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so we need to "strike first?" is that what youre insinuating?

theres no way to attack terrorism or terrorists first.

Think before you say stupid things.Terrorist training camps in Afghanistan are gone. No attacks in America for five years. Al Qaeda leaders are being dogged around the globe to keep them from assembling resources and plotting mass murder.

Dogged, or captured or killed:

MOHAMMED ATEF, Egyptian, military chief: Killed in U.S. airstrike.

KHALID SHAIKH MOHAMMED, Kuwaiti, suspected mastermind of Sept. 11 attacks: Captured.

ABU ZUBAYDAH, Palestinian-Saudi, terrorist coordinator: Captured.

ABD AL-RAHIM AL-NASHIRI, Saudi, Persian Gulf operations chief: Captured.

QAED SALIM SINAN AL-HARETHI, Yemeni, Yemen operations chief: Killed in U.S. airstrike.

OMAR AL-FAROUQ, Kuwaiti, Southeast Asia operations chief: Captured.

IBN AL-SHAYKH AL-LIBI, Libyan, training camp commander: Captured.

TARIQ ANWAR AL-SAYYID AHMAD, Egyptian, operational planner: Killed in U.S. airstrike.

MOHAMMED SALAH, Egyptian, operational planner: Killed in U.S. airstrike.

ABD AL-HADI AL-IRAQI, training camp commander: Captured.

ABU ZUBAIR AL-HAILI, Saudi, operational planner: Captured.

HAMZA AL-QATARI, financier: Killed.

ABU SALAH AL-YEMENI: logistics, Killed.

ABU JAFAR AL-JAZIRI, aide to Abu Zubyadah: Killed.

RAMZI BINALSHIBH, Yemeni, planner and organizer of Sept. 11 attacks: Captured.

ZACARIAS MOUSSAOUI, charged as conspirator with Sept. 11 hijackers: Captured.

Osama bin Laden - Commander of Al-Qaida. Still at large, President declares him "not important".

Think before you say stupid things.Terrorist training camps in Afghanistan are gone. No attacks in America for five years. Al Qaeda leaders are being dogged around the globe to keep them from assembling resources and plotting mass murder.

Dogged, or captured or killed:

MOHAMMED ATEF, Egyptian, military chief: Killed in U.S. airstrike.

KHALID SHAIKH MOHAMMED, Kuwaiti, suspected mastermind of Sept. 11 attacks: Captured.

ABU ZUBAYDAH, Palestinian-Saudi, terrorist coordinator: Captured.

ABD AL-RAHIM AL-NASHIRI, Saudi, Persian Gulf operations chief: Captured.

QAED SALIM SINAN AL-HARETHI, Yemeni, Yemen operations chief: Killed in U.S. airstrike.

OMAR AL-FAROUQ, Kuwaiti, Southeast Asia operations chief: Captured.

IBN AL-SHAYKH AL-LIBI, Libyan, training camp commander: Captured.

TARIQ ANWAR AL-SAYYID AHMAD, Egyptian, operational planner: Killed in U.S. airstrike.

MOHAMMED SALAH, Egyptian, operational planner: Killed in U.S. airstrike.

ABD AL-HADI AL-IRAQI, training camp commander: Captured.

ABU ZUBAIR AL-HAILI, Saudi, operational planner: Captured.

HAMZA AL-QATARI, financier: Killed.

ABU SALAH AL-YEMENI: logistics, Killed.

ABU JAFAR AL-JAZIRI, aide to Abu Zubyadah: Killed.

RAMZI BINALSHIBH, Yemeni, planner and organizer of Sept. 11 attacks: Captured.

ZACARIAS MOUSSAOUI, charged as conspirator with Sept. 11 hijackers: Captured.



Oh wow! I feel safer already! :rolleyes:

Grow up. They are nothing but insignificant operators for the overall Cell. Once they die, they are merely replaced by someone else. Learn how these things operate before posting about them.


However, I do agree that we need to hunt the bastards down, but don't post names of those killed like its a big deal. Trust me, it isn't. Kill as many as you want, it shows we don't tolerate it, but in reality, it doesn't truly matter.

Oh wow! I feel safer already! :rolleyes:

Grow up. They are nothing but insignificant operators for the overall Cell. Once they die, they are merely replaced by someone else. Learn how these things operate before posting about them.


However, I do agree that we need to hunt the bastards down, but don't post names of those killed like its a big deal. Trust me, it isn't. Kill as many as you want, it shows we don't tolerate it, but in reality, it doesn't truly matter.

Indeed, ideologies cannot be killed with bullets or bombs.

Osama bin Laden - Commander of Al-Qaida. Still at large, President declares him "not important".

Largely symbolic. Probably hasn't taken a warm shit indoors in five years.

Without his training camps and fortune and ability to communicate, he really isn't tactically important.

Largely symbolic. Probably hasn't taken a warm shit indoors in five years.

Without his training camps and fortune and ability to communicate, he really isn't tactically important.

So, in short, if you get them, they're vitally important, but if you don't, they're symbolic.

Largely symbolic. Probably hasn't taken a warm shit indoors in five years.

Without his training camps and fortune and ability to communicate, he really isn't tactically important.

So objectively, it hasn't been done.

But symbolically, it has? What relevance does that have?

Whats the point to this thread other than pointing out the US is good at killing Muslims?

We should go after anyone who gives aid and comfort to terrorists and terrorist organizations.

But to avoid looking hypocritical, that means we have to go after some of the shitcake bakers in our own government, who have, for decades, tacitly supported terrorist activities overseas. I say they should be sent to GITMO and sweated for information. Especially Sen. Chris Dodd of Conn. who is stalling an extradition treaty with the UK that was written with the explicit intention of fighting terrorism.

Oh wow! I feel safer already! :rolleyes:

Grow up. They are nothing but insignificant operators for the overall Cell. Once they die, they are merely replaced by someone else. Learn how these things operate before posting about them.

This is classic liberal defeatist propaganda.

So -- killed and captured Al Qaeda leaders have clones immediately pop up, fully as powerful and well trained and leaders of men and experienced in terrorism. Sure, it doens't happen with any other organization you can dream of, but the on-the-run, harried, dispersed Al Qaeda leaders have seconds right behind them just as experienced and savvy and wired into the terrorist networks and with access to all the same connections and resources.

It wouldn't be the truth for any organization from Manchester United to General Motors, but it is with Al Qaeda, apparently, according to the quivering liberals.

Of course, the captured leaders pose a bit of a problem to their fellow murderous cell cretins. Hmmm....boss got captured. Number two guy -- every bit as excellent as boss (amazingly) starts twitching at black helicopters like Ray Liotta in Good Fellas. Maybe the boss isn't so great at waterboarding. Maybe we better get out of here. Not together -- you go that way.....

So, in short, if you get them, they're vitally important, but if you don't, they're symbolic.

In this case, that happens to be the truth.

In this case, that happens to be the truth.

Quoted for doublethink.

So, in short, if you get them, they're vitally important, but if you don't, they're symbolic.

Yep. Quaint how the world works when you look at it through stupid-eyes, yes?

Whats the point to this thread other than pointing out the US is good at killing Muslims?

The premise I was answering is that no progress could be made by taking out terrorists before they attack. Of course there is and we have done so.

These were Muslims, sure...but of the suicidal mass murdering of civilian variety.

This is classic liberal defeatist propaganda.


Classic blog-pundit trolling. You think you're oh so big and oh so intelligent and oh so political because you blather inanely about "liberal defeatists." For you it's nothing more than an Us Versus Them, Go Team Go, Ra Ra Ra cheerleading session in which your team, "conservatives" is the good, "liberals" are the bad/stupid/defeatist/cowardly/pro-terrorist/communist and all else follows from this basic, bigoted and stupid premise.

You're a lot like the people who killed my cousin. You know - terrorists. Except you were born in a wealthy nation and so you don't have to strap bombs on yourself, or even join the military yourself, you can just sit back from the sidelines and masturbate whenever innocent civilians are killed to make you feel safer.

Usually the idea of terrorism is to cause TERROR, so they dont need to be all the time roaming around, they can disappear and reappear again when things start to calm down to get the population terrorized again

Edit:"These were Muslims, sure...but of the suicidal mass murdering of civilian variety." o ya so if youre muslim you HAVE to be a suicidal bomber....right you know you really need to go out of your little shell, go explore other countries i dont know go to IRAK where your loved government has killed thousands of innocent civilians

Largely symbolic. Probably hasn't taken a warm shit indoors in five years.

Without his training camps and fortune and ability to communicate, he really isn't tactically important.

Who says he can't communicate?

And you seem a lot like a puppet or a troll to me. Whose puppet are you? If not a puppet, what are your real politcial leanings?

Classic blog-pundit trolling. You think you're oh so big and oh so intelligent and oh so political because you blather inanely about "liberal defeatists." For you it's nothing more than an Us Versus Them, Go Team Go, Ra Ra Ra cheerleading session in which your team, "conservatives" is the good, "liberals" are the bad/stupid/defeatist/cowardly/pro-terrorist/communist and all else follows from this basic, bigoted and stupid premise.

To summarize a long response, yes.

You're a lot like the people who killed my cousin.

Was you cousin a radical islamic terrorist?

Except you were born in a wealthy nation and so you don't have to strap bombs on yourself, or even join the military yourself, you can just sit back from the sidelines and masturbate whenever innocent civilians are killed to make you feel safer.

I am quite happy when we capture or kill another major cog in the radical islam terrorist mass murder conspiracy. Are you NOT?

As to masturbation, I deny it, as I have denied it in the past to the nuns, to the psychotherapist, to the police and to the screaming prude bus driver.

This is classic liberal defeatist propaganda.

So -- killed and captured Al Qaeda leaders have clones immediately pop up, fully as powerful and well trained and leaders of men and experienced in terrorism. Sure, it doens't happen with any other organization you can dream of, but the on-the-run, harried, dispersed Al Qaeda leaders have seconds right behind them just as experienced and savvy and wired into the terrorist networks and with access to all the same connections and resources.

It wouldn't be the truth for any organization from Manchester United to General Motors, but it is with Al Qaeda, apparently, according to the quivering liberals.

Of course, the captured leaders pose a bit of a problem to their fellow murderous cell cretins. Hmmm....boss got captured. Number two guy -- every bit as excellent as boss (amazingly) starts twitching at black helicopters like Ray Liotta in Good Fellas. Maybe the boss isn't so great at waterboarding. Maybe we better get out of here. Not together -- you go that way.....

This is classic conservative bullshit. You're twisting people's words so you can make them sound "ebil" and you look like the "good guy".

It takes one to know one.

Think before you say stupid things.Terrorist training camps in Afghanistan are gone. No attacks in America for five years. Al Qaeda leaders are being dogged around the globe to keep them from assembling resources and plotting mass murder.

Think before you say stupid things.

Taliban activity in Afghanistan is skyrocketing. The nation is beginning to lose the stability that we managed to build before we went haring off to Iraq for that pointless waste of time, money, and American lives. Our "victory" has only sparked a growth of more terrorist organizations because of resentment against us. The spiking opium trade in Afghanistan is helping to fund terrorism.

Terrorists have not chosen to focus on America. Instead, Spain, Britain, and other parts of Europe are their new targets. Remember, Al Quaeda existed for a long time before 9/11 without hitting a major target in the US. If it took them over a decade then, why should 5 years be any indicator at all? In two or three decades, you may start talking about this.

Al Quaeda has been benefitted by the Iraq War, and it is now beginning to benefit from the War in Afghanistan because of our innatention and incompetance there. There have been studies released which confirm that this is true. All we have done is chopped off the head of the snake and allowed new, little snakes to grow. If anything, we are less safe now than we were prior to 9/11.

But, no doubt, you will come up with some empty catch-phrase with which to label me and ignore all my arguments. Aren't you clever.

To summarize a long response, yes.

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Was you cousin a radical islamic terrorist?
Wow, you actually admitted you're a bigotted idiot. Nice! :)

I am quite happy when we capture or kill another major cog in the radical islam terrorist mass murder conspiracy. Are you NOT?
No, I'm not. It's our duty to protect our homeland, but the Middle East is not our homeland. Having security guards and a department of defense is fine, but launching a full-scale war was the most retarded thing the US has done in history.

Who says he can't communicate?

Well, mosrt accounts have him struggling to get tapes out on 2-3 weeks lead times.

And it is certain that at some point he greatly relied on satellite phone thinking they were safe.

And you seem a lot like a puppet or a troll to me. Whose puppet are you? If not a puppet, what are your real politcial leanings?

I'm a small government libertarian, terrorist hawk, who believes that after 9-11, we are at WAR and the country should behave as so, and we should count our "allies", many of whom have proven COWARDS, as who is with us and who is with the terrorists.

And, whan someone exhibits cowardice, is it surprising when they draw MORE terrorists attacks? Is it surprising if a terrorist organization can effect elections with a few backpack bombs, that they won't try to control countries in the future?

My sad prediction is that Britain and Spain will be the target of more terrorist attacks, not because of some level of support for America, but because they have beyond a doubt been demonstrated psychologically to be excellent targets for mass murder designed to influence elections.

Terrorism is all about psychology.

Who says he can't communicate?

Well, mosrt accounts have him struggling to get tapes out on 2-3 weeks lead times.

And it is certain that at some point he greatly relied on satellite phone thinking they were safe.

And you seem a lot like a puppet or a troll to me. Whose puppet are you? If not a puppet, what are your real politcial leanings?

I'm a small government libertarian, terrorist hawk, who believes that after 9-11, we are at WAR and the country should behave as so, and we should count our "allies", many of whom have proven COWARDS, as who is with us and who is with the terrorists.

And, whan someone exhibits cowardice, is it surprising when they draw MORE terrorists attacks? Is it surprising if a terrorist organization can effect elections with a few backpack bombs, that they won't try to control countries in the future?

My sad prediction is that Britain and Spain will be the target of more terrorist attacks, not because of some level of support for America, but because they have beyond a doubt been demonstrated psychologically to be excellent targets for mass murder designed to influence elections.

Terrorism is all about psychology.

*snip*

Well put.

Well, mosrt accounts have him struggling to get tapes out on 2-3 weeks lead times.

And it is certain that at some point he greatly relied on satellite phone thinking they were safe.
Yes, and we all know that Bin Laden is locked up in prison somewhere, stewing over his death sentence. :rolleyes:

I'm a small government libertarian, terrorist hawk, who believes that after 9-11, we are at WAR and the country should behave as so, and we should count our "allies", many of whom have proven COWARDS, as who is with us and who is with the terrorists.
Basically, who is ebil and who is not. That would make America the only "good nation", wheras all others (France, Britain, Japan, etc.) are all "ebil nations".
Hmm, sounds like a certain dictator I know. I'll give you a hint: His name starts with an "A". ;)

And, whan someone exhibits cowardice, is it surprising when they draw MORE terrorists attacks? Is it surprising if a terrorist organization can effect elections with a few backpack bombs, that they won't try to control countries in the future?

My sad prediction is that Britain and Spain will be the target of more terrorist attacks, not because of some level of support for America, but because they have beyond a doubt been demonstrated psychologically to be excellent targets for mass murder designed to influence elections.
Bullshit. America has been the most excellent terrorist target for mass murder designed to influence elections. Um, 9/11? Remember that? The Republicans have used that as their backing platform ever since to instill fear and steal the hearts and minds of America.

Terrorism is all about psychology.
Yeah, that's why we can't win a war on terror. The problem isn't in their country, it's in their heads. Guns ain't gonna solve it.

Wow, you actually admitted you're a bigotted idiot. Nice! :)

If being bigotted against radical islamic suicidal mass murders is bigotted in your mind, than so file me.

How would you file someone that fawns and grovels on the ground while the mass murderers stalk up to cut their throats?

No, I'm not. It's our duty to protect our homeland, but the Middle East is not our homeland. Having security guards and a department of defense is fine, but launching a full-scale war was the most retarded thing the US has done in history.

No, the Middle East is not our homeland. It is home to people swearing to annihilate the United States, like North Korea is as well. Are you familiar with the concept of ballistic missiles and WMDs?

You guys who are blatent socialists are funny. Anyone who puts their party affiliations (especially that of the Socialist or World Worker's Parties) on their sig can be instantly ignored. Good stuff though.

I'm a small government libertarian, terrorist hawk, who believes that after 9-11, we are at WAR and the country should behave as so, and we should count our "allies", many of whom have proven COWARDS, as who is with us and who is with the terrorists.

In this day and age, to claim that one is a hawk when it comes to terrorists is almost a sure sign that one is not a libertarian.

And, whan someone exhibits cowardice, is it surprising when they draw MORE terrorists attacks? Is it surprising if a terrorist organization can effect elections with a few backpack bombs, that they won't try to control countries in the future?

And what does that have to do with wasting valueble time and resources on silly wars that only serve as a media wank for the country in question.

Terrorism is all about psychology.

Hate to tell you this, but you clearly know nothing about the psychology of terrorism. The way you beat terrorists is you take their money, win the hearts and minds of the people, so that they do not have a recruiting base, and so they have no place to hide, and you give the people no reason to hate you more (not the radicals, but the every day people), because that prevents them from attacking you.

Terrorism can not be stopped with bullets. Terrorism cannot be stopped by killing it's leaders. In fact, the nature of terrorism is such that it can be minimized and it can be defended against, but it cannot be uprooted because of the way it spreads and grows. Therefore, we should be doing our best to pull the support out from under terrorist groups (not through petty nobles or stupid wars, but rather, by winning the hearts and minds of the people upon whom they depend for support), and not "going after" terrorists and wasting money and time.

You guys who are blatent socialists are funny. Anyone who puts their party affiliations (especially that of the Socialist or World Worker's Parties) on their sig can be instantly ignored. Good stuff though.

Erm... So... Having a different opinion than you automatically means they are incorrect. Facts, ideas, and debate don't matter; if they aren't a member of the traditional moderate system, you can just dismiss them out of hand?

That just makes it clear you have no idea how to refute them.

If being bigotted against radical islamic suicidal mass murders is bigotted in your mind, than so file me.

How would you file someone that fawns and grovels on the ground while the mass murderers stalk up to cut their throats?
Actually, I file you as a propaganda-pushing bullshitter. (Probably a flame, sorry.)

No, the Middle East is not our homeland. It is home to people swearing to annihilate the United States, like North Korea is as well. Are you familiar with the concept of ballistic missiles and WMDs?
North Korea just wants attention. They know they couldn't attack us because if they did, we'd blast their country off the map.
The Middle East is home to Muslims. Are you saying that all Muslims are terrorists?
If so, please return to the Nazi forums where you belong, racist.

A few caught muslim terrorist is not going to change anything, America need to reduce it army in Iraq, get rid of the Taliban as quickly as possible and head home after Bush gives the entire muslim world of 1.2 billion people a sincere and hardfelt apology before resiging and let someone else take over

A few caught muslim terrorist is not going to change anything, America need to reduce it army in Iraq, get rid of the Taliban as quickly as possible and head home after Bush gives the entire muslim world of 1.2 billion people a sincere and hardfelt apology before resiging and let someone else take over

If only that would happen.

If only that would happen.

You could threaten to impeach Bush if he does not comply and when he does, we will impeach anyway

In this day and age, to claim that one is a hawk when it comes to terrorists is almost a sure sign that one is not a libertarian.



And what does that have to do with wasting valueble time and resources on silly wars that only serve as a media wank for the country in question.



Hate to tell you this, but you clearly know nothing about the psychology of terrorism. The way you beat terrorists is you take their money, win the hearts and minds of the people, so that they do not have a recruiting base, and so they have no place to hide, and you give the people no reason to hate you more (not the radicals, but the every day people), because that prevents them from attacking you.

Terrorism can not be stopped with bullets. Terrorism cannot be stopped by killing it's leaders. In fact, the nature of terrorism is such that it can be minimized and it can be defended against, but it cannot be uprooted because of the way it spreads and grows. Therefore, we should be doing our best to pull the support out from under terrorist groups (not through petty nobles or stupid wars, but rather, by winning the hearts and minds of the people upon whom they depend for support), and not "going after" terrorists and wasting money and time.


Amir Taheri, an Iranian commentator on Middle Eastern affairs, wrote a column for the Times in London a few years back in which he tried to explain to the pacifist like you exactly what you are dealing with in radical islam ----

".you are dealing with an enemy that does not want anything specific, and cannot be talked back into reason through anger management or round-table discussions. Or, rather, this enemy does want something specific: to take full control of your lives, dictate every single move you make round the clock and, if you dare resist, he will feel it is his divine duty to kill you."

Amir Taheri, an Iranian commentator on Middle Eastern affairs, wrote a column for the Times in London a few years back in which he tried to explain to the pacifist like you exactly what you are dealing with in radical islam ----

".you are dealing with an enemy that does not want anything specific, and cannot be talked back into reason through anger management or round-table discussions. Or, rather, this enemy does want something specific: to take full control of your lives, dictate every single move you make round the clock and, if you dare resist, he will feel it is his divine duty to kill you."

Did he ever advocate pacifism or negotiation? No.

Fail.

Amir Taheri, an Iranian commentator on Middle Eastern affairs, wrote a column for the Times in London a few years back in which he tried to explain to the pacifist like you exactly what you are dealing with in radical islam ----

".you are dealing with an enemy that does not want anything specific, and cannot be talked back into reason through anger management or round-table discussions. Or, rather, this enemy does want something specific: to take full control of your lives, dictate every single move you make round the clock and, if you dare resist, he will feel it is his divine duty to kill you."

I don't support anything akin to pacifism. I suggest taking away the terrorist's support. We may never change the minds of the terrorists, but if the common man will not support them, they lose their base of power. Your failure to understand the difference is why we are still engaging in this useless war. The U.S. does not have unlimited resources. We need to fight this war within our means. Wasting resources on pointless wars that they aren't even designed to fight is just begging to lose.

This guy's funny.

A few caught muslim terrorist is not going to change anything, America need to reduce it army in Iraq, get rid of the Taliban as quickly as possible and head home after Bush gives the entire muslim world of 1.2 billion people a sincere and hardfelt apology before resiging and let someone else take over


Is the "Taliban" the whole issue to you? That is like saying needle exchanges get rid of AIDS.

Aren't a lot of the radical islamicist in Pakistan, Egypt, etc?

What would the difference be between 2006 and 1996 when bin Laden was slaughtering American in embassies and on the Cole? what apology was going to make religious hatred go away?

Actually, I file you as a propaganda-pushing bullshitter. (Probably a flame, sorry.)

No problem

North Korea just wants attention. They know they couldn't attack us because if they did, we'd blast their country off the map.

Maybe we aren't willing to bet Los angels, San Francisco, and soon every American city on the very questionable sanity of the North Korean leader. (who is tacitly backed by China's nuclear aresenal, but I'm sure you've figured all that out).

The Middle East is home to Muslims. Are you saying that all Muslims are terrorists? If so, please return to the Nazi forums where you belong, racist.

Am I saying all Muslims are terrorists? No. Is that necessary to committ suicidal mass murder against civilians? Were all Germans Nazis?

I don't support anything akin to pacifism. I suggest taking away the terrorist's support. We may never change the minds of the terrorists, but if the common man will not support them, they lose their base of power.

Did the common Muslim plot and plan 9-11? Or was it a radical religious minority who, by your own statement "we may never change the mind (of)" ?

I couldn't give a shit if some rug weaver in Cairo loves or hates America.

What is the plan against those terrorists we will never change the mind of?

Did the common Muslim plot and plan 9-11? Or was it a radical religious minority who, by your own statement "we may never change the mind (of)" ?

As a matter of fact, without the common people to support and feed Al Quaeda operatives, to keep them from being turned in to authorities, and to act as a buffer between them and the outside world, Al Quaeda would never have been able to organize enough to plan 9/11.

Any guerilla movement depends on the common man to hide them. That's how the Viet Cong were so succesful in Vietnam, and it's why terrorist groups are so sucessful in Iraq now that we have destroyed our credibility there.

I couldn't give a shit if some rug weaver in Cairo loves or hates America.

Then you will, invariably, never be able to succesfully combat terror.

What is the plan against those terrorists we will never change the mind of?

Keep money away from them, keep the people from supporting them, and destroy their leaders. By doing so, we keep them from ever organizing enough to do harm.

I couldn't give a shit if some rug weaver in Cairo loves or hates America.

If you want to win, then you had better care. You should calm down with your emotive rhetoric, and dick-waving basically.

As a matter of fact, without the common people to support and feed Al Quaeda operatives, to keep them from being turned in to authorities, and to act as a buffer between them and the outside world, Al Quaeda would never have been able to organize enough to plan 9/11.

Any guerilla movement depends on the common man to hide them. That's how the Viet Cong were so succesful in Vietnam, and it's why terrorist groups are so sucessful in Iraq now that we have destroyed our credibility there.

Then you will, invariably, never be able to succesfully combat terror.[quote]

You are describing a method of dealing with a guerilla movement, a relatively large shadow army working in a specific geographical area with specfic targets.

Those tactics are useless agaisnt an international, well-funded terror group seeking to blend into society and then commit one suicidal attack of civilian mass murder.

Two widely disparate situations.

[quote]Keep money away from them, keep the people from supporting them, and destroy their leaders. By doing so, we keep them from ever organizing enough to do harm.

Al Qeada doesn't need "the people" to support them. Their cell of trained terrorists aren't hiding in tunnels under villages, or begging for food. They have plenty of money from a small group of fanatics in positions of power with oil money.

Destroy their leaders, there I agree.

Those tactics are useless agaisnt an international, well-funded terror group seeking to blend into society and then commit one suicidal attack of civilian mass murder.

Al Qeada doesn't need "the people" to support them. Their cell of trained terrorists aren't hiding in tunnels under villages, or begging for food. They have plenty of money from a small group of fanatics in positions of power with oil money.
'Nuff said.

Osama bin Laden - Commander of Al-Qaida. Still at large, President declares him "not important".

Must I remind you that the President has a habit of misspeaking. I'm sure he didn't mean that bin Laden wasn't important. I'm sure most people realize that. Also, we have been going after the terrorists since the beginning of the war in Afghanistan and are continuing our efforts against al-Queda and other known terrorist organizations. Yes, we invaded Iraq to unseat Saddam but by doing so, we did NOT stop our terrorist searches and our hunt for bin Laden. I'd like to know who the hell said we ever stopped our pursuit and attacks on the terrorists?

For whatever reasons, (just something to bicker about) Our invasion of Iraq was in noway a deter from terrorism. The media mostly speaks of the war in Iraq and by doing so, some people get in their heads that we stopped searching for bin Laden and stopped going after the terrorists and that is the farthest from the Truth.

Conservatism: the triumph of willful ignorance and wishful thinking over experience and observation.

I do believe the best way is to strike the terrorists first. For one, it stirs them up and they come out of hiding. It's a lot easier to hit a target that's in the open than one who hides in the shadows.

Secondly, taking it to their home, more than likely will keep them their and change their focus and abilities to strike others homes. Yes, I realize that they did attack Madrid. I feel that was a move of desperation and it worked. Spain basicly gave into the demands of the terrorists by pulling their little bit out when they were hit. I feel it was the wrong thing to do. It, in my opinion, should have convinced them to get more involved and to come back with Force.

I do believe the best way is to strike the terrorists first. For one, it stirs them up and they come out of hiding. It's a lot easier to hit a target that's in the open than one who hides in the shadows.
Well I hope you have new ideas because the pro-emptive methods tried so far have failed. (don't give me shit about "no attacks on America since 2001" either)

I do believe the best way is to strike the terrorists first. For one, it stirs them up and they come out of hiding. It's a lot easier to hit a target that's in the open than one who hides in the shadows.

Secondly, taking it to their home, more than likely will keep them their and change their focus and abilities to strike others homes. Yes, I realize that they did attack Madrid. I feel that was a move of desperation and it worked. Spain basicly gave into the demands of the terrorists by pulling their little bit out when they were hit. I feel it was the wrong thing to do. It, in my opinion, should have convinced them to get more involved and to come back with Force.

Precisely. And the minute Spain does a single thing radical islam doesn't like, maybe a vote for Israel, a UN vote, some NATO funding issue, back will come the Al Qaeda murderers. Terrorists are not, they will return to the scene of past triumphs., and Madrd and its subsequent elections were a triumph beyond all terrorist dreams -- a country that, rather then anger, they could control, cow and force withdrawal through terrorism. A shining example of the value of mass murder against civilians as a means of effective Islamic political manipulation. Viva le spain !!!

Precisely. And the minute Spain does a single thing radical islam doesn't like, maybe a vote for Israel, a UN vote, some NATO funding issue, back will come the Al Qaeda murderers.
You mean like send a bunch of soldiers into the Middle East to challenge the power of Hezbollah and protect Israel's security? :rolleyes:

Precisely. And the minute Spain does a single thing radical islam doesn't like, maybe a vote for Israel, a UN vote, some NATO funding issue, back will come the Al Qaeda murderers.
Yes, obviously that's always happening... it's not like Madrid was a pretty much isolated event, after all...

Oh no. Wait a tick. Yes, yes it was.
Terrorists are not, they will return to the scene of past triumphs., and Madrd and its subsequent elections were a triumph beyond all terrorist dreams -- a country that, rather then anger, they could control, cow and force withdrawal through terrorism.
Yes... I'm sure that the Madrid bombings have had a massively profound effect upon the current politics of Spain.

Oh no, wait, I'm thinking of US paranoia again! Whoops! Had a bit of a Bush-esque slip of the tongue!
A shining example of the value of mass murder against civilians as a means of effective Islamic political manipulation. Viva le spain !!!
Excellent use of tarring the political systems in largely Islamic areas with one brush, there. Really shows what a carefully thought-out argument you have, to be honest.