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On this day-November 30th,1874, Sir Winston Churchill was born.

Happy Birthday,Sir Winston, you are sorely missed.

On this day-November 30th,1874, Sir Winston Churchill was born.

Happy Birthday,Sir Winston, you are sorely missed.

Ithought you were talking about Winston from 1984...

churchill=****.

Is this the same incompetent drunk who was behind Gallipoli?

churchill=****.

uh-yeah. Thats an accurate assesment. :rolleyes:

Well put,too.

uh-yeah. Thats an accurate assesment. :rolleyes:

Well put,too.

not viewed well in my country.

not viewed well in my country.

On the plus side, he did hate pikeys with a passion.

On the plus side, he did hate pikeys with a passion.

true. so did hitler. *dev elera hated jews.

*spelt probably wrong. doesnt matter, he was bent too.

Is this the same incompetent drunk who was behind Gallipoli?

Technically-yes. I'm sure that makes you feel better. Its likely you have something in common with the turds that withdrew their support for the campaign as soon as they met some resistance and left him hanging for it.
Their names are long forgotten, however-Churchill's is not.

Incompetant? Hardly. Prime Minister, Nobel Peace prize winner, author of dozen books, with literally hundreds of brilliant and inspiring quotes- his list of accomplishments is extensive.
No-not incompetant by far.

not viewed well in my country.

your country, or more your band of self-loathing chav toadies?

your country, or more your band of self-loathing chav toadies?

yes my country.
chav toadies? chav is an english expression. but toadie?

yes my country.
chav toadies? chav is an english expression. but toadie?

yeah-a little twisted "wanna be"- like a "not even,but trying hard".

Someone that humps along eagerly with a chav,trying to emulate them and gain their approval.

I'm sure you get it.

yeah-a little twisted "wanna be"- like a "not even,but trying hard".

Someone that humps along eagerly with a chav,trying to emulate them and gain their approval.

I'm sure you get it.

oh something like "wannabie-knackers", dont care much for them. oh god especially ones from d4.

Its likely you have something in common with the turds that withdrew their support for the campaign as soon as they met some resistance and left him hanging for it.

considering he took responsibility for the disaster and actually ordered such a clearly ridicules plan I think your view on the whole fiasco is a tad misplaced

Incompetant? Hardly. Prime Minister, Nobel Peace prize winner, author of dozen books, with literally hundreds of brilliant and inspiring quotes- his list of accomplishments is extensive.
No-not incompetant by far.

A sufferer of sharp mood swings, a raging alcoholic and the man who greedily cut down a tad on the cigars during Britain’s darkest hour

never mind the fact that his early life was spent travelling around looking for a fight and he followed a policy of beating down rebellions in the empire

considering he took responsibility for the disaster and actually ordered such a clearly ridicules plan I think your view on the whole fiasco is a tad misplaced



A sufferer of sharp mood swings, a raging alcoholic and the man who greedily cut down a tad on the cigars during Britain’s darkest hour

never mind the fact that his early life was spent travelling around looking for a fight and he followed a policy of beating down rebellions in the empire

He got you folks through that darkest hour.

Many great men suffer mood swings and depression. They all seem to have their demons.

Anyhow- I got off my borthday wish to honor the man.

And his memory is hardly smeared by the insignificant smidgens of blowfish shit spattered in this thread.

oh something like "wannabie-knackers", dont care much for them. oh god especially ones from d4.

There's a good lad.

He got you folks through that darkest hour.

no he made a speech every now and again (whilst he was having a mood swing high) hardly did anything IMHO

Many great men suffer mood swings and depression. They all seem to have their demons.

And madmen tend not to make the wisest leaders

Anyhow- I got off my borthday wish to honor the man.

You may as well be honouring Stalin allot of people (as in whole nations) don’t like him

And his memory is hardly smeared by the insignificant smidgens of blowfish shit spattered in this thread.

Yes I’m sure he smeared it enough himself

http://www.presentationhelper.co.uk/winston_churchill_speech_fight_them_on_beaches.htm

"I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once again able to defend our Island home, to ride out the storm of war, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone.

At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of His Majesty's Government-every man of them. That is the will of Parliament and the nation.

The British Empire and the French Republic, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their native soil, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength.

Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail.

We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."

no he made a speech every now and again (whilst he was having a mood swing high) hardly did anything IMHO



And madmen tend not to make the wisest leaders



You may as well be honouring Stalin allot of people (as in whole nations) don’t like him



Yes I’m sure he smeared it enough himself


Ah-exposing yourself. A madman? You're scraping really low when you try to compare Winston Churchill to Josef Stalin.

Maybe you're up way past your bed time.

We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."

You can almost hear the spitfires and Lancasters taking off

Happy Birthday Winston!

When I'm done here,I'll happily toast his name. Its a good night for a good Scotch.

On this day-November 30th,1874, Sir Winston Churchill was born.

Happy Birthday,Sir Winston, you are sorely missed.Forgive me if I don't cheer for a genocidal bastard.

Forgive me if I don't cheer for a genocidal bastard.

So should we just spit on the grave that saved Britian from the oppresive hands of the nazis? Should we snarl at the man who was one of the big three that saved the world from the axis powers? What is wrong with you!! Sure he did a lot of stupid things, but he saved Britian, heck you could say he saved the world in his own stupid way.


When the Boer War broke out, his train was caught in ambushed but he had help clear the track and got the train moving again. He was caught but he escaped and ran 300miles back to safety. If you were to insult this man, you should be ashamed because you can never be as great as this man

If I had some scotch around, I'd take a drink.

Happy Birthday Prime Minister. I'm sorry your genius is so hated these days.

And now to all of you: Churchill was an ass. But he was an intelligent and (for the most part) moral man who knew what had to be done and wasn't afraid to do it. And if you're going to criticize his mistakes, remember as you're making your criticismsthat the vast majority of you (including me, probably) would not have the backbone to face the things which he faced nor have the ability to do it so well.

*steps down off soapbox*

Happy Birthday Churchill, you were a hell lot better than Chamberlain.

Happy Birthday Prime Minister. I'm sorry your genius is so hated these days.

And now to all of you: Churchill was an ass. But he was an intelligent and (for the most part) moral man who knew what had to be done and wasn't afraid to do it. And if you're going to criticize his mistakes, remember as you're making your criticismsthat the vast majority of you (including me, probably) would not have the backbone to face the things which he faced nor have the ability to do it so well.

*steps down off soapbox*

Very well said

*clap clap clap

Scotch, scotch, brandy, brandy, scotch!

Happy Birthday Prime Minister. I'm sorry your genius is so hated these days.

And now to all of you: Churchill was an ass. But he was an intelligent and (for the most part) moral man who knew what had to be done and wasn't afraid to do it. And if you're going to criticize his mistakes, remember as you're making your criticismsthat the vast majority of you (including me, probably) would not have the backbone to face the things which he faced nor have the ability to do it so well.

*steps down off soapbox*

Very well said. Its all very well judging someone with the benifit of hindsight.

And now to all of you: Churchill was an ass. But he was an intelligent and (for the most part) moral man who knew what had to be done and wasn't afraid to do it. And if you're going to criticize his mistakes, remember as you're making your criticismsthat the vast majority of you (including me, probably) would not have the backbone to face the things which he faced nor have the ability to do it so well.


That STILL does not take away the FACTS of how his policies resulted in the deaths of millions (British-made Bengal famine during WW II and the partition he engineered).

Churchill was a great Englishman who did good to his country.

But he was a racist asshole who shares blame for the dead of my country.

You can praise him for the former but I will denounce him for the latter. Looking at his performance and contribution in preventing Nazis etc and praising him depends on individual pov. For ex, Hitler killed no Indian. Churchill did. Millions.

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/ockham/stories/s19040.htm
Ultimately, millions of Bengalis died because their British rulers didn't give a damn and had other strategic imperatives. The Bengal Famine and its aftermath for the debilitated Bengal population consumed its victims over several years in the case of complete British inaction through most of 1943 or insufficient subsequent action. Churchill had a confessed hatred for Indians and during the famine he opposed the humanitarian attempts of people such as the Prime Minister of Canada, Louis Mountbatten, Viceroy General Wavell, and even of Japanese collaborationist leader Subhash Chandra Bose. The hypothesis can be legitimately advanced that the extent of the Bengal Famine derived in part from sustained, deliberate policy.

The wartime Bengal Famine has become a 'forgotten holocaust' and has been effectively deleted from our history books, from school and university curricula and from general public perception. To the best of my knowledge, Churchill only wrote of it once, in a secret letter to Roosevelt dated April 29th 1944 in which he made the following remarkable plea for help in shipping Australian grain to India: 'I am no longer justified in not asking for your help.' Churchill's six-volume 'History of the Second World War' fails to mention the cataclysm that was responsible for about 90% of total British Empire casualties in that conflict but makes the extraordinary obverse claim: 'No great portion of the world population was so effectively protected from the horrors and perils of the World War as were the people of Hindustan. They were carried through the struggle on the shoulders of our small island.':rolleyes:

This when the Indian army was the LARGEST all-volunteer army in WWII and won 30 Victoria crosses.

So yeah, FUCK YOU Churchill. :)

On this day-November 30th,1874, Sir Winston Churchill was born.

Happy Birthday,Sir Winston, you are sorely missed.

Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill, KG &c., Best Man of the 20th century, I salute you.

"We are told, Sir, that Herr Hitler has a plan for invading the British Isles.

This has often been thought of before.

When Napoleon lay for a year at Boulogne, with his flat bottom boats and his grand armee, he was told by someone,

There are bitter weeds in England."

Not a fortnight goes by that I do not listen to my collection of recordings of his speeches. The greatest ever recorded.

To Winston Churchill. A great englishman and a great wartime leader.

He may have been a bastard but I laugh in the face of anyone who paints him in the same brand of vileness that was Joseph Stalin.

The top shelf of my best book shelf, where I keep the most prestigious old books and my favorites, is graced by ten volumes of Churchill's, that noble nobel laureate.

Four first edition volumes of A History of the English Speaking Peoples, six first edition volumes of his history of the second world war.

The Gathering Storm, The Finest Hour, The Grand Alliance, The Hinge of Fate, Closing the Ring, and Triumph and Tragedy.

I have read them all.

"Upon this battle depends the survivial of christian civilization. Upon it depends our own British life and the long continuity of our institutions and our empire. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us. Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free, and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands.

But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new dark age, made more sinister and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.

Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that if the British empire and her commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, "-This- was their finest hour."

On this day-November 30th,1874, Sir Winston Churchill was born.

Happy Birthday,Sir Winston, you are sorely missed.

Ithought you were talking about Winston from 1984...

My first thought was Winston from Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Barrells.

Chill Winston....

That STILL does not take away the FACTS of how his policies resulted in the deaths of millions (British-made Bengal famine during WW II and the partition he engineered).

Churchill was a great Englishman who did good to his country.

But he was a racist asshole who shares blame for the dead of my country.

You can praise him for the former but I will denounce him for the latter. Looking at his performance and contribution in preventing Nazis etc and praising him depends on individual pov. For ex, Hitler killed no Indian. Churchill did. Millions.

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/ockham/stories/s19040.htm


This when the Indian army was the LARGEST all-volunteer army in WWII and won 30 Victoria crosses.

So yeah, FUCK YOU Churchill. :)

Interesting, I'd never heard of the Bengal famine before.

Is this the same incompetent drunk who was behind Gallipoli?
The idea was brilliant they just didn't have accurate maps and some nations troops decided to play cricket on the beach instead of exploiting their success.

The idea was brilliant they just didn't have accurate maps and some nations troops decided to play cricket on the beach instead of exploiting their success.

bloody poms
when we did it, it was to make them look one way, so we can do some thing the other way

bloody poms
when we did it, it was to make them look one way, so we can do some thing the other way
Wot wot, time for a spot of Cha Govnah?
*Shakes head*
Tsk tsk tsk

Wait, so we'll still get bitrthday's after we've died?


Awesome!

Wait, so we'll still get bitrthday's after we've died?


Awesome!
Only if you returned Europe from Hitlers grasp.

Did you?

Only if you returned Europe from Hitlers grasp.

Did you?

Yeah. There was this one time when.......


Oh no, wait. That was Call Of Duty.

Wot wot, time for a spot of Cha Govnah?
*Shakes head*
Tsk tsk tsk

Lone Pine was to make them look away from a new landing
the guy leading it stop to take a bath

It is quite amusing at least, watching people who will probably never achieve anything in their lives criticising one who achieved a lot, the vast majority of it good.

I at least will salute the better man, and cheer for Winston Churchill on the anniversary of his birth.

Only if you returned Europe from Hitlers grasp.

Did you?

Yes, yes I did.





Look over there, a fluffy kitten. ----->

*flees*

Yes, yes I did.





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*flees*

Fixed

If you think about it, Winston Churchill was the only thing preventing a total Nazi Victory in Europe. He refused to surrender, even when we were fighting on our own. He inspired patriotism in the population of the Empire, and without Britain, the Nazis would have won completely. Even if Hitler still declared war on the US, how would they [the US] get to France or Britain to fight them? No Britain would give Germany a free run of the atlantic mediteranean and, if Russia fell, which it almost certianly would have, the Pacific as well.

So, although Churchill may have done some genocidal and stupid things in his career, I still see him as the greatest Briton to have ever lived. He effectively defended the whole world! :D

Yeah. There was this one time when.......


Oh no, wait. That was Call Of Duty.
Let me guess, you were plaing as The German and lost?:D
Yes, yes I did.
http://nodwick.humor.gamespy.com/cats/flavour.jpgLook over there, a fluffy kitten. ----->

*flees*
Ah Phallic symbol!
*Flees*

Churchill was teh shizz, he knew the might of the 'Ball of Fire'.

If you think about it, Winston Churchill was the only thing preventing a total Nazi Victory in Europe. He refused to surrender, even when we were fighting on our own.
Hahahahaha no.

The British people, being what we are, are much more resilient in times of crisis than some other nations. It was us who didn't surrender, stayed at the factories, and kept on fighting.

He was essentially just the public face of the British spirit.
He inspired patriotism in the population of the Empire, and without Britain, the Nazis would have won completely.
Nah, the USSR was always going to win. Massive population, strong leader and the fact that pretty much everyone had done some military service prior to the war. That, and the astounding hardiness of the Russian people, combined with their god-awful weather, would have ensured their victory.
Even if Hitler still declared war on the US, how would they [the US] get to France or Britain to fight them? No Britain would give Germany a free run of the atlantic mediteranean and, if Russia fell, which it almost certianly would have, the Pacific as well.
The US navy was quite good. The Kriegsmarine was a piss-take. There'd be no way that it could actually stop the US if the US wanted to move along the seas.
So, although Churchill may have done some genocidal and stupid things in his career, I still see him as the greatest Briton to have ever lived. He effectively defended the whole world! :D
I disagree. The greatest Briton to have ever lived was probably Clement Attlee, for the NHS, which is one of the most excellent parts of Britain. The NHS has saved a great many lives. Churchill caused the deaths of a great many people (especially at Gallipoli, which fell right on its arse, and several actions against rioters in the British Empire).

Therefore, Attlee is the better man.

Therefore, Attlee is the better man.

Agreed. Still not sure whether he's the greatest Briton ever, though.

I disagree. The greatest Briton to have ever lived was probably Clement Attlee, for the NHS, which is one of the most excellent parts of Britain. The NHS has saved a great many lives. Churchill caused the deaths of a great many people (especially at Gallipoli, which fell right on its arse, and several actions against rioters in the British Empire).

Therefore, Attlee is the better man.

Indeed, let's not forget his masterful solution to the middle east problem which has led to a lasting peace in the region. Or the diligent way in which his administration partitioned India which has resulted in permenant stability in the asian sub continent.

And don't overlook how he secretly spent a significant fraction of the national income, secretly developing nuclear weapons behind the public and parliament's back.

Of course, that is all overshadowed by his prescient vision of foreign policy in the pre-war period. Only a man of Atlee's clear genius could call for france to disarm while insisting that the Nazi leadership had every right to commence a huge armaments build up.

C'mon. At least pick Harold Wilson.

IMO he probably did more than any other person to defeat the Nazis. Not for any military reason, in fact he was a total duffer when it came to military matters. Virtually every British military setback in WW2 if you'd look for the single person most responsible then time after time you come upon Churchill.

North Africa? If we hadn't invaded Greece then we could have finished the whole North African campaign after Operation Compass.

Singapore? If Churchill hadn't shafted Malaya through cutting its defence funding when he was chancellor and then sending all the surplus planes and tanks to Russia through lend lease so that when the japanese invaded we didn't have a single tank in the whole country to stop them and the airforce, on whom the whole defence was supposed to be based, could only put up a token resistance, then it could have turned out differntly.

Monte Cassino/ Anzio et al.? If it hadn't been churchill's insistence on attacking the soft underbelly of Europe then we wouldn't have even been in Italy in the first place.

But what he did understand was the ned to keep the allies all on side. it was his personal friendhip and correxpondence with roosevelt that that ws responsible for the US getting involved in the war as much as they did even before pearl Harbour. And most of his military blunders are a result of trying to support the Soviets and showing them that the other allies weren't just lettting them and the Germans fight ti out.