NationStates Jolt Archive

I was just curious as to how many Moslems we have here on NS. I know that Sovietstan is, and I was a Moslem once, albeit for only 3 days. I also want to know if by being Moslem, do you agree or disagree with most posters on NS? Do you see yourself as just another poster, or do you make sure to seperate yourselves?

I'm strongly considering joining a Sufi order, if that counts...and it probably doesn't. I'm muslim sympathetic? 'ašhadu 'al-lā ilāha illā-llāh...

Muslim for three days? Was it a Vegas ceremony?

My boyfriends Muslim, but I'm secular... yet his influence on me has made me consider converting. :eek: :cool:

haven’t seen that spelling come up in awhile are you from the past by any chance?

By the way...is becoming Muslim what bored middle class kids do now instead of joining the Moonies?

Muslim for three days? Was it a Vegas ceremony?

Actually It was a time when I was in a slump in my Christian faith. I picked up a copy of the Quran, it started making sense, and I denounced a lot of my Christian beliefs. But then, a few days later I was moved to be christian again.

Actually It was a time when I was in a slump in my Christian faith. I picked up a copy of the Quran, it started making sense, and I denounced a lot of my Christian beliefs. But then, a few days later I was moved to be christian again.

Does that kind of thing come with a hangover?

haven’t seen that spelling come up in awhile are you from the past by any chance?

Thats how I actually pronounce it, but I know everyone else says Muslim.

Does that kind of thing come with a hangover?

Hangover???Um...No???:confused:

Hangover???Um...No???:confused:

Well, it's just that other kinds of experimentation usually do. Just checking if there was some sort of 'faith' hangover.

There is no evil but satan, and muhammad is his prophet.

Koran 9:29 Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility.

Koran 8:12 Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."

Koran 9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

Koran 9:73 Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their Home: an evil fate

Koran 47:4 When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom from them, until War shall lay down her burdens.

Personally I wish we could all get along regardless of our differences. We are all member of the same species if not race. I sometimes wish that we would find evidence of life on other planets in the hopes that it would bring us together at least in friendship.

There is no evil but satan, and muhammad is his prophet.

Find somewhere else to troll, please.

There is no evil but satan, and muhammad is his prophet.

Koran 9:29 Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility.

Koran 8:12 Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."

Koran 9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

Koran 9:73 Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their Home: an evil fate

Koran 47:4 When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom from them, until War shall lay down her burdens.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h182/theloneguardsman/150px-DoNotFeedTroll.png

There is no evil but satan, and muhammad is his prophet.
Did you manage to copy and paste that from an anti-muslim propaganda site all on your own, or did you have to ask someone to help you?

Knock off the copy/paste trolling.


~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Game Moderator
The One-Stop Rules Shop

I was just curious as to how many Moslems we have here on NS. I know that Sovietstan is, and I was a Moslem once, albeit for only 3 days. I also want to know if by being Moslem, do you agree or disagree with most posters on NS? Do you see yourself as just another poster, or do you make sure to seperate yourselves?

I disagree with most posters on here simply because I believe something to be true and wish to live a life most on here don't agree with but I do see myself as any other poster in that I come here to voice my opinion just as anyone else.

I disagree with most posters on here simply because I believe something to be true and wish to live a life most on here don't agree with but I do see myself as any other poster in that I come here to voice my opinion just as anyone else.

I'm with you on this one, though obviously not as a Muslim.

I'm ruthless, slightly evil and mildly alcoholic. Not to mention, not a muslim.

Knock off the copy/paste trolling.

Ok. you have to yell 'PROPAGANDA' and continue to call Troll, like everyone already has.

aren't those actual verses from the koran?

Truth=trolling?

or is it just pitting truth in an unpopular stance that = trolling?

please tell me.

A troll is a person who enters an established community such as an online discussion forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption, most often in the form of posting inflammatory, off-topic, insulting, or otherwise inappropriate messages.

So you're trolling.

Go away or make a valid point with out being inflammatory or insulting.

There is but, one God. His prophet cannot be known for sure by man. His will is certain, but misread. To kill others is wrong, for any reason save self defense. To follow a life of pacifism is priceless.

There is but, one God. His prophet cannot be known for sure by man. His will is certain, but misread. To kill others is wrong, for any reason save self defense. To follow a life of pacifism is priceless.

To follow a life of pacifism to me is deeply misguided.

Nope, I'm not Muslim. :)

aren't those actual verses from the koran?

I could, if I wanted to do a quick web search, come up with similar phrases from the Bible or any other religion's holy books, indicating a similar reaction to people not of their faith. Does that prove that God is Satan, and Jesus is the Anti-Christ?

Your quoting out-of-context Koran verses does not equal "truth". It's trolling by the rules of this site, and you can accept that, or leave. And that, good sir, is an Official Opinion.

~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Game Moderator
The One-Stop Rules Shop

A Valid Point About Islam:

During its earlier days its spread was helped due to the fact that Persia and the Eastern ‘Roman’ Empire were weakened by war, if it had not been due to this Islam would not have been able to spread so quickly or might have been destroyed. For quite a few centuries it allowed people to practice their own religion, after paying a special tax that most likely was designed to prevent the more radical groups of Islam from attacking them, in fact many Christians were even promoted under Islamic rulers. This was changed after the conversions of very radical Turkish tribes who destroyed many Christian holy sites and made non-Islamic peoples live in an oppressive manner. Due to this the Crusaders were launched and the ferocity they used could be seen as a way to show up the Turkish leaders of the lands, Saladin was in fact a Turk though was far less violent then many of his ancestors.

That is just a short summary really of the change of the early Islam.

Saladin was in fact a Turk though was far less violent then many of his ancestors.


I thought Salah al-Din was a Kurd,

Saladin or Salah al-Din, (Arabic: صلاح الدين الأيوبي, Kurdish: صلاح الدین ایوبی) (c. 1138 - March 4, 1193) was a twelfth century Kurdish Muslim general and warrior from Tikrit, in present day northern Iraq. He founded the Ayyubid dynasty of Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Iraq, Mecca Hejaz and Diyar Bakr.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saladin

I'm not a Muslim, but I am strongly considering reading the Koran (sp?). One of the main problems with the West is we don't understand - or try to understand - their culture or religion. However, I see no reason to let ignorance hold me back. I plan to learn as much as I can, so I can fully understand and appreciate Islam and its followers.

I thought Salah al-Din was a KurdWell, in analysis of development the Kurds are in fact genetically related t Greeks, they have lived in Anatolia for thousands of years. As well, I stated that the Kurds could in fact be called Turks, but really in just some senses like them as they were more recently converted and were a warlike people who probably spoke the same language as the Turks.

Your quoting out-of-context Koran verses does not equal "truth".
Alllrighty....Out of context.


To follow a life of pacifism to me is deeply misguided.


how's that for context?

Alllrighty....Out of context.





how's that for context?

Why yes, that too totally lacks context.

1, Soviestan is a troll like yourself who is about as Muslim as you are Chinese.

2, Pacifism IS misguided - or are you a pacifist? Unless you are a pacifist, and you'd have to be stupid to think anyone here is going to believe that given your bigoted, hateful ideology, then you too agree with that sentiment.

So if you were using that comment to prove how all Muslims are barbaric violent criminals, you failed. Utterly and miserably. Try again, nazi boy!

how's that for context?

Your really are hell-bent on making your stay with us a short one aren't you?

How does that quote in any way advocate violence?

Your really are hell-bent on making your stay with us a short one aren't you?

Not that that's a bad thing.

Not that that's a bad thing.

hell we should experdite his request.;)

I sometimes wish that we would find evidence of life on other planets in the hopes that it would bring us together at least in friendship.

Finding life on other planets won't bring humanity together unless this life form is as intelligent or more intelligent then we are. If this is so, then humans will be united together trying to save our collective asses because these life forms would eventually realize how crazy we are and attempt to annihilate us before we spread any further in the universe.

Humanity from its infancy has advanced due to conflict and struggle with ourselves and the elements of our environment. It is a state of mind that can't be shed easily, as one can observe in events around us. I doubt anything short of a cataclysmic event can bring people together.

Welp...ok...


you'uns have won. Mostly coz I just don't care about this forum crap
You won't hear anything that comes out of me keys coz I'm a "NAZI"
(for the record, i hate the NSADP).

In the End, You are mostly just kids, and I think you are probably fairly stupid ones at that...it isn't your fault, its your yuppie 'rents and the Tv passifier they gave you. Just realize that you are far more intolerant and hateful than me (who only wants to live amongst his own kind) and that your political faces (feces) will be seen for what they are, when the time comes.

If you ever had to grow up in the city, or if you ever get poor (you will soon) you might have some idea what my premise was about. otherwise, I wish you well..

Welp...ok...


you'uns have won. Mostly coz I just don't care about this forum crap
You won't hear anything that comes out of me keys coz I'm a "NAZI"
(for the record, i hate the NSADP).

In the End, You are mostly just kids, and I think you are probably fairly stupid ones at that...it isn't your fault, its your yuppie 'rents and the Tv passifier they gave you. Just realize that you are far more intolerant and hateful than me (who only wants to live amongst his own kind) and that your political faces (feces) will be seen for what they are, when the time comes.

If you ever had to grow up in the city, or if you ever get poor (you will soon) you might have some idea what my premise was about. otherwise, I wish you well..

Most of the people here are over 20.

If you ever had to grow up in the city I have, and still do...

or if you ever get poorI once was, but I pulled myself up...


you might have some idea what my premise was about. otherwise, I wish you well.. Not at all...

Welp...ok...


you'uns have won. Mostly coz I just don't care about this forum crap
You won't hear anything that comes out of me keys coz I'm a "NAZI"
(for the record, i hate the NSADP).

In the End, You are mostly just kids, and I think you are probably fairly stupid ones at that...it isn't your fault, its your yuppie 'rents and the Tv passifier they gave you. Just realize that you are far more intolerant and hateful than me (who only wants to live amongst his own kind) and that your political faces (feces) will be seen for what they are, when the time comes.

Awww.... :fluffle:

If you ever had to grow up in the city, or if you ever get poor (you will soon) you might have some idea what my premise was about. otherwise, I wish you well..

Poverty IS the real issue. When people don't get enough to live on, when they are forced to abandon the qualities that make them civilized in order to live another day, their inner craziness grows and manifests itself in a wide display of all the worst traits of humankind.

Poverty IS the real issue. When people don't get enough to live on, when they are forced to abandon the qualities that make them civilized in order to live another day, their inner craziness grows and manifests itself in a wide display of all the worst traits of humankind.


oohhhhh so now everyone wants to reply to the stinkbelly troll?


well eat it.

Tell me, Johhny post-it, Why is it that I grew up poor as shit, and never had to rob anyone? why didn't I steal food from the flea market(which was in bicycle distance), even when I went home to a baked potato for dinner. why didnt I jam a piece of wood in somebodies back and say I would shoot 'em if they didnt give me their money? Why am I sufficiently providing for myself now?

Civilized isnt in your upbringing, its in your genes.]



so eat it.

oohhhhh so now everyone wants to reply to the stinkbelly troll? No snack for you.


well eat it. You eat it.

Tell me, Johhny post-it, Why is it that I grew up poor as shit, and never had to rob anyone? why didn't I steal food from the flea market(which was in bicycle distance), even when I went home to a baked potato for dinner. why didnt I jam a piece of wood in somebodies back and say I would shoot 'em if they didnt give me their money? Why am I sufficiently providing for myself now?

Civilized isnt in your upbringing, its in your genes.] No, it's upbringing.



so eat it. Eat what, exactly?


Do you also consider suicide-by-Mod genetic too?

I in no way support WS's ideology, but it has always interested me to see people being intolerent in the name of tolerance. He has beliefs, is presenting proof as he understands it, and you guys are driving him out of here.

Rather than resort to ad hominen attacks (on both sides), would it not be more productive to rationally debate these things?

Mr. White Seperatists...

Don't be ignorant. The Koran is meant to be read ONLY in Arabic. If you're not reading it in Arabic, then you aren't reading the word of God, so you can't say crap. Please post Koranic verses in Arabic if you want to slander the Koran. OH WAIT IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT WHAT DO YOU POST!? omfg learn culture.

And I'm not a Muslim, but I prefer them to Christians.

Mr. White Seperatists...

Don't be ignorant. The Koran is meant to be read ONLY in Arabic. If you're not reading it in Arabic, then you aren't reading the word of God, so you can't say crap. Please post Koranic verses in Arabic if you want to slander the Koran. OH WAIT IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT WHAT DO YOU POST!? omfg learn culture.

And I'm not a Muslim, but I prefer them to Christians.

You could use that argument for just about every other holy book or ideological pamphlet in history.

Hey, how can you criticise Mein Kampf? It's mean to be read ONLY in German. If you didn't read it in German, you don't get it.

The Koran is meant to be read ONLY in Arabic. If you're not reading it in Arabic, then you aren't reading the word of God, so you can't say crap. Please post Koranic verses in Arabic if you want to slander the Koran. OH WAIT IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT WHAT DO YOU POST!? omfg learn culture.

This is interesting too. I know the Koran is meant to be read in Arabic, but isn't it a bit exclusive to claim it can ONLY be read in Arabic? Do Muslims, then, exclude non-Arabic speakers from becoming Muslim? I for a fact know they don't. I also was under the impression that the Koran has been translated. So, what, this is not considered to be the Koran simply because it is in the language I understand best?

There are some differences in translation, but the idea is still the same. That is like saying Hola and Hello do not mean the same thing.

Obviously, the Koran is most precise when in its original language, but I do think you are being unnecessarily restrictive in the language it can be presented in.

This is interesting too. I know the Koran is meant to be read in Arabic, but isn't it a bit exclusive to claim it can ONLY be read in Arabic? Do Muslims, then, exclude non-Arabic speakers from becoming Muslim? I for a fact know they don't. I also was under the impression that the Koran has been translated. So, what, this is not considered to be the Koran simply because it is in the language I understand best?

There are some differences in translation, but the idea is still the same. That is like saying Hola and Hello do not mean the same thing.

Obviously, the Koran is most precise when in its original language, but I do think you are being unnecessarily restrictive in the language it can be presented in.

If you look at indonesia, the worlds largest nation of muslims, i beleive all of the muslims there are supposed to learn arabic, as its required to understand the original pure meaning from Allah, and not translated by man.

You could use that argument for just about every other holy book or ideological pamphlet in history.

Hey, how can you criticise Mein Kampf? It's mean to be read ONLY in German. If you didn't read it in German, you don't get it.

Firstly meaning is lost in translation. Try translating a french poem into english and see if it as accurate. for everyday use, sure the Quraan can be understood in any other language but for academic purposes, the Quraan is to be taken in Arabic.

If you look at indonesia, the worlds largest nation of muslims, i beleive all of the muslims there are supposed to learn arabic, as its required to understand the original pure meaning from Allah, and not translated by man.

not suppose, but encouraged, especially if you want to do tafsir work and stuff liddat. tehn again the meaning is still lost to some wacko's who blow themselves up.

I am.

I am.

No offense, but with a name like that, I doubt you'll be here long.

It explicilty says in the Koran that it can only be read in arabic. It doesn't say that in Mein Kampf or the Bible, sorry. And no, I doubt they would exclude you, but they almost always highly suggest learning Arabic after converting.

Melayu is exactly correct tho. Jesus Christ, for example, is not his name. Christ means Messiah, Jesus has a different meaning too (I think it's a shortened version of a Hebrew word, basically if I remember the class correctly, which I took a while back, Jesus Christ is a redundant title instead of an actual name). Meaning is lost in translation.

It explicilty says in the Koran that it can only be read in arabic. It doesn't say that in Mein Kampf or the Bible, sorry. And no, I doubt they would exclude you, but they almost always highly suggest learning Arabic after converting.

They do that to hide their motives. It's called "tactics."

then again the meaning is still lost to some wacko's who blow themselves up.
Quoted for truth

It's called maintaining your own culture in the face of adversity and diversity. It also creates a lingua franca throughout the muslim world, promoting solidarity. So therefore, you're correct, it is tactics. The same reason the Church tried keeping the book in Latin (which I miss) only there is no universal Church for Muslims (although there is the 'Ummah'...)

Quoted for truth

The same could be said of Zionists, Crusaders, and Buddhists practicing immolation.

It's called maintaining your own culture in the face of adversity and diversity. It also creates a lingua franca throughout the muslim world, promoting solidarity. So therefore, you're correct, it is tactics. The same reason the Church tried keeping the book in Latin (which I miss) only there is no universal Church for Muslims (although there is the 'Ummah'...)

The Church kept the Bible in Latin to keep the people stupid.

The Church kept the Bible in Latin to keep the people stupid.

No its kept in latin so they dont discover that God is actually having gay sex

No its kept in latin so they dont discover that God is actually having gay sex

O.O

That's a disconnected opinion, it's the fuedal lords fault for not educating their people. The only person in a medieval town who knew how to read was usually the tavernkeeper. At any rate, Granada had street lights before Paris had brick houses. If you think Islam is in any way less developed than the rest of the world, you are far off. Their Renaissance came long before the Italians. And potato, you took the one minor sentence from that post, what about the rest? Arabic isn't meant to create stupidity because the Mosques take efforts to teach Arabic unlike the Churches teaching Latin.

No its kept in latin so they dont discover that God is actually having gay sex

What do you think "Love thy fellow man" means? :fluffle:

I would also like to point out since the fall of the roman empire, latin is a dead language. so no one speaks it

While arabic is actually used.....

It shows here that the catholic church is being difficult.

I would also like to point out since the fall of the roman empire, latin is a dead language. so no one speaks it

While arabic is actually used.....

It shows here that the catholic church is being difficult.

Classical Arabic is a dead language, and if IIRC the Qur'an is written in that very type of arabic

The Bible wasn't written in Latin first, it was written in Hebrew... by Jews :eek:

Classical Arabic is a dead language, and if IIRC the Qur'an is written in that very type of arabic

That is still much better than latin dont you agree?

I fail to see how any of it matters. The point is that both religions were/ are being discriminatory upon the basis of the knowledge of their constituents.

Someone should go back in time and stab jesus then go forward 600 years and stab Allah, then we sent numerous jewish and buddhist missonaries in place

n/c

Someone should go back in time and stab jesus then go forward 600 years and stab Allah, then we sent numerous jewish and buddhist missonaries in place

It would be rather difficult to stab a being who is either a) imaginary or b) omnipotent.

And how is Judaism any better than Christianity or Islam?

I do like Buddhism, but part of their appeal is they don't force their ideas upon people. They just let you figure things out for yourself.

I was just curious as to how many Moslems we have here on NS. I know that Sovietstan is, and I was a Moslem once, albeit for only 3 days. I also want to know if by being Moslem, do you agree or disagree with most posters on NS? Do you see yourself as just another poster, or do you make sure to seperate yourselves?

Moslem? I've never seen it spelled like that before. Mostly, I agree with people on Nationstates, apart from the annoying shits who asume that I'm a democrat pretending to be Iraqi to prove a point. I really just se myself as another NS user.

*snip* Moslem? I've never seen it spelled like that before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MuslimUntil the late 1980s, the term Moslem was commonly used. Muslims do not recommend this spelling because it is often pronounced "mawzlem" /mɒzlɛm/ which sounds somewhat similar to an Arabic word for "oppressed" (Za'lem in Arabic).[citation needed] The word is pronounced /muslem/ in Arabic, but often /mʊślɪm/ in English. The word is now most commonly written "Muslim".

Actually, that's how I learned to spell it. Then again, I had a grandmother who insisted on calling them all 'Moors' as well, so...:rolleyes:

Actually, that's how I learned to spell it. Then again, I had a grandmother who insisted on calling them all 'Moors' as well, so...:rolleyes:

ROFL!

Was she 900 years old?

It would be rather difficult to stab a being who is either a) imaginary or b) omnipotent.

And how is Judaism any better than Christianity or Islam?

I do like Buddhism, but part of their appeal is they don't force their ideas upon people. They just let you figure things out for yourself.

Have three religions that tell you their god is the real one put them in one small area and what you get..... So one annoying religion is better than 3, and we can always try confusecianism(spelling sucks)

If we can stab jesus, we will burn bethelhem and jerusalem
If we cant stab allah, we will burn Mecca, medina and jerusalem

ROFL!

Was she 400 years old?


No, but she was of Spanish descent, and iirc Moor is still a 'catch-all' for Moslems er Muslims over there.

Im not a Muslim, and I dont ever see myself becoming one, because they seem wackier than Christians.

No, but she was of Spanish descent, and iirc Moor is still a 'catch-all' for Moslems er Muslims over there.

That's just weird.

That's just weird.

No, that's just language! :p It doesn't stay the same....

What you SHOULD do is make a survey asking this question:

How many people know that the God of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism is the same? How many people know that all three are born directly from the same book? How many people realise that Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophet (not a Messiah or son of God, but a prophet nonetheless)?

There is but, one God. His prophet cannot be known for sure by man. His will is certain, but misread. To kill others is wrong, for any reason save self defense. To follow a life of pacifism is priceless.

thank you. yay pacifism!

To follow a life of pacifism to me is deeply misguided.

erm, how exactly?

This is interesting too. I know the Koran is meant to be read in Arabic, but isn't it a bit exclusive to claim it can ONLY be read in Arabic? Do Muslims, then, exclude non-Arabic speakers from becoming Muslim? I for a fact know they don't. I also was under the impression that the Koran has been translated. So, what, this is not considered to be the Koran simply because it is in the language I understand best?

There are some differences in translation, but the idea is still the same. That is like saying Hola and Hello do not mean the same thing.

Obviously, the Koran is most precise when in its original language, but I do think you are being unnecessarily restrictive in the language it can be presented in.

eh, the koran is to arabic what the entire works of shakespeare, the king james bible, and chaucer are to english. it can't be overstated how closely connected arabic language and the Qur'an are. I think it *is* fair to say that you have to read it in the origional language. I'm sorry, but from what I know of the importance of understanding koine greek to studying early christian theological debates, I can very much understand the point that for something as major as the Qur'an, you have to take it in its origional language. it's a little bit like the myth that eskimos have dozens of words for snow (they don't actually have any more than we do, coincidentally) - it doesn't hold true in that example, but as far as one language being more expressive in certain areas than another, this is certainly very true. most of my experience is with classical languages, but I must say that there are very important bits of information, beyond mere shades of meaning, that you can really only get from saying something in the origional language - I've taken to using latin and greek words occasionally just because there are simply no english equivolents. with something like religion, translation doesn't often (or even usually) work. try to explain the egyptian afterlife without using egyptian words: you basicly can't. christological controversies cannot be explained without referring back to greek - and I suspect Arabic to be the same way.

Melayu is exactly correct tho. Jesus Christ, for example, is not his name. Christ means Messiah, Jesus has a different meaning too (I think it's a shortened version of a Hebrew word, basically if I remember the class correctly, which I took a while back, Jesus Christ is a redundant title instead of an actual name). Meaning is lost in translation.

Yeshua - "The Lord Saves" was his name. same name as the one translated "Joshua" elsewhere in the bible. Christos means "the annointed one" - (not messiah), and no, the meaning is not actually lost in translation. at least not for anyone I've talked to...lol

The same could be said of Zionists, Crusaders, and Buddhists practicing immolation.

I can't even begin to say how annoying it is to see self-immolating buddhists compared to rapidly violent zionists and crusaders. these are not the same phenominon.

The Church kept the Bible in Latin to keep the people stupid.

...given what having the bible in the vernacular has done for the intellgence level of the general population, (...nothing), I can't say that your theory holds alot of water. a good half (for much of history, they were probably the majority) of christians were never members of the roman church - which represents only one of 5 ancient patriarchies...the churches of jerusalem, antioch, constantinople, and alexandria allowed translation into the vernacular from ancient times. please specify "the Roman Church", as roman catholicism was never the only apostolic see, nor were the roman church's abuses (indulgences, simony, the inquisitions, etc) universal - in fact I don't believe indulgences or inquisitions, or witch burnings ever took place outside of roman catholic and protestant areas.

I would also like to point out since the fall of the roman empire, latin is a dead language. so no one speaks it

While arabic is actually used.....

It shows here that the catholic church is being difficult.

hey, I speak latin, thank you very much! it's useful for attempting to communicate with non-english speaking hispanics. add a spanish ending on most latin words and you're good to go.

Classical Arabic is a dead language, and if IIRC the Qur'an is written in that very type of arabic

but most literate and educated speakers of modern arabic are capable of understanding classical arabic. not all english speakers would understand shakespeare, elizabethan english is basicly dead, but it's still perfectly well understood by many people. as I understand, classical arabic is the same way. multiple arabic speakers have told me I could understand classical arabic (with a little bit of extra work) if I were to become fluent in the modern sort.

Actually, that's how I learned to spell it. Then again, I had a grandmother who insisted on calling them all 'Moors' as well, so...:rolleyes:

moors?!? that's awesome! my grandparents just call people negroes. I wish they called them blackamoors or something historically interesting. note to self: find spanish grandmother

What you SHOULD do is make a survey asking this question:

How many people know that the God of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism is the same? How many people know that all three are born directly from the same book? How many people realise that Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophet (not a Messiah or son of God, but a prophet nonetheless)?

...don't most people? it's pretty damn obvious...

I have taste, culture, and consider myself an Englishman. Why on earth would I enter into a reactionary, mysogynistic, hawkish anachronism?

Im a Türk and a muslim. I don't know arabic like the rest of population and have Turkish Kuran with me. The information must be shared according to islam and binding it to just one language is not acceptable. Also I would like to say that I don't dress like arab, I am not culturally arab and etc. I don't have a camel(but smoke camel), my country is not a desert, I don't live in arabia etc.

I have my own nationality and character above nationality. I'm secular and believe that religion or personal beliefs have no place at goverment, only stone cold logic and justice. I believe in the Republic and willingly serve my country, in the process going against corruption and fascism within as much as(or more than) enemies outside.
I see buddhism as closest religion to islam as I believe in it. I accept Christianity, Judaism and other Abrahamic beliefs to be just and true. My only problem about them is them being changed over time from their originals. Like merging paganism into christianity to make it acceptable to Roman army, do you get it?

What you SHOULD do is make a survey asking this question:

How many people know that the God of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism is the same? How many people know that all three are born directly from the same book? How many people realise that Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophet (not a Messiah or son of God, but a prophet nonetheless)?


I don't believe that the God of Islam & Christianity, are the same, after all wouldn't a father recognize his son? The God of Christianity recognizes Jesus as his only begotten son. But if the God of Islam only recognizes him as a prophet and not his son then these can't be the same God can they?

What you SHOULD do is make a survey asking this question:

How many people know that the God of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism is the same? How many people know that all three are born directly from the same book? How many people realise that Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophet (not a Messiah or son of God, but a prophet nonetheless)?

...don't most people? it's pretty damn obvious...

I disagree ... they are not the same.

Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility.

I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."

Koran 47:4 When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom from them, until War shall lay down her burdens.

Thats not very nice, bad muslim! :(

haven’t seen that spelling come up in awhile are you from the past by any chance?

Next he'll be telling all those Mahometan nations to behave themselves.

Im a Türk and a muslim. I don't know arabic like the rest of population and have Turkish Kuran with me. The information must be shared according to islam and binding it to just one language is not acceptable. Also I would like to say that I don't dress like arab, I am not culturally arab and etc. I don't have a camel(but smoke camel), my country is not a desert, I don't live in arabia etc.

I have my own nationality and character above nationality. I'm secular and believe that religion or personal beliefs have no place at goverment, only stone cold logic and justice. I believe in the Republic and willingly serve my country, in the process going against corruption and fascism within as much as(or more than) enemies outside.
I see buddhism as closest religion to islam as I believe in it. I accept Christianity, Judaism and other Abrahamic beliefs to be just and true. My only problem about them is them being changed over time from their originals. Like merging paganism into christianity to make it acceptable to Roman army, do you get it?

Power to the people!
Modern day religion is just a political spin to fit the masses.

I don't believe that the God of Islam & Christianity, are the same, after all wouldn't a father recognize his son? The God of Christianity recognizes Jesus as his only begotten son. But if the God of Islam only recognizes him as a prophet and not his son then these can't be the same God can they?

You have in a sentence or two stated the difference between the organized religions of Islam and Christianity. When Islam became strong enough to protect itself from the violence perpatrated against it by the non-believing Arabs of the Arabian pennisula and then the Christians and Jews who did not recognized the Spirit of Revelation returned the battle cry for Christians was Christ the Son of God and the Trinity as three Gods in one. Islam rejected these tenets as impossible saying that: There is no God but God; and Muhammed is His Prophet. Islam and other religions reject that there are two or three Gods.

Islam rejected that Son of God was intended in a physical sense. I believe most Christians reject the notion that God somehow gave birth to a physical child.

I have taste, culture, and consider myself an Englishman. Why on earth would I enter into a reactionary, mysogynistic, hawkish anachronism?

So that's a no then? :rolleyes:
I think Keruvalia is/was a muslim, but he's not round here anymore, it would appear.

Okay, whoever wants to see me applying my Brutus' Honor maneuver to the "white supremacy" crowd, say Aye. If I get more than 7 requests, it's Shakespeare on their behinds...

I'm strongly considering joining a Sufi order, if that counts...and it probably doesn't. I'm muslim sympathetic? 'ašhadu 'al-lā ilāha illā-llāh...
My boyfriends Muslim, but I'm secular... yet his influence on me has made me consider converting. :eek: :cool:
Well, do you believe in Allah, and Mohammed's (pbuh) status as a holy prophet?

By the way...is becoming Muslim what bored middle class kids do now instead of joining the Moonies?
Religion is not a joke. Don't presume it to be so just because you're hardcore atheist.

There is no evil but satan, and muhammad is his prophet.
I don't agree with Islam, but it's not the religion of the devil. Better to be Muslim than atheist, I think.

Why yes, that too totally lacks context.

1, Soviestan is a troll like yourself who is about as Muslim as you are Chinese.

2, Pacifism IS misguided - or are you a pacifist?
1. I don't see how Soviestan is any more a troll than you are. At least he doesn't go into every thread screaming "racist!" at the people he disagrees with.

2. I don't think pacifism is misguided; it's the greatest way to live.


If you ever had to grow up in the city, or if you ever get poor (you will soon) you might have some idea what my premise was about. otherwise, I wish you well..
In fairness, you are pretty much a Nazi. Hating Islam has nothing to do with being urban or poor, unless that means ignorance.


And I'm not a Muslim, but I prefer them to Christians.
Where do you live? Why would you say that?

I am.
Nice username!

Christ means Messiah
No, Christ is derived from "cross".

That's a disconnected opinion, it's the fuedal lords fault for not educating their people. The only person in a medieval town who knew how to read was usually the tavernkeeper. At any rate, Granada had street lights before Paris had brick houses. If you think Islam is in any way less developed than the rest of the world, you are far off. Their Renaissance came long before the Italians. And potato, you took the one minor sentence from that post, what about the rest? Arabic isn't meant to create stupidity because the Mosques take efforts to teach Arabic unlike the Churches teaching Latin.
You're looking for this thread. (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=511967)

Let's face it, Soviestan's head is so far up his ass that the rest of his body qualifies as a hat. I am so damn tired of hearing about Allah and the war on islam and how woman should be humble.

I mean, I'm sorry. But I'm tired of constantly hearing about his religion. I'm fine with being a muslim, but he seems totally obsessed with mentioning his religion in every post. And then he leaves so he doesn't have to read the retorts. It pisses me off. Muslim I can deal with, Troll I cannot.

Let's face it, Soviestan's head is so far up his ass that the rest of his body qualifies as a hat. I am so damn tired of hearing about Allah and the war on islam and how woman should be humble.
I hope you have a good time on your Christmas holiday from NS, as will no doubt be imposed on you for this über-flame.

I hope you have a good time on your Christmas holiday from NS, as will no doubt be imposed on you for this über-flame.

Eh. No one got a holiday for insulting Fourth Holy Reich, MTAE, or any of the other trolls. Why should I?

I was just curious as to how many Moslems we have here on NS. I know that Sovietstan is, and I was a Moslem once, albeit for only 3 days. I also want to know if by being Moslem, do you agree or disagree with most posters on NS? Do you see yourself as just another poster, or do you make sure to seperate yourselves?

Moslem? Is that anything like MUSLIM? :headbang:

&& If you understood Christianity, you'd realise that the two religions actually SHARE the first 5 books of the bible.

I don't agree with Islam, but it's not the religion of the devil. Better to be Muslim than atheist, I think.
:headbang:
1. I don't see how Soviestan is any more a troll than you are. At least he doesn't go into every thread screaming "racist!" at the people he disagrees with
If saying that Jews are the new Nazis, that Muslims shouldn't associate themselves with them, that women should be humble, that non-Muslims are 'unbelievers' etc. isn't borderline trolling, I'm Tony Blair.

I don't agree with Islam, but it's not the religion of the devil. Better to be Muslim than atheist, I think.

Better to be an ethical person than identifying oneself based on religion - ANY one, including atheism.

Better to be an ethical person than identifying oneself based on religion - ANY one, including atheism.

Agreed.

Eh. No one got a holiday for insulting Fourth Holy Reich, MTAE, or any of the other trolls. Why should I?Maybe its an unwritten rule.. You are allowed to insult "some" NSers..

;)

You have in a sentence or two stated the difference between the organized religions of Islam and Christianity. When Islam became strong enough to protect itself from the violence perpatrated against it by the non-believing Arabs of the Arabian pennisula and then the Christians and Jews who did not recognized the Spirit of Revelation returned the battle cry for Christians was Christ the Son of God and the Trinity as three Gods in one. Islam rejected these tenets as impossible saying that: There is no God but God; and Muhammed is His Prophet. Islam and other religions reject that there are two or three Gods.

Islam rejected that Son of God was intended in a physical sense. I believe most Christians reject the notion that God somehow gave birth to a physical child.

You believe wrong .... Jesus Christ ... Christians .... do you see a resemblance there? You can't be a Christian without Jesus ... Da!