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Well at least now a days? I am an avid fan of older school rap, such as older Nas, Rakim, Tupac, KRSone, etc... But now a days, it just seems so....fake and stupid. I mean, it used to be so poetic and inspiring to hear about life on the streets for black men and women, but now its about "bitches and hoes" and driving cars, and partying and crap. Its so...ugh..commercialized.

Comments?

Oh and who is your fav. rap/hip hop artist, new or old?

I mostly like the east coast rappers, especially from the QB, such as Nas, and his group The Bravehearts.

Rap has always sucked. Why, because all it really is is talking really fast to music that is really only 8 seconds long. However that 8 second piece of music is played in a loop, and it just makes you want to take a hammer to your head.

RAP IS AWESOME.

Well thats partially correct.
MC Chris is awesome. The rest sucks.

Interesting choice of "artists" you call older-school.

Rap has more often than not always sucked. I never liked the idea of sampling. Please, write original material. If an author did the same it would be called plagairism.

RAP IS AWESOME.

Well thats partially correct.
MC Chris is awesome. The rest sucks.

I think you meant RAP IS THE SUCKS.

Rap has always sucked. Why, because all it really is is talking really fast to music that is really only 8 seconds long. However that 8 second piece of music is played in a loop, and it just makes you want to take a hammer to your head.
Thats the stuff I am AGAINST. Its not all like that.

There is a difference between Rap (http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/One-Mic-lyrics-Nas/26665BDD3403089248256B330044F5C8)

and "rap" (http://www.metrolyrics.com/lyrics/1658063694/Jibbs/Chain_Hang_Low)

and that difference is that group one care about sharing a part of their life, a story if you will, while group two wants to make money.

I think you meant RAP IS THE SUCKS.

Not MC Chris it's nerd rap lol.

But yeah mostly it is considering im a metal head thats about as far away from rap as possible...

Interesting choice of "artists" you call older-school.

Rap has more often than not always sucked. I never liked the idea of sampling. Please, write original material. If an author did the same it would be called plagairism.

Its older school to me, because it was the first group of artists I listened to too. Maybe its more "older middle"?

Well at least now a days? I am an avid fan of older school rap, such as older Nas, Rakim, Tupac, KRSone, etc... But now a days, it just seems so....fake and stupid. I mean, it used to be so poetic and inspiring to hear about life on the streets for black men and women, but now its about "bitches and hoes" and driving cars, and partying and crap. Its so...ugh..commercialized.

Comments?

Oh and who is your fav. rap/hip hop artist, new or old?

I mostly like the east coast rappers, especially from the QB, such as Nas, and his group The Bravehearts.

Look into The Goats. They aren't together anymore, but they made some truly awsome music back in the 90's.

On a different note, I have to ask the same question about suckage as it pretains to country/western. None of that tripe has been even close to good since Hank Williams Sr. was remaking old blues tunes.

Rap has always sucked. Why, because all it really is is talking really fast to music that is really only 8 seconds long. However that 8 second piece of music is played in a loop, and it just makes you want to take a hammer to your head.

Yo mama sux!
*headbang*

Yo mama sux!
*headbang*

Yo mama sux!
*headbang*

:p

Rap has always sucked. Why, because all it really is is talking really fast to music that is really only 8 seconds long. However that 8 second piece of music is played in a loop, and it just makes you want to take a hammer to your head.

http://thesis.mekerr.com/now%20start%20a%20band%20tee.jpg

Yo mama sux!
*headbang*

Yo mama sux!
*headbang*

Yo mama sux!
*headbang*

:p

Exactly. Rap is the lowest form of music, why, because any idiot can talk fast to 8 seconds worth of music that is being looped.

Exactly. Rap is the lowest form of music, why, because any idiot can talk fast to 8 seconds worth of music that is being looped.

then let's hear you do it

http://thesis.mekerr.com/now%20start%20a%20band%20tee.jpg

At least with a band, they play their own music, and their music isn't 8 seconds of crap played in a loop. I would rather listen to a horrible band than "good" rap.

I totally loathe rap, but I do like some of the older stuff... :) The older stuff isn't my first choice but it's still pretty good.

The new kind is sexist and racist and flat out retarded. It's mostly "I from tha ghetto...I hav all deze bichez n hoes... I drive a $50,000 ride...and whitey tries 2 shoot me up" :headbang: And everyone at my old middle school listens to this horse crap. :upyours:

then let's hear you do it

Sure, I just need to say "Cap in your ass" "n**ga" (some sort of booze), and "b*tches" over and over and over. :p

Wow.. This is one fucking stupid thread.

Music tastes are individual things. Sampling is a brilliant idea, that just like an axe, can be used in scary ways it was never meant to. Christian fundies out to convert poor people & muslims can still hear lyrics about social problems (which don't just affect blacks, you git). Just find your music yourself, instead of letting industry spoon-feed you inane bullshit about bitches & Nike shoes.

Not all rap sucks or is about money.
Not all pop is about sex & heart ache.
Not all Oi! is about football.
Not all stupid ideas are worth trying to force on others.

I fucking hate humans.

Exactly. Rap is the lowest form of music, why, because any idiot can talk fast to 8 seconds worth of music that is being looped.

And as I have said, you obviously haven't listened to any besides what they play on MTV.

They sure have more talent than any rock band, country group ;)

Exactly. Rap is the lowest form of music, why, because any idiot can talk fast to 8 seconds worth of music that is being looped.

So, what about those hip hop bands that don't sample, like Arrested Development, or Digable Planets, or The Disposable Heroes of Hiphopracy, Rage Against the Machine, Ice T with Bodycount, etc. Are they just as low, and worthy of such disrespect?

One man's Paul Stanley is another man's Peter Kris. Get off your high horse.

And as I have said, you obviously haven't listened to any besides what they play on MTV.

They sure have more talent than any rock band, country group ;)

Not really, Anyone can cuss, talk about bitches and hoes, and about being shot at, but to actually write good music, music that actually means something, rather than this garbage takes talent, and it also takes talent to write 3 minutes worth of music to the song lyrics. Not just "sample" (stealing) 8 seconds of someone else music and looping it.

Wow.. This is one fucking stupid thread.

....And does that make you one stupid fucker for posting in it?;)

So, what about those hip hop bands that don't sample, like Arrested Development, or Digable Planets, or The Disposable Heroes of Hiphopracy, Rage Against the Machine, Ice T with Bodycount, etc. Are they just as low, and worthy of such disrespect?

One man's Paul Stanley is another man's Peter Kris. Get off your high horse.

Yea, nice straw man. We're talking about rap who samples, and talk really fast. Not hip hop bands. Try again.

Interesting choice of "artists" you call older-school.

Rap has more often than not always sucked. I never liked the idea of sampling. Please, write original material. If an author did the same it would be called plagairism.
But they do write their own original material, at least when it comes to lyrics. The main bits in rap, as far as I can tell, are the lyrics. The samples underneath are mainly there to give some rythm and a bit of melody.

So if we'd compare them to authors, it's more like an author writing stories (his own stories and characters and words) but placing them in some already-established settings, like the Star Wars-universe or something like that.

I don't think rap sucks out of proportion to popular music in general, so I find the question unanswerable.

Then again, my music tastes seem fundamentally incoherent, so I'm not a very good judge of this sort of thing.

Sure, I just need to say "Cap in your ass" "n**ga" (some sort of booze), and "b*tches" over and over and over. :p

maybe. now make it sound appealing enough to the masses for people to actually listen to it.

maybe. now make it sound appealing enough to the masses for people to actually listen to it.

Yea, but what you are forgetting, the people who listen to this crap also thinks Carson Daily was cool, and who lap this stuff up like deer lapping up anti-freeze.

http://thesis.mekerr.com/now%20start%20a%20band%20tee.jpg

Bah-zing!

Threads like this make me want that Onion shirt, "Your favorite band sucks."

Get over yourselves, kids. It's not 'just talking,' sampling is actually a variation of something thats been done in art for quite some time, what gets radio play is hardly ever the 'best of the bunch,' and no you can't do it.

If you don't understand something it doesn't mean it sucks, it means you don't understand it.

Bah-zing!

Threads like this make me want that Onion shirt, "Your favorite band sucks."

Get over yourselves, kids. It's not 'just talking,' sampling is actually a variation of something thats been done in art for quite some time, what gets radio play is hardly ever the 'best of the bunch,' and no you can't do it.

If you don't understand something it doesn't mean it sucks, it means you don't understand it.

Trust me, I understand it, and once I understand it, I felt myself getting stupider.

Yea, nice straw man. We're talking about rap who samples, and talk really fast. Not hip hop bands. Try again.

It's you who's attacking strawmen here. I just asked you to back up your claim about the "lowness" of said musical forms. If you can't then knock it off.

But they do write their own original material, at least when it comes to lyrics. The main bits in rap, as far as I can tell, are the lyrics. The samples underneath are mainly there to give some rythm and a bit of melody.

So if we'd compare them to authors, it's more like an author writing stories (his own stories and characters and words) but placing them in some already-established settings, like the Star Wars-universe or something like that.

Point noted.

maybe. now make it sound appealing enough to the masses for people to actually listen to it.

If you package it right, the masses would buy a dog turd and put it in their cd players. It would still be a dog turd though.

The samples underneath are mainly there to give some rythm and a bit of melody.

though beats and samples have to be created or found and arranged in meaningful ways that work with both the particular lyrics and the lyrical style of the artist. takes work too.

maybe. now make it sound appealing enough to the masses for people to actually listen to it.

Hell, I'll give it a shot.

My homeyz in da house
Shootin up the whiteyz
We in da house drinkin $4000 wine
Ridin $50000 ridez wit our bitchez n hoes...
Cuz I'm from da ghetto
And dat's where its at
So leave me alone n**ga
Before my gang shootz u all up
N***AZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now give it a good beat and loop it for 3 mintues straight. :headbang:

If you package it right, the masses would buy a dog turd and put it in their cd players. It would still be a dog turd though.

Hence why people like Billy Ray Cyrus made "hit" songs. The point is that ALL genres of music have people, and/or, groups that suck (IMO country more than others).

though beats and samples have to be created or found and arranged in meaningful ways that work with both the particular lyrics and the lyrical style of the artist. takes work too.

The beats are the same in every modern rap song.

Not really, Anyone can cuss, talk about bitches and hoes, and about being shot at, but to actually write good music, music that actually means something, rather than this garbage takes talent, and it also takes talent to write 3 minutes worth of music to the song lyrics. Not just "sample" (stealing) 8 seconds of someone else music and looping it.

So writing about their lives is garbage? Are you then implying that they and their lives are just garbage?

Listen to this (http://media.putfile.com/Propaganda-54), and tell me if this is "GARBAGE!!!!"

Rap has always sucked. Why, because all it really is is talking really fast to music that is really only 8 seconds long. However that 8 second piece of music is played in a loop, and it just makes you want to take a hammer to your head.

You just need to find some good rap. Rap is like rock, there is some that's really good, but most of it sucks. Most of the rap you hear on the radio is the equivalent to Nickelback or something equally terrible.

Anyway, here's a few good rap songs.

Work It Out - Jurassic 5 w/Dave Matthews (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAqzj0OXZS8)

The World's Gone Bad - Handsome Boy Modeling School (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB1JMec6u0A)

Breakdown - Handsome Boy Modeling School w/Jack Johnson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgWg9krQabs) Yes, this is a remake of Jack Johnson's original song, but it isn't just a sample. They actually got Johnson to come and do it with them.

It's not 'just talking'

i've never really understood that line. what do these people say when reading, for example, shakespeare? "bah, anybody can write down words for people to say"?

Hence why people like Billy Ray Cyrus made "hit" songs. The point is that ALL genres of music have people, and/or, groups that suck (IMO country more than others).

Agreed. Generally, once a genre of music goes pop, it becomes nothing more than a money making formula, loses any originality it once may have had, and then it sucks. Pop culture and mass marketing are lethal to artistic originality.

Hell, I'll give it a shot.

My homeyz in da house
Shootin up the whiteyz
We in da house drinkin $4000 wine
Ridin $50000 ridez wit our bitchez n hoes...
Cuz I'm from da ghetto
And dat's where its at
So leave me alone n**ga
Before my gang shootz u all up
N***AZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now give it a good beat and loop it for 3 mintues straight. :headbang:

:headbang:

What do you like? Back Street Boys? Good Charlotte? Avril whats her name?

Come on, thats not what its all abouot. I mean lately, its been like that, and I am disappointed with that side of it. But, there is a very soothing poetic side to it.

So writing about their lives is garbage? Are you then implying that they and their lives are just garbage?

Listen to this (http://media.putfile.com/Propaganda-54), and tell me if this is "GARBAGE!!!!"

Yea it's Garbage. Now remove the rappers and leave the woman, you may have something. But yea, it's garbage.

The beats are the same in every modern rap song.

only on the level that the drum line is the same in essentially every rock song

i've never really understood that line. what do these people say when reading, for example, shakespeare? "bah, anybody can write down words for people to say"?
Don't you know? Anyone can be a writer...[/feelin' the pain]
Hell, I'll give it a shot.

My homeyz in da house
Shootin up the whiteyz
We in da house drinkin $4000 wine
Ridin $50000 ridez wit our bitchez n hoes...
Cuz I'm from da ghetto
And dat's where its at
So leave me alone n**ga
Before my gang shootz u all up
N***AZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now give it a good beat and loop it for 3 mintues straight. :headbang:
Rap may not suck...yours does...
Trust me, I understand it, and once I understand it, I felt myself getting stupider.
That has not been demonstrated in your posts.

Yea it's Garbage. Now remove the rappers and leave the woman, you may have something. But yea, it's garbage.

Dude, you gotta stop and actually listen. You are so obviously biased that I'm beginning to wonder at your opinion of blacks and other minorities.

You just need to find some good rap. Rap is like rock, there is some that's really good, but most of it sucks. Most of the rap you hear on the radio is the equivalent to Nickelback or something equally terrible.

Anyway, here's a few good rap songs.

Work It Out - Jurassic 5 w/Dave Matthews (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAqzj0OXZS8)

The World's Gone Bad - Handsome Boy Modeling School (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB1JMec6u0A)

Breakdown - Handsome Boy Modeling School w/Jack Johnson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgWg9krQabs) Yes, this is a remake of Jack Johnson's original song, but it isn't just a sample. They actually got Johnson to come and do it with them.

I would never consider any of that rap.. Try:

Nas (http://youtube.com/watch?v=qzR3L89YPZc)

Rakim (http://youtube.com/watch?v=C-0mr9Nzwyo)
2pac (http://youtube.com/watch?v=H5dEMo1vTBI)

Dude, you gotta stop and actually listen. You are so obviously biased that I'm beginning to wonder at your opinion of blacks and other minorities.

That's nice, real nice, I hate rap, so that must mean I'm a racist. :rolleyes:

:headbang:

What do you like? Back Street Boys? Good Charlotte? Avril whats her name?

Come on, thats not what its all abouot. I mean lately, its been like that, and I am disappointed with that side of it. But, there is a very soothing poetic side to it.

:eek: WHAT??! I HATE those people!!! :mad:

I know there's better rap out there, but my little sample is what I've been hearing since I was ten years old... :headbang:

My middle school can go to hell. :mad:

:eek: WHAT??! I HATE those people!!! :mad:

I know there's better rap out there, but my little sample is what I've been hearing since I was ten years old... :headbang:

My middle school can go to hell. :mad:

You have come off as like totally hating the whole genre. I was all like "man I hate the new stuff, because its all fake, and popish" and then you and wilgrove come in blasting all of it. And that was a kick in the face, because its not all like Little John yelling WHAT and OK all song long. There is a portrayal of good vs evil, people struggling to survive, and trying to feed their family via whatever possible.

I would never consider any of that rap.. Try:

Nas (http://youtube.com/watch?v=qzR3L89YPZc)

Rakim (http://youtube.com/watch?v=C-0mr9Nzwyo)
2pac (http://youtube.com/watch?v=H5dEMo1vTBI)

All of it's rap. Rap is a much broader genre than most people seem to realize. I'm not a huge fan of 2pac or any of the other mainstream "gangsta" rappers.

Here's another rap group I rather like, they do jazz-rap. It's rather interesting.

http://www.thesoundproviders.com/

You have come off as like totally hating the whole genre. I was all like "man I hate the new stuff, because its all fake, and popish" and then you and wilgrove come in blasting all of it. And that was a kick in the face, because its not all like Little John yelling WHAT and OK all song long. There is a portrayal of good vs evil, people struggling to survive, and trying to feed their family via whatever possible.

When have I ever said I hated the whole hip-hop Genre. I just hate the rap.

That's nice, real nice, I hate rap, so that must mean I'm a racist. :rolleyes:

I only said "beginning to wonder". I'm just going by what you have said here. Having no other frame of reference than your flippant treatment of an entire musical genre by inappropriatly blanketing it with generalizations incluidng "bitches and hoes", and "popping caps in yo ass", and so on, what else am I or others to think?

I only said "beginning to wonder". I'm just going by what you have said here. Having no other frame of reference than your flippant treatment of an entire musical genre by inappropriatly blanketing it with generizations incluidng "bitches and hoes", and "popping caps in yo ass", and so on, what else am I or others to think?

Are we forgetting that Eminem is also in this genre and he raps about the same thing?

I only said "beginning to wonder". I'm just going by what you have said here. Having no other frame of reference than your flippant treatment of an entire musical genre by inappropriatly blanketing it with generizations incluidng "bitches and hoes", and "popping caps in yo ass", and so on, what else am I or others to think?


Yeah, I have learned the hard way that making harsh generizations like that shows that one is at least a little bigoted.

You have come off as like totally hating the whole genre. I was all like "man I hate the new stuff, because its all fake, and popish" and then you and wilgrove come in blasting all of it. And that was a kick in the face, because its not all like Little John yelling WHAT and OK all song long. There is a portrayal of good vs evil, people struggling to survive, and trying to feed their family via whatever possible.

Indeed. Wilgrove, Darknovae, my post was a joke, and you can't just group all music belonging in a certain genre together and consider it all bullshit. Yeah, you have a lot of BS in there, but there is some good stuff. Really, it all depends on your tastes.

But Black Eyed Peas really suck, IMO. One of my peers was crazy about Fergie for a while. I gotta say it was fucking annoying. :p

Here's some more rap that's rather good, although it's in French.

La Vie Est Belle (Life is beautiful)- MC Solaar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZtnmqODchU)

Here's a link to the Babelfish translation of the lyrics, since I don't have the time or inclination to write out a full translation. It's a terrible translation, but it gives you an idea what he's talking about.

The life is beautiful
The life is beautiful
The life is beautiful

Only in my room one day normal
I learn in the newspapers that I am in the axis of the evil
I read between the lines and I understand that to me killer is wanted
I close the lock to be a little quieter
Outside it is the war and I believe that it comes towards me
In spite of the manifs which will live will see it
I put sand bags in my living room
Bastards want to me shooter
As with the foot the hitchkiker wants shooter the balloon
With the tele one I hear that I am worst guys
Long life with nonthe violent ones, propaganda is impec
I flippe: special troops of B52
I regret what I did, I believe that I could have better done
But the human east error, I acknowledge I have make errors
To give an opinion is to take a rain of terror
In the name of the Father of the Son and the Saint Spirit of the Imam and Rabin
Never this

Like a bird without wings
I fly towards the sky
But I know that the life is beautiful

Like a bird without wings
I fly towards the sky
But I know that the life is beautiful

Me I am a missile
I am not guilty
One guides me by satellite
To do an impeccable work
All technologies are put at my service
With an aim of driving out the evil
And that I act for a world peace
I am in a door plane and do that one asks me
This evening I must strike a type which is all alone in its room
I am a bird without wing suppository of iron
500 km to be made and then for him it is the hell
Ca is there I left I fly towards his residence
And I preserve peace by making homicides
I bore the clouds towards the X-coordinate and the ordinate
Memorized objective I know the co-ordinates
I am of iron, naked of flesh, arrives to the improvist
Fly to the top of the manifs of this million pacifist
In the name of the Father of the Son and the Saint Spirit of the Imam and Rabin
Never this

Like a bird without wing
I fly towards the sky
But I know that the life is beautiful

Like a bird without wing
I fly towards the sky
But I know that the life is beautiful

And on the chain information I learn that a missile arrives
It is however invited at home it is not my guest
One bombards my city my district my building
This evening you will die such is my resentment
Quiet I arrange my room and then I see the photographs
Of me even, my ex, holidays in Colorado
bivouacs in mountain with our back bags
Up there speeches with all these banked-up beds give
I see my father and then my mother on stereotypes far from there high
Me which found them hard I make the same one with my children
They sleep quietly, they must count sheep
Or made dreams when there was the explosion
One killed my family without very knowing it
Me, my wife and my children seem to add to the losses
Missiles kill, in the civil one, kill
Flexible children, the world is hostile
I have anything make, they did not do anything, they had not done anything
They spoke about benefits but I see only misdeeds
... it is, to burst the abscess
That if they miss, it is thanks to your excesses
I call the synagogues, the mosques and the temples
The Church vaults, militant and militant
In the name of the Father of the Son and the Saint Spirit of the Imam and Rabin
Never this

I fly towards the sky but I know that the life is beautiful
I fly towards the sky but I know that the life is beautiful

In the name of the Father of the Son and the Saint Spirit of the Imam and Rabin
Never this

Are we forgetting that Eminem is also in this genre and he raps about the same thing?


Don't get me started on Eminem. I despise his music so much. :)

Don't get me started on Eminem. I despise his music so much. :)

So, since Eminem is in the rap business, and he raps about the same thing, and I hate it anyways, then I can't be a racist, yay! :D

Are we forgetting that Eminem is also in this genre and he raps about the same thing?

But Eminem grew up in a black neighborhood, went to a black school, and hung out with black people almost exclusively all his life. To call him "white" in the cultural sense is to call Al Roker "black" in the same way. So, your point holds no water here.

So, since Eminem is in the rap business, and he raps about the same thing, and I hate it anyways, then I can't be a racist, yay! :D

What about all of the rap that's not about "bitches and bling"?

But Eminem grew up in a black neighborhood, went to a black school, and hung out with black people almost exclusively all his life. To call him "white" in the cultural sense is to call Al Roker "black" in the same way. So, your point holds no water here.

He's white, his skin is white, which makes him white. By your logic, Bill Clinton is the first black President because so many black people voted for him.

What about all of the rap that's not about "bitches and bling"?

The sampling is enough to make me want to turn it off. Although I will have to say this, Will Smith is the most bearable rapper I can listen to.

The sampling is enough to make me want to turn it off. Although I will have to say this, Will Smith is the most bearable rapper I can listen to.

Did you listen to any of the stuff I linked to earlier?

He's white, his skin is white, which makes him white. By your logic, Bill Clinton is the first black President because so many black people voted for him.

Just because my skin is a color doesnt' mean I am culturally that color. Bill was a white man, both in appearance and in culture. Eminem was raised in the "hood" and culturally more similar to the typical african american.

Just because my skin is a color doesnt' mean I am culturally that color. Bill was a white man, both in appearance and in culture. Eminem was raised in the "hood" and culturally more similar to the typical african american.

He's still white.

He's still white.

Define "white."

Just because my skin is a color doesnt' mean I am culturally that color. Bill was a white man, both in appearance and in culture. Eminem was raised in the "hood" and culturally more similar to the typical african american.

So, since I was raised around mostly Mexican-Americans, then I am a Latino?

He's still white.

Technically Hispanics are considered "white", but they are helluva different from the white you are meaning, right?

So, since I was raised around mostly Mexican-Americans, then I am a Latino?

Do you act like mexican americans? Do you accept their culture as your own? If not, then no.

He's white, his skin is white, which makes him white. By your logic, Bill Clinton is the first black President because so many black people voted for him.

Dude you are SOOO f*&$ing thick!!!! What I'm saying is that Marshall Mathers was not brought up in a white bread suburban place, and that nearly all the people he grew up around were black. That in itself puts him more in touch with what it is to be a black american than say, you. Bill Clinton has nothing to do with anything that's being discussed on this thread. Again, you generalizing in this way isn't showing well for your character.

Define "white."

Skin color, the color in which you were born. I have white skin, so there forth I am white.

Dude you are SOOO f*&$ing thick!!!! What I'm saying is that Marshall Mathers was not brought up in a white bread suburban place, and that nearly all the people he grew up around were black. That in itself puts him more in touch with what it is to be a black american than say, you. Bill Clinton has nothing to do with anything that's being discussed on this thread. Again, you generalizing in this way isn't showing well for your character.

Or maybe I just see things in a way that doesn't make someone out to be a racist just because he hates rap.

So, since I was raised around mostly Mexican-Americans, then I am a Latino?

could be - the term covers a whole host of skin tones and ancestral ethnicities.

Do you act like mexican americans? Do you accept their culture as your own? If not, then no.

I have adopted part of their culture as my own, but the same could be said of many different cultures,

Skin color, the color in which you were born. I have white skin, so there forth I am white.

And what am I?

I have dark skin. its not white, but not black. So what would I be considered?

And what am I?

I have dark skin. its not white, but not black. So what would I be considered?

Yourself?

Just a point: No one has true white or true black skin.

And what am I?

I have dark skin. its not white, but not black. So what would I be considered?

You are you. I hate rap because IMHO it's a crappy form of music, but someone else had to bring in the race card.

There is plenty of good new rap. Deltron, Dälek, Mos Def, for example.

Unfortunately, you have to dig around a little to find it. But that's the same with any genre.

Well at least now a days? I am an avid fan of older school rap, such as older Nas, Rakim, Tupac, KRSone, etc... But now a days, it just seems so....fake and stupid. I mean, it used to be so poetic and inspiring to hear about life on the streets for black men and women, but now its about "bitches and hoes" and driving cars, and partying and crap. Its so...ugh..commercialized.


Because they're a bunch of parvenu. Lots of money not earned with hard work ("money for nothing, chicks for free"). Lack of education. Glorified and idolised just because they have a lot of money.

An old, quite vulgar, saying in Milano:
"Quand la merda la monta in scann, o la spussa o la fa dann".
(When shit steps on the throne, either stinks or does damage)

There is plenty of good new rap. Deltron, Dälek, Mos Def, for example.

Unfortunately, you have to dig around a little to find it. But that's the same with any genre.

I've linked to some Del, Handsome Boy Modeling School, and Jurassic 5, but my guess is that they're so convinced that rap is terrible they won't even give it a try.

Hey, there still is decent modern rap from the US!

http://www.myspace.com/soulposition

Then there's good stuff from Oz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4u8awXZKmI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w03qdvMdj5s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s481oxAzAE8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOsj-4L_zgI

And even Germany (though "gangsta" rap has taken over there since Hamburg's rap scene disintegrated with the end of Eimsbusch records, so these are all a few years old now):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIrrURh8urk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfS03O2d7Js
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9T0sGBOn_0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gzYWIEc0Zw

EDIT: Oh, and I almost forgot the anthem. :p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WggYOlM4htY

I've linked to some Del, Handsome Boy Modeling School, and Jurassic 5, but my guess is that they're so convinced that rap is terrible they won't even give it a try.

Yeah, I just saw. :)

It never ceases to me how people search for all manner of ridiculous and baseless excuses as to why rap is worse than their genre(s) of choice. Why people are locked into such a mindset is beyond me. It's all music...there is good and bad in every style. For every Nelly, there's a Good Charlotte. I don't see any of the people who claim that rap is talentless recording rap masterpieces to prove their point.

At the end of the day, it's their loss, though, hey?

At the end of the day, it's their loss, though, hey?

Yep, sad as it is.

Rap is not music. It´s repeative and boring.

It´s nothing more than sets of rhythm with african-americans talking and complaining about everything. :mad:

Rap is not music. It´s repeative and boring.

It´s nothing more than sets of rhythm with african-americans talking and complaining about everything. :mad:

:rolleyes:

Doesn't rap have a silent 'C'?

Doesn't rap have a silent 'C'?

The same could be said about modern (popular) rock.

The same could be said about modern (popular) rock.

I think you'll appreciate this.

http://www.thewebshite.net/nickelback.htm

Doesn't rap have a silent 'C'?

The same could be said about modern (popular) rock.

LMAO. The truth can be so funny.

LMAO. The truth can be so funny.

yeah.

and listening to stations like KISS FM doesnt really help the situation any.

________

"Hey, where have I heard this song before?"

"... Oh, yeah, 10 minutes ago."

Doesn't rap have a silent 'C'?

isnt Chingie a rap/r&b/whatever artist?

I think you'll appreciate this.

http://www.thewebshite.net/nickelback.htm

Lol, I wonder what would happen if you tried that with several different bands - I'd imagine (if you picked two similar songs) the effect would be similar.

Yeah, I just saw. :)

It never ceases to me how people search for all manner of ridiculous and baseless excuses as to why rap is worse than their genre(s) of choice. Why people are locked into such a mindset is beyond me. It's all music...there is good and bad in every style. For every Nelly, there's a Good Charlotte. I don't see any of the people who claim that rap is talentless recording rap masterpieces to prove their point.

At the end of the day, it's their loss, though, hey?

You win the thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK0t-U_yOCY

Dylan Moran's reasons as to why rap isn't really the best thing ever, and his main points are some of the reasons why I don't really like rap all that much either.

Is only a minute long, though there are some swear words in there. Drunk Irish comedians are nice...

Lol, I wonder what would happen if you tried that with several different bands - I'd imagine (if you picked two similar songs) the effect would be similar.

i would want to see rap artists tried first, though

I think you'll appreciate this.

http://www.thewebshite.net/nickelback.htm

Hehe. I saw that the other day. :)

You win the thread.

Cool. :D

Y'all need to quit playa hatin'

I don't think much of the genre of rap, but I think it's only fair to mention Cypress Hill. They have a streak of originality and talent in an genre of commecialism and fast money. Their first few albums were very popular, but unfortunately on future albums, they made the mistake of experimenting and growing when the rap fanbase appreciates neither. *sigh*

Rap really does suck, especially right now, but its not alone.
All newer music sucks.

The radio is a vapid wasteland of re-hashed bubble-gum shit, with few or virtually no real talent on display.

See, every few years the scene gets stale, and something new comes along and gets latched onto until it too, is sucked dry.

Currently, we are experiencing such a slump in popular music.

A good example of what Im talking about would be Nirvana.
They had the right songs at the right time, during a phase when Hair-Metal had become tired, and BAM, enter Grunge.

Right now we are awaiting the next "Nirvana", if you will.

Rap is not music. It´s repeative and boring.

It´s nothing more than sets of rhythm with african-americans talking and complaining about everything. :mad:
You have not heard MC Solaar, or similar French rappers, or heck Fettes Brot. I think English-speakers should not allowed to rap because it sounds horrible :P

A good example of what Im talking about would be Nirvana.
They had the right songs at the right time, during a phase when Hair-Metal had become tired, and BAM, enter Grunge.

Right now we are awaiting the next "Nirvana", if you will.

That's what i'm thinking, too.

Listen to these albums then:
http://www.jamendo.com/de/album/2970/
http://www.jamendo.com/de/album/1194/

Exactly. Rap is the lowest form of music, why, because any idiot can talk fast to 8 seconds worth of music that is being looped.

post a link to you rapping then whitey ford. 16 bars, GIVE A LINK.

Yea, but what you are forgetting, the people who listen to this crap also thinks Carson Daily was cool, and who lap this stuff up like deer lapping up anti-freeze.

you're an out of touch ass. Carson Daily is emblimatic of POP MUSIC, not rap at all.

Well at least now a days? I am an avid fan of older school rap, such as older Nas, Rakim, Tupac, KRSone, etc... But now a days, it just seems so....fake and stupid. I mean, it used to be so poetic and inspiring to hear about life on the streets for black men and women, but now its about "bitches and hoes" and driving cars, and partying and crap. Its so...ugh..commercialized.

Comments?

Oh and who is your fav. rap/hip hop artist, new or old?

I mostly like the east coast rappers, especially from the QB, such as Nas, and his group The Bravehearts.

Public Enemy :D

Overall, rap nowdays has become diluted for a mass audience.....just like most other music genres. I hate commercialization so much :mad:

Rap really does suck, especially right now, but its not alone.
All newer music sucks.

The radio is a vapid wasteland of re-hashed bubble-gum shit, with few or virtually no real talent on display.

See, every few years the scene gets stale, and something new comes along and gets latched onto until it too, is sucked dry.

Currently, we are experiencing such a slump in popular music.

A good example of what Im talking about would be Nirvana.
They had the right songs at the right time, during a phase when Hair-Metal had become tired, and BAM, enter Grunge.

Right now we are awaiting the next "Nirvana", if you will.

What we need is a new genre or a reinvigoration and perfection of an older, more obscure genre of music....or the ability to clone Kurt Cobain/Jimi Hendrix/Bob Dylan and create a new generation of "super-musicians" :p

What we need is a new genre or a reinvigoration and perfection of an older, more obscure genre of music....or the ability to clone Kurt Cobain/Jimi Hendrix/Bob Dylan and create a new generation of "super-musicians" :p

ewwww, why them? Jimmi Hendrix... *runs to bathroom*

IMHO, music will become more and more colorful: There will be more and more different genres without the previous disappearing...

Remember kids, you can't spell Crap without Rap.

I tend to prefer music with lyrics that make sense and mean something.

Remember kids, you can't spell Crap without Rap.

I tend to prefer music with lyrics that make sense and mean something.

hmmm, I can not see the sense and meaning in "Oops, I did it again" but those of "L'argent ne fait pas le bonheur" makes sense to me... and Futuristic Sex Robots in those raps, which are not about sex really expressing my lifestyle (even though I MUD instead of WoWing) and tell the truth. "So they put the DRM on the audio CDs that won't make it any harder to steal the MP3s".

Edit: I won't link you since they massively violate forum rules. But if you TG me and promise not to sue, I will.

http://thesis.mekerr.com/now%20start%20a%20band%20tee.jpg

:)

A good thing to remember.

:)

A good thing to remember.

not really... for most songs I wrote using accoustic guitars, it sounded better to play then in G-sharp istead of A-sharp because the D can not be played well on a guitar.

I actually like some of the older rap music, though I can't stand shit like 50 cent. I actually enjoy listening to some stuff. Though it has been a bit of a problem for me because I'm a teenager with parents who won't let me listen to any rap music. They can't be around all the time though!

not really... for most songs I wrote using accoustic guitars, it sounded better to play then in G-sharp istead of A-sharp because the D can not be played well on a guitar.

I think the point may have escaped you, just a little bit.

The origional was printed in a Punk 'zine (contrary to popular beleif, it was not Sniffin' Glue) as a point to young musicians. It is as irreverant as it seems. Here's a chord, Here's another, Here's a Third, now go form a band. Don't worry about sounding good or making sense. Don't worry about complexity. Make noise, because it isn't just for make-up laden rock stars.

I tend to prefer music with lyrics that make sense and mean something.

Yo, it's one universal law but two sides to every story
Three strikes and you be in for life, mandatory
Four MC's murdered in the last four years
I ain't tryin to be the fifth one, the millenium is here
Yo it's 6 Million Ways to Die, from the seven deadly thrills
Eight-year olds gettin found with 9 mill's
It's 10 P.M., where your seeds at? What's the deal
He on the hill puffin krill to keep they belly filled
Light in the ass with heavy steel, sights on the pretty shit in life
Young soldiers tryin to earn they next stripe
When the average minimum wage is $5.15
You best believe you gotta find a new ground to get cream
The white unemployment rate, is nearly more than triple for black
so frontliners got they gun in your back
Bubblin crack, jewel theft and robbery to combat poverty
and end up in the global jail economy
Stiffer stipulations attached to each sentence
Budget cutbacks but increased police presence
And even if you get out of prison still livin
join the other five million under state supervision
This is business, no faces just lines and statistics
from your phone, your zip code, to S-S-I digits
The system break man child and women into figures
Two columns for who is, and who ain't niggaz
Numbers is hardly real and they never have feelings
but you push too hard, even numbers got limits
Why did one straw break the camel's back? Here's the secret:
the million other straws underneath it - it's all mathematics

Remember kids, you can't spell Crap without Rap.

I tend to prefer music with lyrics that make sense and mean something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB1JMec6u0A

IMO, rap is like every other kind of music out there. There's plenty of it that I like and plenty of it that I think is absolute crap, and it's silly to dismiss the entire genre just because you don't like the little bit of it that's played on the radio.

I think you answered your own question, the lyrics have gotten rather crappy as of late. Of course there are other things about it that put me off, such as the lack of harmony, counterpoint, or thematic development, but that's just me.

I think you answered your own question, the lyrics have gotten rather crappy as of late. Of course there are other things about it that put me off, such as the lack of harmony, counterpoint, or thematic development, but that's just me.

I think you misunderstood it... it was to a point about 'why is there not really much rap with intelligent lyrics anymore?'

Oh and KSB: it was my kind of humour because I wrote many 3 or 4 chord songs.

This thread made me lol.

ewwww, why them? Jimmi Hendrix... *runs to bathroom*



Whats wrong with Jimi Hendrix?

I've always liked reading non-musicians try to explain their personal preference in some sort of rational terms. "I never liked samplling, its stealing!" lol

I've always liked reading non-musicians try to explain their personal preference in some sort of rational terms. "I never liked samplling, its stealing!" lol

Yeah. Especially since every artist does it in one form or another, no matter what style.

not really... for most songs I wrote using accoustic guitars, it sounded better to play then in G-sharp istead of A-sharp because the D can not be played well on a guitar.

Why not?

I would never consider any of that rap.. Try:

Nas (http://youtube.com/watch?v=qzR3L89YPZc)

Rakim (http://youtube.com/watch?v=C-0mr9Nzwyo)
2pac (http://youtube.com/watch?v=H5dEMo1vTBI)

My Philosophy (http://youtube.com/watch?v=549MxbycBDU) KRS-One... best MC ever.

Microphone Fiend (http://youtube.com/watch?v=RIbTRzL5qX8) Eric B. and Rakim just rocked. Rakim was the only other that could even get with KRS-One.
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Some other mentions.
Manifest (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OVifwPFEtQ) Gang Starr
Looking at the front door (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsRo7lUn5IU) Main Source
Straighten It Out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6DeZXFNZTQ) Pete Rock and CL Smooth
Award Tour* (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXtwaRG5edY) I Left My Wallet In El Segundo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3SaSLMuIGM) Bonita Applebum (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GukOWHjCV9U) Tribe Called Quest (can't find any De La Sol on You Tube :() .. * and I see some others feel the same about NWA being the beginning of all the crap we have nowadays.
I used to love h.e.r. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sPodswonEo) Common Sense (he's talking about hip hop, not a girl. He saw the declining)
Passin me by (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAp9cyv47Yc) Pharcyde
Rebirth of Slick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm-zLOvWfi4) Where I'm from (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDQLZFacKXU) Digable Planets
Fu Gee La (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T3yvi7Ib2k) Ready or Not (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrcrwxuRZ9M) Fugees
Tennessee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_GpKjH6OTo) Arrested Development (southern hip hop .. not 'dirty south' rap)

Their own catagory
Black Steel in the Hour of Chaos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6zvEj0jpU4) Rebel Without A Pause (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ddzDZP3Cs) Terrordome* (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxQ2C2-uens) Public Enemy (*no lyrics on this vid.. Chuck D made a statement about jews in a verse .. so the jew big wigs at record co. made them make the vid instrumental - still one of their best and deserves a mention)

Some Classics (the live versions don't have very good sound quality... but thats all I can get on them, since there were no videos for these songs)
Run's House (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U04xOFuUoQ) Run DMC
Vapors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvlCIkLFzuI) Biz Markie
The Bridge Is Over (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsvDv-HFQvI) Self Destruction (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85OZ-Y31YKw) Love Is Gonna Get You (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3LWZSpeHPU) 13 and Good (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBaem90oVSw) BDP Boogie Down Productions - KRS One
Paper Thin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsfKTMGZuGA) Cappuchino (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol434ZjolJw) MC Lyte (best female MC)
Mr. Big Stuff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyiqQZm7QDI) Heavy D
Hold it Now (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7_o-n9QeZo) Beastie Boys
Push It (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJq8klkiKCY) Salt n Pepa
Strictly Business (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO-T9R2SDKc) EPMD
The Symphony (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZen35AKcXM) Juice Crew
Childrens Story (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ2NQzt1_NE) Slick Rick
The Show (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STeY2fzRhEY) Doug E Fresh and Slick Rick (no video)
Rock the Bells (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRqkXEj0SjA) LL Cool J (no video)
Peter Piper (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uXGXm1vCGI) Run DMC (no video)
Very Old -
The Breaks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvZapN-E78M) Kurtis Blow (no video)
Problems of the world today (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN84WHrYEGM) Fearless 4
The Message (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6e9G-ump3Y) Grand Master Flash


And ofcourse the ones that got the ball rollin on the gangsta - hardcore crap ..... Straight Outta Compton (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKWaww0RK8A) NWA [UnCut - Explicit Lyrics]


I have a lot of the albums listed here. They are put away tho. Am almost ashamed to say I also have alot of hardcore too, I didn't see then what I see now on how it infested the music. I think I'll go burn them. 2 Pac included. He got caught up in that 'gangsta' shit.. didn't start out that way tho.

Rap doesn't suck. There's plenty of good, current rap out there: Lady Sovereign, MF Doom, Rev Run, Nas, and The Maverick.

Not to mention all the old-school rap.

Rap has always sucked. Why, because all it really is is talking really fast to music that is really only 8 seconds long. However that 8 second piece of music is played in a loop, and it just makes you want to take a hammer to your head.

Thats not always a bad thing.

Just like all kinds of music, some rap is good and some rap is bad. Some people are going to like certain songs and other people are going to like other songs. All current rap is not bad, although I don't listen to it much, I know many people that do, and some of it's pretty cool.

Something I just thought of. From what I can remember .. I don't think the killem up, bitch/hoe 40 oz crap came about until the west coast rappers came on the scene. ... like NWA .. Comptons Most Wanted .. then other areas of the US started coming out with similar 'hardcore' stuff.. like the Geto Boys (from Texas iirc), from there it has spread throughout the south and most of the 'dirty south' rap is full of drug selling, money, bitches n hoes and killing. A lot different from the old school east coast hip hop of BDP, PE, Rakim, Run DMC etc. Yeah they wore the big fat chains.. but rarely talked about it lol. And I can't remember any of the old school (mid to late 80's) hip hop ever glorifying killing, drugs or slapping a bitch up. They mostly had fueds over who was the best MC and took it to the paper. But times have changed.

Rap is subject to the same 99/1 rule as every other genre. 99% is horrible, while 1% is good.