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JONESBORO, Ga. – A middle school security officer used a Taser on a sixth-grade boy to break up his fight with a girl Wednesday, school officials said.

Officials said the 11-year-old shocked twice with the device at Jonesboro Middle School weighs 200 pounds and refused to obey orders to stop attacking the girl, also 11, and the Taser was used as a last resort to prevent her from being seriously injured.

The two had been taken to the office to resolve an argument that started during lunch and spilled into a classroom.

"The male student literally jumped on the girl and started hitting her about the face and head," school district spokesman Charles White said. "He did not comply with directions to stop, and physical efforts to pull him off the girl were unsuccessful."

Both students were treated for injuries, none of them serious, White said. The boy was charged with assault and battery and was taken to a juvenile detention center, and later was released to the custody of his mother.

The officer is a city of Jonesboro police officer who carries the standard equipment of a pistol and a Taser, according to Jonesboro Police Sgt. Brad Johnson.

School officials and police said they will investigate the incident.

School board chairwoman Ericka Brown Davis said it was "unfortunate" that an officer felt it was necessary to use a Taser.

"This is not something I want to see happen to a child," Brown said. "It is disturbing when it happens to an adult, but I understand law enforcement must do their job."

You know, from what the police say, they were trying to stop him from harming another student, and he IS 200 pounds, so he'd be difficult to subdue with normal force...but for God's sake, if you HAVE to tazer someone, just do it once! Not twice, you bloody idiots! That, my friends, is excessive force.

Dude, Flordia police tazered a 6 year old before. A sixth grader is no big deal.

(originally reported by me in gabbly(I sad that you could have the op, but I never said I wouldn't take credit for it):p

Anyway, a police officer should be able to subdue an 11 year old, no matter what.

I definitely feel the first time was justified. The 2nd? Gimme a break.

A 200lb 11 year old? Holy fuck...

Dude, Flordia police tazered a 6 year old before. A sixth grader is no big deal.

:eek: Why?

He should be shocked just for being so fat. Attacking a girl is just the icing on the cake. :)

I believe more training is needed, nationwide, before I will ever trust law-enforcement in this country with tazers.

It seems like now that they have a tool that doesn't carry the lethal threat of a firearm, their instinct is to shoot first, and ask questions later.

This incident might actually be more excusable than some I have heard of...but that still doesn't mean a tazer was necessary.

A police officer ought to be able to seperate two fighting individuals without the need for such force...especially if they are both 11 year olds. The fact that the boy weighs 200 lbs likely means he's out of shape...hardly a challenge for a trained police officer.

*sigh*

I wonder just what it will take for this issue to be taken seriously...a death? Five? A senior citizen? A child?

It shouldn't have to come to that, but it probably will. :(

Everyone loves tazers! I can't blame 'em. If I had a tazer, I'd go about discreetly tazering random people, at least this kid posed some semblance of a threat.

:eek: Why?

He was cutting himself and others with a shard of broken glass, I believe.

As for the OP, I want video! :D

I like watching them twitch. :)

:eek: Why?

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=27648

He was holding people at bay with a sharp shard of glass and cutting himself. Must have been emo.

He was cutting himself and others with a shard of broken glass, I believe.

As for the OP, I want video! :D

I like watching them twitch. :)
Don't look at me. Look at Kiryu-shi. He's the one who pointed me to it in Gabbly.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=27648

He was holding people at bay with a sharp shard of glass and cutting himself. Must have been emo.

Man, you gotta wonder what the cause was...some seriously messed up little kids. My bet is either too little a grasp of reality or too much of a grasp of reality.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=27648

He was holding people at bay with a sharp shard of glass and cutting himself. Must have been emo.
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What the hell, man? I get to a neat piece of news first and you go and upstage it. Unbelieveable.

And so is the fact that they'd even THINK to use a tazer on a six year old. Completely unjustified in that case, no matter what they say.

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What the hell, man? I get to a neat piece of news first and you go and upstage it. Unbelieveable.

And so is the fact that they'd even THINK to use a tazer on a six year old. Completely unjustified in that case, no matter what they say.

And no video of that either. :(

Don't look at me. Look at Kiryu-shi. He's the one who pointed me to it in Gabbly.

I just heard it on the radio...

And people are so afraid of being cut they feel like they need to tazer a six yearold?

But seriously though, what's up with these here youngins? so disturbed these days. Any thoughts why?

As far as the police brutality goes, I don't think that even an armed freshman will even pose too much of a threat. Honestly, if you can't subdue a fatty six grader on your own, you shouldn't be ALLOWED to be in the police force.

Standards my friend.

I've got a solution:

deport EVERYONE. We don't need to rehabilitate anyone older than these kids (no need to let adult criminals sponge off of the system), but we should at least remold these kids minds. Then THEY could be the police force and could generally be so brutal that they'd destroy the entire generation of kiddy-paths yet to come.

Oooooohhhh, there needs to be a TV show to desensitize people to tazer's too! It could be called "Zapped," "The Shock Cam," or "Please Don't Sue!!"

Don't care what you say. It would sell.:D

But seriously though, what's up with these here youngins? so disturbed these days. Any thoughts why?

As far as the police brutality goes, I don't think that even an armed freshman will even pose too much of a threat. Honestly, if you can't subdue a fatty six grader on your own, you shouldn't be ALLOWED to be in the police force.

Standards my friend.have you tried subduing a 200 lbs person when they don't want to be subdued?

and Columbine was armed students as well. not much of a threat?

which would be better, reading about a kid who was tasered twice to stop him beating a girl, or to read about how the kid got his arm broken, a shoulder dislocated and concussed by the police as he was beating a girl?

(originally reported by me in gabbly(I sad that you could have the op, but I never said I wouldn't take credit for it):p

Anyway, a police officer should be able to subdue an 11 year old, no matter what.

OK, mentally disturbed 200lb 11 year old in a fighting mood, it is your job to subdue him. Go.

I just heard it on the radio...

And people are so afraid of being cut they feel like they need to tazer a six yearold?

do you know how many areas of the body can be cut and the person bleed to death? alot. not just the neck, but the arms, the legs, areas of the chest and stomach, the groin, even the foot.

so you wanna risk getting cut in any one of those areas while trying to subdue an armed person?

do you know how many areas of the body can be cut and the person bleed to death? alot. not just the neck, but the arms, the legs, areas of the chest and stomach, the groin, even the foot.

so you wanna risk getting cut in any one of those areas while trying to subdue an armed person?

Right, because it's so hard to grab a six-year old's wrist, preventing him from doing anything with the shard of glass.

Edit: And in many of those areas, a shard of glass wielded by a six-year old does not have the necessary force to cause a major wound, unless you want to claim that a six-year old can drive a shard of glass through someone's rib cage.

Right, because it's so hard to grab a six-year old's wrist, preventing him from doing anything with the shard of glass.

Edit: And in many of those areas, a shard of glass wielded by a six-year old does not have the necessary force to cause a major wound, unless you want to claim that a six-year old can drive a shard of glass through someone's rib cage.
LOL... you try it. :rolleyes:

and yes, a six year old is still strong enough to slice the arteries in your neck, arms, wrist, thighs...

add to that the fact that the six year old in question didn't care about his own condition (evident by the claim that he was cutting himself) so he won't care about his own injuries, just yours.

OK, mentally disturbed 200lb 11 year old in a fighting mood, it is your job to subdue him. Go.

I said I think a police officer should be able to. I thought that doing stuff like that was part of their training.

About time. Those little bastards can be vicious.

Actually, I recommend shock collars, of the type used for training dogs. That way they can be easily zapped when they get out of line.

LOL... you try it. :rolleyes:

and yes, a six year old is still strong enough to slice the arteries in your neck, arms, wrist, thighs...

I've had to manhandle enough six-year olds to get a good sense of how fast they are compared to me.

ok i turn 18 in two months, i am i the only one that finds it highly highly disturbing that an eleven year old, not only weighs more than i do, but weighs two times as much as i do?

Anyone weighing 200 pounds can be tasered as an adult afaic..

I bet the reason some use a tazer is so that they won't have to get physical with the kids. They are afraid they will hurt the kid(and then they'd be in a world of shit) if they have to resort to physical force, all along having to defend themselves against the kid. And it is probably safer for the kid to get a quick zap (not repeatedly, ofcourse) and taken down than an adult having to kick their ass. More than likely the kid would get seriously hurt that way. I'm sure I could've subdued that 6 yr old, I might would've gotten cut in the process, nothing too serious I'm sure, but I'd kick his little ass for cutting me.. then I'd be in trouble. The 200lb 11 year old, I'd have to be even more aggressive to take him down, and he'd definatly get hurt in the process.. that is if I actually tried to subdue him instead of just knocking the hell out of him with a chair or the closest thing I could get my hands on.

Maybe we should just all learn that martial art that teaches how to use the pressure points to take someone to their knees, and that teaches lock moves. At least then when you are in close quarters with em, you could quickly stop it before it escalated. I certainly think those in job fields where physical confrontations have a high chance of occuring should know these things.

I've had to manhandle enough six-year olds to get a good sense of how fast they are compared to me.

Yah. But I bet he won't do it again though.

I've had to manhandle enough six-year olds to get a good sense of how fast they are compared to me.

and how many of those manhandled six-year olds were actually trying to hurt you? not play hurt, or roughhousing, I mean maliciously trying to hurt you as you tried to subdue them without causing injury to them?

I got whacked pretty good (re: Broken arm) from a kid (pre teen, due to HIPPA, I cannot say more.) when that kid picked up a 21 inch computer monitor (not flat panel, but those old monitors) and he threw it at me. it took 4 orderlies to restrain him.

I guess sometimes you just gotta use a dart gun... probably works better than the tazer.

He should be shocked just for being so fat. Attacking a girl is just the icing on the cake. :)

Not really that funny, ya know. I'm not that fat myself, but I have a friend who was 120 lbs at that age. I used to pick on him, too, and the poor guy seemed to have a hard life.

Oh, and shouldn't you just stick to trolling in your own threads instead of attempting to be intelligent?

I guess sometimes you just gotta use a dart gun... probably works better than the tazer.

If you're talking about an injector gun, like they use on wild animals - yeah, they work better. Unless you misjudge the range and use too much air pressure - inwhich case you might as well have used a rifle.

If you're talking about an injector gun, like they use on wild animals - yeah, they work better. Unless you misjudge the range and use too much air pressure - inwhich case you might as well have used a rifle.

Dart gun wasn't my first choice, but when Junii was talking about the monitor. Assuming the thing was plugged in(or possibly even not.. they hold a lot of electricity after being unplugged), all that would need to happen is someone to try to approach them, they drop it on thier own or the other persons foot and you or someone could be toast(unless my knowledge of eletrical currents are off). Dart gun could come in handy there. Kyusho Jitsu and Jujutsu were my first choice.

and how many of those manhandled six-year olds were actually trying to hurt you? not play hurt, or roughhousing, I mean maliciously trying to hurt you as you tried to subdue them without causing injury to them?

Most of them.

Poor girl ;)

200-pound 11-year old???? :confused:

Poor girl ;)

200-pound 11-year old???? :confused:

That's what I find really wierd about this. The kid is 11 and weighs more than me. It's worrying to say the least.

Most of them.

and how many of them were armed with objects sharper than a pair of scissors?


oh and the obligatory YouTube report (http://youtube.com/watch?v=NIIoIjECmNg)...

According to this, the first taser was used to seperate the kids. the second was used when the boy again tried to attack the girl. also, according to the reporter, the officer said "SHE" had to use a taser. 200lb boy vs an female officer who does not want to permamently damage a student. yeah... two taser shocks...


at least it wasn't 5. :(

I think the police were justified. If someone was beating me and I couldn't defend myself I would hope someone else would get them off me in the most expedient way possible.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/nation/stories/113006nattaser.30eee3c.html



You know, from what the police say, they were trying to stop him from harming another student, and he IS 200 pounds, so he'd be difficult to subdue with normal force...but for God's sake, if you HAVE to tazer someone, just do it once! Not twice, you bloody idiots! That, my friends, is excessive force.
Twice sounds excessive, but 200 pounds?! Good heavens, I'm only about 150 myself... Considering that he was beating the girl, tasering him once was not a bad idea.

Twice sounds excessive, but 200 pounds?! Good heavens, I'm only about 150 myself... Considering that he was beating the girl, tasering him once was not a bad idea.

the first time was to get him off of the girl, the second was when he attempted to attack the girl again.

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In all seriousness, the kid earned that tasering, though being tasered twice is excessive. He deserves to be in juvie, and just because he's 11 years old does not mean that he can't be 200 pounds and too big for most teachers and security officials to handle (which baffles me, most security officials are generally the same weight or heavier...)