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And a declaration should be made from Allah and His Messenger to these people on the day of the great Hajj that Allah is free from [all] obligations to these Idolaters and so is His Messenger. So if you [O Idolaters!] repent, it is better for you, but if you turn away, then know that you cannot escape from the grasp of Allah. And give tidings [O Muhammad (sws)] of a painful torment to these disbelievers. Except those of these Idolaters with whom you have a treaty, and who have not shown treachery in it nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to the end of their term. Indeed, Allah loves those who abide by the limits. Then when the sacred months [after the Hajj] have passed, kill these Idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they repent and establish the prayer, and give Zakah, then leave them alone. Indeed, Allah is Ever Forgiving, Most Merciful. (9:3-5)

Fight those who believe not in Allah or the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission and are subdued. (9:29)

Of course there are verses in the Koran that preach leving infidels alone if htey wish to remain neutral, but these verses were abrogated by later verses. The Suras of the Koran are ordered by length and are not chronological. Sura 9 is one of the last written, so it abrogates all preceding verses it may conflict with. According to Mohammed, Allah can change his mind whenever.

Does Allah send a memo when he changes his mind or do we have to be able to mind read like with GFs and wives?

Does Islam have fundies like Christianity do?

Does Islam have fundies like Christianity do?
Yes... yes, it does.

Allah's will? When did he die? Did he leave me anything?

Yes... yes, it does.

Is there any religion that doesn't have annoying fundies that will condemn you to hell if you don't get on your knees in front of them?

Is there any religion that doesn't have annoying fundies that will condemn you to hell if you don't get on your knees in front of them?

A religion that believes kneeling is a damnable offense?

Is there any religion that doesn't have annoying fundies that will condemn you to hell if you don't get on your knees in front of them?

Sikhism's fairly short on evangelical fundamentalists, in my personal experience, but that's not to say there aren't any.

Is there any religion that doesn't have annoying fundies that will condemn you to hell if you don't get on your knees in front of them?
I dunno that there are really any fundamentalist Buddhists. I might be extremely wrong on that, mind.

Allah's will? When did he die? Did he leave me anything?

yep, he left you the Used Camel Dealership in Kuwait. :D

Is there any religion that doesn't have annoying fundies that will condemn you to hell if you don't get on your knees in front of them?

Buddism and Judaism, I think.

Is there any religion that doesn't have annoying fundies that will condemn you to hell if you don't get on your knees in front of them?
those are ether Fundies or Perverts... be careful either way. :p

yep, he left you the Used Camel Dealership in Kuwait. :D

Oh boy, and what do I get?! *jumps up and down clapping my hand*

Is there any religion that doesn't have annoying fundies that will condemn you to hell if you don't get on your knees in front of them?

Yep. If you weren't born Zoroastrian, you can't convert to it. As far as they're concerned, we're all irredeemable.

Oh boy, and what do I get?! *jumps up and down clapping my hand*

Uncle Abdula's Minute CousCous factory. :p

yep, he left you the Used Camel Dealership in Kuwait. :D

A used camel dealership in the middle east? I'll go broke! Those people never stop haggling and trying to get a lower price.

Uncle Abdula's Minute CousCous factory. :p

I shall convert it to Wilgrove's Minute Hamburger Factory!

Buddism and Judaism, I think.

Buddhism's treated as some sort of ideal religion where every follower is nice, where in fact, you get your share of Buddhists who think you're going to hell, or an equivalent. Remember, not all Buddhists believe in reincarnation, or any other specific doctrine. Some believe in Gods and Demons, and it's really just the old religions under the flag of Buddhism.

Buddhism's treated as some sort of ideal religion where every follower is nice, where in fact, you get your share of Buddhists who think you're going to hell, or an equivalent. Remember, not all Buddhists believe in reincarnation, or any other specific doctrine. Some believe in Gods and Demons, and it's really just the old religions under the flag of Buddhism.

ahh blah, I hate it when people take things to the extreme.

I dunno that there are really any fundamentalist Buddhists. I might be extremely wrong on that, mind.

Yeah, you are. Buddhism as a whole has been quite effective in pulling the wool over everyones' eyes in making them think they are so peace-loving and gentle. The fact is that there have been Buddhist holy wars and Buddhist nations today still act in as douchebaggish a way as any other.

Buddism and Judaism, I think.

Buddhism has already been covered.

Judaism is hardly free of fundies. Take a look at all the protests against the gay rights parade that was scheduled for Jerusalem. Lots and lots of Jewish fundies right there.

I dunno that there are really any fundamentalist Buddhists. I might be extremely wrong on that, mind.

Sri-Lanka has its share of fundamentalist buddhists. They go out and attack churches. Also they hold death fasts against 'unlawful' conversions.

I'm not going to let you twist the word of the Qur'an so stop it. You sound worse than bin Laden claiming you understand Islam when you know nothing.



A declaration of complete absolution on the part of Allah and his Messenger(from all obligations) to those polytheists with whom you had entered a into treaty(which they broke)(9:1)
And a declaration should be made from Allah and His Messenger to these people on the day of the great Hajj that Allah is free from [all] obligations to these Idolaters and so is His Messenger. So if you [O Idolaters!] repent, it is better for you, but if you turn away, then know that you cannot escape from the grasp of Allah. And give tidings [O Muhammad (sws)] of a painful torment to these disbelievers. Except those of these Idolaters with whom you have a treaty, and who have not shown treachery in it nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to the end of their term. Indeed, Allah loves those who abide by the limits. Then when the sacred months [after the Hajj] have passed, kill these Idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush(who broke the treaties). But if they repent and establish the prayer, and give Zakah, then leave them alone. Indeed, Allah is Ever Forgiving, Most Merciful. (9:3-5)


Its talking about one case, its a directive from Allah, it does not say kill all unbelievers. Get a new Qur'an, yours is broken. Better yet study Islam and Qur'an before you preach this nonsense.



Allah has already helped you on many a battle field and on the day of Hunain(a battle) when your multitude made you feel proud but it availed you nought and the land with all its spaciousness become straitened for you then you turned back retreating.(9:25)
Fight those who believe not in Allah or the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission and are subdued. (9:29)

again you left the part where its talking about one battle.

Of course there are verses in the Koran that preach leving infidels alone if htey wish to remain neutral but these verses were abrogated by later verses. The Suras of the Koran are ordered by length and are not chronological. Sura 9 is one of the last written, so it abrogates all preceding verses it may conflict with.
yes because they talk about how we should act in every day life towards non-Muslims, not what Allah told Muslims to do in battles years ago.

Like I said in the last thread, if Al wants me to change my ways, he knows where my pineal gland is.

Is there any religion that doesn't have annoying fundies that will condemn you to hell if you don't get on your knees in front of them?

judaism doesn't have a concept of hell.

judaism doesn't have a concept of hell.

if you think jews don't have fundies your off your rocker.

ALLAH! Protect me from your people (http://boortz.com/)

if you think jews don't have fundies your off your rocker.Yes, but they don't condemn you to hell, since they don't believe in it.

Yes, but they don't condemn you to hell, since they don't believe in it.

so doesnt that make them special now or something?

Is there any religion that doesn't have annoying fundies that will condemn you to hell if you don't get on your knees in front of them?

Mormons?

so doesnt that make them special now or something?
It makes them a minority, it seems, the way people go about condemning each other's souls over lifestyle differences all day long these days.

And a declaration should be made from Allah and His Messenger to these people on the day of the great Hajj that Allah is free from [all] obligations to these Idolaters and so is His Messenger. So if you [O Idolaters!] repent, it is better for you, but if you turn away, then know that you cannot escape from the grasp of Allah. And give tidings [O Muhammad (sws)] of a painful torment to these disbelievers. Except those of these Idolaters with whom you have a treaty, and who have not shown treachery in it nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to the end of their term. Indeed, Allah loves those who abide by the limits. Then when the sacred months [after the Hajj] have passed, kill these Idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they repent and establish the prayer, and give Zakah, then leave them alone. Indeed, Allah is Ever Forgiving, Most Merciful. (9:3-5)

Fight those who believe not in Allah or the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission and are subdued. (9:29)

Of course there are verses in the Koran that preach leving infidels alone if htey wish to remain neutral, but these verses were abrogated by later verses. The Suras of the Koran are ordered by length and are not chronological. Sura 9 is one of the last written, so it abrogates all preceding verses it may conflict with. According to Mohammed, Allah can change his mind whenever.

All right, I'm going to ask you a question, plain and simple and I want a straightforward yes or no answer. Have you ever sat down and actually read the Qu'ran?

So, you couldn't get everyone to jump on your "ISLAM IS EVIL" bandwagon in Soviestan's thread, so you decided to copy your post exactly into your own thread?

if you think jews don't have fundies your off your rocker.

Now tell me...is that what I said?

Let's check:

judaism doesn't have a concept of hell.

Nope, guess that's not what I said at all. Oh well, try to up that reading comprehention.

So, you couldn't get everyone to jump on your "ISLAM IS EVIL" bandwagon in Soviestan's thread, so you decided to copy your post exactly into your own thread?

yeah pretty much. In fact I think he just copied and pasted the post from another website that bashed Islam. Do you really think he looked up those passages in the Qur'an on his own? I'm guessing not.

Mormons?

Nah they just kill you in the name of Blood Atonement.

And this is interesting how?

Big deal, God changes His will whenever he wants to. Pfft. And? So can we.

And it's not like He would mind, either.

Is there any religion that doesn't have annoying fundies that will condemn you to hell if you don't get on your knees in front of them?

the afro caribbean ones don't really have a hell - though the black power movement has hijacked it recently rather like hippies hijacked buddhism and hinduism in the US - and have started to insist on making it a pure african cult (no catholic elements)...never mind most black people in the US are mixed, and that there are as many mulatto (including native american) and european folks practising it as black...

Sikhism's fairly short on evangelical fundamentalists, in my personal experience, but that's not to say there aren't any.

they're kind of harsh on some folks - but that's just my gay agenda showing.

I dunno that there are really any fundamentalist Buddhists. I might be extremely wrong on that, mind.

I've heard of buddhist religious persecutions - in sri lanka I think
Buddism and Judaism, I think.

*buzz* try again!

Yep. If you weren't born Zoroastrian, you can't convert to it. As far as they're concerned, we're all irredeemable.

same thing with the Druze. it's unfortunate - the Druze are way interesting...they're neoplatonist gnostic muslims...sorta. they won't even tell outsiders the majority of what they believe. pity...

Buddhism's treated as some sort of ideal religion where every follower is nice, where in fact, you get your share of Buddhists who think you're going to hell, or an equivalent. Remember, not all Buddhists believe in reincarnation, or any other specific doctrine. Some believe in Gods and Demons, and it's really just the old religions under the flag of Buddhism.

ahh blah, I hate it when people take things to the extreme.

Fon animist beliefs in buddhism aren't exactly "extreme" - the buddhists who are practicing the old religions along side buddhism are not the ones, to my knowledge, who are fundies. animists tend to be rather eclectic, and consequentially rather tolerant.

Yeah, you are. Buddhism as a whole has been quite effective in pulling the wool over everyones' eyes in making them think they are so peace-loving and gentle. The fact is that there have been Buddhist holy wars and Buddhist nations today still act in as
douchebaggish a way as any other.

I don't think they're trying to deceive anybody. the fact that quakers and menonites have made a point of never so much as fighting back when persecuted doesn't mean they're deliberately deceiving people...what a sri lankan buddhist does has nothing to do with what an american buddhist does - no more than the amish can be held responsible for the spanish inquisition because they're both under the broad label "christianity"

Sri-Lanka has its share of fundamentalist buddhists. They go out and attack churches. Also they hold death fasts against 'unlawful' conversions.

to be faith, the conversions they're talking about can be pretty subversive. evangeical christians moving into other regions are often manipulative and violent. several intiated priests of my religion were burned alive in brazil by fanatical american christians who insisted they were demon worshipping satanists. the brazilian government ruled in favour of the candomble house and expelled the american pentecostal fanatics who had attacked and murdered the local religious elders...I've heard people say that when traditional religions protest christians moving in and doing shit like that, ripping families apart and demonising ancient religions, they're just violent and "anti christian" - I suspect what some people would call "Attacking churches" others would call putting up a civil, non-violent resistance to the complete assimilation of thier culture. obviously violence is never excusable, but until I see an unpartial discussion of these so called "attacks" on churches, I'm going to favour the natives. anything less than totally rolling over and showing outright hatred for their traditional religions could be construed as "attacking the church", as far as some christians are concerned.

judaism doesn't have a concept of hell.

Sheol?

Mormons?

HA! you don't have to bomb a building to do violence to others. the mormons create an insular society and all but brainwash children and converts into believing a living man is god's voice on earth. he weilds disgusting ammounts of control over their lives, is in control of untold millions of dollars, and has his church engage in numerous illegal activities (funding and otherwise illegally interfering with elections in states where they have influence chief among them - though I've heard horror stories about the way you're treated at BYU if you get out of line - campus police following people, taking down license plate numbers and then students expelled, transcripts burned...shit like that) - individual mormons can be lovely people, but they believe a crock of horse shit that flies in the face of the archaeological record and common sense a dozen times more extremely than 95% of other religions - and vest a dangerous ammount of authority in someone who is either a lunatic (who thinks god talks to him and gives him instructs to run millions of people's lives) or a scam-artist. the LDS church is not benign. just the bullshit they try to pull with archaeology astounds me. did you know native americans were white and jewish, had horses and practiced iron smelting, until they sinned? then god turned them brown and stupid as punishment! never mind iron smelting was a fiercely gaurded secret known only to a small tribe on the outskirts of the aztec empire, and that horses went extinct in the americas in the ice age...:headbang:


All right, I'm going to ask you a question, plain and simple and I want a straightforward yes or no answer. Have you ever sat down and actually read the Qu'ran?

while I sympathise with the point you're trying to make - reading the bible would give you absolutely no picture of what christians and christianity were like - I don't think reading the qur'an is any more likely to tell you want islam is like. for all they half worship their damn books, the abrahamic religions don't actually pay attention to them - the orthodox jews perhaps come close, though.

if you think jews don't have fundies your off your rocker.

That's not what Arthais said. Arthais said that Judaism does not have a concept of hell.

Do actually read what's on the screen.

Sheol?

Sheol (שאול) is the Hebrew language word denoting the "abode of the dead"; the "underworld", "grave" or "pit". The general idea of this word is “the place of the dead” including the grave (cf. Num. 16:30,33; Ps. 16:10), and the unseen place of those who have departed from this life, the place of departed spirits or both the righteous (Gen. 37:35) and the wicked (Prov. 9:18).

It is portrayed as a comfortless place beneath the earth, beyond gates, where both the bad and the good, slave and king, pious and wicked must go after death to sleep in silence and oblivion in the dust.

I said Judaism doesn't have a concept of "hell", I did not say Judaism did not have the concept of "the underworld". Sheol is the place where all spirits go, both good and bad, where they rest eternally.

This is very different from hell. The idea of hell is the place of eternal suffering for the damned, as opposed to eternal paradise for the virtuous (heaven). At very least hell is the idea of the souls of the bad being seperated from the souls of the good.

And remember, context is everything. Wilgrove asked, in general whether there were any religions out there who didn't have fanatics who would condemn you to hell for not believing what they believe.

Even the most fanatic jew would not condemn ANYONE to Sheol, because to an orthodox jew, EVERYBODY ends up in Sheol. Good, bad, jew, gentile, virtuous and sinner. Nobody is condemned, since we all end up there, regardless. No joy, no suffering, just eternal peace.

From wiki:

According to Professors Stephen L. Harris and James Tabor, sheol is a place of "nothingness" that has its roots in the Hebrew Bible (or Old Testament). Professor Tabor, Chair of the Department of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, states in his What the Bible says about Death, Afterlife, and the Future:

"The ancient Hebrews had no idea of an immortal soul living a full and vital life beyond death, nor of any resurrection or return from death. Human beings, like the beasts of the field, are made of "dust of the earth," and at death they return to that dust (Gen. 2:7; 3:19). The Hebrew word nephesh, traditionally translated "living soul" but more properly understood as "living creature," is the same word used for all breathing creatures and refers to nothing immortal...All the dead go down to Sheol, and there they lie in sleep together–whether good or evil, rich or poor, slave or free (Job 3:11-19). It is described as a region "dark and deep," "the Pit," and "the land of forgetfulness," cut off from both God and human life above (Pss. 6:5; 88:3-12). Though in some texts Yahweh's power can reach down to Sheol (Ps. 139:8), the dominant idea is that the dead are abandoned forever. This idea of Sheol is negative in contrast to the world of life and light above, but there is no idea of judgment or of reward and punishment. If one faces extreme circumstances of suffering in the realm of the living above, as did Job, it can even be seen as a welcome relief from pain–see the third chapter of Job. But basically it is a kind of "nothingness," an existence that is barely existence at all, in which a "shadow" or "shade" of the former self survives (Ps. 88:10)." [1]
Professor Harris shares similar remarks in his Understanding the Bible: "The concept of eternal punishment does not occur in the Hebrew Bible, which uses the term Sheol to designate a bleak subterranean region where the dead, good and bad alike, subsist only as impotent shadows.

In conclusion...Sheol really is nothing like the concept of hell, other than the very tenuous similarity of "it's where dead people go", in which case it's really just as similar to heaven, and is perhaps far more similar to Hades than it is to either heaven or hell.

All right, I'm going to ask you a question, plain and simple and I want a straightforward yes or no answer. Have you ever sat down and actually read the Qu'ran?Have you actually Read the bible? Plain and simple nonsense.

All right, I'm going to ask you a question, plain and simple and I want a straightforward yes or no answer. Have you ever sat down and actually read the Qu'ran?Have you actually read the bible? Plain and simple nonsense. Yes, No?

Now tell me...is that what I said?

Let's check:



Nope, guess that's not what I said at all. Oh well, try to up that reading comprehention.

you replied to a question about which religion doesn't have fundies iyrc and you stated jews don't believe in hell. i took that as you stating jews can't be fundies because they don't condemn people to hell. sorry if it was a misinterpetion.

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I've heard of buddhist religious persecutions - in sri lanka I think
The buddhist takeover of Tibet, centuries ago, apparently included violent oppression of the native Bon religion. Bon survives, however, and the Buddhists got over it.

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Fon animist beliefs in buddhism aren't exactly "extreme" - the buddhists who are practicing the old religions along side buddhism are not the ones, to my knowledge, who are fundies. animists tend to be rather eclectic, and consequentially rather tolerant.
True. Animist religions tend to be open to syncretism with other religions. You see animist beliefs attached to Buddhism, Christianity, and Islam all over Asia. Often, it leads to the weird phenomenon of animists switching back and forth between religions like they change trousers.

I don't think they're trying to deceive anybody. the fact that quakers and menonites have made a point of never so much as fighting back when persecuted doesn't mean they're deliberately deceiving people...what a sri lankan buddhist does has nothing to do with what an american buddhist does - no more than the amish can be held responsible for the spanish inquisition because they're both under the broad label "christianity"
Truest of all. This is why generalizations are so dangerous.

you replied to a question about which religion doesn't have fundies iyrc and you stated jews don't believe in hell.

You are the one who is failing to recall correctly. I wasn't asked if there was a religion without fundamentalists. I was asked:

Is there any religion that doesn't have annoying fundies that will condemn you to hell if you don't get on your knees in front of them?


THAT was what I was responding to, note the bolded part. While judaism might have fundamentalists, those fundamentalists do not believe in hell, ergo judaism is an appropriate answer. I even quoted that piece in my reply.

i took that as you stating jews can't be fundies because they don't condemn people to hell. sorry if it was a misinterpetion

It wasn't a misinterpretation, it was your failure to read. Next time..

READ

BEFORE

SPEAKING

And don't slip into your typical goose stepping mode whenever the word "jew" is mentioned, without bothering to read what is being said before spouting off.

Allah's will? When did he die? Did he leave me anything?

Yep.

$36,000 in GM stock.

Is there any religion that doesn't have annoying fundies that will condemn you to hell if you don't get on your knees in front of them?

I hate speaking well of a religion... but maybe some types of Buddhism. And Baha'i. I think. Also the Valdese christians are quite on the "let's get along" side of the thing.

Allah's will? When did he die? Did he leave me anything?

lol....i spilt coffee...

Sikhism's fairly short on evangelical fundamentalists, in my personal experience, but that's not to say there aren't any.

Sikhism is not evangelistic. Only the early Gurus were evangelistic. At that time, Hindus of Punjab area used to give the elder son to Sikhism, voluntarily.

But they are not short of fundamentalists. The Khalistan secession thing threw up quite a few fundies. Google on Kanishka bombing.

I've heard of buddhist religious persecutions - in sri lanka I think

Most of the problems between Bhuddhist SriLankans and Hindu/Muslim/Xtian Tamils are ethno-nationalistic-linguistic problems....although the religious difference is also a factor in the divide.

same thing with the Druze. it's unfortunate - the Druze are way interesting...they're neoplatonist gnostic muslims...sorta. they won't even tell outsiders the majority of what they believe. pity...

The Druze believe in reincarnation. Due to persecution they practice taqiyya and that's why they are not open about their beliefs.

yeah pretty much. In fact I think he just copied and pasted the post from another website that bashed Islam. Do you really think he looked up those passages in the Qur'an on his own? I'm guessing not.

Don't misinterpret my comment towards him as anything resembling support for your own trolling thread, kid.

And a declaration should be made from Allah and His Messenger to these people on the day of the great Hajj that Allah is free from [all] obligations to these Idolaters and so is His Messenger. So if you [O Idolaters!] repent, it is better for you, but if you turn away, then know that you cannot escape from the grasp of Allah. And give tidings [O Muhammad (sws)] of a painful torment to these disbelievers. Except those of these Idolaters with whom you have a treaty, and who have not shown treachery in it nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to the end of their term. Indeed, Allah loves those who abide by the limits. Then when the sacred months [after the Hajj] have passed, kill these Idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they repent and establish the prayer, and give Zakah, then leave them alone. Indeed, Allah is Ever Forgiving, Most Merciful. (9:3-5)

Fight those who believe not in Allah or the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission and are subdued. (9:29)

Of course there are verses in the Koran that preach leving infidels alone if htey wish to remain neutral, but these verses were abrogated by later verses. The Suras of the Koran are ordered by length and are not chronological. Sura 9 is one of the last written, so it abrogates all preceding verses it may conflict with. According to Mohammed, Allah can change his mind whenever.

Re: The will of God.

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" [Matthew 28:18-19]

So anyway, does your post mean that Allah is a murderer according to Islam and that, thus, Islam is a murderous religion? Cus that's not a very nice thing to say... :P

Yep.

$36,000 in GM stock.

That's probably about half the company these days.

Anyone that is a 'fundamentalist' of their religion, I believe, is not part of and should not be thought of as being part of the religion. Fundamentalist Mormons (the ones who live in clans out in the desert and give their preteen daughters into polygamous marriages with octogenarians...) are not Mormons. Fundamentalist Muslims (the ones who go around blowing up anyone who 'looks at them funny' or any other reason they can think of) are not Muslim.

However, I say that the 'Fundamentalist Buddhists' you're mentioning aren't fundamentalist, nor are they buddhist, because fundamentalism means taking the religion literally and completely in every aspect, and if these people are killing, and destroying, and doing all these terrible things, they are FAR from following the doctrines of ANY form of buddhism, obeying NONE of the teachings of buddha (none of the important ones, at least), and simply calling themselves such.

Anyone that is a 'fundamentalist' of their religion, I believe, is not part of and should not be thought of as being part of the religion. Fundamentalist Mormons (the ones who live in clans out in the desert and give their preteen daughters into polygamous marriages with octogenarians...) are not Mormons. Fundamentalist Muslims (the ones who go around blowing up anyone who 'looks at them funny' or any other reason they can think of) are not Muslim.

However, I say that the 'Fundamentalist Buddhists' you're mentioning aren't fundamentalist, nor are they buddhist, because fundamentalism means taking the religion literally and completely in every aspect, and if these people are killing, and destroying, and doing all these terrible things, they are FAR from following the doctrines of ANY form of buddhism, obeying NONE of the teachings of buddha (none of the important ones, at least), and simply calling themselves such.


So people who adhere to the fundamental teachings and practices of a given religion shouldn't be considered part of that religion? Why not?

Is there any religion that doesn't have annoying fundies that will condemn you to hell if you don't get on your knees in front of them?

Sadly, no. Even the creed of agnostics and the creed of atheists have their fundies. can't say I respect them much.

Because the exact, literal, ancient texts and practices of the religion... Aren't right, and aren't what the rest of the religion practice. Either One's wrong or the other, and I'm going with the majority. The majority of christians aren't rabid, gay-beating, aborter-murdering, clinic-bombing, jew-gassing freaks, but some who call themselves such are... I say the sane, reasonable, nice ones are the true christians. Fundamentalists may disagree, but that's simply how I look at things.

Is there any religion that doesn't have annoying fundies that will condemn you to hell if you don't get on your knees in front of them?

Buddhism.

what is this anti-kuran? I don't know where people get shit like this but I have never read anything saying kill this and kill that in Kuran. There are very few parts in Kuran about fighting and those go like this '' God lets you fight with those who fight against you, to protect your lives and valuables''
Every few days someone comes with a piece that he claims to be taken from Kuran and about killing, raping, pillaging etc. I don't get it, is it simply anti-islam propaganda or is it from devil worshipping sects? :confused:

All right, I'm going to ask you a question, plain and simple and I want a straightforward yes or no answer. Have you ever sat down and actually read the Qu'ran?

Yes. While Mohammed does preach tolerance in some places. He later changes his mind and preaches violence towards unbelievers.

Yes. While Mohammed does preach tolerance in some places. He later changes his mind and preaches violence towards unbelievers.

And just who are those unbelievers? Those who do not believe in the last days?

Allah's will? When did he die? Did he leave me anything?

ROFLMAO

Don't misinterpret my comment towards him as anything resembling support for your own trolling thread, kid.

I didn't. Calm yourself champ

That says it all