument.

Did the world forget what verbal irony is?

I'm not sure where you're going with the 'multiculture is a threat' argument.
I wasn't going anywhere with it, I was inviting Greater Trostia to PM if s/he wanted to discuss is, since I'm such a miserable slime-bellied troll, that my typings arent suited for the board.

I think it's a left over from being, at one point in time, British. Once we made nice with the UK again, we just liked to bash the French for some reason.

Did the world forget what verbal irony is?

People are silly. They are so caught up with being right and PC, they forget to laugh at anything.


Here is my reason for belittling the French:

Because we can...and because they are french;)

Hows that for an answer?

I wasn't going anywhere with it, I was inviting Greater Trostia to PM if s/he wanted to discuss is, since I'm such a miserable slime-bellied troll, that my typings arent suited for the board.

Oh come on. You know we'd love to hear it. :)

People belittle the French as cowards, because they supposedly haven't won any wars. Neither have the Germans, though.

Because they are cheese eating surrender monkeys!!!!:D

Yes, non-whites are soooo dangerous. My half-brother, more than half of my friends, and even my adopted uncle and my g.f., are a menace to society. :rolleyes:

Go back to Stormfront and mingle with your fellow bigots, troll.

WS seems to be a lot of things. But troll isn't one of them. Matter of fact, he's been alot more polite and willing to debate than your comments suggest you are.

If you don't want to debate him on the subject, I can understand that, hell, I have no interest in doing so myself. But sitting there and insulting him and calling him names makes you look like the troll here.

Just my opinion.

I read this thread title as "why do people begin to Felch?"


Thats what 3 in the morning does to you.

I read this thread title as "why do people begin to Felch?"


Thats what 3 in the morning does to you.

LOL:D

I can't explain exactly why, but it has something to do with Jerry Lewis.

Maybe it's because I think they actually like him. That's simply unacceptable.

Or it could be that they only like him because he represents the 'American Buffon'. Which would tick me off even more.

Come to think of it, I just hate Jerry Lewis. Martin was cool, though. :D

I read this thread title as "why do people begin to Felch?"


Thats what 3 in the morning does to you.

ROFL

I fare better than you. :)

For me, it's because the fromage eating surrender monkeys tested nuclear devices in my hemisphere less than 10 years ago, when they didn't need to.

If not for that I'd have a lot of time for them. Very strong labour unions, don't allow themselves to be bullied by the US in to supporting unjust wars, etc.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/victories.html

LOL! Someone had to post it.

I think people make fun of the French in the same way they use regional stereotypes within in their own countries, it's easy and it's abit of fun.

Obviously there are some people who, genuinely, hate the French for being French. Like there are some people who hate 'blacks' for their skin colour, gays for their sexuality and women for... well, whatever it is chauvinists hate women for. There will, unfortunatly, always be those who seek to discriminate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Austerlitz

For people from the UK it is traditional for both countries to belittle and make fun of each other. Generally no harm is meant on either side.

Americans seem more likely to belittle them because they stand up to the US more than any other european country and won't be bossed about.

Not sure about the reasons behind the rest of the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Friedland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Friedland

What's your point? All battles are won by a tricky Corsican.

What's your point? All battles are won by a tricky Corsican.

So by that logic their is no such thing as an American, just European immigrants and the like?
The army was French, and Corsica were Franco/Italians but were part of the French Republic.

Why do people belittle the French?


Because they're french. ;)

The Americans have always teased the french, and I'm reasonably sure the french have always teased the americans. I think it's gotten a bit barbed since Iraq, and that's unfortunate. I hope relations with our allies gets a bit less strained, because it'll be nice to tease the french again without people blowing a gasket. *nod*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Austerlitz

If that was a response to the 'military victories' thing, I wasn't, fairly obviously, wasn't being serious. Hence the 'LOL!'

If you want genuine criticism of the french:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Agricultural_Policy#CAP_financing_set_up_to_benefit_France

Followed by:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Agricultural_Policy#Anti-development

Particularly:

CAP increases Third World poverty by putting Third World farmers out of business. According to the Human Development Report 2003 in 2000 the average dairy cow in the EU received $913 in subsidies, compared with an average of $8 per person in Sub-Saharan Africa.

Because they are cheese eating surrender monkeys!!!!:D

You blouse-wearing buttercup!

Because they're french. ;)

The Americans have always teased the french, and I'm reasonably sure the french have always teased the americans. I think it's gotten a bit barbed since Iraq, and that's unfortunate. I hope relations with our allies gets a bit less strained, because it'll be nice to tease the french again without people blowing a gasket. *nod*

You saved me some keystrokes. Thanks.

The French aren't a bad people - they're not cowardly, idiotic or incompetent. They've had a rich history, and their language is extremely beautiful. They have a strong historical background, and they both had military strengths and weaknesses, just like every nation. Though people now and then keep belittling them, and I don't know why. Why do they?

And serious replies, guys. I know it's hard for some of you, but keep your quip of a tongue out of this thread, and I would appreciate it.

Look at you!
You are the answer.
You want, you impose, do this, do that...
How could you see the world with such eyes?

French are suckers, I know, and their force is they see you the same way you see them.
Money is not of the essence, art is not money, Carpe Diem is the word.

Since the Romans age the Gauls have been trouble for thus who want to conquer the world.
Be humble, let them be the dominators and they are adorable...

Yes French are of no interest. Forget that crazy country and stupid people. You'll find them nice when away from you. A bit like French love Usians ... Away from them.

Britain and France had a long history of military opposition so it is uderstandable why those of English decent would slag them off.

America does because they like WWI and WWII jokes.

I do for both reasons but will also have a go at the Italians for the latter.

Why do people belittle the French?That's only the defiant/desperate reaction of US-Americans who finally realize that it is in fact not the French who are looked down on by the rest of the world.

The French & English thing is historical. The two countries have a long tradition of kicking the shit out of each other & laughing at each other.

The US thing is projection, methinks. They can't say all the things they need to say about themselves, because that'd conflict with the double-think they've got going on, soo they say it about others instead. France apparently got the honour because of a Simpsons episode.

The French aren't a bad people - they're not cowardly, idiotic or incompetent. They've had a rich history, and their language is extremely beautiful. They have a strong historical background, and they both had military strengths and weaknesses, just like every nation. Though people now and then keep belittling them, and I don't know why. Why do they?

- There incompetence in both WW1 and WW2 lead to Britan having to send troops to stop them geting completely conquered or to liberate them when they had been

- There economic structure is increadably backward, with 25% of its workforce still in agriculture and all using increadably inefficent practises in order simply to keep its workforce artifically well off

- Its agricultural subsidies (the CAP was basicly their idea) is keeping them in this ineffiecent stead and is also killing off lots of African economies by A) Making french food & crops etc so cheep that many Africans prefer to buy French than from their own people and B) They make such huge surplusses and they sell these undercutting all the African sellers

Just some reasons there

- There incompetence in both WW1 and WW2 lead to Britan having to send troops to stop them geting completely conquered or to liberate them when they had been

- There economic structure is increadably backward, with 25% of its workforce still in agriculture and all using increadably inefficent practises in order simply to keep its workforce artifically well off

- Its agricultural subsidies (the CAP was basicly their idea) is keeping them in this ineffiecent stead and is also killing off lots of African economies by A) Making french food & crops etc so cheep that many Africans prefer to buy French than from their own people and B) They make such huge surplusses and they sell these undercutting all the African sellers

Just some reasons there

And which of these reasons makes them any more deserving of insults than other countries. Everywhere has its problems. Where France is performing badly in one area it will be better in another compared to others.

And which of these reasons makes them any more deserving of insults than other countries. Everywhere has its problems. Where France is performing badly in one area it will be better in another compared to others.

I believe it was asked "Why do people belittle the French", not "why do people belitle the french more than other countries". I just gave answers to the former, not the latter. The WW1&2 points are particually pertinant, being the main global conflicts of the 20th century. The fact the French failed rather badly in both is symbolism of many things.

There is also the hypocaracy of the French, claiming to be seriously into the international order, the reason being why they do not want to help in Iraq, yet they maintain 8000 odd troops in and around sub saharan Africa and Algeria.

Also are the french perfoming better? Care to give an expample?

Americans make fun of the French because of the British. The British make fun of their shared history and because they are so much alike. Seriously, almost every bad adjective the Brits use for the French, the French say about the Brits. Rude, arrogant, lazy, etc.


However in recent history, the French have been poor soldiers, and more recently they have allowed themselves to be invaded 'for' multiculturalism, just like my state has.
Freedom of speech is mute in France, which makes me hesitant to endorse her,
but hey, nice revolution, and thanks for the statue.

Multiculturalist? The French? Are you serious? The whole model of immigration is based on the idea that immigrants need to adopt the French way of life. It hasn't worked completely because of some fluctuations of policies and because that is longer process rather than one or two generations.

- There economic structure is increadably backward, with 25% of its workforce still in agriculture and all using increadably inefficent practises in order simply to keep its workforce artifically well off

- Its agricultural subsidies (the CAP was basicly their idea) is keeping them in this ineffiecent stead and is also killing off lots of African economies by A) Making french food & crops etc so cheep that many Africans prefer to buy French than from their own people and B) They make such huge surplusses and they sell these undercutting all the African sellers

Just some reasons there

Umm... no, only 4% of the French workforce is involved in the agricultural sector. Yes, they are by far the biggest agricultural producer in Europe by far, but about three quarters are employed in the service sector.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/fr.html#Econ

Even though, CAP is outdated now, it was a founding principle at the creation of the EEC because at the time the French thought they wouldn't be able to complete with German industry so they want to protect where they thought they were strong at the time. The French want CAP for a couple of big reason because getting rid of it destroys one of the big principles of the founding treaty and because unlike the UK, they don't get a rebate on what they pay into the EU. If the UK got rid of its rebate or cut it substantially, the French would be more than willing to move CAP reform. The French has made it very clear, if CAP is up for debate, so must be the UK rebate, but I don't see that happening. I am not defending CAP, I agree it is bad for the developing world, but that is just how politics works. You can't expect someone to give in something if you aren't willing to do so as well.

The French aren't a bad people - they're not cowardly, idiotic or incompetent. They've had a rich history, and their language is extremely beautiful. They have a strong historical background, and they both had military strengths and weaknesses, just like every nation. Though people now and then keep belittling them, and I don't know why. Why do they?

And serious replies, guys. I know it's hard for some of you, but keep your quip of a tongue out of this thread, and I would appreciate it.

Their language is slums talk of latin and they are fascists claiming to be epitome of human rights and shiny fluffy stuff.

They belittle them because they had the balls to stand up to Bush and not go along with Iraq. To say different is just spin.
Oh shut up. Everyone knows that french-bashing started long before that. God, you convert to the Religion-of-total-warfare like a week ago and now you are "The Holy one who must stand up for his muslim breathern".:rolleyes:

Its annoying everyone, go move to Saudi Arabia.

Americans make fun of the French because of the British. The British make fun of their shared history and because they are so much alike. Seriously, almost every bad adjective the Brits use for the French, the French say about the Brits. Rude, arrogant, lazy, etc.



Multiculturalist? The French? Are you serious? The whole model of immigration is based on the idea that immigrants need to adopt the French way of life. It hasn't worked completely because of some fluctuations of policies and because that is longer process rather than one or two generations.



Umm... no, only 4% of the French workforce is involved in the agricultural sector. Yes, they are by far the biggest agricultural producer in Europe by far, but about three quarters are employed in the service sector.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/fr.html#Econ

Even though, CAP is outdated now, it was a founding principle at the creation of the EEC because at the time the French thought they wouldn't be able to complete with German industry so they want to protect where they thought they were strong at the time. The French want CAP for a couple of big reason because getting rid of it destroys one of the big principles of the founding treaty and because unlike the UK, they don't get a rebate on what they pay into the EU. If the UK got rid of its rebate or cut it substantially, the French would be more than willing to move CAP reform. The French has made it very clear, if CAP is up for debate, so must be the UK rebate, but I don't see that happening. I am not defending CAP, I agree it is bad for the developing world, but that is just how politics works. You can't expect someone to give in something if you aren't willing to do so as well.

The UK rebate was up for debate a little while back, but the French made clear that the CAP wasn't.

The French aren't a bad people - they're not cowardly, idiotic or incompetent. They've had a rich history, and their language is extremely beautiful. They have a strong historical background, and they both had military strengths and weaknesses, just like every nation. Though people now and then keep belittling them, and I don't know why. Why do they?

And serious replies, guys. I know it's hard for some of you, but keep your quip of a tongue out of this thread, and I would appreciate it.

The general stereotype of the french is a group of people that are arrogant and belittle every other countries achievments. Because people really haven't met French people in order to dispel this stereotype, they tend to make generalizations.

Oh shut up. Everyone knows that french-bashing started long before that. God, you convert to the Religion-of-total-warfare like a week ago and now you are "The Holy one who must stand up for his muslim breathern".:rolleyes:

Its annoying everyone, go move to Saudi Arabia.

Yep, I personally think the stereotype started during the Napoleon years, when the french refused to see our ministers. and of course our culture relates to the Brits, who've had a very strong rivalry with the French.

They belittle them because they had the balls to stand up to Bush and not go along with Iraq. To say different is just spin.

Absolutely incorrect. We've had a low opinion of the french since WWII and even before that we were still pretty annoyed with them as a people.

They belittle them because they had the balls to stand up to Bush and not go along with Iraq. To say different is just spin.

Then how come during the days of Charles de Gaulle, the populations of both countries took great pride in constant mockery of each other as well?

Because the Russians Are better:)
I just make fun of the french because of how many times they've been taken over:D

Here's an Age old classic.
1 Go to google.
2.Type in "French Military Victories".
3.Click "I'm feeling lucky"
4.ENJOY!!

We belittle them because the French are the only people in the world who are more arrogant than Americans.

In England, it is because of history. The French and English butted heads alot in history. (i.e. Napoleon, hundred years war, French and indian war, American Revolution, etc.)

We belittle them because the French are the only people in the world who are more arrogant than Americans.

I sort of doubt they are THAT arrogant!

The UK rebate was up for debate a little while back, but the French made clear that the CAP wasn't.

The UK's offer wasn't enough of the rebate that is why there was only limited reforms to CAP to be made with an agreement to reconsider the budget with everything on the table, including more of CAP and the remaining rebate again in 2008.

Then how come during the days of Charles de Gaulle, the populations of both countries took great pride in constant mockery of each other as well?

Oh, speaking of De Gaulle, I forgot to mention how they refused to join the Nato treaty during the cold war when we liberated them in WWII.

Oh, speaking of De Gaulle, I forgot to mention how they refused to join the Nato treaty during the cold war when we liberated them in WWII.

Yes France was liberated. It wouldnt exactly be a liberation if they were expected to do everything expected of them by their liberators. They are allowed their own choices

The French aren't a bad people - they're not cowardly, idiotic or incompetent. They've had a rich history, and their language is extremely beautiful. They have a strong historical background, and they both had military strengths and weaknesses, just like every nation. Though people now and then keep belittling them, and I don't know why. Why do they?

And serious replies, guys. I know it's hard for some of you, but keep your quip of a tongue out of this thread, and I would appreciate it.

For starters "It's easy".
The French are (much like Americans) Arrogant about their accomplishments, and culture.

I believe most Americans mock the French because we dont like looking the mirror. Ignoring political tripe, and speaking on a human level.

The French make no bones about courtesy, what they consider manners are manners and what consider manners are unimportant if it isnt French...subsitute French for American in the above sentence and it follows.

The French consider themselves to have the have the best of most things...French for American again.

And so forth and so on ad infinitum ...
Also, and most importantly humor is mocking, it requires a target, and the French fill the role of "straight man" nicely.

I have no problem with the French, I am not impressed by their cuisine though their pastry is excellent, wine is for washing your feet with, and the Language has to be the ugliest of the latin languages---proper spoken french sounds like someone gargaling chicken fat. I prefer Russian.

However, I respecting the French I have no difficulting in doing....one need only look at what they have done and try to do to have a respect for them.

I do admit however they do mistreat emmigrants, and the muslim minority...but hey nobodies perfect.

For me a good french joke is just a joke.

And while we are asking questions how about you start a thread asking about people who pick on the Polish?

Yes France was liberated. It wouldnt exactly be a liberation if they were expected to do everything expected of them by their liberators. They are allowed their own choices

Hey, I don't neccesarily agree with that assumption but thats one of the reasons Americans dislike the French.

Hey, I hey don't neccesarily agree with that assumption but thats one of the reasons Americans dislike the French.

Fairy Nuff

The French aren't a bad people - they're not cowardly, idiotic or incompetent. They've had a rich history, and their language is extremely beautiful. They have a strong historical background, and they both had military strengths and weaknesses, just like every nation. Though people now and then keep belittling them, and I don't know why. Why do they?

And serious replies, guys. I know it's hard for some of you, but keep your quip of a tongue out of this thread, and I would appreciate it.

The French I have met have fallen into two categories: amazingly warm and funny people, and absolute arrogant turds. Fortunately I've met far, FAR more of the former and very few of the latter.

Perhaps people like taking swipes at others they assume are arrogant?

They belittle them because they had the balls to stand up to Bush and not go along with Iraq. To say different is just spin.

Incorrect. They have had this stereotype of the French as a bit silly, and "cheese eating surrender monkeys" long before Bush -- I can remember it 30 years ago. Examples being: Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975), History of the World: Part I (1981)

But thanks for playing.

And while we are asking questions how about you start a thread asking about people who pick on the Polish?

Why so we can make fun of them? J/k :D

It seems for a lot of people, there needs to be a scapegoat for generic making fun of. There's that part of town, for example. Or that other state. Nationwise, here in the US, that scapegoat winds up being France.

There's no real reason for it, other than the infantile clique gang-like behaviour people seem to want to mimic.

Right, because the English and the French have not been taking jabs at each other for pretty much all of their history... you know, where the English called syphillis the "french disease" and all that. It's all America. Naughty 'Merkins, the source of all things naughty.

But again, thanks for the assumption.

Why so we can make fun of them? J/k :D
Of course I hadnt considered that!!!
No seriously.

I met a woman at my children's school who had a lovely young daughter, the mother was Polish.
I asked "You are teaching her Polish yes? Being bilingual is a great asset no matter the language."

SHe replied "Oh no, I dont even want her to know she is Polish."

I had to hold my tongue as I am very "into" heritage.

While on delivery route route I did a delivery to hotel by the airport, all the workers seemed to have an similar accent when I enquired as to where the manager was originally from she replied "Europe"
I said "Europe is a big place what part?"
"Not France"

"Ok but where are you from."

SHe dodged the question some more and i took the hint, when leaving I ask a worker there with a similar accent, who replied "Polish" I then asked aboutthe manager, the worker explained that she was ashamed of being Polish because whenever she told anyone she was Polish they treated as if she was stupid...unfortunately it seems that while the French may let jokes run off their back, at least where I live Polish people are truly effected by this brand of Humor---note I have never met a Polish American who was ashamed of being a "Pollock".

unfortunately it seems that while the French may let jokes run off their back, at least where I live Polish people are truly effected by this brand of Humor

Over this summer I was working in a call centre and quite a few of my co-workers were Polish. They were all good sports and gave as good as they got. Although it is hard to use vodka jokes against them when you're Irish and they know plenty of whiskey jokes

I believe it was asked "Why do people belittle the French"

Indeed. And given that more than just the US likes to tease them, it amazes me that this has become the "'Mericans are jealous/boorish/desperate" whatever thread.

Of course I hadnt considered that!!!
No seriously.

I met a woman at my children's school who had a lovely young daughter, the mother was Polish.
I asked "You are teaching her Polish yes? Being bilingual is a great asset no matter the language."

SHe replied "Oh no, I dont even want her to know she is Polish."

I had to hold my tongue as I am very "into" heritage.

While on delivery route route I did a delivery to hotel by the airport, all the workers seemed to have an similar accent when I enquired as to where the manager was originally from she replied "Europe"
I said "Europe is a big place what part?"
"Not France"

"Ok but where are you from."

SHe dodged the question some more and i took the hint, when leaving I ask a worker there with a similar accent, who replied "Polish" I then asked aboutthe manager, the worker explained that she was ashamed of being Polish because whenever she told anyone she was Polish they treated as if she was stupid...unfortunately it seems that while the French may let jokes run off their back, at least where I live Polish people are truly effected by this brand of Humor---note I have never met a Polish American who was ashamed of being a "Pollock".

I'm sorry for the problems you've expeirienced. Its just that I live in a town with a large polish population and most the polish people I've met are extremely obnoxious.

The French aren't a bad people - they're not cowardly, idiotic or incompetent. They've had a rich history, and their language is extremely beautiful. They have a strong historical background, and they both had military strengths and weaknesses, just like every nation. Though people now and then keep belittling them, and I don't know why. Why do they?


Envy... Plus - in the US - french refusal of partecipating to the latest invasion of Iraq (they were part of the coalition back in 1991). All that silly behaviour like "Freedom Fries" instead of "French Fries"... (and they're not French, they're Belgian!).

Indeed. And given that more than just the US likes to tease them, it amazes me that this has become the "'Mericans are jealous/boorish/desperate" whatever thread.Yeah, the question was why, and the answer is "'Mericans are jealous/boorish/desperate" whatever.

I live in Detroit, it has an entire section called "Poltown" the cty was built by Irish(Hence -Corktown) and Poles. My propblem is that new Poles to the area seem to really believe Americans think all Polish people are stupid. Perhaps where you see obnoxious behavior is really a cultural difference which you are not bearing enough patience with the person at hand.
I am not Polish bythe way I am Irish, and yes I am indeed drunk.

Yeah, the question was why, and the answer is "'Mericans are jealous/boorish/desperate" whatever.

No, actually the question was not just directed at Americans, it was directed at anyone who had a problem with the French. Read the first post.

Over this summer I was working in a call centre and quite a few of my co-workers were Polish. They were all good sports and gave as good as they got. Although it is hard to use vodka jokes against them when you're Irish and they know plenty of whiskey jokes

You live in Ireland though dont you?
I believe the problem I am talking baout is local to my area, I know Ireland has a LOT of Polish workers.
I dont know, maybe I am just running into all the Poles with low selfesteem, but come to think of it, I only find this happening with women.

I live in Detroit, it has an entire section called "Poltown" the cty was built by Irish(Hence -Corktown) and Poles. My propblem is that new Poles to the area seem to really believe Americans think all Polish people are stupid. Perhaps where you see obnoxious behavior is really a cultural difference which you are not bearing enough patience with the person at hand.
I am not Polish bythe way I am Irish, and yes I am indeed drunk.

Thats probably true considering I have almost zero tolerance for what I consider obnixious behavior.

No problem with French; I have a problem with the mimes.

Thats probably true considering I have almost zero tolerance for what I consider obnixious behavior.

I suffer the same malody.

No, actually the question was not just directed at Americans, it was directed at anyone who had a problem with the French. Read the first post.Who has a problem with the French except Americans?

You live in Ireland though dont you?
I believe the problem I am talking baout is local to my area, I know Ireland has a LOT of Polish workers.
I dont know, maybe I am just running into all the Poles with low selfesteem, but come to think of it, I only find this happening with women.

Indeed I do (although Scotland during Uni time)

Yeah it is only my personal experience and maybe it does differ in different areas but that is probably due to the area not the Poles

No problem with French; I have a problem with the mimes.

Damn mimes are the bane of my existence...

Who has a problem with the French except Americans?

Where have you been for the last 70 years? The whole of Europe mocks the French....Good ol NSG everything is America's fault.

Who has a problem with the French except Americans?

the brits, the vietnamese, the algerians, Haitians, and basically any country which was a former colony of Frances'.

Where have you been for the last 70 years? The whole of Europe mocks the French....Good ol NSG everything is America's fault.

Yep even Poland.

the brits, the vietnamese, the algerians, Haitians, and basically any country which was a former colony of Frances'.But they don't belittle the French. Only American morons do that.

Yep even Poland.Those with all the stolen German Mercedeses?

But they don't belittle the French. Only American morons do that.

Wrong. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500014 And also theres the fact, as previously stated, that the British said syphillis was a French disease.

The UK's offer wasn't enough of the rebate that is why there was only limited reforms to CAP to be made with an agreement to reconsider the budget with everything on the table, including more of CAP and the remaining rebate again in 2008.

The UK refused to negotiate getting rid of the rebate unless there was major CAP reform. That was refused, so negotiation of the majority of the rebate was rejected. As it was the rebate was reduced 20%

Yeah, the question was why, and the answer is "'Mericans are jealous/boorish/desperate" whatever.

Or perhaps your jealousy, boorishness, and desperation leads you to insult Americans endlessly. So sad.

Envy... Plus - in the US - french refusal of partecipating to the latest invasion of Iraq (they were part of the coalition back in 1991). All that silly behaviour like "Freedom Fries" instead of "French Fries"... (and they're not French, they're Belgian!).

Read the rest of the thread to the answer to your first assumption.
Annnnnd, that idiocy about freedom fries was not widespread. How many people do you think eat in the dining room of Washington government offices, or in the White House?

But they don't belittle the French. Only American morons do that.

Wrong. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500014 And also theres the fact, as previously stated, that the British said syphillis was a French disease.

Why let actual facts get in the way of bigotry and lack of reading comprehension, though?

The French aren't a bad people - they're not cowardly, idiotic or incompetent. They've had a rich history, and their language is extremely beautiful. They have a strong historical background, and they both had military strengths and weaknesses, just like every nation. Though people now and then keep belittling them, and I don't know why. Why do they?

And serious replies, guys. I know it's hard for some of you, but keep your quip of a tongue out of this thread, and I would appreciate it.

I think a lot of it has to do with the French themselves, actually. Or more specifically, the downright scizophrenic national and international policies they've adopted post Cold War; like on one hand, originally being one of the loudest voices in Europe saying "Invade Iraq now" to the UN, and also being one of the largest sources of weapons sold in violation of the very same mentioned UN resolutions. Yeah, it's a real shocker why they suddenly changed their minds there...

Or consistently saying that they want multiculturism, then banning religious insignia; can't have it both ways people.

So, to put my post in a nutshell? Why make fun of the French? Same reason we make fun of politicians. They're all over the place.

France is the hereditary enemy of England, the two being just across the channel from one another and the foes in some of Europe's most influential wars.

American culture is derived in large part from English culture, and the old attitudes have come to us that way.

The French aren't a bad people - they're not cowardly, idiotic or incompetent. They've had a rich history, and their language is extremely beautiful. They have a strong historical background, and they both had military strengths and weaknesses, just like every nation. Though people now and then keep belittling them, and I don't know why. Why do they?

And serious replies, guys. I know it's hard for some of you, but keep your quip of a tongue out of this thread, and I would appreciate it.


They havent won a war since a corsican led them into combat.

Oh, speaking of De Gaulle, I forgot to mention how they refused to join the Nato treaty during the cold war when we liberated them in WWII.

France was a founding member of NATO. They pulled out of the integrated command of NATO in 1958 but still was under the bit that compels all NATO members to defend each other if one is attacked. They never completed removed themselves from NATO. Why would it matter if they had? You said yourself that you "liberated" them, surely that means they are/were to do as they pleased. If not, it is colonisation, not liberation.

The UK refused to negotiate getting rid of the rebate unless there was major CAP reform. That was refused, so negotiation of the majority of the rebate was rejected. As it was the rebate was reduced 20%

Yes, and there were limited CAP reforms as well. No increase in real terms until 2013, which means as the new members are phrased into CAP, the original members will get less than they used to because these countries have an bigger agricultural workforce. As well, there has been lowering in the guaranteed price of sugar beets, which is one of the biggest parts of CAP. Minor change in the British rebate means only minor changes in CAP.

They havent won a war since a corsican led them into combat.

Damn, thats a low blow.

Us brits have an excuse. Being as ever since 1066 we've been at war with France (OK, it really goes back to before Caesar but since Britain itself has been a pretty stable entity since the Normans took over* it's as good a place as any to start) usually kicking their ass and occasionally saving it.

OK so that's mild exaggeration but it's still one of the oldest national divides in the world. Germany's only properly existed for a tenth of the time Britain and Frace have been at each other for example.

And since Britain conquered large slabs of the world it naturally left it's mark around.


*Alright so we didn't get Scotland or Ireland until a lot later, their problem

France was a founding member of NATO. They pulled out of the integrated command of NATO in 1958 but still was under the bit that compels all NATO members to defend each other if one is attacked. They never completed removed themselves from NATO. Why would it matter if they had? You said yourself that you "liberated" them, surely that means they are/were to do as they pleased. If not, it is colonisation, not liberation.

As I previously stated, this is a consistent American opinion, not mine.

Yes, and there were limited CAP reforms as well. No increase in real terms until 2013, which means as the new members are phrased into CAP, the original members will get less than they used to because these countries have an bigger agricultural workforce. As well, there has been lowering in the guaranteed price of sugar beets, which is one of the biggest parts of CAP. Minor change in the British rebate means only minor changes in CAP.

True. The argument is who is refusing to budge. The biased British view is that it's the French refusing to majorly re-negotiate the CAP therefore we must hold on to the rebate.

The Americans should realise that the French helped the US in their war of independence, and indeed helped further in the Treaty of Paris in which American independence was given. The French are products of the Enlightenment and it is truely the land of equality and freedom, they are very liberal and strongly independent in foreign policy and the like. In comparison to the conservative degeneration of the US, I can see why France would be their envy.

If France is truely the land of equality, why are all religious symbols, ie the hijab, the turban etc banned EXCEPT a small crucifix? Why were there so many riots last year because ethnic minorities in France felt victimised? Answer that and stay fashionable. :cool:

It would be easy to say that what causes all the problems in countries like this are the ethnic minorities, but this is not the case. The real problem is extremist views, on all sides! Small minorities of people think violence is the answer to everything, and it's really not. It only causes prejudiced opinions based on misleading information and racial hatred. It'd be so much easier for people to get along if they understood others. I read somwhere that Stephen Spielberg plans to give video cameras to the Palestinians and Israelis, so they film everday life and swap videos. This is to help both sides understand all they want is peace, and to help stop the conflict. Sorry, I've wanted to say this for a long, long time. Hopefully the long rant there makes sense :) :p

Like so many others have said, it's a love-hate relationship between Brits and the French. I like France and the French people, but it's tradition to make fun of the French. They do it too! As long as it's not malicious it's not a problem; it just shows both countries have a friendly rivalry. Britain also has a friendly rivalry with Australia about sport, yet no one says we're belittling the Australians with banter.

People (almost) always generalize and belittle others they don't understand or agree with, whether the "others" in question are Jews, homosexuals, blacks, or French. I bet only a very tiny minority of francophobes have even met a French person. If they had, or bothered to actually learn about France, they would be more open-minded and tolerant.

Speaking as someone who has lived and worked in France and with the french, has a huge love of their love of architecture, their love of food (and a love of the food, I might add!), their wine culture and alround laidbackness...

I reserve the right to call them cowardly lazy little so-and-sos :p

They did precious little in the first world war, and bugger all in the second. Their workers think they are owed a living and actually having to work is just a huge inconvenience imposed up on *them*.. They still think the world owes them undying gratidude for democracy, the Statue of Liberty and the languge of diplomacy. And deep down, they're still a little put out that Napoloean got his arse kicked. Twice.

But I wouldn't change them for the world - where would the fun be in that!?

P.S. The above of course is a huge generalisation. I do know brave hard-working frenchmen (and women) - but as a culture they are lazy and would rather let someone else do the fighting for them (I think they were principally opposed to Iraq, because it would interupted mundane dinner conversation and caused indigestion - the scourge of all frenchmen.

Or perhaps your jealousy, boorishness, and desperation leads you to insult Americans endlessly. So sad.No. The Americans I know lead me to that. And my experiences with Americans in forums. They just suck. And of course American politics/policies and those responsible for those politics/policies, the voters. Afghanistan, Iraq, Hollywood, Bush, Mormons, school shootings, ghetto kids, gang violence, dubious elections, bad environmental politics, waste of energy, etc etc
Americanization is now the globally used term for basically all bad developments. And the reason for that is not just bias or prejudice. The American Dream has become a nightmare.

The French aren't a bad people - they're not cowardly, idiotic or incompetent. They've had a rich history, and their language is extremely beautiful. They have a strong historical background, and they both had military strengths and weaknesses, just like every nation. Though people now and then keep belittling them, and I don't know why. Why do they?

And serious replies, guys. I know it's hard for some of you, but keep your quip of a tongue out of this thread, and I would appreciate it.

I think we have all had a rich history when you go back far enough. Depends what you consider to be rich. I don't like the language much, but that is just my opinion. I don't belittle them.

It's fun and easy. Like most French women. Ba-dum-psh.

Honestly, though, I don't have anything against the people themselves. Their government? Perhaps... not the people, though.

Because they're all gay and Frenchy, and have icky moustaches!
sarcasm

No. The Americans I know lead me to that. And my experiences with Americans in forums. They just suck. And of course American politics/policies and those responsible for those politics/policies, the voters. Afghanistan, Iraq, Hollywood, Bush, Mormons,

Being the Birthplace of democracy, saving france (twice), defeating a mad dictator with the capabilities to conqueor the world (hitler), wining the cold war against a backward government, making japan and Germany two of the most succesful nations in the world, rebuilding all of Western Europe after WWII, making up most of the UN forces, Starting the UN, Attempting to stop the Abusive treatment of Germany after WWI at the hands of France. The list goes on and on.

So by that logic their is no such thing as an American, just European immigrants and the like?
Correct.
The army was French, and Corsica were Franco/Italians but were part of the French Republic.
The fact remains Napoleon was a Corsican, and he masterminded the French victories. He declared himself a Frenchman, he became their Emperor, but he was still a Corsican.

That aside, I don't really see any reason to bash the French anymore than other groups of people. They kept our cousins in the British Isles off our derrieres long enough to get our little New World party set in motion.

True. The argument is who is refusing to budge. The biased British view is that it's the French refusing to majorly re-negotiate the CAP therefore we must hold on to the rebate.

I think they are both at fault. Neither wants to budge first so nothing will happened until they are forced to do something. That is coming from someone that spends most of her time in between the two countries but pays taxes in the biggest contributor nation.

If France is truely the land of equality, why are all religious symbols, ie the hijab, the turban etc banned EXCEPT a small crucifix?

A visible crucifix is banned no matter the size. If you wear a cross necklace, you have to keep it under your shirt, you could do the same with a star of David necklace, hand of Fatima necklace, etc. Nothing visible is allowed.

Hmm, it goes back a little further than Iraq. Well a lot further actually.
I think he means the widespread francophobia in the USA, rather than in the UK.

No. The Americans I know lead me to that. And my experiences with Americans in forums. They just suck. And of course American politics/policies and those responsible for those politics/policies, the voters. Afghanistan, Iraq, Hollywood, Bush, Mormons, school shootings, ghetto kids, gang violence, dubious elections, bad environmental politics, waste of energy, etc etc
Americanization is now the globally used term for basically all bad developments. And the reason for that is not just bias or prejudice. The American Dream has become a nightmare.

Right. And all Germans are just beer-swilling Nazis. They just suck. :rolleyes:

So, I talked to an expert on European history, and here's what she had to say:

During World War 1:

5 million acres of French farmland was totally destroyed, some of it so full of lead and toxic chemicals that it's useless to this day.

Every, single, family in France lost a member during the war.

1.3 million fatalities for French soldiers.

1.3 million completely disable and unable to work.

45-50% of the male population was dead or unable to work.

Around 30% of the total population of France was dead.

To this day, visitors at Verdun are warned to stay on the marked paths, because there's a chance of stepping on live munitions.

20 years prior to World War 1, the Franco-Prussian wars were being fought. France did well, but they didn't win.



So, before you go about bashing the French again, try to think about what it would be like to grow up without a grandfather, or an uncle, or even possibly your father. This is the rule, not the exception. Not only did you grow up without one or all of these men, everyone you know is the same way.

No. The Americans I know lead me to that. And my experiences with Americans in forums. They just suck. And of course American politics/policies and those responsible for those politics/policies, the voters. Afghanistan, Iraq, Hollywood, Bush, Mormons, school shootings, ghetto kids, gang violence, dubious elections, bad environmental politics, waste of energy, etc etc
Americanization is now the globally used term for basically all bad developments. And the reason for that is not just bias or prejudice. The American Dream has become a nightmare.

Americanization also means you get Zatarains Black Beans and Rice, one of the most amazing food products in the world.

Anyways, Americanization/globalization isn't something that the United States forces on other countries, it's voluntary. It's a market-based approach. The only reason it's successful is because the masses like it.

Hey there are sane people left in the world! Vive la France!

Being the Birthplace of democracy, saving france (twice), defeating a mad dictator with the capabilities to conqueor the world (hitler), wining the cold war against a backward government, making japan and Germany two of the most succesful nations in the world, rebuilding all of Western Europe after WWII, making up most of the UN forces, Starting the UN, Attempting to stop the Abusive treatment of Germany after WWI at the hands of France. The list goes on and on.

You fail at history

No. The Americans I know lead me to that. And my experiences with Americans in forums. They just suck. And of course American politics/policies and those responsible for those politics/policies, the voters. Afghanistan, Iraq, Hollywood, Bush, Mormons, school shootings, ghetto kids, gang violence, dubious elections, bad environmental politics, waste of energy, etc etc
Americanization is now the globally used term for basically all bad developments. And the reason for that is not just bias or prejudice. The American Dream has become a nightmare.

We're not all bad. We invented the muffin. :)

Le French are belittled cuz some people are just plain jealous.

The French aren't a bad people - they're not cowardly, idiotic or incompetent. They've had a rich history, and their language is extremely beautiful. They have a strong historical background, and they both had military strengths and weaknesses, just like every nation. Though people now and then keep belittling them, and I don't know why. Why do they?

And serious replies, guys. I know it's hard for some of you, but keep your quip of a tongue out of this thread, and I would appreciate it.



Most of this is true, but French is the least manly sounding language in the world. It hurts my ears when men speak French.

The Americans should realise that the French helped the US in their war of independence, and indeed helped further in the Treaty of Paris in which American independence was given. The French are products of the Enlightenment and it is truely the land of equality and freedom, they are very liberal and strongly independent in foreign policy and the like. In comparison to the conservative degeneration of the US, I can see why France would be their envy.

I think most people from the United States are aware of this, I don't think that people there 'evny' France very much. In the United States, 60% of the people who get on the news are complete whackjobs who don't represent the average person from that country at all. That is just what the media of this country likes to focus on.
When there are demonstrations against George Bush invovling hundreds of thousands of people in Washington D.C. it doesn't make the evening news but 20 people in Louisiana get in a parade screaming "WHITE POWER" does. That's just how the media in the United States works.

French are belittle cause they never do anything right when it comes to war.

when i was playing civilization 4 and almost everytime i play, France is always nearly at the bottom of the scoring board, or wiped out first

French are belittle cause they never do anything right when it comes to war.


Once i was playing civilization 4 and almost everytime i play, France is always nearly at the bottom of the scoring board, or wiped out first

Please tell me that was a joke and not meant to be taken seriously

Please tell me that was a joke and not meant to be taken seriously

Its not a joke about 70% of the time the french are in the top 3 bottom losers

Being the Birthplace of democracy, saving france (twice), defeating a mad dictator with the capabilities to conqueor the world (hitler), wining the cold war against a backward government, making japan and Germany two of the most succesful nations in the world, rebuilding all of Western Europe after WWII, making up most of the UN forces, Starting the UN, Attempting to stop the Abusive treatment of Germany after WWI at the hands of France. The list goes on and on.

When did Greece do all of this, then?

Its not a joke about 70% of the time the french are in the top 3 bottom losers

I meant the fact that you're using France in Civ 4 as your reason for belittling the French

I meant the fact that you're using France in Civ 4 as your reason for belittling the French

Its one of them:D

They did precious little in the first world war

I have to disagree on this point as they suffered more than double our (UK) casualties in the first world war and fought to the same standard to the British.

Britain also has a friendly rivalry with Australia about sport, yet no one says we're belittling the Australians with banter.

Mainly because the Australians tend to beat us in those sports so any belittling is not really going to have an effect. :p

Being the Birthplace of democracy, making japan and Germany two of the most succesful nations in the world.

I will give you all your other points but not these ones:

The greeks and romans had democracy first I believe and Germany was already one of the most succesful nations in the world (Japn wasn't doing too badly either but American influence after the second world war certainly accelerated their economy).

Practically, every Nation belittles other Nations. I don't care if you're an American, French, German, English, Russian, Iranian, Israeli, and so on.

Do you not think that the French belittles America all the time? Iranians do they ever belittle the Israelis? Russia, don't they belittle others? etc...

This OP is very generalized and if you think some nations are exempt from "belittleing" of others you're fools.

Did Chavez of Venezuela not recently belittled America? Give me a Break......

When did Greece do all of this, then?

Yes, but if you know anything about Greek history you know it wasn't very succesful and was soon over taken by tyrants.

You fail at history

And you fail at life for not backing up your point.

THE FRENCH SUCK

/jk

I will give you all your other points but not these ones:

The greeks and romans had democracy first I believe and Germany was already one of the most succesful nations in the world (Japn wasn't doing too badly either but American influence after the second world war certainly accelerated their economy).

You call being split into two nations succesful? If it hadn't been for the U.S. supporting Western Germany (and the rest of Europe), it (and the rest of Europe) would have fallen to the soviets. Not only that but Germany and the rest of Europe were basically trashed after WWII.

Yes, non-whites are soooo dangerous. My half-brother, more than half of my friends, and even my adopted uncle and my g.f., are a menace to society. :rolleyes:

Go back to Stormfront and mingle with your fellow bigots, troll.

Another KA-RAP (Keyboard Anti-Racist Agitator and Polemicist) heard from.

Characteristic of the KA-RAP is the belief that they alone are righteous and on the side of the angels when it comes to racial and cultural issues, and thus that anyone who opposes their positions, or *gasp* thinks so-called "multiculturalism" is a bad idea, is a "bigot", a "troll" and belongs on "Stormfront."

Fortunately, in the real world, where the children and the childish don't run things and aren't listened to, KA-RAPs don't call the shots and are merely another noisy minority :D

Another KA-RAP (Keyboard Anti-Racist Agitator and Polemicist) heard from.

Characteristic of the KA-RAP is the belief that they alone are righteous and on the side of the angels when it comes to racial and cultural issues, and thus that anyone who opposes their positions, or *gasp* thinks so-called "multiculturalism" is a bad idea, is a "bigot", a "troll" and belongs on "Stormfront."

Fortunately, in the real world, where the children and the childish don't run things and aren't listened to, KA-RAPs don't call the shots and are merely another noisy minority :D

But how exactly is multiculturism a threat? You've dodged the question and gone straight to bashing someone's personal nature, trying to shut up us 'noisy minorities'. If multiculturism were actually a threat, and of course the government isn't run by people who believe multiculturism is good, then why haven't they banned immigration? Why haven't we sent those blacks back to Africa? (sarcasm) In fact, why haven't we sent all people of immigrant descent back to where they belong? Oh wait, that would only leave the Native Americans in America.

The French aren't a bad people - they're not cowardly, idiotic or incompetent. They've had a rich history... They have a strong historical background, and they both had military strengths and weaknesses, just like every nation. Though people now and then keep belittling them, and I don't know why. Why do they?

And serious replies, guys. I know it's hard for some of you, but keep your quip of a tongue out of this thread, and I would appreciate it.
Depends who you mean. When English people do it, it's just a bit of fun. When the Americans do it, it's because they're insecure fuss-pots who are still annoyed that France didn't support their pointless war in Iraq.

and their language is extremely beautiful.
No.

Depends who you mean. When English people do it, it's just a bit of fun. When the Americans do it, it's because they're insecure fuss-pots who are still annoyed that France didn't support their pointless war in Iraq.


As already explained, Americans have been doing this long before Iraq.

Its because they are rude to everyone. When I was in London I had the pleasure to witness a debate between my English friend and a Russian about whether the French hate the British or Russians more based on how rude they were towards British/Russian citizens. As an American I found this hilarious, because I always thought they had a vendetta against us, based on how rude they are to Americans. It turns out they are jerks to everyone.


Also, what is with everyone saying that Americans dont like French because they didnt support the war in Iraq. Do you think we were bed buddies with the French up until 2003? We didnt like them looong before 2003.

Germany didnt support the war in Iraq either, but are we constantly insulting the germans? No.

The French are belittled and made fun of because the U.S.A saved their butts twice, and the big wall thing they made sucked because it did not protect their border from Belgium. Also, they lost the French and Indian war

The French are belittled and made fun of because the U.S.A saved their butts twice, and the big wall thing they made sucked because it did not protect their border from Belgium. Also, they lost the French and Indian war

Oh, and the French NEVER helped the US get independence, right? :rolleyes:

Germany didnt support the war in Iraq either, but are we constantly insulting the germans? No.
Though "you" do make fun of them a lot. But not about Iraq.

No offense meant to the French when Americans do this. They are as good a people as any, and most of us don't harbor any truly strong anti-French feelings. However, France has historically been generally snooty towards Americans, and foreigners in general, since the time of Napoleon. I saw this firsthand in Paris. We feel the need to answer rudeness with rudeness, and France's generally inglorious military history is ripe fodder for our comebacks.
So why do Americans make fun of France?
The Frogs bring it on themselves...

I saw this firsthand in Paris.

Going to Paris and saying Frenchmen are rude is like going to New York and saying Americans are rude.

Disclaimer: I know New Yorkers aren't as rude as the stereotype says, but they are rather more "direct" than people in most places, which is taken for rudeness by some.

[QUOTE=Aequilibritas;12024981]http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/victories.html

LOL! Someone had to post it.

I think people make fun of the French in the same way they use regional stereotypes within in their own countries, it's easy and it's abit of fun.

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That link is classic. But will have to agree I think most French bashing is just harmless fun really. My fathers family comes from Paris. I have half of my wifes family in France. We go there about every other year. Can even speak and write in French. But I still don't mind poking fun at them. They do it over there too. I think there is a common respect for both nations because of the help each nation has extended to one another of the centuries.

The French aren't a bad people - they're not cowardly, idiotic or incompetent. They've had a rich history, and their language is extremely beautiful. They have a strong historical background, and they both had military strengths and weaknesses, just like every nation. Though people now and then keep belittling them, and I don't know why. Why do they?

And serious replies, guys. I know it's hard for some of you, but keep your quip of a tongue out of this thread, and I would appreciate it.

It's become a bit of a fad. I myself have occasionally cracked a French joke, though more in parody of those that are actually Franco-phobes than anything else. Me, I like the French. They rock.

Going to Paris and saying Frenchmen are rude is like going to New York and saying Americans are rude.

Disclaimer: I know New Yorkers aren't as rude as the stereotype says, but they are rather more "direct" than people in most places, which is taken for rudeness by some.

Yea most people in rural southern France like America for saving them.

The American Dream has become a nightmare.

Not for me, it hasnt. I'm living it.

No offense meant to the French when Americans do this. They are as good a people as any, and most of us don't harbor any truly strong anti-French feelings. However, France has historically been generally snooty towards Americans, and foreigners in general, since the time of Napoleon. I saw this firsthand in Paris. We feel the need to answer rudeness with rudeness, and France's generally inglorious military history is ripe fodder for our comebacks.
So why do Americans make fun of France?
The Frogs bring it on themselves...

So, no one has ever considered the possibility that French customs are different than our own, and that going to a foreign country and expecting everyone to bend to your will comes across as rude and arrogant?

When I was taking French, we learned about French culture. French people tend to be private types, not like us Americans who invite complete strangers into our homes. They're big on privacy and intimacy, and it takes a long time to get to know a French person.

But, you know, you could always call them names. That's easier than understanding them, right?

By the way, when did we start judging the world by their military prowess? I don't see many Americans making fun of the Native Americans because they lost.

Personally I blame Tocqueville;)

i have nothing against france or its people its just something we do as french people make fun of americans i mean no real harm against it but its still fun and hey i need to laugh at myself sometimes when the french make fun of americans (then again i cant understand them since i dont speak french)

i have nothing against france or its people its just something we do as french people make fun of americans i mean no real harm against it but its still fun and hey i need to laugh at myself sometimes when the french make fun of americans (then again i cant understand them since i dont speak french)
The French really don't bother with America bashing.They like to bash the Belgians.Go figure.

The French aren't a bad people - they're not cowardly, idiotic or incompetent. They've had a rich history, and their language is extremely beautiful. They have a strong historical background, and they both had military strengths and weaknesses, just like every nation. Though people now and then keep belittling them, and I don't know why. Why do they?

And serious replies, guys. I know it's hard for some of you, but keep your quip of a tongue out of this thread, and I would appreciate it.
Because they're just as bad as the Canadians, but worse.

Because they're just as bad as the Canadians, but worse.
How can the French be as bad as the Canadians and worse at the same time?

you know its not a world war until France surrenders
nah just kidding :D

The French aren't a bad people - they're not cowardly, idiotic or incompetent. They've had a rich history, and their language is extremely beautiful. They have a strong historical background, and they both had military strengths and weaknesses, just like every nation. Though people now and then keep belittling them, and I don't know why. Why do they?

And serious replies, guys. I know it's hard for some of you, but keep your quip of a tongue out of this thread, and I would appreciate it.

Remember when the French opposed the Iraq war because they were afraid of their little corrupt oil deals being exposed? Remember when the French tortured Algerians? Remember when the French version of the Navy Seals attacked a Greenpeace vessle? This is why the French suck my a**!

Remember when the French opposed the Iraq war because they were afraid of their little corrupt oil deals being exposed? Remember when the French tortured Algerians? Remember when the French version of the Navy Seals attacked a Greenpeace vessle? This is why the French suck my a**!
This is why people don't like France and America: because they're the same.

I have no problem with the French. America on the other hand...

you know its not a world war until France surrenders
nah just kidding :D

They didnt surrender in the 1st world war. But I think the reason the english dont like the french is just deep rooted rivalry. iv been to France a couple of times, and found many French to act all 'snooty' towards us when they realise we're english

Oh, why not tell the whole forum just how and why "multicult" is a real danger?

Multicult? Sounds vaguely Orwellian.

Remember when the French opposed the Iraq war because they were afraid of their little corrupt oil deals being exposed? Remember when the French tortured Algerians? Remember when the French version of the Navy Seals attacked a Greenpeace vessle? This is why the French suck my a**!

Remember when Americans gave Halliburton no-bid contracts to rebuild Iraq?
Remember when Americans tortured God knows how many people across the world in secret prisons?
Remember when the Americans gunned down a wedding party?

Why do people judge a country based on its military? weird

Why do people judge a country based on its military? weird
Believe me nobody really judges the Irish culture by its army. That being said I don't think most other cultures do either.Can you imagine judging Luxembourg by its military?
Think its probably a 'who's got the bigger dick' mentality.

The French aren't a bad people - they're not cowardly, idiotic or incompetent. They've had a rich history, and their language is extremely beautiful. They have a strong historical background, and they both had military strengths and weaknesses, just like every nation. Though people now and then keep belittling them, and I don't know why. Why do they?

And serious replies, guys. I know it's hard for some of you, but keep your quip of a tongue out of this thread, and I would appreciate it.

I believe it's just something that has caught on for the most part, with most people. Others who talk crap have legitimate reasons, but over all it's just a habit for some. I have no problem with them and don't think bad of them or their military.

A quote I still don't really understand is:

"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me."

— General George S. Patton

My first thought on that was that he was just saying the Germans were better, and he'd rather them be on his side ... but then I thought ..was he meaning he'd rather fight the Germans than rely on the French to have his back? Or was he saying they were back stabbers or fucked things up or something? Anyone know?

I believe it's just something that has caught on for the most part, with most people. Others who talk crap have legitimate reasons, but over all it's just a habit for some. I have no problem with them and don't think bad of them or their military.

A quote I still don't really understand is:

"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me."

— General George S. Patton

My first thought on that was that he was just saying the Germans were better, and he'd rather them be on his side ... but then I thought ..was he meaning he'd rather fight the Germans than rely on the French to have his back? Or was he saying they were back stabbers or fucked things up or something? Anyone know?

He means he'd rather fight Germans than rely on Frenchmen.

I believe it's just something that has caught on for the most part, with most people. Others who talk crap have legitimate reasons, but over all it's just a habit for some. I have no problem with them and don't think bad of them or their military.

A quote I still don't really understand is:

"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me."

— General George S. Patton

My first thought on that was that he was just saying the Germans were better, and he'd rather them be on his side ... but then I thought ..was he meaning he'd rather fight the Germans than rely on the French to have his back? Or was he saying they were back stabbers or fucked things up or something? Anyone know?

Who cares? The military exploits of over half a century ago are hardly relevant to todays issues are they?

Probably stems from the fact France held onto its independent streak virulently post-1945. Unlke Britain and others, France continued to forge its own foreign policy - even though it might annoy it's main ally, the U.S.

Many Americans don't like the fact France didn't bow down/tow the line/jump when they were told to, like they thought France should have done.

I have always admired them for that independent streak.

He means he'd rather fight Germans than rely on Frenchmen.


Damn that's pretty harsh, especially coming from the man that would know and tell it like it is. I don't know much history on their military, but I'm sure they've had some good outfits. Did he personally have some mishaps when dealing with them or something?

I know he didn't like the Russians, but I don't think that had anything to do with the military, other than maybe the way their soldiers treated the Germans.

France is the birthplace of democracy and yet something is missing. The have a fabulous culture and language. They are a proud and dignified people which is also why it is so much fun to make fun of them.

How many wars have the French and English been in?

I think history may also be a factor, also some rivalry.

Who cares? The military exploits of over half a century ago are hardly relevant to todays issues are they?

Probably stems from the fact France held onto its independent streak virulently post-1945. Unlke Britain and others, France continued to forge its own foreign policy - even though it might annoy it's main ally, the U.S.

Many Americans don't like the fact France didn't bow down/tow the line/jump when they were told to, like they thought France should have done.

I have always admired them for that independent streak.

I was saying that I think the jokes and shit talking stems from back then. I have no problem with them or a problem with them doing what they wanted to do instead of how you say bow down. I can repsect that. I could go even farther and say something else.. but I won't.

Mostly good natured teasing...

I don't think anyone at the time realized how powerful Germany was. I don't think any single nation could have withstood them for long. It took several nations and several years to finally defeat them.

Mostly good natured teasing...

No, it's really not. The Anglo-French jibes could be considered that, but the stuff from across the Atlantic has gotten more and more vitriolic as the decades have passed. And they have, in turn, been responded to in kind.

Seriously? It is because they were so rude during a visit to their country.

:rolleyes:

Please every talk show host knows the instant something stupid happens.

:rolleyes:

Please every talk show host knows the instant something stupid happens.

I'm not saying that. There is a marked difference between valid criticism and 'teasing'.

I'm also not saying it's a one-way street.

Who cares? The military exploits of over half a century ago are hardly relevant to todays issues are they?

Probably stems from the fact France held onto its independent streak virulently post-1945. Unlke Britain and others, France continued to forge its own foreign policy - even though it might annoy it's main ally, the U.S.

Many Americans don't like the fact France didn't bow down/tow the line/jump when they were told to, like they thought France should have done.

I have always admired them for that independent streak.

Was France ever contimplating backing Germany? I know Germany did go into France, but was that after France decided to enter the war against Germany .. or before?

Was France ever contimplating backing Germany? I know Germany did go into France, but was that after France decided to enter the war against Germany .. or before?

The war? What are you talking about? I said post-1945.

The war? What are you talking about? I said post-1945.


Sorry. I don't even know what you're talking about then.

The French aren't a bad people - they're not cowardly, idiotic or incompetent. They've had a rich history, and their language is extremely beautiful. They have a strong historical background, and they both had military strengths and weaknesses, just like every nation. Though people now and then keep belittling them, and I don't know why. Why do they?

And serious replies, guys. I know it's hard for some of you, but keep your quip of a tongue out of this thread, and I would appreciate it.

...and they once had the worlds most brutal colonial empire.

...and they once had the worlds most brutal colonial empire.

Along with Britain, Spain, Holland, Portugal, America to a certain extent, Germany etc etc.

(By the way, the French were one of the first to abolish slavery in their colonies - 1794)

It comes up every time the French do something we do not agree with. We do realize that they are a sovereign nation quite capable of making their own decisions. We just do not agree. Please do not let some pumpkin head talk show host make you think that all Americans think the way he does. I shutter at the thought.

its all de Gaulle's fault if you ask me

I think that any "animosity" whether in fun or in seriousness is more of an english/french thing rather than simply America vs France. Take Canada for example, You have Quebec vs The rest of Canada, and even in elementary schools there are french immersion/english stream "wars." The french can be arrogant; my grandmother (who is french) had a horrible time in France. Everyone was rude to her because of her Quebecois accent. At the same time one of my best friends lives in Paris and is one of the kindest people I know (although even he will admit to being slightly arrogant :) ) I think any great Nation, such as the UK, France and the US have to accept the fact that they will be targets for other people's anger and the butts of other people's jokes, and thanks to British colonialism many countries in the world have probably adopted their attitudes toward the french. As long as it's in good humour I think it's fun. Friendly rivalry can help us reach new and better heights.

And you fail at life for not backing up your point.

We all have our weaknesses.